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[edit] Question

Did anyone else notice that 3 times Halloween Funjob and A Jorb Well Done are on the same channel? They're the only two. ShadowIce 18:33 13 Sep 2005 (MST)

No, they're not the only two. All Puppet Jams are on the same "channel." As are Where's The Cheat and Cheat Commandos and The Cheat Theme Song. --Jay (Talk) 21:36, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Status report

YES! All the big toons are done now! It's lookin' more like a Hrwiki every day, huh!?! -- AgentSeethroo 13:49, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Great job! -- Tom 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

New question...Do we further break down categories? Like toons/big toons and toons/shorts, toons/powered by the cheat etc, etc, etc? Is this possible, or should they all be lumped together under the blanket "Toons" category? -- AgentSeethroo 21:19, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, I suppose we could. Have everything in the "Toons" category, and then the ones in the puppet listing could go in the puppets category, and the ones in the powered by The Cheat category could go in that category, and so forth. -- Tom 09:00, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)
what would the code for that look like? -- AgentSeethroo 12:21, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)
You'd just add it to more than one category. Like [[Category:Toons]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]] and so forth. The pages would then show up in both categories. -- Tom 14:14, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)

[edit] Experimental Film

Should Experimental Film go under PbtC as well, or does it violate Once And Only Once? I think it should go under the Powered by the Cheat category (btw, how do you link to a category page), but what about the list on this page? -- InterruptorJones 08:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

I don't think having something in more that one category would violate Once And Only Once. But is it categorized like that on the Toons menu on h* And I think when ever you link to a category page ([[Category:Toons]]), that page you linked to it from is put into that category. -- Tom 09:15, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

this and all others are for some reason, long. even the 56 second ones

[edit] Static Fun Fact

Uh... I see no profile shot of a man in the "static" easter egg. Anyone want to direct me towards it or upload a picture? -- FireBird|Talk 01:28, 18 Nov 2004 )UTC)

I don't see it either. Methinks someone was cloud watching and this is an image known only to them. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but perhaps it doesn't belong in the easter eggs. :) --Southpaw018 18:41, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

[edit] Questions

This is like, the dumbest question ever. How do the bros chaps make the toons? -- 23:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[1] --Shadow Hog 16:20, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)
using flash.-Anonomys 00:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Cat idea

Should we make a maintainence category for toons that have a lot of fun facts that aren't split up? →evin290 19:01, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

Great idea! I'm in. -- 18:51, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] No Picture?

Just a quick question, why is there no picture for the Toons page anymore? Does it have to do with modem users? --Homsar999ß 17:33, 1 May 2005 (CDT)

maybe it should have one of those little background pictures.

[edit] The Joy of Painting

Dear HrWiki, While examining the toons menu, i looked at the small DVD's in the left-hand corner of the page. Now, I dunno if you have already recognised this, but it seems that if you roll your mouse over the "Joy of Painting" DVD all the way to the right, you can see Marzipan silently painting. It goes on for hours. There's really not much you can do.


Taylor F. Pennsylvania

  • Yeah, that's already noted over har. Kvb 18:57, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I tried to mention that as an easter egg on the page, but a fascist removed it. I also tried to mention that the TV Guide (actually TV Talk) cover is clickable and changes each time you click it. BTW, that silently painting man is Bob Ross who hosted a show on PBS called The Joy of Painting. -- 02:01, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
As Kvb said, that information is on Toons Menu. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 02:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
  • No NO,

there more like VHS tapes



WHAT THEY SAID YOU DIRTY LIAR! --Ookelaylay 23:10, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Channel IDs

Does anybody really taken any real notice of the black and white ratings boxes that appear before the titles of the toons? You know, DMP A Folky Tale, and BUG Bug in Mouth Disease? An anonny started a new section for the ratings, but I think it would be better to put the three letter rating before the titles of the toons on this page. For example:

  • (DMP) A Folky Tale – Strong Sad tries to get out of gym class. 4:10 long, 2005
  • (KUL) Cool Things – Homestar writes on the wall. Bubs is closed. 4:00 long, 2005

Does anybody like it? —BazookaJoe 00:32, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

That's fine, except that they're not ratings. They're the little ovals used in things like TV Guide to identify the channel.It's dot com 00:58, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

Shouldn't the screenshots here be taken from the Teebee's small video clip of the toon? - Joshua 15:48, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

You know, you almost quadrupled the scrolling distance with your screenshots. Is it really worth it? - Joshua 16:13, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I reduced the size of the images. If someone wants to enlarge one, can't they just click on it? — It's dot com 17:06, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
That looks better Dot com!--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 17:07, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TGS 8 1/2

Why is Issue 8 1/2 is listed under the toons menu, when it is only accesible through HSR Pay Plus.---RatherAnnoying 20:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Toons/Shorts?

Does anyone else find it odd that some of the shorts are longer than some of the "big toons?" -The Coachsmith

I reffer you to this discussion. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 15:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yahoo or Yo?

The "YHO" for The System is Down formerly claimed to be based on Yahoo!, since I mistakenly thought there was a link to Yahoo! or a mention of Search pages on the IE error page. Okay, so that one's wrong. It got changed to, "The System is Down, y[h]o", but that would make this the only one to add unnecessary letters instead of shortening or changing. I'm not sure that the new one is any better than the last. Thoughts? --Jay (Talk) 19:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

If you look at The System is Down page, there's a fun fact about this toon appearing while H*R was still on Yahoo, or something like that. I think the YHO as Yahoo makes sense. --DorianGray
Maybe that was my logic. I am a scatterbrain, after all... What was I talking about? :) --Jay (Talk) 20:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Longest cartoon

what was the longest cartoon, so far?

Nikolce Kocovski 06:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

You may see a pattern here, but I'm going to suggest you make a little personal study; you could examine all the lengths to see. (But perhaps it isn't worth that.) —AbdiViklas 06:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Second or Last?

I think preview looks going being in the first column. There's your pic of the toon, and you can preview it too, before watching it. Then there's the article right after. But its' up to you guys. The back could maybe work too, I guess. You can finish up here too, if you want. I gotta head out and do stuff. Thunderbird 00:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it looks better at the end (and that's where external links usually go). That way, there's not two links next to each other, and the picture and the article title are right next to each other, instead of having a link between them. — It's dot com 00:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
External links are usually put at the end - I prefer it in the last column. - Joshua

[edit] Intro Screenshots

I think it would be cool if we used this program to make animated screenshots from the actual previews of the flash files into animated gifs.EdSmilde

Interesting idea, but it would be a lot of work, would take away from actually watching the real SWF file, and likely falls into the grey area of Copyright issues that have become a hot topic as of late. --Stux 05:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh! I get what it does now. Unfortunately you have to pay for it. :( At least it would be as much work, but again i'm kinda iffy about it. --Stux 22:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
It does have a 30-day free trial though, but I understandEdSmilde

[edit] NPOV

The first thing that came to my mind when I read the Intro to this article was "NPOV!!!" (i.e. "The Toons are glorious and magnificent..."). It's funny how much Wikipedia has taken over our minds. Terlet Brush 20:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

LOL; yup, if ever there was an evil repressive regime of mind-control and obfuscation it's Wikipedia. But seriously, good point about the NPOV; I sorta fixed it. —AbdiViklas 21:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] newest toon menu preview

I have been unable to come up with the URL for the preview swf. Can someone dig that up? I R F 15:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rock, Rock On!

If TBC makes another Cheat Commandos toon, it had better get its own section on the remote. I think PBTC should be in shorts, it's so random anyhow. Cheat Commandos deserves its own section, since A)It has recurring characters, and B)There's already 4 of them. Thoughts? Saladman 13:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats not a bad idea. But they most likely won't.--H*bad 14:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Let Us Give TANKS!" in Holiday table

"Let Us Give TANKS!" hasn't been added to the Holiday Toons table yet. I don't want to do it myself because I don't have a Flash decompiler, and I don't know what the URL to the preview clip is. -- Sentroyd

[edit] Rearrange

TBC need to rearrange their toons. Perhaps any toon under three minutes should be considered a short and three minutes and up a big toon.

[edit] Move to Big Toons

  • No Hands On Deck
  • Commandos In the Classroom
  • TrogdorCon '97
  • Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer
  • Experimental Film
  • Lookin' At A Thing In A Bag

[edit] Move to Shorts

  • Parsnips A-Plenty
  • The Reddest Radish
  • The King of Town DVD
This isn't how "shorts" work. "Shorts" are more of a "slice of life" toon, regardless of length, while the "big toons" more tell a story. --DorianGray
Besides, we are in no position to tell TBC how to do their business. We document what they do. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Stuff?

Anyone notice a new vhs tape in the corner? It says "NEW STUFF" and currently has TGS12 and the last 3 SBEmails. Dr. Clash 10:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right — Way to notice this! So, I guess this info needs to be incorporated into this page (and the image needs to be updated), and TV Time Toons Menu also needs an update... Trey56 10:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

How could we make the new 2007 toons page on that secret VHS tape easter egg? I mean, it has a TGS, plus 3 extra SBemails. -Viklas 17:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Stuff News

Hmm... I propose moving the "New Stuff" table to the New Stuff page. Otherwise this page will soon become even longer than it already is, and some things will likely be listed twice. Thoughts? --DorianGray

We should take one of two approaches, depending on TBC's plans for the New Stuff. If the New Stuff grows to the point that it becomes a huge long list, then the whole thing should move to its own page. If, on the other hand, TBC keep the list relatively short (older stuff disappears after a while), then we should keep whatever is actually on the New Stuff menu on the Toons page, and archive the rest on the New Stuff page. — It's dot com 16:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I could go with that. I think they probably will keep it somewhat short... Coz, after all, stuff does cease to be "new" after a while, yes? --DorianGray
If they do keep the list short (which they probably will) it'd probably be worth mirroring the "Preview" clips, like we do with the QotW et al. I doubt they'll stick around... --phlip TC 13:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I've already got the files in case they need to be mirrored. — It's dot com 17:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Has enough time passed to revisit this quesion? Do we believe that TBC will start removing items from the New Stuff menu anytime soon? — It's dot com 22:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that enough time has passed — it seems clear to me that TBC are not planning to remove new items from the list anytime soon (though they may at some point in the future). As a result, I think that it seems unnecessary to have the exact same table information on these "new" toons reproduced verbatim, especially on the same page.
However, I'm not even sure we need to compile these toons at New Stuff — can we just add an indicator next to the items on this page? (e.g., an asterisk * linked to a footnote, or something like that) Trey56 23:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
* This toon is also in the New Stuff menu
Well, I think we have to maintain a complete list somewhere, as Strong Bad Emails and Marzipan's Answering Machines aren't listed elsewhere (at least not in the same form as on the toon menu). — It's dot com 00:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
True, I had forgotten that SBEs and MAMs aren't listed elsewhere — in that case, I support moving that table to New Stuff. It's kind of a sparse page anyway. Trey56 00:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I think TBC will remove the current New Stuff in January next year. Also, besides just mirroring the previews, could someone save the files of the actual toons menu so they could read the page titles of the SBEs, MAMs, and TGSs? Homestar-Winner (talk) 01:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Move to New Stuff. Bad Bad Guy 02:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New screenshots?

Shouldn't all the screenshots match the previews on the TV Time Toons Menu? --Trogga 19:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

That seems excessive... --DorianGray 19:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Why? --Trogga 19:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
We don't need to copy everything the Chaps do. We c'n do our own thing. And it's not like the previews are hard to see (or very interesting). --DorianGray 19:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
But aren't they official? --Trogga 19:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The official what? I don't think there's any reason to always use the same screenshot. Sometimes they're the same; sometimes they're not, and I daresay that, every now and then, our screenshot is more interesting. — It's dot com 23:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's just that everything else on the page—names, descriptions, running times etc.—match the menu. --Trogga 23:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Column Widths

I don't know if this has been brought up but I wanted to bring it up soon. As in the Fonts page, I believe that this page would look better if all the columns had the same width throughout. However, with the advent of tables, things get a little complicated. Case in point: our "standard" way of fixing table widths no longer works when applied to sorted tables. Is there a way to force separate tables to have the same column widths without having to hard code those values? (Alternatively, we could hard code all but one column value.) --Stux 19:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Boots

the new boots one doesn't really have a preview. TheThin 20:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, yeah it does. What's this, then? Hip Hop Dance is part of New Boots. --DorianGray 20:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Checklist

Much like Strong Bad Email, this toons page should have a checklist in order to avoid problems [2] (unless there is one already). --Stux 18:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Seven years later, I made one. Is anything missing? Anything there that shouldn't be? Is everything a da dee da deedly da? DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 10:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Hooray! I went looking for this when it came time to make the page for the new toon and couldn't find it because it didn't exist. I made some fix-ups to the list. Of note is that we have a bot that updates rando.xml. The reason we haven't updated our local page is because they haven't updated theirs. I think we're pretty much ready to move the list here. — It's dot com 17:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Went ahead and added it to the top o' the page, with your edits included. Thanks! DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 06:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
How 'bout we wait until we know that Fish Eye Lens isn't just a one-off. RickTommy (edits) 07:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Your comment only makes sense if we were still deciding whether it would be worth it to do the work, but the work is already done; the checklist is in place. Reverting it now would serve no purpose. Even if it wasn't in place, the chances of there never being another toon were quite low even before Matt expressed a desire to revive the site, and there have been strong hints that there might be something as soon as a Halloween toon at the the end of this month. It's better to have the checklist just in case so that nobody's in the boat I was in above. — It's dot com 17:15, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] TGS Issue 10 1/2

This is supposed to be the death metal TGS Easter Egg. It is part of another toon and doesn't have a seperate Flash File, so why is it there? -Quite A Dish Gang Member

[edit] Limo Live and Rotten Eggs

Where do we list Limozeen Live! and Rotten Eggs? I'm at a loss. The answer to this question can also extend to All Toons, Fonts By Toon, and Special:Subtitleslist ... and maybe others. OptimisticFool 18:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most recent toons

I've noticed that the most recent toons thing at the very bottom does not have rotten eggs as the newest holiday toon and also doesn't have the homestar runner gets something stuck in his craw as the newest short. How can I change that???--Luckystar27 20:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Play Date

I've checked it a few times now, and Play Date is not listed in the Shorts section on the official site. It's called a Short on the main page, so I'm guessing this is an oversight, but I thought I'd point it out here anyway, since we've already listed it in the Shorts section on this page. — It's dot com 02:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Somewhat discussed here as well. OptimisticFool 03:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Make-up work.

In just the first half of the year alone, there have been more Big Toons since 2006. At this rate, there going for a record high. Is this notable? And is this make-up for no Toons in '07? --Jellote 19:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

While it's not notable, I'm sure that this has more to do with the ending of both SBCG4AP and Strong Bad emails. Most of the later SBEmails would clock in around 4~5 minutes, which is the typical length of Toons. I think it also has to do with now TBC are more comfortable working with longer pieces. wbwolf (t | ed) 19:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Did I mention speculation makes my head hurt? free 19:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Where my link is at?

Is there some way we can make, using the formatting template, Where My Hat Is At? (short) point to the correct article without having to append the little "(short)" at the end, since we're trying to replicate how it appears in the TV Toons Menu? wbwolf (t | ed) 19:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Just type the link in the box, but add a pipe at the end, like this: [[Where My Hat Is At? (short)|]] The system will automatically generate a piped link as a result. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 20:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. You meant the template on the page. You just had to use the {{!}} template and format it like this: Where My Hat Is At? (short){{!}}Where My Hat Is At? MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 20:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Updating

do you guys think that maybe we should put a new picture of the toons menu, since they put up Xeriously Forxe and the new main page, or is it not worth it? SteakStyles 14:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's worth updating the image ever at all unless something significantly changes about the menu (e.g. the addition of the New Stuff option). --DorianGray 22:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, we never ever change the menu just becuause a new toon came out. That would be pointless and annoying to do. Rondleman! Stuff I did.Talk. 20:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Older menu descriptions

An anonny recently added information about the older menu descriptions, though the formatting was poor and confusing. The full diff can be viewed here. My suggestion would be a separate column or line in the same column. Either way, it'll be a lot of work to do, so i'm posting the diff and talk post here so that it doesn't completely disappear into oblivion. — Defender1031*Talk 18:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the biggest reason I removed it was because I didn't remember that there ever were any older descriptions and didn't know where anonny got them (still don't). But, yeah, that formatting had to go. Maybe italicize the old descriptions (in full! Not inline!) or put them in a separate column or something, but not a weird (parentheses) [brackets] word/word format. --Jay (Talk) 18:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
The old descriptions come from a previous version of the toons menu. They should be put back right away. This is a wiki. We don't remove good-faith additions just because they're poorly formatted. We fix them or live with it until someone comes along who will. — It's dot com 19:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Dot com on this matter: if it's legitimate H*R information, then it should not be deleted merely because it's poorly formatted. The cleanup tag should be sufficient for now. We just have to make sure we cover all new edits when fixing the formatting or coming up with a new one. --Stux 21:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
If I may, why not create an "Old TV Time Toons Menu" article, move all the relevant info about the old version off "TV Time Toons Menu", add the available toons with the older descriptions to "Old TV Time Toons Menu article", and call it a day? The Toons article should keep it's focus on all known current toons with current descriptions. — Ngamer01 22:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I dunno about that. It probably wouldn't have occurred to me that there were minor (yet interesting) differences between the two versions if someone hadn't put them side-by-side. — It's dot com 00:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Also agree that authentic H*R information needs to be included and, if the format is poor, fixed, not reverted. Heimstern Läufer 00:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
My apologies for not realizing it was authentic. --Jay (Talk) 02:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
It looks like my idea for organizing the information would involve adding a parameter to the {{toonmenu}} template. I'm actively writing something up in the sandbox to see what it might look like, but I don't think I know how to write all the necessary additions into the template. The Knights Who Say Ni 17:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Sandbox edit. If the suggested change illustrated in the very beginning isn't made properly, the old descriptions will remain invisible. (And it doesn't have to be oldd; if anyone has a better idea for a parameter name to put there, that'd be just fine) The Knights Who Say Ni 18:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I tried to write this yesterday but apparently got EC'd and didn't notice. Normally I'd agree with "should be fixed, not revert" and "if you aren't going to fix it, leave it until someone else does" except in this case, it wasn't just that the new data was badly formatted. It's that the new, badly formatted data was intertwined with existing, properly formatted data, and done in such a way that it destroyed the legibility of the existing data and that to properly format it would take a lot of time. This is also a very commonly-used page, being basically our index of the entire site, and I didn't think it was appropriate to leave it in such a state. I never had any intention of not including the new data, I just didn't think the existing information should suffer in the meantime. — Defender1031*Talk 17:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Things like this tend to fall by the wayside and be forgotten. Keeping it on the page keeps the urgency of actually doing something about it. At the very least, the data is preserved in the mainspace (where it should be, as opposed to a talk page). We're not so important that we can't have a page that's a little rough around the edges until this gets done. — It's dot com 00:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Different idea. This one doesn't involve adding a parameter to a template. The Knights Who Say Ni 19:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Even with that format (which i do think is nicer than its own column) i still think it makes sense as an extra paramater for the template, since it's a uniform formatting and if we ever decide to change it, it'd be easier to just change the template. — Defender1031*Talk 20:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I made the changes and created one example edit on the page here for reference. I'll continue to convert the page tomorrow if no one beats me to it. But for now, i have to go to sleep. — Defender1031*Talk 21:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

[edit] An idea

For some toons and emails (but not all of them), if there are enough images of the toon, we could add a gallery section to the toon's page. Like the Transcript or Inside References. For example, for sbemail206:

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:43, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

That's a nort idea, Strong Bad! But really, that's not a bad idea. Though, how would we filter which toons to have galleries and which to exclude? We certainly don't want to take up too much server space on useless images, really. The HRWiki is slow as it is. - Catjaz63 01:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, obviously, toons with few-to-no scene changes wouldn't really need a gallery, but I'm not sure what other criteria we would want to look for... --Neumannz 14:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe cartoons and emails that already have images on other pages? For example, the first one is on Template:whatsnew, the second one is on the Lappier wiki page, the thirs one is on Index Page and The Homestar Runner pages... the other ones are on Dangeresque 4 (and Reptiles for the turtle image)... -- Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 20:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, we should be able to consolidate images to their respective toons' articles. If there are too many, could we make gallery pages? Either as a subpage, or as a separate namespace? --Neumannz 20:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
So, whattaya think? Should we do it? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Some kinda function?

Can anyone tech-savvier than I make an autocounter thing that counts toons of each type and the total? --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 01:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] PBTC

The PBTC section needs to be updated. Wolf O'Donnel 01:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

What about it needs to be updated? All of the toons under the PBTC button on the toons page are listed in that section. The Knights Who Say Ni 02:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not entirely certain. I think either we should include new toons like Trogdor Was Dragon Man on the list, or we don't include it because it's not officially linked from the toons menu. One or the other. As much as I prefer the old Flash site to any third-party Google-trackin' websites, the old Toons menu frequently goes un-updated in favor of the new social media platforms. -- 03:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Old and New Descriptions

With the site update, every description has been changed. The {{toonmenu}} template has a parameter for old descriptions, but I feel like this could create clutter when applied to every toon, especially for those with previously changed descriptions. I think the best course of action would to create a new column entirely. "Current Description" and "Flash Description" or something. How does that sound? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea but I wonder how it will look in practice? The problem with a new description column is that it would have to be wide and it might either make the table too wide (even for wide screen) or it might squish the other columns. There is room on my screen but it will be cutting it close. The current old description method doesn't look too terrible but you're right it might become too cluttered once everything is filled in. Two other options might include: a. divide each cell into two rows (it might still look cluttered) or perhaps have two separate tables for old and new descriptions, similar to what we've had to do with the PBTC section. I'm not really sure what the best option would be to be honest. --Stux 07:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the second idea; listing each toon twice seems kind of redundant when the two tables could easily be combined for more efficient use of space. I do like your first idea, though. I tried both of our ideas in the Sandbox, and I don't think either one looks too cluttered. They both look a little cramped on my phone, but the same is true for the current toons list, so that's not a huge problem.
My main problem with the current old description method isn't really much of a problem at all, it's just that when it's applied to every toon, I can't help but think that there must be a cleaner, more elegant solution. I think both of these methods accomplish that goal (the first one slightly more so). Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 20:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice! I'm impressed that you went out of your way to produce examples! To be honest I am more partial to example #2 with the split cell. The reason for that is aesthetic: to me it looks a little bit sleeker and nicer, especially since there's less word wrapping involved. But I definitely understand what you're saying regarding the redundant tag. I'm trying to think of alternatives and so far this is the best I've come up with: the "Flash Description" prefix could be shortened to something like "Flash:" since it's already part of the "Description" column. I went ahead and added a 3rd example to reflect this and it doesn't seem too bad either. In doing so I noticed the redundancies with the table code itself and this could be resolved with a well-constructed template :). --Stux 21:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree that the split cell looks a lot better than making an extra column. It will also make it easier and cleaner in the situations that there are three descriptions thanks to the New Stuff having a different one. Guybrush20X6 21:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm definitely warming up to the split cell method. I don't have much of a preference, but if you two are in agreement, we might as well go with that one. And yes, I definitely agree that "Flash:" is better than "Flash description:". Should I get started on the template changes? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh! I see! I didn't realize that the {{toonmenu}} and {{toontable}} templates already existed! If you're ready to make changes I'd say go for it! The only tricky thing is how to make the extra row optional? (and could it have 3 rows?) I'm curious to see if you already have solutions in mind. I won't be touching the page and I don't plan on making too many edits tonight, so the page is all yours. --Stux 03:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

[edit] TGS and Answering Machine

Should we list TGS and Answering Machine toons in sections just like the Big Toons, Shorts, etc.? Since they don't have their own menu anymore and they have their own descriptions. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 16:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

[edit] New Names

I wasn't sure whether to split this up into multiple discussions, but I figured since they're all related, it'd be easier to follow in a single discussion. Many toons have been renamed during the post-Flash site update. Some of the articles have been renamed, but some have not, including:

Also, some YouTube videos were recently added to the menu with different names:

I support renaming most of these (with The Cheatbot preferrably changing the links), but I'm not sure about some of them.

  • Fluffy Puff Marshmallows is already the name of a page, and the old name is more specific.
  • It seems to have been established that "Blubb-O's" is the correct spelling rather than "Blubbo's", so perhaps keeping the old name might be more accurate.
  • Decemberween Dangeresque is still referred to as such on the Puppet Stuff menu, despite the name being changed on the Holiday menu. It's possible that the new Holiday menu title is the "true" name (since that's what it's called in the toon and on YouTube), and the other name is a shortened version.
  • The titles for Kick The Cheat Voicebox Surgery and the Talkin' Strong Bad Commercial are longer on YouTube, so it's possible their toons menu names are abbreviations of their full titles. "Talkin Strong Bad" in particular is much less specific, and can refer to either the doll or the commercial.
  • The No-Stalgia article is about both the song and the video. The song is simply referred to as "No-Stalgia". (It's also worth noting that the video is "sloshy: No-stalgia" on YouTube, with a colon instead of a dash.)

What are your thoughts? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

So for 4 Gregs it’s called 4 Gregs on the shorts menu but Four Gregs in the TGS menu, so it’s the same situation as Decemberween Dangeresque. For some they definitely seem like errors, like Decomposing Pumpkin and Blubbo’s Commercial. "Kick The Cheat Voicebox Remplacement Surgery" seems like a more natural name without the (How-to), though that’s just my opinion. "Talkin' Strong Bad Plush Doll Commercial" is a much more descriptive name as you said, so that’s probably better. As for No-Stalgia if we’re gonna change anything I’d say we keep the main page as the page for the song, and use the visuals page as the page for the video, like the Trogdor board game songs.
There’s also some others with different names too:
For the Skills of an Artist if we followed the pattern of all the other SoaA page names then it would just be called "LIVE!". I think the answering machines can go either way, as their titles are still said as versions in the toons themselves. As for all the others I didn’t mention, I see no harm in changing the names, especially ones that are just punctuation and/or capitalization changes.
TLDR here’s the ones I feel shouldn’t change:
  • Decemberween Dangeresque
  • 4 Gregs
  • Decomposing Pumpkins
  • Blubb-O's Commercial
  • Talkin' Strong Bad Plush Doll Commercial
  • Fluffy Puff Commercial
  • No-Stalgia (main article)
All the others mentioned seem good to change TheOneAndOnlyDanky 18:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok so Imma start moving the really minor punctuation change ones (like Pay Plus) if anyone objects tell me and/or move them back TheOneAndOnlyDanky 04:21, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
So I moved Ever and More, Pay Plus, and Limozeen Live (practice), though I can't move the talk page of pay plus since one already exists with the new name, and I can't move KOTVOQPCS for the same reason. If someone else could do that it would be much appreciated. Also seemed to mess up the autonav, I changed the names in the lookup but it wasn't fixed. Not sure how to fix that TheOneAndOnlyDanky 04:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi TheOneAndOnlyDanky,
Thanks for all your help! I've fixed the autonav for the 3 items you updated. All I had to do was purge the page cache so that it would re-render correct (just edit the page and change "action=edit" to "action=purge" in case you're not familiar with it.) As for the talk page issue, although I think that the target page can probably be moved elsewhere so the actual page can be moved there, I'll leave it to those who are more experienced with page moves. I very seldom do those. If it's not tackled in the next few days then I'll give it a shot. --Stux 06:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
So I found more toons with different names in the new toons menu, those being:
Since Arcade Game is already the name of a different toon the SoaA episode probably shouldn't change its name. Just like the answering machines, the TGS names could go either way I feel TheOneAndOnlyDanky 00:41, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
TGS has been around since almost forever. I'm kind of less inclined to rename all these without good reason. But looking at things, either way, if not page moves, redirects should be created at the very least. I guess we should seriously discuss and decide which course of action would be better. Moving the pages would probably be a big job undertaking btw. --Stux 08:31, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the rest of the changes!
  • I didn't realize 4 Gregs was kept the same on the Shorts menu. In that case, we should keep the original name.
  • "Decomposing Pumpkin" isn't necessarily an error. The song uses both the singular and plural forms (mostly singular).
  • Yeah, the Kick The Cheat video is the one case where I'd be fine moving the page to the shorter name. The (How-to) seems like it was just added on to clarify what the video's about, without actually being an essential part of the title.
  • So TheOneAndOnlyDanky, you're suggesting we keep the name of No-Stalgia and rename the visuals page to "sloshy - No-stalgia Visuals"? I'm not a fan of the inconsistency, but seeing as the song and video names are inconsistent, I guess that's a fine solution.
  • Skills of an Artist LIVE!! is still referred to as such on YouTube, and is more specific than "LIVE!", so that name can be kept as well.
  • I also agree with the reasoning for not renaming Classic Stand-up Arcade Game, although now I'm wondering if there should be a separate disambiguation page listing the links at the top of Arcade Game (plus Stand-Up Arcade Games).
  • As for TGS and MAM, they're still referred to as "issue X" and "version X.X" in their title cards, so the current names can be kept (although that reasoning is really just to justify not having to move a bunch of pages). And yes, any pages that aren't moved (including TGS and MAM) should at least get redirects.
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
For No-Stalgia, I was more saying that an option is to use the visuals page as the page for the video, with it being named sloshy - No-stalgia or possibly sloshy - No-stalgia (video), akin to the Trogdor Board game song videos. Though that's only if we wanted to use the toons menu title somewhere, I'm fine with not using it.
Also I think I mentioned this already but might as well reiterate it. I already moved:
  • Ever and More
  • Limozeen Live (practice)
  • Trogdor Con '97
I couldn't move the talk page of Pay Plus, and the main pages of The King of Town's Very Own Quite Popular Cartoon Show and A Death Defying Decemberween.
It would be helpful if you or someone else could move at least the talk page of Pay Plus (or move the main page back if necessary), and use The Cheatbot to change the links. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 02:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I just discovered (kinda) official names for Not the 100th Email!!! and Page Load Error within the page titles, being Sbemail 100 fakeout and Sbemail 200 Fakeout respectively. These probably don't really matter but wanted to put them here anyways since they're related to this discussion. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 03:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The names the wiki uses for those pages come from their page titles, which didn't list an actual title pre-post-Flash site update. I'd be fine with moving those to their new titles since they're known now (though lowercase "f" in the 100 fakeout is somewhat odd). Same with moving Needlepoint to Needlepernt, since its original title came from its filename. And incidentally, I'd also be fine with the No-Stalgia video's page being located at sloshy - No-stalgia with No-Stalgia being reserved for the song. It's a similar setup we have with the Rulebook EP videos. (Though without the parenthetical since its Toons menu name is different; otherwise it'd probably be located at No-Stalgia (video) like the EP videos.) DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 15:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
In that case Imma go through all the new names I found and give my opinion on moving them:
  • King of Town Email: "King of Townmail" seems like a more official name, and I see no problem in moving this
  • Not the 100th Email!!! and Page Load Error: Just like DEIDATVM said both "Sbemail 100 fakeout" and "Sbemail 200 Fakeout" seem like more official and specific names for those toons, seem good to move.
  • Intro 2: Intro 2 was a weird name anyways, I know it's the filename but it's not even the second intro. "Old Everybody Intro" does seem better, but I understand if anyone doesn't want that.
  • Needlepoint: "Needlepernt" seems like a weird name. I guess there's nothing technically wrong with moving it, but I'm a bit iffy.
  • The Secrets That I Keep: "Strong Sad's Secret Styles" seems more like a description than a name, I think the current name is better.
  • Flash's 10th Birthday: This is the only one I'm completely against changing. This one already has a title from the DVD, and should take president over "Happy Flashday".
Also I think that we should make a checklist of all the pages we want to move, since this discussion is pretty long and messy TheOneAndOnlyDanky 17:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I was thinking we should "table" this discussion? Get it? "Table"? ... me and my bad puns. Anyway, a table of stuff being mapped would probably be useful. --Stux 17:07, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Article Name New Name Notes
Names changed on the toons menu
To do Intro Old New Intro This page can't be moved due to an existing redirect.
To do Fluffy Puff Commercial Fluffy Puff Marshmallows Fluffy Puff Marshmallows is already the name of a page, and the old title is more descriptive.
Done PAY PLUS! PAY PLUS! The talk page couldn't be moved due to an existing discussion at the new talk page.
Done TrogdorCon '97 Trogdor Con '97
To do The King of Town's Very Own Quite Popular Cartoon Show!! The King of Town's Very Own Quite Popular Cartoon Show This page can't be moved due to an existing redirect.
Done Ever and More! Ever and More
Done Quality Time Quality Time with Cardboard Homestar The title card uses the new title as well.
To do Blubb-O's Commercial Blubbo's Commercial A possible misspelling.
Done Limozeen Live! (practice) Limozeen Live (practice)
To do A Death-Defying Decemberween A Death Defying Decemberween This page can't be moved due to an existing redirect.
Done 2 Part Episode: Part 1 and 2 Cheat Commandos: Two Part Episode: Part 1 and 2 The new title is closer to the title cards.
To do 4 Gregs Four Gregs The new title is only used on the Teen Girl Squad menu. The Shorts menu keeps the old title.
To do Decomposing Pumpkins Decomposing Pumpkin
To do Decemberween Dangeresque Dangeresque Puppet Squad: The Hot Jones Hijack The new title is only used on the Holiday menu. The Puppet Stuff menu keeps the old title. The new title is also closer to the YouTube title (Dangeresque: Puppet Squad - The Hot Jones Hi-Jack) and the title card.
To do Marzipan's Answering Machine Version X.X Marzipan's Answering Machine #X This applies to all 17 Marzipan's Answering Machines. The old titles are still used in the title cards.
To do Teen Girl Squad Issue X Teen Girl Squad Issue #X This applies to all 15 issues. The old titles are still used in the title cards.
YouTube videos added to the toons menu under new names
To do Classic Stand-up Arcade Game Arcade Game There is already a toon titled Arcade Game.
To do Skills of an Artist LIVE!! LIVE! The old title is more descriptive.
Done Kick The Cheat Voicebox Replacement Surgery (How-to) Kick The Cheat Voicebox Replacement Surgery
To do Talkin' Strong Bad Plush Doll Commercial Talkin Strong Bad The YouTube title is more descriptive, and less likely to be confused with the Strong Bad Talking Plush.
To do Stinkoman 20X6 Intro Cinematic Stinkoman Intro Cinematic The YouTube title is more accurate to the game's title, Stinkoman 20X6.
Done Majicks & 'Mergencies Expando Deck Expando Deck Promo
Previously unnamed toons with new page titles
Done Intro 2 Old Everybody Intro "intro2" is the filename, but it's actually the third intro, so the new title makes more sense.
Done Needlepoint Needlepernt
Done The Secrets That I Keep Strong Sad's Secret Styles
Done King of Town Email King of Townmail
Done Not the 100th Email!!! Sbemail 100 fakeout The capitalization of the two "fakeout" titles is inconsistent.
Done Page Load Error Sbemail 200 Fakeout
To do Flash's 10th Birthday Happy Flashday The DVD uses the old title.
Done No-Stalgia sloshy - No-stalgia The song is "No-Stalgia", the YouTube title is "sloshy: No-stalgia", and the menu title is "sloshy - No-stalgia". The song page may stay the same, with the No-Stalgia Visuals page moved to the menu title.

Here's a table. Feel free to edit. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok so I think I'm gonna start moving the ones that don't have any caveats. If anyone disagrees then just tell me. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 01:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Going back to this discussion. Despite what I said about the "fakeout" capitalization, I'll move the Not the 100th Email!!! and Page Load Error articles in a day or two if no one objects. The ones listed in the table as having an existing redirect seem fine to move too, if a sysop can deal with those. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 10:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I know this discussion is kinda dead but I thought it worthwhile to note that Majicks & 'Mergencies Expando Deck is called Expando Deck Promo on the toons menu. Also nothing has really been done about the ones with existing redirects. I think we should at least sort out the PAY PLUS! page. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 18:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Majicks & 'Mergencies seems like it has the inverse of the issue Talkin Strong Bad Plush Doll Commercial; Plush Doll Commercial had a more descriptive and less ambiguous title listed on YouTube than on the website, whereas M&'M's Toons menu name is less ambiguous than its YouTube title. Expando Deck Promo should probably be the page's name.
As far as I can tell the only issue with the existing redirects is that a sysop would be needed to move the pages. I agree that the Pay PLUS talk page should match the main article and not the redirect. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 20:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible to manually move the pages with preexisting redirects? Like just copy the contents of the page with the old name to the page with the new name, and then make the old one the redirect? Not sure if that would work with the talk page but I feel it would for the others TheOneAndOnlyDanky 21:16, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
That could happen, though it'd mean the prior history for the article would be on what would become the redirect, and I don't know if there's any other page move that's been dealt with that way. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 22:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
It hasn’t, because of the page history issue. If they need to be moved, they should be moved the normal way. - 01:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I see, in that case yeah should probably just move them the normal way. TheOneAndOnlyDanky 02:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

[edit] Latest Stuff?

Should we list toons in the Latest Stuff section? - HoveringSombrero (talk)

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