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[edit] Quotes

I'm not happy with the "Homsar Quotes" section. It's not uniform, it's not objective and it's not needed. Who's with me? --Upsilon

Not me- I think all main characters should have it, especially Homsar! -- Asploder

There. Deleted Homsar Quotes, got rid of all the quotes on his page. He already has his own little section in Quotes. He isn't that special. He needs only one page of quotes, just like everyone else. -- FireBird-Talk

Do we realy need the MSN Orbit page of the guy who emailed Strong Bad? It doesn't even mantion Homsar!

Have to tell ya, this article is in need of serious rewrite. 213.169.4.137 07:25, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Where is that list of quotes anyway, just want to see em and add em if you forgot some.--The quill, the page, ly-ric, ram-page 11:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Write Is Definitely Re-Right

This does need re-writing, it says that "Hi, Wonder Mike!" is "One of the few references to pop culture on H*R", when the whole freaking site references pop culture! Please delete that line, someone, it is really bugging me. This is a wiki, why don't you remove it? nintendorulez 14:04, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

Why don't you? 70.44.146.95 03:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Song From The Sixties?

Can anyone come up with song references from Homsar's speeches? 'Gravy train' could be a reference to Pink Floyd's 'Have a Cigar' but maybe it's just some of his home-spun wisdom. Also, not a direct quote, but 'a million ladies tall' feels sort of like 'half a century high' ala Phil Ochs. Just some random stabs here, it seemed a lot more cohesive in my mind.

"Gravy Train" is a common phrase meaning getting a lot of money (or something along those lines. Also, Have a Cigar was written in 1975, so it's clearly not a song from the sixties.

TTATOT. 70.44.146.95 03:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

I think this article should be renamed Homsar (Character). The email article should be moved to Homsar (email). --ZekeMacNeil 23:43, 15 Jan 2005 (MST)

We actually used to have the articles titled that way. Then we changed it to the current setup. The titles you mentioned redirect accordingly. -- Tom 02:25, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

[edit] A Hypothesis About Homsar's Behavior

I have a hypothesis concerning why Homsar behaves the way he does.

I believe that Homsar was drafted and sent to Vietnam in the late sixties ("I'm a song from the sixties." could be a reference to this because many songs in the sixties were about the war in Vietnam) and there he witnessed some horrible things that resulted in a dreadful case of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). To escape his flashbacks after retuning home he began taking copious amounts of LSD and rapidly became psychologically dependant on it. After a decade or so of this heavy use, Homsar cleaned himself up; but the side effects from the long-term LSD use compounded by his PTSD cause him to be detached from reality much to this day in the form of incorrect visual identification of objects, mental incongruity, and flashbacks to Vietnam (explaining Homsar's frequent screaming episodes).

Some might argue with me about my analysis, saying that Homsar is simply retarded. I admit to you that this might be tempting to say, but if he were truly retarded many of the pop culture references Homsar makes would be near impossible because most forms of retardation limit the individual's vocabulary for such things; and furthermore, retardation does not often result in rampant grammatical structure disjunction and word misapplication, as seen in Homsar's case, especially when compared to the symptoms seen in long-term LSD ex-users.

Submitted By: Eli Mann

I know you thought of some big words and obviously spent some time on this, but really- it's just a cartoon. Not everything needs an explanation. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
Exactly. Interesting hypothesis, but it's a freakin' cartoon!

Course homsar could be based on a figure in the Brother's Chap's life that had those same syndroms. Wedge Antilles

Interesting but unlikely. Homsar is just the standard gibberish-spouting idiot that all cartoons have. The_Pardack

Wow. You really must have thought this out. If people look at this page, they can marvel at it. -Alice

I'm a be an agree: This is pretty unlikely. You sure did spend some good thinking time on it, though. What, did you get bored during math class? :) --65.31.46.157 23:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, you've got too much time on your hands man, it's a cartoon for pete's sake. Besides, this isn't all too likely. He's probably just really weird, I know a dude who acts pretty similar to him in real life. -Ryan

Come on, guys. It's obvious. He's actually a genius that's just trying to hide his true identity by making himself look like a complete moron. It's that simple. -Neverending Soda

My theory is that the head trauma he suffered from the weight dropping on his head gave him some sort of weird amnesiac condition. Check out my full theory here! I command you! --VolatileChemical 09:14, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You're all wrong, Homsar has schizophrenia! --Cocoa

Look, cut the guy some slack. This is a discussion page on an obscure article in the Homestar Runner Wiki - clearly, everyone here has too much time on their hands. Kudos on coming up with a plausible theory, Eli. --mayosolo 04:08, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'll second this sentiment. Nobody who chats about or looks up Homsar in a fansite wiki, for goodness sakes, has a right to talk! Besides, Homsar is an enigma, floating between the intelligible and the random, like a dream. I say he is a being of great power for this. Regardless, he begs this sort of exploration! -Shufei

You got it all wrong. Homsar is a jar of mayonase from the sixties that got left out next to the TV (hense the constant references to old shows) and witnessed the goings on of the kitchen (thus being raised by a cup of coffee). The mayo spoiled and some odd bacteria gegan to grow on it, eventualy evolving into a half-sentient being that can walk and talk, albeit strangely. Given a few centuries, he may hope to attain Homestar's level of inteligence. --The Real Zajac 13:54, 21 Jul 2005 (PDT)

  • I like the mayonaisse theory, but I consider Homsar to be the same thing that Homestar is. Whatever that is, they apparently seem to be the same creature. That's kind of like Superman and that oddball supervillian that was also from Krypton.

I agree about the Heavy Lourde being Homsar's problem, but I believe it's just brain and/or spinal cord damage, considering it fell on his head. -Mortacai

I Think The Lourde Caused It, Too. It Fell Right On Top Of Him And Gave Hm A Serious Body Blow. He Still Couldn't Feel His Legs After Four Months! I'm Surprised It Didn't Screw Up Strong Sad. -Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifHomsar7(Hom · Sar)Image:Homsar-in-motion.gif

Maybe Homsar's just not too intelligent.My friend says this quote by Homsar-"Iiiii was raised by a cup of coffee."--Gir007 02:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Zaak

If something actually caused Homsar to become nonsensical, it would probably have been the Heavy Lourde. I kind of doubt TBC would have such a complicated reason for it; he either suffered brain damage from the Lourde, or he's just your standard insane cartoon character. 74.119.26.14 20:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Or maybe he's just a born idiot. Ever think about that? Or maybe he escaped from an insane asylum. Also, you wouldn't be that smart if you were raised by a cup of coffee! AND TROGDOR COMES IN THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! 18:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll bet there are hundreds of possible explanations for homsar, if you really want to try to think of them. There should really be some kinda contest on that. The Big Eye 01:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Its really that Homsar is an exaggerated homestar. Homestar has a poor grasp of reality, and Homsar has amost no grasp of reality. This also explains his accent and looks.

That theory must have taken a lot of time and I wouldn't be able ti come up with one like that. It's complicated but make sense and I think it's true. — 71.201.63.185 (Talk | contribs) 22:32, 12 March 2008 (left unsigned)

i agree with Eli Mann --joe aka joemll 16:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


homsar perfectly fits as being severely autistic, i have dealt with people like that, he fits the behavior patterns well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

It seems fairly likely that Homsar is in reality a super-intelligent, super-powerful, multi-dimensional being who simply appears imcomprehensible to people in our dimension, somewhat like the Superman villain Mr. Mxyzptlk. This interpretation seems reasonable, given his portrayal in Strong Badia the Free and his numerous superhuman abilities.

My theory is that Homsar actually has several people living inside of him and everything he says is something that one of these people tell him to say. They can't hear very well (since they're inside of Homesar) so whatever comes out doesn't make much sense.

What about strong Bad's insight in Strong Badia the Free? When he uses the pylon-thing and he can understand Homsar? No disorder or drug causes that. However, trying to understand how that happened would be as hard as ^this argument. Putting so much thought into a character so unlikely to have the complex backstory required to allow the viewer to understand him like you are trying to is a waste of time. Read H*R's FAQ. They don't care much about inconsistencies. The only time they ever put things together in a cartoon was in DNA Evidence. NighttimeDriver50000 22:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

[edit] homsar.com

I don't think this should be listed as "may or may not be by the Brothers Chaps". I checked it out on archive.org, and until February of last year it was a blog site entitled "Home Of My Stories And Rants". I wouldn't be surprised if they shut down after they got a lot of misdirected attention from their name, which would explain why the site now just says "go away"

I've removed this from the article. A quick WHOIS confirms it clearly isn't The Brothers Chaps. -- Tom 11:16, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)
  • We're not shut down, we just took a different direction. -John from homsar.com

[edit] Sensical Stuffs

I think this page should have a list of all the stuff Homsar's said that makes sense, like "Uh, yeah, what eeys eet, Strong Bay-ad?" and "I do as ah'm told." for example. What do you guys think? Poopsmith Z

  • No, I don't. It's arguable if what much of Homsar says makes sense (For instance, I think "I do as I'm told" is just Homsarish gibberish despite the fact that it makes some sense in context), and this isn't a page for Homsar quotes—aside from his character transcript (which EVERY character has) this is just a biography page. --Jay (Talk) 17:23, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Plus, everything that Homsar says is in completly perfect grammatical form. All of his sentences are complete and, albeit a bit weird, are normal. Stramstar Hummer

[edit] Closed STUFF

[edit] Homsar Winner?

The idea of Homsar may not have just originated from bad spelling. There is a noticeable resemblance between Homsar and Homeschool Winner. Homsar may or may not have evolved from this character.

Posted on: 07:15, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 00:47, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 15–5. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/Homsar.

[edit] What happened?

Diddn't we used to have a list of everything Homsar has said? It can't be that hard to maintain, as he has only had 24 appearences to date.--RatherAnnoying

We used to, but it was decided that just because he doesn't speak normally doesn't mean he deserves a separate section on his character page. See the conversation at the top of this page. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 20:02, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk moved from deleted article: "Homsar's Bowler Hat"

Does this have any real significance? -tapd260

sorta i think --djm1791 02:14, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is becoming a new Coach Z's Z Elcool (talk)(contribs)

Agreed. Delort. - Dr Haggis - Talk 16:37, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Nowaynowaynowaynowaynowaynoway this is awesome.--—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 18:16, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

If it was baleeted I would just go and make another one along with a new Coach Z's Z. Haw Haw.

Uh, that would not be proper. Is everything okay Darklinkskywaker? -- Tom 18:24, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Why delteat this? Just merge it with Homsar's article. -Giranan

If anything, this page should be deleted because it states something that is speculation as fact - how do we know Homsar's hat has a mind of it's own? - Grover Junior

I'm with Giranan. This hardly needs it's own article. Merge. ---mihoshi 13:38, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is an important part to one of the funniest characters on the website. Keep. Rogue Leader / (my talk)

I think it's cute. Let's keep it. Besides, it wouldn't do any good to delete it as Giranan said. --SaikoRoxi 10:15 PM, July 22, 2005

I'd go with a merge, except I disagree that it "has a mind of its own," because it always seems to follow a particular logic to its flight paths (or orbit) from and back to Homsar's head. I think it usually "takes flight" when Homsar is trying to emphasize something, which is pretty much every time he says anything. Anyway, the hat is an integral part of the character, but probably doesn't need its own page. The Smoking Monkey 17:43, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Oh, come on! Homsar's hat deserves 12 pages! Homsar himself deserves his own wiki!

I sincerely think that this page must not be deleted! This is Homsar's Hat! I mean, the fact that the hat goes flying everywhere is so cool! If an item on Homestar runner has been shown once, and then never even mentioned again, there is no need to even post it! However, Homsar's Hat has been shown with Homsar every single time he is seen on the site! Taking a page about Homsar's hat off this site is like taking Homsar's hat away from him on the official site!


Signed,

DarkMario

No. We've removed pages for individual clothing items before, if only BECAUSE they appear pretty much every time the character in question appears, meaning every single word can be moved over to the (more relevant) character article. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 19:10, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

True that and a half. Merge.It's dot com 19:12, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There is no reason this needs it's own article. If not deleted, it shold be merged. Does Homestar's eyes have it's on article? NO! It's merged. MERGE--bkmlb

[edit] Examples in Biography?

Okay, this is coming up fairly consistently in the Biography, so I wanted to pose a question to the people who run the show around here: Do we need specific examples of oddness in interacting with Homsar in his biography? For example, is it appropriate to point out that Homsar called Strong Sad "That Rhinoceros", and quoting Strong Bad's comment about Homsar in interview?

I think the nickname could be found on the page that follows its name. As for the latter, I don't think we need mention that. — Lapper (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
On questions of content, you are one of the people who run the show around here. You know that, right? — It's dot com 00:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand how a wiki works. :) I was referring to those of you with more experience enforcing Wiki standards. Remember, I'm still new here, and this was a grey area. - KieferSkunk 00:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, to answer your specific question, I don't see what harm that info is doing, and it adds a little color. You should probably wait till you get a few replies before considering a question answered. — It's dot com 00:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Huh... so much for consistency. I remember making several edits similar to that in different articles, and most of them were reverted immediately. - KieferSkunk 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I guess more importantly, I've seen a lot of similar edits get reverted for one reason or another. My reason for changing the line about "That Rhinoceros" was to clarify that Homsar SOMETIMES does refer to other characters by their real names, and I felt the best way to write that was to say "He refers to other characters by random nicknames from time to time". Also, the "conversations" example seemed redundant and unnecessary to me, and like I said, I've seen things like that get zapped pretty consistently in the past. That's why I brought this up. - KieferSkunk 00:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure the version of the page I reverted to is the best one. All I'm saying is that, as long as you've asked for input, you should give people a chance to respond. It might turn out that more people want that stuff gone than want it kept. Consistency is a tricky thing around here, because it all depends on what you ask and, probably more importantly, when you ask and whom you ask. — It's dot com
By the way, other than when he was introduced, when has Homsar called someone by their given name? — It's dot com 00:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
In Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0, when he thanks Marzipan for the flowers. - KieferSkunk 00:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Wow. I just listened to that, and Homsar was so... normal sounding. Weird. But you gotta consider the context: that answering machine was released when the Strong Bad Emails were still in single digits, and was only Homsar's second appearance—before his personality was developed at all. — It's dot com 01:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Wow. All this discussion because I put examples in Homsar's Biography? Trippy. I just thought it would be nice to have some specific times he is being strange rather than just stating it. Just saying someone is wierd isn't nearly as effective as citing examples, but that's just my opinion. In response to It's Dot Com, yeah, Homsar does sound way too normal in that answering machine. He's almost...intelligable. Freaky. Anyway, just stating my reasons. thanks! --Jeff J. W.(Talk·Contribs)hr.png 01:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Heya Jeff. Just wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was trying to pick on you there - I wasn't. I guess we just disagree on the specific-examples idea, so I was posing the question to a larger audience. - KieferSkunk 19:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Up-side Down

I just realized. Homsar's stood upside-down twice in the Field before! His character video, and A Folky Tale! A coupla more times and we's gots a running gag! Cheatachu72

He also stood on the top of the screen in Halloween Fairstival, but it's more an element of his character than a running gag. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

[edit] separate pages

I dont know where to put this, so I'll just put this here.

WE NEED A SEPERATE PAGE FOR CHARACTER VIDEOS

It looks messy how it is right now, not just on Homsars page, but on all the other characters' pages. The fun facts seem a bit out of place on the characters pages, but they'd fit just fine on a character videos page. Anyone with me? — talk Bubsty edits 21:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we need separate pages. — It's dot com 21:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I TOTOALLY agree. seperate pages. - lopolo42

[edit] Nonsense Incarnate

Just opening this thread to discuss the phrase "Nonsense incarnate" (Homsar is nonsense incarnate). My understanding is that "Person is X incarnate" is grammatically correct, and that it means the concept X is embodied in Person. The most common real-life use of this phrasing I'm aware of is "Person is the Devil incarnate" - usually to refer to an unruly child, a particularly heinous criminal, etc. I have, however, NEVER heard the phrase "Person is the Devil incarnated" (past-tense). Anyone wanna discuss this? — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

That's how I understand and use it. I've never heard past tense either. --DorianGray
The reason I brought it up is because I reverted this edit, but I don't know for sure that the phrase "nonsense incarnated" is INcorrect. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that edit and figured that to be the reason. I dunno if that one's incorrect, but I do know that the first one IS correct. Go with what you know. --DorianGray
Meh, I learn something new every day. (: --Jonnny 19:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Being "the Devil incarnate" means you are the incarnation - that is, the human representation - of the Devil. That's the real meaning of "incarnate". To be "nonsense incarnate" means you are the flesh-version of nonsense. That is nonsense itself, clearly. Nonsense is not some entity which can take human form. There is plenty of nonsense in the H*R universe that is not embodied in Homsar, so calling him "nonsense incarnate" is somewhat of a misnomer. That said, there is a (weak) argument that the "stock phrase" can be stretched to include such non-standard things as "nonsense" in the "X incarnate" construction, but as a knowledge base I'd submit we do not want to traverse that particular path. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accent?

Does anyone think Homsar's thick southern accent should be mentioned?--Jnelson09 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

To me, it doesn't really sound much like a southern accent {even though I live in the south). I think Homsar just has an accent all his own. Has Matt? (talk) 00:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I live in the South as well, and I don't have that accent, but some people around me do. Anyway, southern or not, do you think it is worth mentioning? --Jnelson09 20:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope; it's not so much an accent as a "voice," in the way that all H*R characters have distinctive voices. I seriously doubt that any particular geographical location could be linked to Homsar's speech patterns (or, if so, I wanna go there right now!) —AbdiViklas 20:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hidden message

Why is there a hidden message in the caption for Homsar that says "DO NOT CHANGE THIS. The revert wars are getting tedious"? Has Matt? (talk) 23:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, a few months ago we had a few people who went around constantly changing the captions on the pages, so we had to keep changing it back. Hence, revert war. We could probably take it down now, but whatever. --DorianGray
What kinda things were they changing it too? Has Matt? (talk) 23:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, with Homsar, you know how it is. Everyone has their favourite Homsar quote. They kept changing it between 'Captain of the Gravy Train' to something else and back again. Eventually, they settled on a non-quote caption and added the little message. --DorianGray
Oh, OK. That's what I thought it was, but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks! Has Matt? (talk) 23:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It was changed. I had to put it back in. I don't want to see the revert wars. Bluebry 01:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homsar the SB E-Mail

One of my Friends, Vincent, sent that one in. Apparently when he was 10 he wanted to be called "Vinnie". now he's just plain old Vincent.Dont believe me?Ask Wagonafullapancakes.That's his Name.--Gir007 23:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC) Excuse me. I'm sorry. It's Wagon-Fulla-Pamcackes.--Gir007 20:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mike

couldnt wonder mike be a reference to mike chapman????? csours 04:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Um..maybe!Not likely but still!--Gir007 23:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thats what i thought to, like mike was controlling the camera or something, he did when homestar was intoducing you to the website.

Nuh uh, that was Cherry Greg. --The4swordImage:The4swordssigpicisbetterthanyours.PNG 14:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caption

Anyone else notice the caption used on the pic on this page is one of the things Homsar never actually said? He may not have been raised by a cup of coffee. But he is the captain of the gravy train. Well, that's why I'm editing the caption. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 19:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, someone changed it after you edited it. I set it to be the same as the slogan on his T-shirt (the cup of coffee). I have a bigger question, though: Why does his caption have to be static? He has a lot of good ones. What difference would it really make if we changed it once a week? Some pages get edited a lot more often than that. — It's dot com 15:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Edit wars. Before the comment, several times a day the caption was changed. We don't want it again. And who shall get to decide what to change it to every week? If we are to avoid edit wars, then we'll have to form a commity, vote on it... Just leave it static. OK? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 15:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Ooh! I have an out-of-the-box solution. Gimme a few minutes to work it up. — It's dot com 16:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I think I has the solution! So...what are you going to do? ???— Seriously (Talk) 16:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, on an experimental basis, I have enabled a random quote feature, based on MediaWiki:HomsarQuotes (unfortunately, only sysops can edit MediaWiki pages, but we should be fine for a while) Template:homsarquote. Also, if you don't like the current quote, you can press the handy "cycle quote" button at the top of this talk page. Everybody go press that button right now! Got that out of your system? Good. Now if the anonnies will just cooperate... — It's dot com 21:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't the cycle button be under the pic or something? That way visitors will be able to do it without knowing how to work a Wiki. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation?

A new section called "Analysis of Homsar's Character" was recently added to this page. While I'm duly impressed that someone took the trouble to write this analysis, the section seems to me to be speculatory and non-encyclopedic. I didn't feel right just removing it without getting others' opinions, though. What do you all think? Heimstern Läufer 04:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure either way. Yes, it is speculative, but we've allowed speculation in smaller doses elsewhere, like sbemail fun facts. And the preponderance of the preceding text paints him out to be a "little weirdo" so the few inches taken up proposing he might actually be a savant genius isn't so intrusive.
Again, I'm not sure, but I don't think it's so bad it should be deleted. STUFF'ed, maybe. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Just one little note: STUFFing is only for Fun Facts. Discussions about other contents of pages usually takes place on talk pages, like is happening now. Heimstern Läufer 04:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Ya, what you said. I meant, if STUFF was used for this sort of thing. I guess we simply need more input. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I liked it, but now I see it is just another one of the theories about Homsar. I say delete if you say delete. SaltyTalk! 04:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of it. It was uncohesive, largely speculative, and didn't really make a whole lot of sense. Plus the small bits of the section that were legitimate and plausible were already covered at different places on the page. Thunderbird 06:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Psychokinesis

"Support for this theory is not only the fact that Homsar's hat floats whenever he speaks, but that it can float even when he isn't. " This sentence seems very odd to me. I fully support all of the armless characters' psychokinesis (as opposed to invisible arms) but I don't see this sentence supporting it. What does it matter that his hat floats both when he is and isn't talking? Trelawney

I strongly disagree with psychokinesis. As just proved in DNA Evidence, Homestar has invisible arms. I think the same about Homsar.--Brad 22:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Arms without shoulders? not possible--4.243.182.63 17:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Word Salads

Since I couldn't find the place where we discussed this previously, I'll bring it up again here. I have an issue with the Speech section stating that Homsar speaks in "word salads". The description of word salad in that section is totally correct, but I don't think it applies to Homsar's general speech. The only time I've seen word salads connected with Homsar has been in interview, where Strong Bad was basically mocking Homsar with a pen puppet. "DaAa, Rightio. I think I can twice" is probably the best word salad on the site, and that was Strong Bad making that up, not Homsar actually saying it.

Generally speaking, Homsar's statements are less gibberish and more out-of-context. Aside from his first two appearances (homsar and Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0), virtually everything he's said has made some sort of sense, but it's rare that two sentences relate to each other, or that a statement to another character matches the context of what the other character said. This isn't quite "word salad", however.

Not sure what my ultimate point with this Talk topic is, but I figured I'd bring it up anyway. :) T'would be the pride of the peaches, I'm sure. :) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The first mention I can find of it in the article is in this edit from 2 May 2005. -- Tom 00:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Right. My point, though, is that Homsar does make SOME sense in some cases, whereas he doesn't in others. An example: "Hi Strong Bayad! Is that rhinoceros around?" in interview - Homsar was looking for Strong Sad, so his question makes sense. His next statement, "I'm a song from the sixties", makes no sense at all in that context, and that could qualify as a word salad. As another example, though, "You gotta get yours, I gotta get mine!" in army, could be a perfectly reasonable response to Homestar's call to action.
So, to say that he speaks frequently or entirely in word salads would be incorrect, IMO - in fact, I think he tends to just have a funny way of saying things most of the time, and he uses word salads only every now and then. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Note that Wikipedia mentions Homsar on both the article and talk page about word salads. I bring this up not to suggest that we necessarily follow their article, just that we take into account what they have to say and, if anything big is decided from this discussion, that the appropriate comments and/or changes be made there too. — It's dot com 18:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done a detailed analysis on Homsar's speech patterns, and I think I've conclusively proven that Homsar does not suffer (much) from word salad. In fact, he's actually quite coherent most of the time. It seems that if he needs to, he can and does relate well to his environment, but when he doesn't need to, he's prone to saying random things - if for no other reason than just to have something to say.
What's everyone's opinion on posting this analysis as an official article, or posting it to this Talk page, so we can link to it from the main Homsar article without it linking to my user space? — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 07:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
(PS to It's dot com: Because of this analysis, I removed the reference to Homsar from the word salad article on WP. :)) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 08:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I definitely think the analysis should be linked to for all to see (and build upon). — It's dot com 06:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Done and done! — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 15:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need examples of wailing affecting environment

"...he often begins sentences by wailing "AaAAaaAAaaAAaa!". (In some cases, this wailing can seem to affect the environment around him in strange ways.)" Can we have examples here? Unfortunately I don't know of any myself. -- Xzqx 20:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Homsar Main Page is the prime example; I don't know whether there are others. Trey56 20:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I did some "research" (namely clicking on the Homsar's Speech Patterns page and clicking each link and then watch the toon) and here's what I got: His Character Video, homsar, Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0, The House That Gave Sucky Treats, Where's The Cheat?, your friends, interview, Homsar Main Page, suntan, 3 Times Halloween Funjob and for kids. Stongbah Preeow! 21:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mom and Dad

In the DVD version of the Theme Sone Video, Homsar appears on the line "Homestar Runner Mom and Dad". Could this be a hint that Homsar is Homestar's father? I doubt it, but it's just a little point. Strong Sader 22:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

And he's not in the original version, because he hadn't been thought up. I think it's such a big stretch that the cats are jealous, myself. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I think they just needed a lyric that rhymes with "Strong Bad." Also, if Homsar is Homestar's dad, then where's his mom? --Trogga 03:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Back up a bit. The song was written WAY before the DVD video. The lyrics make sense, "Mom and Dad" are important to young kids, which Homestar is (mentally). Later, Homsar is added to the video. I highly doubt there was an intentional connection there. Likeliest, a coincidence. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
"Intentional connection" with what? --Trogga 03:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Uh, what we were discussing. Homsar being Homestar's dad. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Homsar Runner

Is it just me,or does Homsar seem to be The Homestar Runner? He resembles him quite a bit -not-in-same-direction legs -Shortness -Head area He seems to be a bit older than the others(I personally think of him as the confused old guy type) THR seems to not be that old in his filmography,so thee Old Timeys(Scratch OTB and Sickly Sam) could still have live.

This is what we call "stretching it" or, more descriptively, scouring the truth, and even your own opinions, for "the truth within the truth". In summarization, there's about a 99.9% chance that no, Homsar and The Homestar Runner have no relation to each other, other than Homsar is a misspelled-spinoff off of Homestar Runner, who is The Homestar Runner's present-day counterpart. — Lapper (talk) 22:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Homsar's like, a sixties version of Homestar runner. Called Homsar Runner. I mean, 1936 and 1996 have a long time in between, long enough for an additional character.

-edit- A side note on this, Homsar originated from a StrongBad email in which someone misspelled Homestar. The sentence was as follows "Dear Strong Bad, If you hate Homsar so much why don't you just kill him?", in which they proceeded to a clip of a new charater called Homsar with a striking resmblence to Homestar Runner, with obvious differences. He was created as a joke on a fan's spelling and just stuck with the cast.

Also in the old timey cartoons the character is an old black and white version of Homester Runner, not Homsar.

[edit] Word Salads

In the article it says homsar does not have schizophrenia due to the fact he speaks in incorrect grammar. However varying degrees of schizophrenia can cause improper grammar as well.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad_%28mental_health%29

— 69.40.117.97 (Talk | contribs) 23:22, 23 November 2006 (left unsigned)

I might be misinterpreting your comment, but the article doesn't say that at all. The current version of the article states:
Many believe that Homsar speaks in word salads (a speech disorder characteristic of schizophrenia in which grammar and sentence structure is intact, but the words have no particular meaning), but a detailed analysis of his speech patterns has shown that this is seldom the case. Instead, it seems that Homsar can and does relate well to his environment and other characters when he needs to, but is also prone to saying completely random things when there's no particular reason for him to stay in context.
The article doesn't make any assertion as to Homsar having or not having schizophrenia. It just says that word salads can be a characteristic of schizophrenia. It also says that our research shows he seldom speaks in word salads. It also links to the same Wikipedia article you cited here.
What exactly do you mean? -- Tom 23:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It says "Many believe that Homsar speaks in Word salad... in which grammar and sentence structure is intact..." word salads do not have to have correct grammar. Btw, I noticed there is another topic called word salad, should this be merged with it or what?
— 69.40.117.97 (Talk | contribs) 5:16, 25 November 2006 (left unsigned)

[edit] "Reggie"

From the page:

Homsar often assigns the other characters, including himself, strange names. This could be because he has forgotten their real names, is confused, or disregards their real names. These "names" are sometimes based on the character's appearance (Strong Sad: That Rhinoceros) or a similar-sounding name (Bubs: Tubbs). Others (Strong Bad: Reggie) just don't make much sense.

Calling Strong Bad Reggie makes decent sense, although it's a bit of a stretch. Strong Bad is highly self-centered, believing that all ladies naturally love him, and that he is naturally popular. He also lies to make people be impressed with him. Reggie Mantle, from Archie Comics, is also highly self-centered, loving himself more than he loves women, carrying a mirror around with him so he can admire himself, buying expensive cars to be popular - so connecting Strong Bad to Reggie Mantle makes a relative degree of sense.

It's speculation to assume this, though, which is why it's not included in either article. --DorianGray 09:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Both comics have a similar cast with two main opposed male characters, one dumb and happy go lucky (Homestar / Archie), and one vain and continually pulling pranks (Strong Bad / Reggie). I guess that would make Homesar Jughead on acid?

Everybody!!!!Everybody!!!! That makes a whole lot of sense, but dont you think "Rhinocereous" and "Reggie" are kinda related. "Reggie the Rhinocereous"... i think i heard something like that when i was three for a bed time story or something... -smartkidhen

Reggie probably refers to the particular red monster from Number Munchers. It has some resemblance to Strong Bad's red mask. Monsters in Number Munchers are are called Troggles, and the red monster Reggie is the most common. That's all i remember from elementary school computer lab. Haha wow. Search Google images to see. Now I hope I've contributed my little bit to our scientific understanding of Homestarrunner.com

[edit] hats?

shoudn't that article homsar's hat be merged with this one?--Dj teh homsar 03:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It has been! By the way, welcome to the wiki :) Trey56 03:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup of the laws of physics

This section needs cleanup. Remove speculation etc. Re-write to takes focus off the hat, perhaps? A possible merge with Homsar's odd powers might be coming soon, too. Loafing 04:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homsar's Language

This page desperately needs a rewrite. All the bits about the word salads and random phrases especially need to be thrown out, since Strongbadia the Free revealed that Homsar isn't speaking nonsense, but merely a language that is comprised of seemingly random english words. Any references to this character being a dullard or a nincompoop should be removed as well, since Strong Bad actually held an intelligent conversation with Homsar. — 209.62.199.78 (Talk | contribs) 20:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC) (left unsigned)

It's clear that this is a one time gag unique to this game only. Dwedit 21:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

That "one time gag" was written with full support from the Chapman brothers. Are you saying that the games aren't canon? If it was supposed to be intended as a one time gag, they wouldn't have bothered undoing the effects of the pylon, would they? Strong Bad could continue to understand Homsar, and everything fine because the games exist outside the cartoon's continuity, right? WRONG.

It still needs to rewritten, even though nobody will again be able to understand him, because it was revealed that he indeed is NOT speaking nonsence. If you want a clearer explaination, I suggest reading the comment made by 209.62.199.78 above. (In short, you're just not paying attention.) Seriously, this needs to be re-written! HaldoHelscome!

I don't think the games are canon, actually. And even if they were, you're putting way to much importance on what is obviously just a one time joke. 75.175.115.65 07:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I think We totally need a vote. I actually belive that it is a language, and in the cartoon sometimes others were able to understand him based on his being around english speakers... kinda like when you live with English people when your a baby you learn english easily, but if you grow up with spanish people, you learn spanish easily. Just a theory. smartkidhen

[edit] Homsar's House

I've noticed that almost every other character has his/her domicile (aka house) near the debut spot. Do any of you think that Strong Badia the Free reveals that Homsar's "house" could be considered the Homsar Reservation? Strongkinghomsarsmith

[edit] Duplication?

Homsar said he had "his people". Isn't it possible that there always just more than 1 Homsar? --PartyBrd20X6 12:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, that's the joke. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 12:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another Homsar behavior hypothesis

I was reading through a lot of the theories about Homsar's behavior and was really surprised that this one was never raised! Allow me to draw a comparison:

In the television show Pinky and the Brain, the Brain is book-smart with an incredible knowledge of science, psychology, engineering, etc., whereas Pinky is something of a goofball, speaking frequently in non sequiturs and appearing to be the 'stupid one' in the relationship. However, it's been suggested that Pinky is truly the genius because he manages to bypass all of the Brain's fancy plans and come up with solutions that are winning in their simplicity and tend to introduce Brain to situations that allow him to be happy or to feel good emotions he has otherwise shut out.

Is it possible that this is true for Homsar as well? He, similar to Pinky, appears to be just stupid and frequently chatters away in non sequiturs, but he seems happier in his simple life than many of the other characters. Some might say this would apply to Homestar more, but I think that Homestar is not truly happy, considering his frequent fights with Marzipan and other clashes with characters. Homsar, however, appears content in his life and goes on his merry way. Is there a possibility that word salads and all, Homsar has a unique brand of genuine intelligence that allows him to be so at peace with how others view him?

I think that you're reading way too far into a silly cartoon about dumb animal characters (as the creators themselves refer to it. ;) Anyway, how can one tell that Homsar is content? Short of a few scattered instances, he rarely shows any emotion at all. Pinky's got at least some grounding in reality. Definitely enough for him to show genuine emotion. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 21:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Senile

When I first saw Homestar Runner for the first time, I didn't know about the Sbemails.I thought that he was a senile old Homestar (I mean whatever creature Homestar Runner is.) It just came to me. Perhaps he is just a senile old man? He sure acts like it, and his bowler hat makes him look old timey, like, ... oh my... Old timey Homestar! IMO, he is the old Homestar Runner, except senile, to the point where he almost forgot his name. Homsar sounds like he is mispronouncing his name, don't you guys?

This is a great theory to bring up on the forum. Here, it's considered speculation. — DeFender1031*Talk 00:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
So, are we to assume that at some point in his life, Homestar will attain unimaginable powers, and travel back in time to the present day?
No. — DeFender1031*Talk 02:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Referring to Homsar

I'm fairly certain that only 2 people have ever referred to Homsar by his real name: Strong Bad, who says his name most of the time, and Strong Sad, who said his name twice in Strong Badia the Free. Am I wrong? Bearholdingashark, 21:59 PM July 31, EST

Marzipan says his name in Fall Float Parade. --DorianGray 03:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "flowered"

To me, it doesn't sound like his saying "best foot flowered" - it sounds like "best foot froward" (as in forward with two letters switched). What does everyone else think? Should it be changed? Flicky1991 15:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

No. For one, homsar doesn't jumble letters within words, that's cardgage's job. For another, it's clearly either "flowered" or "floured" (I wonder why we never had that debate though). — DeFender1031*Talk 18:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Homsar = house?

I think it's worth mentioning that Homsar might have several people living inside of him. In DNA evidence, there are a few unseen people talking and they stop when Homsar closes his mouth.

Eh, I think that chatter going on inside Homsar is just another incarnation of Homsar's nonsense. As for the theory as a whole, like most theories about why Homsar is what he is, it's basically speculation. Even Strong Sad, the most academic of all the main characters, can't make sense of that guy in Strong Badia the Free. Homsar is what he is because he is what he is. There's just not much more to it. Heimstern Läufer 09:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Heimstern is right. It's just Homsar being his usual self. Star Guy T/C 19:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Variations?

As far as I know, Homsar is the only main character who doesn't have any variations in the main sub-universes (unless you count different town, but I'm pretty sure that one hasn't appeared outside Strong Bad's imagination). Is this notable, or am I grasping? --63.246.240.133 04:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Personally I think of Homsar as a HomEsTar variation, which is why he has so few counterparts. It may be notable but I think it's noted on the sub-universe pages Guybrush20X6 10:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Homsar, Iran

Yeah, I found that on Wikipedia a while ago. Pretty cool. Anyway, I'm not quite sure if that fun fact should go on the page. It really has nothing to do with the character; it's just a coincidence. Anyone else? (Sort of like how Pom Pom happens to be the name of a Mario character.) e0uZ2kQ.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:34, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I dunno though... it's also a lot like how Fluffy Puff Marshmallows are a real brand in Israel. It's just a coincidence; however, it's a pretty funny one. I found it pretty funny... and interesting. I see your point, but I'm also fine with it staying. SRMX12 (talk/cont) 03:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Given that Homsar was invented as a result of a misspelling of "Homestar", this is 100% completely and utterly NOT a reference. — DeFender1031*Talk
Well, I think we knew it wasn't a reference. Sectionally speaking, it probably would've gone under Trivia as opposed to Real-World References. But like I said all up there, I found it pretty interesting. I think we should either get rid of the Fluffy Puff fact I mentioned up there, which is pretty parallel to this, or keep both. SRMX12 (talk/cont) 22:15, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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