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[edit] Past our bedtimes

It has finally happened! I discovered and watched this Strong Bad email before the Wiki knew that it existed. Ah, sweet success.Triumvir 10:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

You mean not counting the fact that I started the toon page several minutes before you posted anything? ;) — It's dot com 10:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it let me create the page and found no conflicts when I did. I guess you just started editing it before me  :-) Triumvir 10:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I realize I'm tooting my own horn here, but I'm pretty sure my edit was before yours. :) — It's dot com 12:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Ugh! you can do that!? Oh and hi Triumvir! Welcome to the wiki! --Stux 14:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
...And how exactly is that an accomplishment?

Agentjs03 21:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dunno where to put it, but

The .wad file extension is most famous for its use on data files for Doom. -- Vorn

I is also used in other games after Doom. [1] -- Garglfluz

Hence why he said "Most famous" ;)

[edit] simpsons?

Isn't "worst mayo party ever" a reference to the simpsons? You know, Comic Book Guy: Worst ____ Ever!" --TheGreatLogini 12:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

That's currently in dispute on the STUFF page for this toon. NFITC1 15:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] brokeback Laramie?

did anyone else think about brokeback mountain when the cowboy picture came up or is there another cowboy reference that I might be missing. I R F 12:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I did, but I still don't think it's a reference. More likely, Laramie is a popular setting for westerns... come to think of it, I think I'll add that. Terlet Brush 19:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Laramie a brand of cigarettes on the Simpsons, with a wild west theme (sort of like Marlboro)?
I totally thought the same thing. Don't know if it's worth referencing, but then with all the press the movie's gotten...--Impulse2, who needs to register

Actually, the town of Laramie is sort of famous for a hate crime which killed a gay man. There is a play about it entitled The Laramie Project.--Lucyinthesky 22:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

yeah, actually the only time ive ever heard of laramie personally is from the laramie project and the hate crime. it was a gay kid get ur facts straight geez

I think two possible Simpsons references in one toon is too coincidental to be a coincedence. SaltyTalk! 23:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
The reason that the Simpsons chose "Laramie" as the popular cigarette brand is to parody Marlboro cigarettes, which are also cowboy-themed. Point is, Laramie's cowboy connotations came before the Simpsons. In fact, Wikipedia has an article on the Jimmy Stewart western The Man from Laramie. Terlet Brush 05:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nintendogs?

Is the video game "where you pretend to be a dog" Nintendogs? Or possibly Animal Crossing? Neither of those really counts since you're not actually pretending to be a dog or frog. There was another one, a non-DS one, where you actually pretend to be a dog, but I forget its name off the top of my head. - [User:Octan|Octan] Jan 25 2005, 8:38AM EST

A Dog's Life, for the PS2. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif 13:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Hm...aren't you a frog in Frogger?--Martin925 23:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I say Frogger and Nintendogs. Or perhaps Dog's Life for PS2... --MrsCommanderson 00:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I tried adding that as a real-world reference and someone reverted it. I can't think of anyother games that include Frog play, but there's also a GBA game called Dogz where you play as a dog. I'm gonna try to re-add it.
---Jeff J. W.(Talk·Contribs)hr.png 17:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
As a reference you might want to see this discussion. --Stux 17:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
You dont actually pertend to be a dog in Nintendogs, and I'm pretty sure you don't in Dogz

[edit] a lot of work for one small comment

When SB talks about seeing the Poopsmith and himself together, I was thinking that TBC put there just to gives us work to do. It would take a bit of work, but does anyone find it worth it to list all of the times that SB and TPS have appeared in the same frame...or is that just too much work which will just amount to one small comment such as, "depsite trying to claim that he has never been seen with the poopsmith, they appeared together in ______, _____, and ______." I R F 13:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Three words: big white face. And don't forget couch patch. And rock opera. And Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon. And Parsnips-a-Plenty. Has Matt? (talk) 13:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I know, there are a bunch, but is it worth trying to find them all? I R F 13:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Doubt it. But who knows what bored people with no lives will do. :P - Joshua 13:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Especially bored wiki people. I R F 13:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
And labor day... Has Matt? (talk) 14:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Like in The Geddup Noise, I made this to help make tedious searches like this one. The only thing it doesn't have is regular toons. --Stux 14:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You know, I remeber seeing that but I couldn't find it. SB and TPS have also appeared in several Halloween toons together. I R F 14:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, Parsnips-a-Plenty doesn't really count because it's an Old Timey Era with different characters. – The Chort 19:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget A Jumping Jack Contest User:Sbmaniac
And The Luau --Der Pepper
And haircut. Grumblebaker 03:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superman reference

Ms Fessmocker (sp?) is a reference to the female henchman(woman?) of Lex Luthor in the first Superman movie. Does this mean that the cheat is female? Maybe... probably not. It does kind of make sense that the cheat would pick a henchman of a villian as a fake name.

Would make even more sense if this was signed...--ISlayedTheKerrek 15:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Poopsmith and I?

Shouldn't that be "The Poopsmith and me?" -- Mycroft Holmes 14:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope. The correct pronoun to use is 'I'. --Musachan 15:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)Musachan
Hmmmm ... but, wouldn't you say "Have you ever seen us together"? You + me = us. You + I = we. -- Mycroft Holmes 15:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
It should be "me", not "I". — It's dot com 16:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Because it is so drilled in everyone's head that you must always say "{someone} and I" (instead of "me and {someone}") in the subject of a sentence, people often don't realize that they should instead say "{someone} and me" instead in the predicate. The usage of I/me is exactly the same as if you were only speaking of yourself, and I/me should always be written last. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 16:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

My English teacher taught me to take out the extra phrase (in this case, "The Poopsmith") and see how the sentence should be without it. It would be "Have you ever seen me in...", so, it would be me. SaltyTalk! 03:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

"(person) and me" is a terrible Americanization. Technically it should say "..and I", or better still in my eyes, the reflective "and myself". Eitherway it's an Americanization only. 05:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Say to yourself: "Have you ever seen I with The Poopsmith?" Does that sound fluid at all? "Me" is the only word that fits there. The structure of the sentence (other than the prepositional phrase) does not change by adding "The Poopsmith" to "I/me". "The Poopsmith and me" is the only correct option. What's more, the reflexive is only appropriate when the subject and object are the same entity. See also: Hypercorrection. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 05:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
You beat me to it! I was about to say that. But to reiterate anyway: "myself" is only to be used as a grammatical particle in a sentence (negating quotes of course, gotta cover all the bases) if and only if (iff for those math-types like me) "I" is the subject of the sentence. Since the subject is "You", then "myself" should never appear in the sentence. NFITC1 16:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've had a way to check this since like 1st grade: if you wouldn't say have you ever seen I... then you would say have you ever seen whatevere doog thap torrkanmlordor

[edit] Real Genius

Could "I heart Toxic Waste" be a reference to the T-shirt Chris Knight wears in the eighties movie Real Genius?

Yeah that plus the pink bunny slippers and bath robe - he looked sort of like a cross between Chris Knight and that professor at the end, when they're both wearing the slippers.

[edit] These edit conflicts are REALLY cheesing me off!

I just want to state, for the record, that I'm still very highly annoyed by receiving Edit Conflict after Edit Conflict when other people's edits have nothing to do with mine. (Someone makes a change in the transcript while I'm editing Inside References: Edit conflict.) This wasn't a problem before. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it used to be a problem, then it was "fixed" (but extremely glitchy; ie. One edit would auto-revert the previous edit in many cases), and then the "fix" was fixed. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 19:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You're not kidding. ._. I went through, like, nine edit conflicts to change "great" to "Greek" and remove that extra bit about Bubs. This has not been a good day so far, but that's too off topic. --DorianGray
Yeah, ironically the same complaint has been posted here. I posted a similar reply to Jay's except I didn't know if the fix had been fixed. --Stux 19:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SB's facial hair

Where was it that we saw Strong Bad working on growing a moustache and all he could manage was one tiny hair? Wherever that was, it seems to contradict his ability to grow stubble as Vance Mudgeman. Terlet Brush 19:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he can only grow the hair when he's taking on his alternate persona ;) --Stux 19:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Or it could be fake. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 19:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, the pathetic tiny hair was seen in theme park. And who said he really takes the identity of Vance Mudgeman? He could be messing about with us. Remember highschool? – The Chort 19:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it could be fake, but this email seems more, I dunno, real than just a made-up Strong Bad fantasy (which highschool certainly was). — It's dot com 19:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that you could get a real big ice cream headache if you try to just reality from fiction in a toon where only one character resembles a human, most don't have arms (debatedly), and the narrator SB, has the maturity of some of the adolescents that I see on those judge shows. So, lets me understand this...He is a charachter on a website that thinks he's real, but also knows that he is performing and can actively let us in on events that he made up and his dreams which happened to be conveniently downloaded onto tangerine dreams for us to view. In this case, ignorance is bliss. I R F 22:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Chamberlain = Pom Pom?

Given Pom Pom's attraction to and luck with the ladies, and Wilt Chamberlain's legendary prowess, is it possible that Mr. Chamberlain would be Pom Pom's pseudo-name? -- Mycroft Holmes 19:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking Strong Mad, actually. But either way, what does "COMPED" mean? --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 19:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Bubs didn't charge Mr. Chamberlain, the room was COMP-limentary. -- Mycroft Holmes 19:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Not to mention that only Pom Pom would be likely to get the Posh suite. That leaves only Mr. Allen Poe, who I think is Strong Sad. He had a pic of him for his blog once, I think. He'd also be into that kind of story, and would definitely require a double bed. --DorianGray
Very good points. I was actually only thinking of Strong Mad because of his tendency to wear costumes related to sports stars (which, admittedly, Pom Pom did once too.) And I recalled the name being mentioned on the site once before, though it actually turned out to be in 50K Racewalker. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 19:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
EDC: Didn't Pom pom dess up as Kobe Bryant once? Ooo! I guessed the link right! What team did chamberlain play for? --Stux 19:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
EDCx2: Oh and both played for the Lakers. --Stux 19:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not big on sports. You're lucky that I correctly realized that he was a basketball player. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 19:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the "COMPED" means that Pom Pom paid for it with his Pom Pilot. You know, as in, Paid with a compy... ICE CREAM!! Never mind. Homfrog 12:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House of Portraits

Isn't the trailer SB is in for the "Daddy" secret identity the same one as in portrait?-- Benol, aka Coach B 20:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is. This has been mentioned. --DorianGray

[edit] Daemon

The word "daemon" can be correctly pronounced "DEE-mon" or "DAY-mon". See here for more info. ClamIAm 20:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link - I went ahead and pulled the pronunciation note from the transcript. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I think daemon here refers to one of the messages displayed while loading Doom II, "Init DOOM refresh daemon" - this was by far the slowest of all the steps to load the game. My main support for this is that instead of typing "strongbad_email.exe" the text appears as "strongbad_email.wad". The game's level files were stored as doom2.wad and various add-on levels were distributed in the .wad format as well. The page currently refers to *nix daemon programs which doesn't seem to be the intended reference.Ibennetch 18:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Easter Eggs

Is it just me, or was the easter egg at the end with strong sad added some time after the tune was origionally put up? I remember looking for one at the end and not finding one, and then checking the wiki and not seeing it listed. Snowboardpunk

Did you actually check, as in, with the "tab" key? If not, then you could have easily missed any egg. — Lapper (talk) 20:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
But to answer your question, yes, it was added later. --DorianGray
Yeah when I saw it earlier this morning I was surprised not to see an egg either. Now I have to go back and watch it again! :) --Stux 21:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whaddaya Know, Reference-Man?

I pulled this item from Inside References because I listened several times to the Mudgeman scene, and I could not hear anything that sounded like Homsar's show. Figured I'd post it here in Talk, though. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually it sounds like the chords from Caleb Rentpayer, but I can't tell for sure. --smileyface.PNG11945 (Talk/Ctrbs) 23:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it's definitely Haddi-Man on the TV. Some proof? Just as Strong Bad says "Jeffery Beffery", you can here that "doo-doo-DOO-doo" tune, but the words are hard to make out. While he's saying "Mudgeman", you can clearly here the words "make some new". --VolatileChemical 00:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
But there's also quite a bit of other noise in the background that wasn't there in for kids - whether that's part of the TV show or coming from elsewhere in the trailer, I don't know. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I clearly hear the line "we'll make some new friends..." (everything else is obscured by Strong Bad's voice). Jonnny 05:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I hear it too. Though it might be coming from the other room, where the kids are. (That wouldn't explain what Strong Bad's watching and why we can't hear it though.) - [User:Octan|Octan] Jan 26 2006, 9:45PM EST
Seriously, it IS Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man. You just need better headphones. I'm putting it back.

Ok, I here two things: 1) Some kids, one of them apparently Jeffrey Beffrey, are laughing in another room. 2) The openning song from Haddi-Man is playing on the TV. I can almost clearly hear the tune and the voice of the singer. SaltyTalk! 04:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely Haddi-Man's theme song. No question. —BazookaJoe 04:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Name Bubs

I believe the Bubs' nametag is a reference to his line My name cornbread in the Decemberween Pageant. Anyone else agree?--Martin925 00:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Me, I thought of "My name Bubs. This is my regulah voice" from Sample of Style, which was made into a Quote of the Week. --DorianGray
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It could be that too. They were both made Quote of The Week.--Martin925 00:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought of "mine name cornbread" but I knew he said something similar somewheres. I think it could be a reference, maybe. SaltyTalk! 03:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it could be a little Bubs idiosyncronicity by now. (Spelling help, anyone?) --DorianGray
"My name Bubs, I talk hard and fast! --Still Homsar 15:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, no. This toon predates Donut Unto Others by more than three years. The Knights Who Say Ni 15:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Girl on magazine

who am I?
Jackie Chapman

Who could be the girl on the woman's magazine?--Martin925 00:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It of course could be Missy Palmer, but I'm leaning more towards Jackie Chapman, simply because it looks a bit more like her (from what we can see). Of course, it could be someone we don't know. —Zelinda 00:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Well guys, judge for yourselves: --Stux 02:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Um. I can't tell either. --Stux 02:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
What I don't get is why somebody uploaded another Scarf after I already had one. Anyway, I think it looks a lot like Jackie Chapman after comparing with this: (picture at bottom right) SaltyTalk! 03:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agee with Mibluvr, it's probably a third person. When it comes to making a descision about this picture, VolatileChemical thinks third person is the best way to go. That's a joke, by the way. And either hyperlink that picture, or scale it down. --VolatileChemical 03:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Edit conflictOh I guess someone already uploaded a version. And she even has a page of her own too! --Stux 03:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Turns out yours was uploaded first, I was getting ready to tag mine for deletion before i got the conflict. --Stux 03:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PoopBad Image

I've uploaded the image of poopbad to here: [2] can someone put it on the site? -- ravs

This is Fanstuff. Please don't upload it onto the Knowledge Base. —BazookaJoe 01:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Uh...fraid not. It's the image that appears as an easter egg in the actual email. Click on "so apparently I'm not The Poopsmith" as they're being spoken. Oh, and I'll try to find somewhere to put it. --VolatileChemical 01:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I guess I didn't see that Easter egg. My bad. —BazookaJoe 01:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
It's already on some page somewhere, though, so uploading it is still unnecessary. Check the recent images gallery. --DorianGray
Great. It already exists. Now you tell me, after I've already uploaded it. Oh, well. I'll just put it at Minor Character Variations, see how that works out. I'll call this monstrosity Poopbad, because that's the only name I've heard of so far. --VolatileChemical 02:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Now the question is: Which entry do we get rid of: the one at Other Character Variations or the one at Strong Bad Other Costumes? --DorianGray
Hey! DorianGray! I was just thinking about how you're pleasantly ubiquitous. I'd say the Strong Bad Other Costumes one. It's not a costume, it's a hypothetical amalgamation. By this logi , could just as easily be called a Poopsmith costume. Plus, Poopbad is as tall as TPS, which means he could be in a costume that size, but SB couldn't have a costume that height unless that entire head is a very realistic mask. --VolatileChemical 03:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you wholeheartedly, actually. Plus I prefer the Variations pic, coz it has no extra stuff in the background. --DorianGray

[edit] Lodgings?

Has no one else noticed that Bub's is running a hotel with no rooms? There is a chance they are off screen but this is shattered by the fact Homestar appears from behind the stand, could the rooms be hidden in the supposed Basment? or does Bub's make them sleep on the ground behind the stand? :P

Probably the basement. --VolatileChemical 01:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I ♥ Flint

Is it just me, or are these emails verging on documentary format? I mean, it used to be Strong Bad answering the emailer's question, then showing an example of him doing it/seeing it/showing it. But now, it's Strong Bad saying he often does a certain thing, and then they'll switch to "stock footage" of him doing that thing. More often than not, he narrates the clip. Like in "secret identity" itself, with Strong Bad describing all his alter-ego's, and then suddenly switching to him as that ego in the past. The clips must be in the past because the Tip Tappers one is during the night, and Strong Bad wouldn't take two days to answer an email).

Either that, or he'll say he's going to do something, and then the "directors" switch to other people talking about what he did without showing him doing it. Even though you don't see him doing it, it no doubt happened, due to the character's reaction. This proves the declaration of intent to exercise a certain action, the action-doing itself, and reaction of the other characters are all "filmed". Whether they're edited out or not varies.

Sometimes, Strong Bad (or, in this case, Bubs) will say he's going to do something, then they skip the doing, and go straight to the reaction. Like in virus. Declaration: Bubs says he's going to shotgun the Compy; Reaction: Strong Bad runs off crying and Homestar hops on one leg. The action is skipped. Other times, the declaration is stated, completed, and then reacted to. In modeling, Strong Bad says he's going to get Pom Pom take pictures of him, then he does this, and him and Strong Sad talk about it at the end. Other times, Strong Bad will say he'll do something, then he'll do it, and finish the email without showing the reaction. In ghosts, Strong Bad says he'll sweep Strong Badia for paranormal activity with The Cheat, and he does, but then he ends the email ends without anyone reacting to it.

I'm sorry that I've taken up so much space with those last two paragraphs, and I just wrote those parts to prove that every action and reaction in these emails are filmed, but some parts are edited out. Okay, so: we got stock footage, editing, talking only to the camera numerous times instead of to someone else or writing the response, plus the fact that he's answering real life fan mail...even though you guys probably won't believe b/w agree with me, but I think these emails have long surpassed fourth wall breakings, and are now full-fledged mockumentaries.

*prepares for the annoying barage of disagreements or personal insults or threats on my life coming from the same condescendingly ubiquitous group of users who get into every moderately imporatant argument on toon pages that seems to follow me like the tail of a snake on that cell phone game* --VolatileChemical 01:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree you *** **** $&$$*@!!! ***** chinese dentist! I'ma kill — err, gotta be firm. Well, I'm kinda not sure I see what your point is. If most emails fall under one of those few categories, then most, if not all, well not all, but a lot, of emails are like that, so it kinda hasn't "changed", but what do you expect? Him to say he did something, then the email ends? It's kinda the only way to do things, unless you want every email to be like some kinda robot. SaltyTalk! 03:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
TBC are known to like Arrested Development, which cuts to different scenes and/or back in time in documentary style. Maybe they like that type of format and are either intentionally using it or subconsciously being influenced by it. — It's dot com 03:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Ooh, Chinese dentist! That's the best one yet. Anyway, yes, Arrested Development. Great show. That's kinda what subconsciously inspired me to make this argument. Same style. To the teeth. Metaphorical teeth, that is. And It's dot com, it shouldn't be noted that I originally planned to say that all the people in that group of condescendingly ubiquitous sooth-sayers and life-threateners include you personally in pretty much every single capacity I was thinking of! I would've said "like that guy It's dot com", but I was afraid you or someone like you would go all "admin" on me and get mad at me and talk at me in that way that shows they're trying to be polite and not sound like you've broken one of the seven deadly sins (by using words like "could you please" or "next time, try to") but fail miserably. Not that admins fail miserably at anything, no, of course not...they're the g-greatest people in the world! Hehe...heh...*runs off screaming* *as I'm saying this next part my voice is gradually fading away into the distance as I run* To answer Salty's accusations with a lack of question but with an implied inquisitive tone as to my desire that every email should be like SKR, the answer is no! I wasn't saying I didn't like that really old style where he doesn't really do anything, or even say he'll do anything for that matter. I was just trying to prove that all parts of the email-making process are filmed by breaking the parts into categories such as declaration action and reaction, then going on to prove that they're not all shown, just to prove that these emails are (in the Homestar Runniverse) edited, thus making them more like documentaries. Wow, my voice has gone on for a really long time of fading away without disappearing into silence. Anyway, the meaning of life is not forty-two, it's actually... *voice fades away* --VolatileChemical 03:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not My E-Mail, Yo

The Chaps didn't use my e-mail. That's just the way life goes, I guess. Has anyone noticed that Strong Bad has never answered an e-mail from a wiki user? Whatever, I guess I should watch this one. Kinda pointless, but hey, I don't have much life beyond Homestar. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)

Actually, they have. montage was sent in by a wiki user. --DorianGray

There's been more than that. There was animal (sent by kerrek slaya) and.... that's it. It makes me wonder, if there's so many wiki users, how could only two have there email picked, out of all the percentage of Homestar Runner fans, that comes out to about 1.4% of emails checked sent by wiki users. There's gotta be more than 1% of fans being wiki fans, right? SaltyTalk! 03:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't shock me in the least if that statistic was exactly right... if not on the generous side. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 03:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Well... actually. If you look at things from a different perspective, 1.4% might not be so bad after all: considering the number of H*R fans that contribute to this wiki (out of ~5,000 registered users, i'd say maybe 1,000 if not less are or have been active and/or legitimate). Let's be generous and say we have 4,000 registered users. I don't know the actual statistics, but I think i read somewhere that TBC has ~1,000,000 hits a month. So i'll be conservative and estimate that there are 500,000 H*R fans in existence. That's roughly 0.8% of the fan population that contributes to the wiki. Less conservative estimates (say 2,500 contributors and 750,000 fans) yield smaller numbers (in this case 0.3333%). So, by comparison, one could argue that the proportions of accepted wikian emails vs. general fan populations is bigger, or something. I should be doing my stats HW instead of this. --Stux 04:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, your forgetting Shim-Sham-Sam, who sent time capsule, NachoMan, who sent portrait, and a certain forum user who sent space program. - Joshua 23:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Sign-in Book" Fun Facts

What about moving all the "Guestbook Fun Facts", (there's over a dozen, from the references of the names, to who's behind the names) into one "Special Fun Fact" subheading? Much like we did with Strong Bad's List Of 3 Letter Words? Perhaps in a table or something? It's kind of hard to figure out just who's who, and why, when the fun facts are all around everwhere. Thunderbird 05:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree to that. I think it'd look neat. Although when I first saw this edit summary, I was thinkin' "Why the crap is he writing about guestbooks here?" --DorianGray
I keep getting edit conflicted, so I'll just leave him to it and mention it here. It somehow needs to mention "Why The Bed", and have a Wikipedia link somewhere there for the person referenced. Thunderbird 05:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I got the main layout finished, anyway. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 05:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The wiki-link for "Mr. Tesmacher" doesn't explain it at all, as far as I can tell the article doesn't have "tesmacher" in it at all. Anybody know anything about Tesmacher to get a better link or something? Thunderbird 05:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Eh, it made sense when there was a separate fact explaining it, which is the only case where I really think that even might be necessary without a better link. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 05:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skull Barette

The skull-and-bone barette that Cara Carabowditbowdit wears is really ringing a bell for me, but I can't quite place it. It's possible that I'm thinking of Elmyra, from Tiny Toon Adventures, who wore a bow in her hair with a skull in the middle, but I still feel like there's someone more directly similar. Some sort of comic strip or comic book character? Anyone? --TheNicestGuy 14:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope, sorry I'm no help with that one. --Stux 22:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Elmyra's hair decoration was pretty different from Cara's. I agree that the skull barette feels like a reference but I'm not sure to what. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 22:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real-world References

The items listed in Bub's guestbook are real people and belong in real world references... just as they do in every single other toon. Just because other H*R character take those name as their pseudonym doesn't negate their existence as a real world reference. Please stop removing that section! I R F 15:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

They were listed as references in the special section. There's no reason to split them up like that. — It's dot com 15:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that this is improper and out of line with every other toon. There is no good reason to seperate those real-world references from the others for the reasons stated above. I kindly ask that you revert your edit on this one. I R F 15:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm fine with it being a special case. (We have other special cases in 50 emails, boring (really), and bottom 10, just to name a few.) If it was just one or two lines, it wouldn't be so bad, but in this case we shouldn't present such lengthy information separately. — It's dot com 15:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys! I was disconnected for a little bit so I missed all the fun. The reason I made the reorganization was as a result of the different edits surrounding this theme. Having this information spread out like this seemed to me a little haphazard and redundant. So I opted to combine all this information into one subsection for clarity. (I originally had Halloween Potion-ma-jig in mind as a framework, but now that I see it, it's a different kind of organization; Dot com's examples are better.) Nevertheless, this structure seemed more logical and reasonable than what had been in place. So I think it is reason enough to break with our typical structure and do things a little differently :) Now, to DO that stats hw i've been griping about for days. --Stux 15:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] floppy disk stuff

This thread has been moved to Talk:Strong Bad Email → Floppy Disk Container due to its relevance to each of the emails, not just this one.

[edit] Real Genius!

Puppet Homestar sings a song from Real Genius in this video from a convention. Coincedence? I think not! Except, I don't know where to put this or even whether it should be put somewhere at all. --smileyface.PNG11945 (Talk/Ctrbs) 16:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Good find, but I don't see what the relevance is to this toon. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
"Homestar's I ♥ Toxic Waste shirt is a reference to the movie Real Genius." Maybe TBC are fans or something. --smileyface.PNG11945 (Talk/Ctrbs) 22:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Type Writer Room

The room where Strong Bad as Cara Caraboutitboutit(sp?) is typing his article, is very similar to the room in The Interview where he is also typing.

Yes, it is. That's why Smoky Office was added to the "Places" section of the page. – The Chort 17:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another goof

Did anyone else notice that there is a grammatical error on the cover of "Scarfgirl" magazine? It should be "Are politics bad?" not "Is politics bad?". I'm not sure if this is worth noting, so I thought I'd mention it here instead and let all of you regulars decide. (originally posted by anonymous poster)

"Politics" is a singular noun, so "politics is ..."/"Is politics ...?" is the correct verb tense usage. Definition 1 from the American Heritage Dictionary (quoted from
(used with a sing. verb) The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.
Political science.
Spell4yr 21:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, also its a teen magazine of some sort so the grammatical error are prolly intentional

Look at the definition I posted, it's NOT a grammatical error. Spell4yr 03:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I stand corrected on the verb agreement; however, you left out an important part of the definition: "Usage Note: Politics, although plural in form, takes a singular verb when used to refer to the art or science of governing or to political science: Politics has been a concern of philosophers since Plato. But in its other senses politics can take either a singular or plural verb. Many other nouns that end in -ics behave similarly, and the user is advised to consult specific entries for precise information." (Also from That is, it is not singular, but it may take a singular verb as well as a plural verb in most of its meanings.
I left out the important usage note because we weren't dealing with plural verbs. Yes, "Are politics bad?" could be correct (I don't really think in that context, personally), but the question was over politics' singularity, not over its ambiguity. Spell4yr 16:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I think since "politics" is short for "political science", the s from "Science" is like, "blended" (not sure how to put this) into the shortened word. It's the same way with "forensic science", which is shortened to "forensics". I guess there's like a new rule that I am inventing with sciences and English. SaltyTalk! 22:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what was wrong with what i added?

well, about when strong bad threw homestar and KOT? Nikolce Kocovski 06:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

You're going to need to tell us what it was you posted before we can answer that. Stuff gets removed around here all the time, but if you let me know what it was, I can probably give you an idea, at least, why it was removed. Heimstern Läufer 06:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
OK, I looked up what it was. The problem is that it isn't a clear enough reference: characters throwing other characters doesn't necessarily refer to Looney Tunes or other cartoons. It may be similar, but we usually only note clear references. That's why it got reverted (I assume). Heimstern Läufer 06:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
TTATOT I R F 17:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

what does TTATOT mean?

Nikolce Kocovski 05:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

This, That, And The Other Thing. It means that, if there are multiple examples, only one or two should be listed. --DorianGray
I was thinking more along the lines of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, when Jazz or Will were often thrown out in the same manner. That would also explain Geoffrey, if TBC had just stayed up late watching Nick@Nite, or something. -- Dragoon5464 20:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uh, The Poopsmith, definite article, stuff

So, the fun facts state that this is the first time The Poopsmith has been named with the definite article. That sentence makes no sense to me. I would like it clarified, but moreover, I would like it deleted. But I'd like to see someone make sense of it. Kimn (Talk | contribs) 02:29, 27 January 2006 (left unsigned)

I think what this means is the like "The Cheat" we find out that his name is "The Poopsmith" rather than the poopsmith, which would be his job. I R F 17:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I added the reference because, when Strong Bad types (and says) "So I'm apparently not The Poopsmith", I noticed that he typed "The Poopsmith" and not "the Poopsmith". The capital "The" in that made this an instance of using the Definite Article, and this was the first time he's been explicitly named as such. In previous toons, he has been called "Poopsmith" without the "The", and Strong Bad has typed "the Poopsmith" (with "the" in lower-case). — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Not notable. First, Talk:Integral Article will explain why the phrase "definite article" was always meaningless. Second, capitalizing the "The" does not qualify it as an integral article. You do the same thing for Bruce "The Boss" Springsteen—he's totally becoming my classic example—and there's nothing unusual about it. Just a title used as a nickname. Third, there are several instances that (arguably, at least) use The Poopsmith with an integral article, much earlier than secret identity. They include "The Poopsmith?" from King of Town Email, "The Poopsmith, for 500 points" from the show, and "The Poopsmith! Trick or Treat!" from 3 Times Halloween Funjob. So I removed the Trivium. But the fact does still get a mention on Integral Article. --TheNicestGuy 00:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Between you and me, it shouldn't be "you and I"

Some IP removed the "The Poopsmith and I" Goof and it went uncaught, so let's start this up again:

The phrase should be "The Poopsmith and me". Strong Bad is committing a common error called hypercorrection. You see, when young or learning English, many people are taught that you shouldn't say, for instance, "Me and you are Homestar Runner fans." This is corrected to: "You and I are Homestar Runner fans." And that's perfectly correct... in the subject of the sentence.

However, what is often not stressed is that in the predicate, "me" should still be "me." "Homestar Runner is watched by you and I" is WRONG. It's "Homestar Runner is watched by you and me." The simple method is to say the sentence:

a) without the person who isn't "I" or "me": "Homestar Runner is watched by me."
b) using "us" or "we": "Homestar Runner is watched by we" is clearly wrong. We = you and I; Us = you and me.

In this case, the sentence sounds wrong as "Have you ever seen we in the same place at the same time?" So the word should be "me". Don't remove the fact. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 04:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homestar's Pseudonym

"Unless the email is not in chronological order, Homestar already has a pseudonym ("Mr. Dee Williams") when he talks about getting one in the Easter egg."

I removed this before, and it got readded. Since I'm not a registered user, I guess I can understand that. My reasoning for this is as follows: Webster's lists the definition of pseudonym as "a fictitious name; especially : PEN NAME". Given that "Cara Caraboutitboutit" was the only one that Strong Bad actually called a pseudonym, I believe TBC is using pseudonym to mean a "pen name" as well. Under that definition, "Mr. Dee Williams" is not a pseudonym. Any thoughts? Is this something that should be voted on? If so, could someone do that? 04:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

A pen name is a pseudonym, but a pseudonym is not necessarily a pen name. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 04:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, not all pseudonyms are pen names; as long as they aren't your real name, it would probably be a pseudonym. I'd accept this fact SaltyTalk! 04:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Still, it seems like kind of a wishy-washy fact. Homestar's not the brightest bulb on the lamp. And even if the sentence is true, why does this need to be pointed out? I'ma STUFF it. — It's dot com 04:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second Family?

If the Mudgemans are Strongbad's second family? Who are his first? I don't think he's refering to the Brothers Strong, because family in this sense means wife and kids. --Swimma Dan

I don't think the Mudgeman thing is meant to be taken seriously. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I dunno... the cutaways in this email seemed a lot more "real" than other recent emails (e.g. highschool). We may see the Mudgemans again. — It's dot com 19:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] strong bad has hit puberty

is it just me or is this the first mention of naked girls, ever, by strongbad or anyone else?

Is it really that notable? --ISlayedTheKerrek 07:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Naked girls? I must have missed that. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
STRONG BAD: Unless some girl asks what room Strong Bad's in. And she's at least a seven out of ten. Or uh {thinks} six if she's naked.
I don't think "puberty" is the correct term here. Strong Bad is out of college and consumes alcohol. He's at least 23 or 24 years old. — Lapper (talk) 19:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Let's not get into Strong Bad's age. In all the 1987 references, Strong Bad was at least an adult. He'd have to be at least 37 by now. --Swimma Dan
Why should we trust strong bads doodle memory? And dont go off saying those pecures wher real. The flashbacks in highschool looked real too.Yo yo mom

[edit] "Pseudonym! Pseudonym!"

Does anyone think that the Strong Sad featured in the Easter Egg is really caffeinated Strong Sad? I know their actions and features were the same, but it seemed as if Strong Sad was simply irritated at Homestar because he used an incorrect version of the word "pseudonym." I mean, it is obvious that Strong Sad would react in such a crazy way to such a minor thing. I just want to see anyone else's perspective here. teeeffoh! 18:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I wrote that particular description in the Easter egg transcript, and I was careful to phrase it "freaked out as though on caffeine", so that the reader would have a frame of reference without actually saying it was indeed caffeine. I personally think it was just stress. — It's dot com 19:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Haha! Strong Sad finally snaps! XD — Threyon 1:48 PM, 04 February 2006 (EST)
Yeah, I'm guessing it's pushed-over-the-edge Strong Sad, not caffeinated Strong Sad. ~ Laramie, Why? ~ 18:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nintendogs taken away also frogger

first a fact in Nintendogs you OWN the dogs you aren't a dog. Second an opinion i would not consider Frogger effeminate. I don't have a name on the wiki but i'm bubbleteas on (I won the week 4 caption contest. SraSibbieBland can vouch for this)

You can always edit pages without a name, or sign up for your free, no money down, no obligations name. And you are correct; I removed a similar fact (referring to just one of those games; Nintendogs, I think) in the past, and now I placed the whole fact in STUFF. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 22:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Was STUFF'd and declined very quickly. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Erm, a game where YOU are a dog, A Dog's Life is a where you are a dog, and the sorts --Coach J 23:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I've got the old version of the email

  • I'm new to the wiki, and i downloaded this email(so i can watch it on computer) and i just so happened to get the OLD version of it, without the Lappy easter egg, and the mr. allen poe goof.

[edit] Closed STUFF

[edit] Pseudofact

Unless the email is not in chronological order, Homestar already has a pseudonym ("Mr. Dee Williams") when he talks about getting one in the Easter egg.

Posted on: 04:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 07:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was declined, 16–15. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/secret identity.

[edit] Dog and frog agog

As Cara Carabowditbowdit, Strong Bad tells women not to play games where you pretend to be a dog or a frog. He is most likely referring to Nintendogs and Frogger, respectively.

Posted on: 22:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 05:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined (and is at least partially patently false), 13–2. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/secret identity.

[edit] Similarity? I think so!

The room and typewriter used by Strong Bad for his advice column are very similar to the ones used by Dangeresque in the Dangeresque film series.

Posted on: 21:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 05:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was unanimously declined, 19–0. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/secret identity.

[edit] Worst reference ever.

The King of Town's line, "Worst mayonnaise party ever", refers to the catchphrase of Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

Posted on: 14:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 05:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 28–7. A proposed revision was also overwhelmingly declined, 18–5. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/secret identity.

[edit] Reference, or just coincidence?

The book title "Laramie, Why?" is a reference to the similar title "Eww, Claire!! Why???" from origins, which was also written by Beverly Sportsinterviews.

Posted on: 14:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 04:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly accepted, 32–4. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/secret identity.

[edit] "buttless" reference specific or general?

The article says that "Buttless in Bedstuy is a reference to Sleepless in Seattle". I don't think there's any evidence that it's specifically referencing that movie title. Letters to advice columns are almost always signed using the "(adjective) in (location)" convention, such as "Confused in Colorado" or "Heartbroken in Halifax". That is where the movie got the phrase from, and the fact that the signature used in the email has the suffix "-less" in the adjective doesn't necessarily make it a reference. I'm going to edit it, and if anyone wants to change it back, please post a comment here. - Uglinessman 15:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Good Advice"

There's this movie called "Good Advice" with Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards that I keep seeing on Comedy Central.. when I watch the Cara Carabowditbowdit part of this e-mail, I can't help but think of this movie. In the movie, Charlie Sheen's character takes over the advice column that Denise Richards' character had been writing, and pretends to be her, giving excuses as to why she isn't coming in to get her paycheck herself and stuff. I don't know if it's really a reference to the movie, but it's a guy writing an advice column, pretending to be a girl, so I figured... maaaybe. ShiversTheNinja 03:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laramie, Why?

This is the dumbest entry yet. I don't care if the voting closed. Laramie is in Wyoming, and I've got a lot of family there, and the classic cheesy joke for anyone who knows anything about Wyoming is that most people call it WHYoming due to the lack of anything interesting there. It's postal abbreviation is also WY, which phonetically is pronounced WHY, so it makes since in the context to have the city first then the state, as in Laramie, WHY. If the author used something remotely similar before, it's okay to mention, but not without mentioning the fact that WHY is a reference to WY, as in WYOMING, and not necessarily the last book that may have ended the same way.

Strong Bad always makes fun of the senders' locations when they're added. It's a running gag of sorts. There's no need to state the state when it's obvious. We have this documented fairly fully on another page; no need to put individual facts on each page. --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 18:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guessing who's who in Bubs' book

I've been able to figure out (and many who see this may have done so as well) most of the identities of the names shown in that Easter Egg.

Mr. Allan Poe = Strong Sad, Mr. Boyardee = Strong Mad (SB called him "Chef Boyardee" back in Portrait.), Mr. Chamberlain = (I haven't figured this one out yet.), Mr. Tesmacher = The Cheat (If the "paid with pencil shavings" and being assigned to "One Grill" didn't give it away.), Ms. Cousteau = Marzipan (The only female member of the cast.), Mr. Five Freddy = Likely Senor Cardgage, Mr. Dee Williams = Homestar, but you all knew that already.

Also, you'll notice that Homestar is assigned to "One Racecar Bed", which could be a reference to Homestar's ordering one in an Answering Machine Egg. -- 03:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you see the Secret Identities page? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh. Never saw that page. Also didn't see where the link was on the article. Guess this can be removed then. -- 05:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Billy Dee Williams

Has anyone picked up on the fact that Homestar's alter ego "Mr. Dee Williams" might be a reference to Billy Dee Williams, who played Lando Calrissian in Star Wars? Feel free to flame me if this has already been pointed out. 08:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, for everyone's identities, see Secret Identities (and the section right above this). --DorianGray 08:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Allan Poe?

Could the "mr. allan poe" in Bubs's book be a reference to the famous Edgar Allan Poe? I'm pretty sure it is, and I didn't see anything about it in the Real-World References section. ~ CoachZ(talk · contribs)~ 18:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It's mentioned in Secret Identities. Homestar-Winner (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Ooooh...yeah. Somehow I always have a knack with presenting something that's already noted somewhere. ~ CoachZ(talk · contribs)~ 00:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sam and Max?!

I just notised, the floppy disk reads sam and max! Shouldn't we talk about sbcg4ap or telltalegames? 11:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it might be both:season 1,2 and hit the road.--Mariofan1000 16:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Um

Okay, I'm probably one of the only people that noticed this. Throughout the entire sbemail, Strong Bad's pants are lighter than usual. --Still Homsar 15:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Neopets

Was Strong Bad referencing Neopets? Wolf O'Donnel 01:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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