Hey There, Dairy Queen
When Strong Bad describes Strong Sad's head as "disturbing soft-serve", it is because Strong Sad's head looks very similar to a scoop of soft serve ice cream.
From: keep cool
Posted on: 21:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- The bump (now called a "flip" for the first time) on Strong Sad's head looks a little like the curl on scoops of soft serve.
- Strong Bad called Strong Sad "Dairy Queen" before in Bug In Mouth Disease.
- The easter egg explains it all.
No need to mention Dairy Queen.
- We should not explain why Strong Bad calls The Cheat a "cheese" (because he's yellow like some types of cheese with black spots that look like holes in Swiss cheese), or why Homestar calls Pom Pom "roundy-man" (because he's spherical, and that shape is often described as round).
- I'ma have to say no to this fact, as that's the joke.
- I would support this if Dairy Queen wasn't mentioned.
- I removed the Dairy Queen reference in the fact.
- Without the Dairy Queen bit this fact becomes pretty redundant (not that I think DQ should be in there).
- I do wonder if the shape of Strong Sad's head was the source of the "Dairy Queen" joke in Bug In Mouth Disease, though.
- It's obviously a reference. Dairy Queen is known for it's soft serve ice cream having the "Curly Q," that is their trademark. They used to advertise that more often than they do now, back when Dairy Queen first opened. Strong Sad's head DOES resemble the DQ Vanilla Ice Cream with the Curly Q. This is why Strong Bad originally called him "Dairy Queen," and this is why he speaks of his head as ice cream like once again. So I vote to accept.
- Perhaps this would be better in the Bug in Mouth page, then?
- I think you might be right.
- This one completely passed me by. You might as well put it in.
- Shifts the focus from explaining the joke to a connection to a previous toon.
- Implicitly points out SB's comparison of SS's head to ice cream for those who may have missed it.
- The context is entirely different. In BIMD, Strong Sad earns the nickname because of something he did, not because of his head.
- How does that explain Strong Sad saying "I made a mistake!" in Bug In Mouth Disease, though?
- Maybe that mistake caused Strong Sad's head to look like the way it does today.
- Complete speculation. Does not justify this fact.
STRONG BAD: Hey, Dairy Queen.
STRONG SAD: I already told you, I don't want to be called that any more! I made a mistake!
- That is a very, very good point.
- Upon reading the context, I'm changing my vote. Strong Sad's similarity to soft serve doesn't need to be pointed out, and apparently this has no relation, since when SB compares SS to soft-serve, DQ isn't mentioned at all.
- Re: arg against - that is irrelevent as the fact is worded.
- No it's not--The fact says that by calling SS "Dairy Queen," SB was comparing him to soft-serve. Clearly, he was not; it had nothing do with his appearance. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can accept this fact. It is basically composed of two facts: "SB compares SS to soft-serve because he looks like soft-serve" (blatantly obvious and useless) and "SB called SS 'Dairy Queen' in another toon" (has no place here); which are only related because Dairy Queen happens to make soft-serve ice cream. It's not even the only place that makes soft-serve ice cream.
- I am torn about this revision, and have been torn about the fun-fact, because this is in fact following a vague pattern, but the arguments are accurate enough to warrant another rewrite: I'd suggest a rewrite that could read as follows: This is the second time Strong Bad has made a soft-serve related joke about Strong Sad. The first was in Bug In Mouth Disease where he called him "Dairy Queen".
- To me, that sounds really, really awkward, and I think any suggested revision would sound awkward, because I don't think the instances are related at all.
- Again, I personally, don't agree. The fact that DQ's main business is Soft-serve ice cream is itself a hint that there is some commonality between the two comments. I actually think that the original joke was intended to have a double meaning.
- Strong Bad's comment is all that is noted here. If the Internet went totally dead after that comment, you'd think the comment was in reference to Strong Sad's head. Strong Sad's response is not noted, and is irrelevent because it's a comedic response. It's supposed to be incongruous, that's an element of comedy. Here, again, Strong Bad makes a comparison to soft serve by mentioning a well-known purveyor of such treats. It's pretty cut and dried to me.
- First, the power almost never goes out at that point (if only the Internet went dead, the toon would still keep playing because your browser loads the whole thing before beginning); therefore, Strong Sad's reaction can and should be taken into account. Second, I still fail to see why we're supposed to make the connection between what Strong Bad says and Strong Sad's head. I'm not saying the connection is impossible, but I am suggesting that it's not likely and certainly not automatic.
- I can say with certainty that even if the cartoon stopped playing immediately after Strong Bad's "Hey Dairy Queen", I would not have thought it referred to Strong Sad's head. Furthermore, the very idea of the cartoon stopping at that point is a fabricated situation. TBC surely meant us to take Strong Bad's insult and Strong Sad's reaction together, and therefore it seems quite clear that Strong Bad calls him "Dairy Queen" because of a past incident (one about which we're supposed to wonder) and not because of the shape of his head.
- Further, should we assume that every statement in HR universe is irrelevant simply because most of them are funny? Just because it's an element of comedy doesn't mean it's not a true statement. Strong Sad would not have said it because it was funny and incongruous; he would have said it because it was, in fact, in reference to a previous event. Just because it's a comedic response doesn't mean it's not evidence against the connection between the two toons.
- After nearly three weeks, we all still seem to be evenly divided on this one and are getting nowhere. Is there any way to hedge a little on the wording, perhaps with a "may be" or something? I could support it if it wasn't presented as absolute fact.
Strong Bad's calling Strong Sad "Dairy Queen
" (a restaurant famous for its soft-serve ice cream products) in Bug In Mouth Disease
could be related to his describing Strong Sad's head as having a "soft-serve flip" in this toon. (Strong Sad previously replied that he didn't want to be called "Dairy Queen" because he "made a mistake!")
- This revision is worded such that its factual accuracy cannot be called into dispute; it presents all the facts and reasonably suggests that they could be related.
- The Bug In Mouth Disease page has stated that Dairy Queen is best known for its line of soft-serve products since the fact added to the page two days after the toon was released (15½ months ago). This does not make the connection to this toon true, but it does mean that it's plausible.
- Says basically the same as the above revision; it's just wordier.
- Yes, Strong Bad called Strong Sad Dairy Queen. Yes, he also called his head a soft-serve flip. There is no real relation between the two since Dairy Queen is not the only place that sell those.
- The connection is too uncertain: even the fact can only say that the two occurrences "could be related".
- The "Soft-serve flip" is refering to the little "folded" shape made from the way soft-serve ice cream comes out of its dispenser. Such shapes are common on almost all fast-food soft-serve treats (ie. McDonalds, Wendy's, etc). Strong Sad's . . . head folds over in a similar manner.
- Even though this revision has the hint of speculation, I believe it is superior to the earlier revision. (Speculation is permitted when it's reasonable and likely.) The reader is given all the relevant information and can judge for him- or herself whether the connection is valid.
- Re first arg against: Yes, it is wordier, but that's a trade-off for making it factually accurate. The problem with the first revision is that we're not really voting on whether it's a reference; we're voting on whether the incident in Bug In Mouth Disease is even true. If the Bug In Mouth incident is true, then this item becomes a no-brainer. If it's not true, then this item would be automatically declined as patently false. Since we're so evenly split on the issue (to an unprecedented degree), it seemed a compromise was in order. As written, this new revision is definitely true, and it tries to take into account all of the objections raised above.
- Re second arg for: Here's a weird thought: Maybe TBC got the idea to call it a flip of soft-serve by reading the wiki page... nah (but you never know).
- This thing grew from an untrue fact into pure speculation. It now just seems like you guys are desparate to get anything that compares the two instances, which are totally unrelated, through STUFF.
- If this fact is declined, this discussion should be included on the talk page. While I don't think the facts are hard enough to place in the article, this is an interesting possible connection. I think the talk page is the best place for this fact.
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