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1 Weekly Fanstuff and Sketchbook linking
2 Two more for the history books
3 Checklist Sign up Sheet
4 Cleanup Committee
5 User space edits
6 Update main page
7 3RR Violation
8 "Fatal Error"
9 Idea for Page
10 Deletion category needing attention
11 General Toons Checklist
12 HRWiki store
13 Discuss before creating a new page
14 Deletion categories
15 Autosummary for replies?
16 Licensing drop-down list
17 MediaWiki system messages
18 Use of id in templates
19 Dropdown Menu Support
20 Personal info of real persons
21 AFJAOBN
22 The Deleteheads Download Blockquote
23 Oldest Downloads Menu Mirror
24 Long-term inactivty
25 Outdated Chat Clients
26 Main Page Redesign Notice
27 @StrongBadActual Bot
- 27.1 Twitter Bot General Discussion
- 27.2 Twitter Bot Technical Notes
28 Interwiki-style updates and maintenance
29 Homestar Runner Updates 20X6
30 Redirect Baleetion
31 Embedded Twitter Timeline: can it work?
32 "General Disclaimer" legal link is broken

Weekly Fanstuff and Sketchbook linking

Hi guys, after adding notes to the Annual Checklist based on some edits OptimisticFool had to make, I realized there must be a better way to do this. Since Weekly Fanstuff 2008 and Sketchbook 2008 already exist and now redirect to their current counterparts (which should from now one with the checklist in place), and since we have anchor redirects, I think the best course of action would be that any new Weekly Fanstuff and Sketchbook links be constructed as [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#anchor name here]] instead of [[Weekly Fanstuff#anchor name here]] (and similarly for the Sketchbook). This would save us the trouble of having to scour for these links at the end of the year, yet they'd still work correctly this year. If we decide to follow this idea, how to we make this note prominent so that editors are aware of them when making such links? --Stux 09:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Occasionally, I do make such links when adding or fixing an anchor, or other similar edits. You make a good point, yes. This should probably be done. Nothing wrong with a little future-proofing. Or redirects, for that matter. That's why we have them. --DorianGray 10:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I've switched the links in that page as discussed above. Following this section I'm guessing we think it's desirable. Comments? --Stux 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's trivial, but I think from WF and SK, the "What Links Here" list is a mess and these are the types of changes that would clean it up. It's a slow day at the wiki, so I think I'm going to get busy on it. (Was going to see the new Indiana Jones movie, but there was a long line, so I gave up and now need something to do.)

OptimisticFool 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Our formatting of the pages has been quite inconsistent over the years, so I created a couple of formatting templates and added them to all the pages. — It's dot com 21:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Two more for the history books

Hey guys, I just ran into these two pages: HRWiki:Block log and HRWiki:Upload log which like HRWiki:Protection log and HRWiki:Deletion log should belong in Category:HRWiki History, but currently do not. They are all protected so I bring these up here. --Stux 15:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Checklist Sign up Sheet

While the Weeklies Checklist has been kept up beautifully. Other checklists like Strong Bad Email, which has become quite complex, (and Podstar Runner is new) seem to be falling into some level of disregard. The most visible and common tasks have been taken care of, but the more tedious ones (like updating {{StrongBadEmailInfo}}) may not be taken care of right away. To that end I would like to propose a Weekly Checklist Sign up Sheet whose purpose is solely to track whether or not one or more users verified that each item in the checklist (except for Strong Bad Email Statistics) was updated. This doesn't mean that the user has to update the list. The signature only means that all the items have been "checked off". This would ensure that at least one pair of eyes went methodically through the list making sure no stone was left unturned. Currently, we have no way of knowing if a person actually went through the checklist, or was just trying to remember some steps from memory. I know some people may think is might be too much, but given how complex some of these lists can be, it is soon becoming a necessity. I welcome your opinions. --Stux 17:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I have something in the works to help with the Strong Bad Email checklist. — It's dot com 20:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup Committee

I have an idea. You probably guessed it from the heading, but I'm starting to feel the need for a committee dedicated to cleaning up the wiki. The various cleanup projects, namely HRWiki:Article Cleanup, which deals with featured articles, have fallen into relative obscurity or the hands of only a few users. The cleanup committee would be similar in concept to the validation committee, but would focus on spelling, grammatical errors, and correct page format. It would also strive to boost the level of clarity and compellingness of our articles. It would also be more organized and hopefully encourage more users to participate in making our fair HRWiki a better and more fun place to be. Does this sound like a good concept at least? -Brightstar Shiner 22:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that it is the responsibility of every active user to cleanup the wiki, therefore having such a committee would be like having a userbox saying "this user edits hrwiki"... — Defender1031*Talk 23:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Please don't shoot me down right away. I know every user is supposed to cleanup the wiki, but the majority don't really pay attention to articles that aren't the newest sbemail or character or what-have-you. What I'm suggesting is a much larger version of Article Cleanup, one that spanned the whole wiki and concentrated on spiffing up what we already have to make it even better. -Brightstar Shiner 23:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

User space edits

Since most userspace edits are nothing more than updating personal info or adding userboxes, is it possible to make a setting that gives users the option to not see them in recent changes? Just a thought. -- Super Martyo boing! 00:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Since the first thing anyone else would say (I know I would) would be "What'd stop vandals from using that option while vandalising other people's user pages?", let me postulate this: Supposing the option only appeared for the user whose page was being edited? This is at least theoretically possible, I'm sure. --DorianGray 00:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

BUT WUT IF THEY SAY NASTY THINGS ABOUT YOU AND YOU TOTALLY MISS THEMS? No, but seriously, what would stop those same users from posting inappropriate material on their own userpage? Bluebry 00:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that the original request was for the user looking at Recent Changes to not see the edits to User-space.... not for the user making the edits to opt-out of their edits showing up there. That said, one can choose "User" from the dropdown, hit the invert checkbox, and bookmark that page. (Or, even change the "Recent Changes" link to it with a custom user javascript).

Green Helmet 01:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Update main page

A while back, someone suggested we update the main page to include links to the multi-lingual welcome pages, but the idea, although it did get a lot of noise made about it, ultimately failed. Since we have had the same style of main page for three and half years now, does anyone else think it might be a good idea to redesign the main page just for the sake of having a new main page? -- Super Martyo boing! 01:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, anyone home? --

Super Martyo boing! 04:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I have said many times that I think this is a good idea, and have even designed several test pages. Right now, however, I've just got too much on my plate to do anything about it. Feel free to try your hand at it, though. — It's dot com 05:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

3RR Violation

See Math Kickers edit history.

Yeah, we don't really have 3RR here. Besides, it's been three reverts, not the four that would be required for a 3RR vio at Wikipedia. Heimstern Läufer

14:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"Fatal Error"

Trying to see a previous vandal edit to Coach Z's article, I'm getting this:

**He has occasionally [[Blubb-O's Commercial|attempted to be sent to prison]], since he would be guaranteed "three square meals a day".
**He has occasionally [[Blubb-O's Commercial|attempted to be sent to prison]], since he would be guaranteed "three square meals a day".
**He [[secret recipes|can't afford "money cost]]" ice cream.
**He [[secret recipes|can't afford "money cost]]" ice cream.

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/hrwiki/public_html/includes/DifferenceEngine.php(1211) : assert code on line 1

I don't exactly get the message, but I think it's trying to ask one of the Administrators to do something ("assert code on line 1"?). I also see the comment "" in the code source. --71.157.173.166 03:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It was a vandalized state of the page that was fixed shortly after. I don't actually know what's in there, but something in the code broke the page good. — Defender1031*Talk 03:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It was just some dumb ASCII art. Nothing to worry about. I took out the link. — It's dot com 04:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Idea for Page

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I had no idea where else to go.
(Maybe this is something that needs to be stated a little clearer?)
I think there ought to be a page about 'Phonebooks' on the HRwiki because of its many mentions:
Eg. in the sbemails 'your funeral' and 'the movies'

I would have made it myself, but I was afraid of messing it up and infuriating fellow users.
Anyone down with the idea? --lustmyeyes <3 05:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It has to have at least 3 references to be a running gag, so no. — MichaelXX2

05:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion category needing attention

To my fellow sysops: We really need to get on cleaning out the deletion category. Things have been sitting in there for months with no discussion. I've done some, but I really would like a little help. Furthermore, as I'm going out of town in a few hours, I may not be able to do much for a bit. If a bunch of us do it, it'll go a lot faster. Heimstern Läufer 09:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I did as best i could with DorianGray's help for actual deletions given my inability to delete. I managed to clear off Category:Pages for Discussion and about a third of Category:Articles for Discussion. The rest of them are either lacking consensus and need more opinions, or else are SBCG4AP-related and outside my ability to really judge or even understand consensus. Hope i helped. — Defender1031*Talk 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

General Toons Checklist

I think that we should have a Generic Toons Checklist similar to the one seen in Talk:Strong Bad Email (albeit shorter). The reason I'm saying this is that little steps such as updating HRWiki:Subtitles/Data have been neglected in the past. While there's no guarantee that the checklist itself won't be neglected, at least we can give some structure to the updates and have a place where we can see a list and make sure we haven't missed anything. Its location would be crucial, and I think Talk:Main Page would be the best place to put it in and it's the place with the most visibility. (The checklist can explicitly point to the correct instuctions when updating Strong Bad Email or Weeklies as well.) What do you guys think? --Stux 13:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm for the idea, though I don't necessarily think it should be on the main page talk. HRWiki:Standards, perhaps? — It's dot com 02:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool! I could have a section there for the checklist (along with links to other checklists from that page, or maybe even group them there so they're at a centralized location? -- I was thinking turning the most prominent ones into their own templates so they could be pasted in both their original and new locations). I would still like to see something in the main talk page linking to HRWiki:Standards so that people know it's there; perhaps by amending the {{Main Page Talk}} header? I'll start on making the checklist and go from there. --Stux 20:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

HRWiki store

The interwiki link needs changing for HRstore:. It is now homestarrunnerstore.com. Thanks! ^{The Gob}^lin!! 13:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! For my own records: http://homestarrunner.stores.yahoo.net/ → http://www.homestarrunnerstore.com/ (We should note that somewhere in an article.) Hmm. The old Yahoo! icon doesn't seem appropriate anymore for the link. What should we use? (Interestingly, on pages where they forget to declare a favicon, it defaults to the Yahoo! one.) — It's dot com 15:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it could be the sign from Bubs' Concession Stand? Nah, it'd be a little redundant because of {{u|cs}}. Maybe mash the H*R and Yahoo! favicons together? —Soiled Bargains ^(talk|ctrb) 23:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Discuss before creating a new page

I'm not sure how it would work, or even whether it's a good idea, but I'd like to float the suggestion that—at least until the current lull is over—no new articles be created without discussion first. (This would apply only to our secondary and tertiary articles—the ones we make to chronicle objects and themes—not toons.) It seems that during the lean times we tend to actively look for articles that can be created, ones that we might not otherwise create. Sometimes this is a good thing; more often, however, it is not. — It's dot com 21:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I actually rather like the idea, but there's no real easy way to implement this beyond what we're already doing. Still, we really *are* just scraping for new content... and it's beginning to boil down to random wiki searches for three instances of something that isn't otherwise noteworthy. I... actually may get it for this, but I'm beginning to wonder if the "three appearances" guideline shouldn't be changed somewhat. Three appearances of something in a webtoon that's been running at a rather constant pace for more than a decade really doesn't seem particularly significant anymore, especially given the incredible periods of time between them (one in 2001, one in 2002, and a very vague offhand mention in 2009 that may or may not even be related?). Maybe expand it to five? I don't know. But we're just creating pages for anything and everything these days, not really caring whether it's interesting or particularly relevant; there're many people on the "for" side of these pages whose argument is solely that they're within the technical guidelines. Not an especially compelling reason, really... but I'm getting off topic. I'd like to hear about your idea some more. -YK

01:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that often articles aren't known if they'll be worth having until they develop some content, true, there are cases where you can tell just by the name that, say, "times homestar has said the word 'then'" won't make a good article. I therefore propose a 3 step process. First, a page in the HRWiki namespace where ideas for articles can be discussed. If it's agreed upfront to be a good idea, the article can skip the intermediate steps and be made immediately in the main namespace. The second step for an iffy article that needs time to develop, is to be made as a subpage of the new article discussions page, out of the way of the main namespace, until it is either approved or rejected. The third step is, obviously, if it is approved, it's moved into the main namespace, and if it's rejected, it ends up in deleto city. If we implement this, it might even be a good idea to disable page creation in the main namespace for regular users, and have the "you cannot create pages" message include a link to the new article discussion page, at least at first, so that people get the message. — Defender1031*Talk 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

While I think this is a good idea for the purposes of running gags and inside jokes, I don't want to sit around and wait for one of my tablature pages to clear committee. If we implement this somehow, I don't think we should turn off page creation for normal users (unless someone wants to promote me to temporary sysop, but that seems impractical, and also, I would ideally not be the only one working on tabs). --

Super Martyo boing! 08:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. This idea seems to have died from lack of support, and even I wasn't super gung-ho on it to begin with. — It's dot com 18:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to revive this discussion. I support the discussion of pages, not as a mandatory requirement for all articles, but as an optional thing. I have a whole bunch of pages I'd like to create, but I'm not sure whether they're good enough. I can't really start a discussion, because there's no centralized place to do that. A simple [[HRWiki:Article Discussions]] page or something of the sort would be good. Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 23:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Deletion categories

We need to clean out Category:Articles for Discussion, Category:Pages for Discussion, and Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion. Some pages have been in those categories for nearly a whole year. Can we please clean them out? Rick Tommy (edits) 07:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

It's kind of hard to clean out the former, since consensus needs to be reached, and I'm sure that a sysop will get around to the latter eventually. --

Super Martyo boing! 07:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

RickyTommy, we keep telling you not to police the wiki because you're overdoing it. Please stop telling people what they should do. I mean it. Loafing

07:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't tell anyone what they should do. I was just pointing out those categories and the lack of attention they're getting. Rick Tommy (edits) 07:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I must have misunderstood "We need to clean out..." as saying that we need to clean out these categories. Loafing

07:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, maybe I was a bit rude when I said that, but I'm unable to clean out those categories myself, as some of the articles probably have consensus to delete. ~~PS. Should we make a page like Wikipedia's Articles for Deletion page, and give pages a limited time (like a week, just like at Wikipedia) to be discussed?~~ Never mind, with the lack of users using this Wiki at present, such a page wouldn't work that good. Anyway, should we start cleaning out those categories? Rick Tommy (edits) 06:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

And this topic just dies down. I really don't want those articles to stay like that forever. Again, can we please clean the categories out? Rick Tommy (edits) 07:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the category should be cleaned out. It's been eight years!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 17:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Almost nine years!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Almost ten years!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 01:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Autosummary for replies?

Could we have an automatic summary for replies on talk pages? Who knows how many countless hours everyone has spent typing "reply" and variations thereof. Considering that that's more of a custom than a standard, I guess it might be a little unnecessary, but if it would be easy to do I'll be your best friend. —Soiled Bargains ^(talk|ctrb) 18:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. In Dot com's case, he usually puts a general summary of what he said in the description. I usually try to do it too. Really I don't think it's necessary to have it and it would be more of a nuisance than a convenience to have it done automagically. — MichaelXX2

19:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the system could reasonably be expected to distinguish between bona-fide replies and other kinds of edits. Even in the most clear-cut case (text is added at the end of a section on a new line; no text is changed or removed; the text begins with one more colon than the previous line and ends with a four tildes for a signature), I still don't think I'd want the system making assumptions. Given how easy it is to navigate to the summary field, type "reply", and submit the form (without even using the mouse), the "countless hours" argument rings hollow for me. Sorry. — It's dot com 21:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I'd also point out that the system DOES automatically put the name of the section in. If you don't make an edit summary, as I'm purposely leaving one out of this particular edit, it's generally assumed anyway to be a reply. I mean, come on, you probably saw this edit and thought it was a reply, right? Right? — Defender1031*Talk 23:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Licensing drop-down list

Could a sysop or admin kindly populate MediaWiki:Licenses with the image copyright tags that have been created over the past few years? It would aid in choosing the right license when uploading. Please and thanks, Soiled Bargains ^(talk|ctrb) 22:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki system messages

I had a few concerns for the sysops regarding some of the MediaWiki system messages. Please delete/modify or just comment on the following:

Message	Default Current	Concern	Decision / remark
MediaWiki:Anononlyblock	anon. only anonnies only	"anonnies"?	"Hey, anonny, why don't you go... brush up on your knowledge of the Homestar Runner body of work or something and not attribute it to yourself!"
MediaWiki:Autoredircomment	Redirected page to $1 redirect to $1	present tense? lowercase? also, why not just default?	preference
MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank	Blanked the page blanked the page	lowercase? why not just default?
MediaWiki:Autosumm-replace	Replaced content with '$1' replaced the page with '$1'	lowercase?
MediaWiki:Clearyourcache	Note - After saving, you may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. Mozilla / Firefox / Safari: hold Shift while clicking Reload, or press either Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-R (Command-R on a Macintosh); Konqueror: click Reload or press F5; Opera: clear the cache in Tools → Preferences; Internet Explorer: hold Ctrl while clicking Refresh, or press Ctrl-F5. {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}\|Special:Preferences\|'''See [[Help:User Preferences]] for help deciphering the options.''' <nowiki>}}</nowiki> Note: After saving, you may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. *Mozilla / Firefox: hold down Shift while clicking Reload, or press Ctrl-Shift-R (Cmd-Shift-R on Apple Mac) *Safari: press Cmd-Option-E *IE: hold Ctrl while clicking Refresh, or press Ctrl-F5 *Konqueror: simply click the Reload button, or press F5 *Opera users may need to completely clear their cache in Tools→Preferences.	I recommend we delete MediaWiki:Clearyourcache and move "See Help:User Preferences for help deciphering the options." onto MediaWiki:Preferences-summary.	The entire preferences page was reworked beginning with the next version. This will need to be reviewed once we upgrade (whenever that is).
MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage	Template:disambig HRWiki:Links_to_disambiguating_pages	supposed to designate which template(s) are used to mark disambiguation pages. non-default setting breaks the functionality of Special:Disambiguations. also, HRWiki:Links to disambiguating pages is possibly pointless.	This was set in the earliest days of the wiki and should be reviewed and probably removed.
MediaWiki:History-title	Revision history of "$1" Revision history of $1	removal of quotes, just different for seemingly no reason - why not just default?	preference; likely inspired by the same change at Wikipedia
MediaWiki:Mailmypassword	E-mail new password Email new password	~~"Email" generally should be spelled "E-mail"~~ nevermind, but still why not just keep the default?	"Never mind" should be two words. Never_mind, then ;-) -- I guess I figured out why we have non-default on this, anyway -- probably for consistency with the H*R spelling, which is usually (always?) non-hyphenated. LobStoR 20:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Movenologintext	You must be a registered user and logged in to move a page. You must be a registered user and logged in to move a page, or this page may be protected from page moves.	This message is not even displayed for protected page move attempts. (in that case, it displays MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext, which is defaulted to "This page has been locked to prevent editing.")	This change was probably correct back when it was implemented but after various upgrades is now out of date. It should be reviewed and probably removed.
MediaWiki:Right-edit	Edit pages Edit this page	Incorrect grammar for the list at Special:ListGroupRights edit: also feeds MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction "You do not have permission to $2, for the following reasons:"	We need to see where else this is used. Obviously it was changed for some reason, but the change could be out of date and may need to be removed. If it's still current, then the amount of sense made on the group rights page (grammar is not a problem per se) is potentially a secondary concern, not a primary one I think it's $2 in MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction -- "You do not have permission to $2, for the following reasons:" LobStoR 20:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please check these out, and leave comments regarding any decisions on any of these. Thanks, LobStoR 18:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I replied to your, ahem, concerns. Thanks, Chaps, for not burdening us with more pressing matters, like toons, so we can take care of stuff like this. — It's dot com 19:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, really helps us... err... refine our wiki :-)

LobStoR 19:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I set the table row color by status -- green=pending, grey=no action.

LobStoR 20:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Use of `id` in templates

As work was being done on sightings pages, I noticed that {{sightingslanguagewarning}} makes use of the id attribute for its box. Its value, which references another template that has the same thing, is "inprogress". The id attribute is, in part, the replacement for the name attribute, which creates an anchor: a "link" to a specific part of the page.

Two ids can never be the same on a page, as stated in this sentence from section C.8 of the XHTML 1.0 specification:

The values of these attributes must be unique within the document, valid, and any references to these fragment identifiers (both internal and external) must be updated should the values be changed during conversion.

If a value for id is used more than once, it will invalidate the page, as demonstrated in this link (here's the code). Three errors are from multiple occurrences of the same id value. The remaining five demonstrate that there is a format to be followed, and an invalid format throw an error. In this example, headings that start with a number or special character generate invalid id values (see C.8). This is something MediaWiki does and it's practically out of our control. Note that headings with the same name are handled by MediaWiki to an extent.

Looking through MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Monobook.css, the only selection by id that's of concern is #navbox. However, those style rules are also applied to the class navbox, and I believe that most if not all navigation templates get their styles from using the class attribute.

Lastly, if this rant seems familiar, I did go on about the use of this attribute on table rows a year and so ago.

In summary, I wish to recommend that users be cautious as to add id attributes to templates, or anything that may be used more than once on a page, and, likewise, using this attribute to apply styles. In addition, I wish to recommend that users who see an id attribute causing a ruckus resolve it in some manner or remove it. —Soiled Bargains ^(talk|ctrb) 21:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Dropdown Menu Support

Will the HRWiki be compatible with dropdown menus sometime? Purple Wrench has a great idea for a restyling of the @StrongBadActual page, but a dropdown menu that would allow him to compact all the transcripts would benefit the page greatly. - Catjaz63 03:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

To generalize, having any sort of hide/show functionality for a section of text would help. In addition, the page (both as it appears now and if my redesign is used instead) will appear broken unless the issues regarding automatic resizing of gifs are sorted out. I am aware that both of these tasks are not trivial, but they would be necessary for a page that has the potential to grow very quickly and be populated with gifs. -- ■■ PURPLE WRENCH ■■ 12:28, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Sometime? Yes! Soon? Well... no promises, but I do intend to get back into active development for this site, and creating a better user experience for this day and age is tops on my list. — It's dot com 22:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

If you just configured the server to resize twitter sillysoolnds.gif correctly, I thank you for doing so. There are a few more gifs I uploaded in August for @StrongBadActual that don't resize yet (this and this). -- ■■ PURPLE WRENCH ■■ 12:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Looks like they're both working now too. Thanks! -- ■■ PURPLE WRENCH ■■ 19:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Personal info of real persons

I did a little digging and couldn't find anything on this subject (if anyone knows where we've talked about it before, please link to it here). Lately there's been an uptick of personal information on articles about real people that seems a little... over the line. I can't say for sure because to my knowledge we've never actually defined a line (other than limiting certain information about minors). So what should the line be? Obviously anything mentioned directly on the official site is fair game, but thus far we haven't limited ourselves to that. We include information from interviews and the like. That said, just because a scrap of data can be found on an obscure website somewhere doesn't automatically mean it should be here. This is a bit unfocused, so I think I'll stop talking and open the floor for others' thoughts and concerns. — It's dot com 17:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

There's all sorts of information about practically everyone in the world which really ought to be private information, which most people would probably prefer if it would remain private information, but which, because of the age we live is, is now easily accessible to anyone on the internet. I think that the natural cutoff point here is probably that anything which has been deliberately publicized in relation to The Family Chaps's creative endeavors is fine, but that out of respect to their privacy, information from any other source which is not directly linked to their public lives as writers/producers should be off-limits. Practically, that would mean that we should avoid making use of things like phonebook databases, people search services, background check engines, etc. On the other hand, any information from the toons, DVD commentaries, interviews, press releases, Strong Bad's social network accounts, TBC's other projects, and even databases like IMDB which are specifically geared toward the video entertainment industry ought to be fair game. I think it's only common decency to say that we don't publish any information that TBC themselves haven't already indicated is intended to be in the public eye. — Defender1031*Talk 17:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Please excuse my brevity, but I wholly agree with Defender's definition of "the line". Just because information can be found doesn't mean it should all be published. In addition to that, I believe that a new Policy page be created to specifically explain what the line is and why we've drawn it. --Stux 13:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with DeFender and Stux.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 18:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

AFJAOBN

I think that HRWiki:April Fools' Jokes and Other Baleeted Nonsense has run its course. The wiki hasn't done a proper gag in years, and every single "prank" done by users is lame. No offense, but changing your sig and your user page has been done. I get the strong feeling some people come back once a year just so that they can do something that gets posted on that page. I'd really like to lock it, and unless somebody can make an extremely good case for why it needs to stay open, I plan do to so. — It's dot com 02:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, I think some people enjoy it and it isn't harming anyone or anything soooo... I feel like that's a pretty good reason? TheThin gé 02:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

For about five years running you did exactly what I was talking about. The harm is that it's disruption not to be clever or funny but for its own sake. — It's dot com 02:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Dot com. It was total loads of fun back in the wiki's heyday when we had a lot of active users who would do April Fools' stuff, and then would continue to interact with each other in ways relating to their joke. Now that the wiki is pretty much dead save for a handful of people, that isn't really how it happens anymore. We're basically left with a few edited userpages that no one would even be looking at were it not for the edits being made to them, along with some other disruptive behaviors such as adding nonsense that no one cares about to talk pages that no one has looked at in years. At this point, it's all just become stale. Sadly, there's not enough of a userbase for it not to be stale. We had a good run, but until and unless TBC start updating weekly again and we get a huge influx of users which causes the wiki to return to its former glory, we need to put Apro Foo Day out to pasture. — Defender1031*Talk 11:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm here in support of DC's and DeFender's position. These days some users just simply want to one-up the previous year's or another user's randomness. I'm fine with just keeping this page locked for historical purposes. --Stux 12:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. This particular April Fools' Day has had more participants than any of the previous four years - without coinciding with a H*R update, no less. Rick Tommy (edits) 13:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not suggesting a wholesale ban on users changing their sigs or whatever they've been doing; I just don't think we should keep a record of it anymore. (If we ever do a wiki-wide prank again, that can still be noted.) — It's dot com 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The April Fools’ Day page has brought so many people joy.
And by “so many”, I mean those few it did not annoy.
And if it’s locked forever, never to be changed again,
Then April’s reemergence of those old users will end.
No more rare appearances of people lost to time,
Like wind caressing crystals in forgotten caves and mines.
The truth is if the page gets its abilities revoked,
That marks the end of The_thing’s twelve year streak of stupid jokes.
And yes I know that certain men would love to see me sad,
I purposely have vexed you for a decade, is that bad?
So, if you must, protect the page and ruin all those dreams
Left gazing into voids of empty memories unseen.

TheThin gé 17:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Did you even read my comment above? We have no current plans to stop people from doing the stupid stuff they do on April 1. The only difference is we're not going to record what they do in a centralized place. If that's a dealbreaker—in other words, if someone is doing something only so they can be listed on that page—then they're doing it for the wrong reasons. That's precisely what locking the page aims to curb. — It's dot com 19:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Personally I liked having all of the stuff in one place, so a user could look through all of them at once on any given day of the year. That said, I definitely see both sides of the issue here. If the page is locked... okay, it's still there for posterity. Then I'd just take the list of stuff I did and stick it on a page in my own userspace, and in that case I'd recommend other users do the same. -- ■■ PURPLE WRENCH ■■ 23:50, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

You're free to list your own stuff, I guess, but we're not going to move a centralized list to the user space. — It's dot com 23:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The Deleteheads Download Blockquote

I made a blockquote-type thing for the page The Deleteheads Download, but I can't add it because I can't edit MediaWiki:Common.css. Can a sysop add this? Feel free to make any changes!

 .DeleteheadsDownload<!--you can change the title to whatever you want--> {
    background: url(/images/c/c8/DeleteheadsDownloadBackground.png) repeat-y;
    padding: .5em 1em 1em;
    width: 600px
 }

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 00:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. I went with just .deleteheads and made some small adjustments to the padding and width. — It's dot com 00:41, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Oldest Downloads Menu Mirror

Dear Sysops:
I CoachZiscool1978 request that you create a mirror for the Oldest Downloads Menu. It may take as much time as it needs but, I have overwhelming support... (by overwhelming I mean one Gfdgsgxgzgdrc.) Still! I hope you do it for me, in your eyes, I'm a wiki user, In my family's eyes, I'm a son, or grandson, or even nephew but in my heart I'm a Homestar Runner fan and I'm a historical preserver...
Anxiously awaiting a reply: CoachZ is cool1978

I've changed it to a local mirror. -- Tom 01:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Long-term inactivty

Wikipedia (and if I'm not mistaken, every other Wiki in existence) has recently taken to desysopping admins who have not edited in a long time. Any chance we could do the same thing? Rick Tommy (edits) 10:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

And the reason to do this would be...? --Jay (Gobble) 10:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I slightly agree. After all, what's the point of an administrator who hasn't edited in a decade? By my calculations, about 1/5 admins haven't edited in eight or more years.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 20:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Here's a full list of admins' most recent edits:

2019 x5
2018 x2
2017
2016 x2
2015

2014 x2
2013 x2
2011 x3
2010

2009 x2
2008 x2
2006 x2
2005

We have five active admins (those who have edited this year), eight inactive admins (those who have edited since 2014), and thirteen admins with practically no chance of ever editing again (those who haven't edited since 2014). That means exactly half of the admins haven't edited since April Fool 2014. Seven of them haven't even edited this decade. And the decade is practically over!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Speaking of inactive sysops, there should probably be a few more sysops to replace the old ones. The last time someone was promoted was in 2007, and that user hasn't edited in over eight years. There are a lot of helpful active users nowadays who could do a lot of good with admin priv-a-le-ges... I guess. The wiki might run more smoothly and effectively when there aren't a select few people doing all the important stuff. Things might get done faster this way.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 02:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

What things do you think are not getting done? -174.62.238.201 13:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that things like deleting pages, blocking vandals, discussions (like the ones on this very page), getting approval for important decisions (like this one), and so forth — even smaller, less important things, like changing the CSS for holidays or updating the featured content — might be done more quickly with more people involved. Also, the wiki runs on an outdated and unsupported version of MediaWiki from ten years ago, which is a bit dangerous for our security, and more active sysops might help fix that. In short, I think more help would be helpful.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 22:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Of the things you listed, the only thing that really even applies to sysops is blocking vandals, which is generally a matter of luck as to whether there will be an active sysop when vandalism happens. True more sysops meaans more likelihood of there being one on when a vandal hits, but we don't get all that much vandalism and it's usually taken care of relatively quickly. As for the rest, let me explain why they don't apply to sysops:

Deleting pages - Most of the undeleted pages are due to lack of consensus on deletion discussions rather than lack of sysops to perform the deletions.
Discussions - Anyone on the wiki can participate in discussions. You don't need to be a sysop to do that. Again, this is more a matter of a lack of general inactivity than it is lack of sysops. Having more sysops is not going to encourage more activity.
Getting approval for important decisions (like this one) - Only site admins can approve new sysops. Anything else that needs approval is done by consensus, not by sysop authority. There may be actions that only a sysop can take to make something happen once consensus has been reached, but as with deletion, it's a matter of having enough activity to get consensus.
And so forth - And so forth.
Changing the CSS for holidays or updating the featured content - I believe that there are elements of both of these that can only be done by a site admin rather than a sysop, and at least the former tends to be done on a pretty reasonable timeframe.
The wiki runs on an outdated and unsupported version of MediaWiki - This one is definitely something that can only be done by a site admin. I'm certain they are aware of it and have plans to deal with it.

In short, I doubt there's much need for more sysops, and the issues you raise mostly have more to do with general inactivity anyway. One last thing I'd point out is that the wiki's general sysop nomination policy is "don't call us, we'll call you", that suggestions to add more sysops have historically been met with suspicion and resentment from regular users, and that generally only the site admin team decides whether and when more sysops are necessary. — Defender1031*Talk 23:51, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, okay. That makes sense. Nevermind then!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 02:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Outdated Chat Clients

Moved from HRWiki talk:FAQ

I know for sure that there's still plenty of buzz going around about Homestar and the gang (Especially with the new sbemail released), but my concern is that not a whole lot of people use IRC anymore, I propose that the Admins make an Official Homestar Runner Wiki Discord Server. This way we can do get together and make editing and sharing thoughts a lot easier (If this already exists, Great! Let's try to make it more known) — DonPianta (Talk | contribs) 19:43, 17 August 2017 (left unsigned)

I agree. IRC Channels are horribly outdated and this would be a great improvement for Wiki discussion. -

Catjaz63 22:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree as well.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 02:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Now that the topic has been brought up again by an anonny, I still think this is a good idea. I've been on the IRC channel a few times, and it is very inactive. Plus, you can only see messages posted when you are online, whereas with Discord, you can view all messages, making discussions more convenient. This way, you don't have to be online 24/7, and if you exit, you can go back and read messages you've missed. Discord is less outdated and more useful in nearly every way.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 18:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, this is an especially good idea considering how inactive the forum has been. Discord is a good alternative way to discuss toons and updates, and is practically guaranteed to be more active than the forum, considering how many people use Discord.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 23:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Guess what else is inactive? The Wiki. And as I've said numerous times, there's no point in making a significant change to a Wiki that has lost most of its userbase. Rick Tommy (edits) 02:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

You use that as your excuse for everything. Yes, the wiki is less active than it used to be. So what? Why should that keep us from making changes to improve it, and maybe even make it more active? And who's to say this wiki won't become more active over the years? We may not have that many users right now, but the users we do have would surely appreciate a more convenient way to communicate. Inactivity shouldn't stop us from making a better wiki.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 06:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

How is making a discord channel a “significant change to the wiki” even? -174.62.238.201 15:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Um, what is this... "Discord" you speak of? Is a... food? Shoehorned referencing aside, I know I'm only an anonymous contributor that only shows up for small things. I have to admit I haven't logged on to a forum for ten years (ugly memories) and have no social media accounts (I believe they are places of evil that consume their user's brains). So I'm a a lot behind the times and I prefer it that way. So I guess having a dedicated chatroom doesn't really apply to me that much. Guess I'll probably go back to expressing myself in edit summaries and hope I'm understood. 68.37.43.131 13:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Right now, we have three users in favor, and one opposed. Anyone else? I see many reasons to do it, and no reasons not to. I think it'll make everything more convenient, and the wiki more active.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

In order to revive this proposal, here is a list of advantages Discord has over IRC.

On IRC, you can only see messages sent during your session, which means if you want to see all messages, you have to be online 24/7. On Discord, you can see every message at any time, so you don't always have to be online. It's less of a commitment.
It's far more convenient. You can have multiple channels per server, so we can dedicate one to announcements, another for serious discussions, one for welcoming new users and explaining the rules, one for discussing site updates, and so forth.
No one uses IRC. I don't just mean it's outdated (even though yes, it's definitely outdated, and usage has been declining steadily since 2003), but no one on the wiki is ever online. Discord, on the other hand, is used by many. I usually keep it open in a tab in the background, so if I want to drop in, I'd just have to click the HRWiki server icon. The Fanstuff Wiki 2 server is quite active, and used by a few HRWiki users, and it's not even official.
In order to research these examples, I tried going on IRC, but it wouldn't let me answer the security question (it just showed a blank white screen), so I couldn't enter. That's a sign that we severely need a new method of chat.
Wikimedia has its own Discord server. Why shouldn't we do the same?

Just think of the possibilities. With an active chat, discussions can be resolved faster, proposals can be implemented quicker, ongoing discussions can be grouped together in one central area, more users would be encouraged to participate, and the live nature of it makes it easier to communicate. We would usher in a new era of the wiki, free of stagnant proposals like this one. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but still, I can see no reason not to do this. So far, the only reason against it has been "it's not worth it", but setting up a server would take all of one minute. I would go ahead and make a dedicated HRWiki server myself, but then it wouldn't be deemed official. So, do the admins have an opinion on this? Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 00:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll throw my vote in for Discord. Guybrush20X6 00:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I've also occasionally suggested setting up a Discord server to my fellow sysops, so I'm highly in favour of an official wiki one. For those who do still use IRC, I know bridge bots exist to link the IRC and Discord chat together (I'm in a server that uses one, so I have direct help if we want/need to set one up). I'm also told it would also be remarkably easy to set up a Discord bot that imitates the functions of our RCBot that keeps track of the recent changes. I'll be honest, that's actually what I use the IRC for most often, and largely the reason I'm still active on the wiki. I'd love to move to Discord and even be able to keep track of the wiki on my phone. Let's bring wiki chats into the 21st century~ --DorianGray 01:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

As one of the few Luddite holdouts on IRC, I'd like to see the technology not be fully abandoned in favor of shiny walled gardens with fancy bells and whistles. If an official Discord channel is created I would definitely like to see a bridge bot implemented so those of us "on the fringe" can still stay in touch. I'd hate to see something like Mozilla where they completely abandoned IRC and moved everything to Matrix. Matrix is probably one of the more open options out there, but to me this always means having to install and try out new software just to try and get connected. I'd rather not have to try new software for every project out there. And several of the concerns above aren't necessarily valid (IRC does let you have multiple channels, bouncers help with the 24/7 problem, and the hrwiki IRC client doesn't work because it ran on Java, which was killed faster than Flash was.) Most of the issues with using IRC are technical, which gives most people a hard time and dissuade them from trying out the technology, so I can understand the decline in interest. So, again, I would prefer to have options where everyone can use their favourite technology and still remain in touch. (There was also a comment above I'd like to echo: current IRC usage reflects current wiki usage. Discord usage might face similar trends.) Okay, enough ranting. Have a good night everyone! --Stux 03:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Just a point of order, even if we did set up a Discord server, all wiki content and policy discussions would still have to take place—or at least be duplicated—on wiki talk pages, so I don't know that anything would necessarily be resolved any faster. — It's dot com 02:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Exactly, I'm not saying we should abandon IRC entirely, but it shouldn't be our sole method of real-time, off-wiki communication. The best option is to be able to have, well, options. As for "Discord usage may reflect wiki usage", that is a likely possibility, but not an inevitability. As I've said, I already keep Discord open in a tab on my computer, and I'm sure many others do the same, so making a comment there will probably be easier than doing the same on the wiki. The Homestar Fanstuff Wiki 2 Discord, for instance, is more active than the wiki it's based on, because Discord is just that popular. I am aware that these discussions would have to be duplicated on the wiki, but that's better than stagnant discussions that go nowhere. Sure, a Discord server probably won't change much, but on the other hand, maybe it will, so why not?

Also, I apologize for speaking so harshly against IRC earlier. I wasn't aware that my concerns were invalid, and should have done more research before discussing the features IRC was seemingly lacking. But still, even if these features are present on IRC, they are more streamlined on Discord.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd love to see an official HRWiki Discord server happen as well :) I'd join it in a heartbeat. It would be a great way to help energize the H*R community and provide another place to get people talking about H*R again. — Kilroy / talk 19:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Anyone up to taking up the glove and setting up a discord channel? I'm all for it. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 09:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Tom created HRWiki:Discord server.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 22:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Main Page Redesign Notice

In just over a week, it will be the two year anniversary of the suggestion to redesign the Main Page. The discussion hasn't been very active, and hardly anyone is contributing, despite the fact that this could be one of the largest, most important wiki edits in years. I suggest putting a header over the Main Page, recent changes, or even the entire wiki. After all, we did it when we were redesigning the logo. Something like this, perhaps:

The Homestar Runner Wiki is considering redesigning the Main Page.
Your votes would be greatly appreciated.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 20:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

The main page is still outdated, and not much is being done about it. I think this notice would be a good way to inform users of the update, and get more peoples' opinions.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 05:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

One somewhat related thing I'd like to point out: the new page design includes twitter updates, however tweets have not been regularly updated since around october. I think that activating the new design (in whatever form it may have) requires a concerted effort to regularly update these tweets. (And I, personally, do not have the time to help out with said task.) --Stux 13:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be updated regularly just yet, but when it replaces the main page, I'll make sure it stays updated.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 20:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Anyone else have an opinion on this? This is a good way to get more users into the discussion and finally get a consensus on possibly the most important wiki decision of recent times.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

It has been over three years since the update was suggested, and I think it's at least as important as changing the logo, which had a notice above the recent changes. There is so much empty space and outdated information on the current main page, and the new one is much more informative and aesthetically pleasing in my opinion, and yet nothing is being done about it.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:35, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding this notice is another obvious decision that I would make myself if I had the rights. The Main Page is undergoing a major necessary change, but nothing's changing without involvement. And what better way to get involvement than from a technique we've used before? It seemed to work fine when we did it for the new logo.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 00:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I generally try not to "bump" discussions with nothing more to add than "This still hasn't happened", but... yeah, this still hasn't happened. And not only that, but no one has commented on the suggestion. I find the new main page so much better in so many ways, and each day it pains me to know that it is merely rotting away in the HRWiki namespace, for I know not when its beauty may be unleashed unto the world for all wiki-goers to gaze upon in awe and profound admiration for years to come. So, bump.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Count in my vote for a redesign notice. It seems like one of the best ways to get this www dot main page redesign on the road dot com, and that seems like a thing that should happen. Lira (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Most users probably aren't even aware of the redesign, as it only shows up on recent changes occasionally. This would be a way to raise awareness of the project, since we need much more involvement if we want to have consensus. Now that there's a voting page for users to easily give their input, now's a better time than ever.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 22:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with a main page header, I only noticed it because I crawl around Recent Changes and other talk/project pages. The most-voted-on one only has five votes and there are more active users than that. -- Bleu Ninja

17:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@StrongBadActual Bot

Twitter Bot General Discussion

I was thinking, since we have a bot that automatically checks homestarrunner.com's XML files and updates the XML Sources page, is it possible to do the same thing for @StrongBadActual? They're usually out of date, and it takes a while to update. After a certain interval of time, the bot could check for new Tweets or replies, and edit the page accordingly. The text, date, ID, and reply username (if applicable) would automatically be added, and fun facts and other information can be added manually. Can it work? Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 23:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea, but unless you want to code it yourself and turn it over to the wiki, I wouldn't look for it anytime soon. — It's dot com 23:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It certainly would be nice not having to visit Twitter to see Homestar Runner Twitter-exclusive updates. I don't understand coding, but the general idea is to have a bot scanning the @StrongBadActual Twitter feed for updates, read them, and then update the HRWiki with the relevant data in the correct format. Sounds like a tall order. But given the kind of site Twitter is, I'd wonder if such a The Tweetbot would either be shut down by or lucratively financed by Twitter if discovered. You think some type of B4KDØR H4XXØR has already written some type of Edgarware that can do that sort of thing? 68.37.43.131 04:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I mean, twitter does have APIs for exactly this sort of thing, and I've seen other bots for automatically posting tweets to facebook or discord, so twitter actually wants people to do this sort of thing, and there's no B4KDØR H4XXØR even required. The issue here is that the admins probably don't have the time to actually do it, what with the whole "they don't get paid for any of this and that would be majorly time consuming" thing... — Defender1031*Talk 11:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I know this is an old discussion, and I don't really spend any time on Twitter at all or know how to use a Twitter bot, but the wiki's Twitter archive pages still aren't being updated regularly. I'm just thinking of suggesting that if someone does create a Homestar Runner Wiki twitter updater bot, could we call it the Fat Bluebird, or some variation thereof? (Gave me a chuckle, anyway). -- 68.37.43.131 00:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

That's a clever name, and it fits with other bot names, like The Cheatbot. I like it. And since I know nothing about bots, I'll try to help as much as I can by creating a detailed description to guide the bot-makers.

Guide has been moved here.

Hope it helps! Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 05:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gfd, I hope you don't mind me pulling your guide into its own separate subsection. I've also copied the wishlist to create a single reference point for bot development. Cheers! --Stux 08:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Twitter Bot Technical Notes

Things to detect:

Tweet ID
Tweet Date and time in UTC
Number of images
Tweet text
If there is a video
Whether the Tweet is a reply
- Which username the reply was to
Whether the Tweet has a link (in a clickable box, not just a URL)
- The URL of the link
Whether it is a Retweet
- Which username Tweeted it originally

Things to do:
{{{Triple brackets}}} represent variables.

If...	Then...
There is a Tweet	Add this to the top of the table: {{post \|id={{{POST ID}}} \|date={{{DATE}}} }}
There is text	Add `\|text={{{TEXT}}}`.
There is an image or video	Add `\|pic=Nophoto.PNG`.
There are multiple images	More lines, increasing the number (`pic2`, `pic3`) each time.
It is a reply	Add `\|reply=[[twitter:{{{USERNAME}}}\|@{{{USERNAME}}}]]`.
There is a link with a box	Add `\|link=[{{{URL}}}]`.
It is a Retweet	Add `\|retweet=[[twitter:{{{USERNAME}}}\|@{{{USERNAME}}}]]` in place of "text".

Examples:
This Tweet would be added by the bot as:

{{post
|id=1078803198125723648
|pic=Nophoto.PNG
|text=Today in obvious news: Videlectrix is suing Boardelectrix for causing Stinkoman Level 10 to be delayed. Naturally, they made a trailer to announce the delay.
|date=28 Dec 2018
}}

This reply would be added by the bot as:

{{post
|id=1089171328089948160
|text=Aw man! You coulda at least linked to my official YT page for that email that has decent sound and less ripped-from-the-web jankiness.
|reply=[[twitter:AndrewDMth|@AndrewDMth]]
|link=[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90X5NJleYJQ&feature=youtu.be]
|date=26 Jan 2019
}}

Bot Goals and Requirements:

Wish copied from Tweet Update Progress notice here.

Wish: A Twitter bot that would automatically update tweets (Fat Bluebird)
- needs account and API access,
- would be limited by the free tier.
- It has to follow rate limiting rules.
- A python API wrapper can be found here.
- An article that might help in development can be found here.
- Advanced: If possible the tweet should also be automatically added to the Internet Archive.
- There are several bots that can be used as a starting point (see list here). The most popular seems to be Pywikibot.
- The new bot should be open source except for the API key, that should never be public
- The bot needs to use the post template above
- The bot needs to determine the correct time zone and date for the tweet. See this edit for reference. Also, what is the "correct" time zone? Is it eastern time? (If so we must account for DST.)
Bot behavior:
- The bot should regularly check with twitter for new tweets by @StrongBadActual (both new tweets are replies)
- The bot should be able to scour @StrongBadActual tweet history and add missing tweets
- Advanced: The bot should be able to scour @StrongBadActual tweet history and correct errors and formatting in existing tweets (this should be done manually, and perhaps with a preview feature so that we don't lose existing items such as fun facts and notes)
- Advanced: The bot should upload images and video from @StrongBadActual tweets (from both missing images and new tweets)
- Advanced: The bot should link these images to new and existing @StrongBadActual tweets

Interwiki-style updates and maintenance

As of July 2018 there are two new subdomains of homestarrunner.com: new.homestarrunner.com and trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com. It would be good to have interwiki links ([[new:|]], [[trogdorboardgame:|]]) for both for ease of linkage. Lira (talk) 06:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree! (Though I s'pose that's kind of obvious, since there's not much reason to disagree. So, by "I agree", I mean "do sum bow dis".)

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey! While we're at it, maybe we could add link prefixes for some other sites that have become relevant recently:

[[teespring:|]] Strong Bad's Specialty Shoppe (which we also badly need a page for but that's another issue)
[[fangamer:|]] Fangamer store
[[songwhip:|]] used to link to albums on the streamins
[[kickstarter:|]] stuff related to the Trogdor!! The Board Game campaign
[[twitch:|]] streams linked to by Strong Bad a couple times; we wouldn't have to but we might as well

Lira (talk) 08:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

These links would be very useful and pretty and I think it would be really cool if we could do this. Lira (talk) 05:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if for some of these (like the less-often used ones or more transient ones) templates might be better solutions? For example: I'd imagine that new would eventually become the regular site and the regular site might become "old". This would also make it easier for regular users to react to changes. --Stux 08:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I can't think of any reasons templates would be preferrable, aside from the new site for the reason you gave (and even then, we can just change the links if we have to). Some of them would be less used, but if anything, I see that as more reason to use interwiki links rather than templates. After all, interwiki links are built into the wiki, while templates require their own pages. But yeah, I still support all of these.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 23:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

interwiki	base	wikitext	example link
`twitter`	`http://twitter.com/`	`[[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/1335688989219622916]]`	https://twitter.com/StrongBadActual/status/1335688989219622916
`youtube`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=`	`[[youtube:-9yIAFldCuk]]`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yIAFldCuk
`oldhr`	`https://old.homestarrunner.com/`	`[[oldhr:toons.html]]`	https://old.homestarrunner.com/toons.html
`newhr`	`http://new.homestarrunner.com/`	`[[newhr:images/logo_200x200.png]]`	https://new.homestarrunner.com/images/logo_200x200.png
`trogdorboardgame`	`https://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com/`	`[[trogdorboardgame:videos.html]]`	https://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com/videos.html
`sbattsg`	`https://strongbadallthetimesogreat.com/`	`[[sbattsg:A447FD258AEBF8C4D4C5C26D7C26BD03EBE704A6]]`	https://strongbadallthetimesogreat.com/A447FD258AEBF8C4D4C5C26D7C26BD03EBE704A6
`teespring`	`https://teespring.com/`	`[[teespring:stores/strong-bads-specialty-shoppe]]`	https://teespring.com/stores/strong-bads-specialty-shoppe
`fangamer`	`https://www.fangamer.com/`	`[[fangamer:collections/homestar-runner]]`	https://www.fangamer.com/collections/homestar-runner
`songwhip`	`https://songwhip.com/`	`[[songwhip:strong-bad]]`	https://songwhip.com/strong-bad
`kickstarter`	`https://www.kickstarter.com/`	`[[kickstarter:projects/1999933720/trogdor-the-board-game]]`	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1999933720/trogdor-the-board-game
`twitch`	`https://www.twitch.tv/`	`[[twitch:strongbadactual]]`	https://www.twitch.tv/strongbadactual
`imdb`	`https://www.imdb.com/title/`	`[[imdb:tt0092455]]`	https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455

Someone please fill in the table above. The thing I most need to know is whether the base for a given interwiki link should be a simple link to the domain (like Twitter) or something more complex that makes prettier shortcuts (like YouTube). Also I changed "new" to "newhr" because the former was too simple. If you'd like something different, please say so. — It's dot com 21:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. The bases for these are all pretty simple. And "newhr" works for me. Lira (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

If we want icons for any of these links, here are some: trogdorboardgame, teespring, fangamer, songwhip, kickstarter, twitch. ~~new dot homestarrunner dot com's current favicon is kind of ugly, so we may just want to reuse our "hr" icon for that one.~~ Lira (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Now that the site's been redesigned for 2021, we also need an oldhr to point to the old website. Note that both oldhr and regular hr use HTTPS now. Also, I can't help but wonder if there's a less confusing name we could use for new.homestarrunner.com now that it's a) not new and b) very abandoned. Lira (talk) 22:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I still agree with all of these, but oldhr especially needs to be done as soon as possible. (Also, now that the redesign is up and all the URLs are pretty much set in stone, I see even less reason to use templates. As for the newhr name, I don't think that's too confusing, since "new" is in the URL and it was planned to be the new website.)

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 04:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

IMDB links are now broken. For some time now the us domain now leads to a help document, breaking all our links (and other site's links). See this section for an example. I've added imdb to the table above with a fix (it won't work for names probably but the original wasn't set up for that either). --Stux 04:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. — It's dot com 01:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Sweeet! Thank you very much! --Stux 08:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

While looking at Help:Namespaces (didn't realize that was a thing) I noticed that the Videlectrix namespace (Videlectrix:index.html) should now point to the old HR domain (e.g. this location) as the current setup generates 404 errors. --Stux 08:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. I also fixed the Podstar link. I completely disabled "HRStore" because it was pointing to a sketchy domain reseller. (It used to point to homestarrunnerstore.com [is that noted anywhere?]; it now just points to Store as a placeholder.) I tried to point it to the Internet Archive, but I got an error. I'm open to suggestion. If there's no suitable place to point it, then we'll need to update any links that still use it. — It's dot com 16:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again Dot com! Now, linking to the internet archive can sometimes be tricky, but it's pretty flexible once you get things right. I would suggest trying the following format:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050626232117/http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/

Using the Store Front Page News 2006 page as reference, the Kick The Cheat link would the point to [1]. It may not always work since there are likely pages that were never archived by the site but it should hopefully cover a decent amount of pages. The explicit date will force the archive to find the version of the page closest to that date (I forget if it's before or after).

Also, it seems like a lot, if not all of the link favicons are gone? Not only "HR:" links but it seems also "Youtube:" links seem to be missing their icon. Was that deliberate or accidental? --Stux 07:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I was trying to look up the archive for the homestarrunnerstore.com domain directly, and it didn't like that. I pointed it to a date at the beginning 2007 before the Kick The Cheat was sold out. It doesn't have images, but it seems to work for most of the text, and it's better than nothing.

As for the favicons, I think that issue cropped up when we switched from http to https in our links. I attempted a fix, but it's not showing up. I'm gonna give it a bit to see if it's just a matter of some cache refreshing before I try again. — It's dot com 17:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sweet! Thanks for the fix to the store links. These links seem to be working well :). As for the favicon fix, I tried looking with my very meager CSS skills (and with the help of the DOM inspector) all I could tell was that it seemed like the monobook main.css page was involved (in the line #bodyContent a[href ^="https://"]) but that too was included but ignored. In fact my testing showed that not even regular https links have the lock icon (

) displaying but non-https youtube links still work maybe because they don't have that possibly conflicting rule? --Stux 11:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I figured it out. It's always the little things that trip you up. — It's dot com 15:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

At some point Telltale.com moved their forums from the subdirectory www.telltale.com/forums to the subdomain community.telltale.com — this breaks the interwiki-style link setup. Is there any way to adjust the link template to support this new link structure? -- Bleu Ninja 21:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Homestar Runner Updates 20X6

The main page redesign is planned to get rid of the "h*r.com" abbreviation in favor of a more general "updates" link, and I think the pages themselves should follow suit. Right now, H*R.com updates 2020 is full of updates... and yet, not a single one is a H*R.com update, as the name implies. I think these pages are due for a rename. Even disregarding the inaccuracy of the title, I've always found these page titles to be kind of ugly. Look at that link. Doesn't it look unprofessional to you? There's the "H*R.com" abbreviation, and the capitalization is all over the place. So not only is it wrong, but it's mildly unpleasant to read, at least in my opinion. I realize that renaming all of these pages would be a daunting task, but I think it would be worth it for all the reasons I mentioned. (Also, the opening sentence for each page, as well as the link on the sidebar, would have to be changed as well.) Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 20:41, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

The 2020 pages is full of updates... of Strong Bad (and Matt Chapman) making cameo appearances in other people's livestreams, and re-releasing some archival material onto YouTube. The page wasn't updated to reflect that until very recently because there might have been confusion as to whether or not those things counted.

That aside, how much work would updating the name of the pages entail? First, begin by moving all the actual H*R update pages to their new destination with the new title. There's only about twenty of those, right? Then maybe worry about updating "what links here" links on other pages? Can the Wiki call on The Cheatbot to get that done if it was told where to redirect everything? -- 68.37.43.131 21:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Regardless of the substantiality of the updates, they're still Homestar Runner content. I think they count, hence why I'm making this suggestion. As for "daunting", I was mainly referring to changing links and redirects for twenty pages (and the act of renaming them, to a lesser extent). The Cheatbot would definitely help, but even without it, it should be pretty manageable. I'm mainly asking because of the importance of these pages.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this. "Homestar Runner updates" (or "Homestar Runner Updates", if we're committed to the Title Case thing) is a better name. The inaccuracy of the current title doesn't apply only to recent years; many older update pages also contain references to updates outside of homestarrunner dot com. Lira (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Redirect Baleetion

These two requests have already been made on their respective talk pages and through the {{delete}} template, but not officially, so I thought I'd make note of them here. The Pinecones redirect needs to be deleted so Pine Cones can be moved there (see talk page), and It's Like It Was Meant To Be needs to be deleted so It's like it was meant to be can be moved there. (And while you're at it, there are around fifty other unnecessary redirects that can be deleted, but that's not as important since they aren't obstructing page movement.) Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I deleted those two redirects and moved the pages. Note that the redirect for the second one actually had a lowercase "to": It's Like It Was Meant to Be. — It's dot com 23:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! And sorry about the miscapitalization!

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 01:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Embedded Twitter Timeline: can it work?

It's been suggested that the main page redesign should include an embedded timeline of @StrongBadActual Tweets like the one on the index page or fanstuff wiki (as opposed to the {{recentposts}} template, which is largely devoid of context and must be manually updated). On some wikis this is possible through a widget or a MediaWiki extension. Would it be possible to implement this feature? Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 00:34, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Pretty much everything regarding the new main page has already been decided (the votes are all unanimous for now), so this is the last thing that still needs to be done. Unfortunately I can't fiddle with widgets or extensions, so if someone could let us know if it would be possible to embed a Twitter timeline on a wiki page, that would be greatly appreciated.

Gfdgsgxg zgdrc 21:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

"General Disclaimer" legal link is broken

HRWiki:General disclaimer refers to "the legal stuff page on the official Homestar Runner website"; however, that links to https://homestarrunner.com/legal.html which is currently a 404. The old site version does not render properly, either. The best solution is probably https://old.homestarrunner.com/legal.txt instead; in any event this should probably be addressed as the disclaimer boilerplate appears constantly throughout the wiki. -- Bleu Ninja 17:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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-[[Image:The_Basement.PNG|thumb|300px|Where all the cool guys hang out]]Welcome to Da Basement!  This is a messageboard for coordinating and discussing administrative tasks on the Homestar Runner Wiki. Although it is aimed mostly at sysops, ''any user'' is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here.<br />
+__NEWSECTIONLINK__
-{{Da Basement Archive}}
+:''This is the administrative message board.'' {{for|basement featured in Homestar Runner toons|Basement of the Brothers Strong}}
+[[Image:The_Basement.PNG|thumb|300px|Where all the cool guys hang out]]
+{{shortcut|DB}}
+Welcome to Da Basement!  This is a messageboard for coordinating and discussing administrative tasks on the Homestar Runner Wiki. Although it is aimed mostly at sysops, ''any user'' is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here.<br />
-== Template Overload ==
+If you have a question regarding how to become a sysop, please read through [[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|the FAQ]] beforehand.
-the [[Stinkoman 20X6]] game has its own [[Template:Stinkoman_20X6|template]], and much more recently [[Old-Timey]] got its own [[Template:OldTimey|template]] thanks to [[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]], which is looking good... shouldn't the 20X6 world (not the game) have its own Navigation Template as well?  I think it's big enough it deserves one. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:00, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+{{clear}}
-:I think we may be going overboard with the templates.  Some of them are too big (this one would be), and when pages have two templates it looks odd.  That's what I think anyway. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:05, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+{{Da Basement Archive}}
-::I agree with HSRUsername, we have some templates that are flat out useless in my view.  20X6 would be to big, like Old-Timey is. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:07, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+<div class="plainlinks" style="font-family: georgia; border: 1px dashed #06f; background: #eef; padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em; text-align: center; font-size: 18px;">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Da_Basement&action=edit&section=new Start a new thread &raquo;]</div>
+__TOC__
-:::Heh, you think pages get big with all the templates, check out some of the longer Wikipedia ones, like [[Wikipedia:George H.W. Bush#External links|some politicians]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:16, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+== [[Weekly Fanstuff]] and [[Sketchbook]] linking ==
-::I don't know if this is the right place for my comment, or if a more central location would be better, but I think we're going a little overboard on nav templates here. For example, the only common thing about the Shorts is that TBC call them all that. I think we should consider removing some of the new templates from pages that don't really need them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:21, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+Hi guys, after {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Annual_Checklist&diff=534194&oldid=534012 adding}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Annual_Checklist&diff=534195&oldid=534194 notes}} to the [[HRW:AC|Annual Checklist]] based on {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Suudsu&curid=14302&diff=534127&oldid=514203 some}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=alternate_universe&curid=22046&diff=534095&oldid=531458 edits}} [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]] had to make, I realized there must be a better way to do this.  Since [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008]] and [[Sketchbook 2008]] already exist and now redirect to their current counterparts (which should from now one with the checklist in place), and since we have anchor redirects, I think the best course of action would be that any new Weekly Fanstuff and Sketchbook links be constructed as <code><nowiki>[[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#</nowiki>''anchor name here'']]</code>
-:::I not... not, not... not! not! not! not second that.  You do like me! Eh, I find them rather helpful when I want to randomly jump around or see what's related. Sometimes it can help when you're looking for a certain something related to so-and-so, but don't know what that first thing is ... called? I dunno. But yeah moderation is not, not... er I mean definitely a good thing. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:46, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+instead of <code><nowiki>[[Weekly Fanstuff#</nowiki>''anchor name here'']]</code> (and similarly for the Sketchbook).  This would save us the trouble of having to scour for these links at the end of the year, yet they'd still work correctly this year.  If we decide to follow this idea, how to we make this note prominent so that editors are aware of them when making such links? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::I'm not sure I'm reading your comments correctly, but if I am, then you're right: I don't not dislike not you. Seriously, I think you're doing a good job around here. These templates, however, ''do'' need to be examined more closely, and we need some more feedback. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:26, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+:Occasionally, I ''do'' make such links when adding or fixing an anchor, or other similar edits. You make a good point, yes. This should probably be done. Nothing wrong with a little future-proofing. Or redirects, for that matter. That's why we have them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 10:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::Gah! The templates! They're- they're attacking! O_O It's the gallery thing all over again. The way I see it: Use them where it's logical, such as SBemails and Stinkoman 20X6, but don't use them just to use them, like Shorts and Old-Timey. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:29, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+::I've {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=H*R.com_updates_2008&diff=535021&oldid=535019 switched}} the links in that page as discussed above. Following [[HRWiki_talk:Standards#.28Don.27t_Fear.29_The_Redirect|this section]] I'm guessing we think it's desirable. Comments? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::I think that templates should be used for things like games, where we would have to list them at the bottom of the page.  Like at Stinkoman 20X6, we would be listing all of the related articles at the bottom of the page is it wasn't for the template.  We don't say <blockquote>See Also: <br>Short <br>Short</blockquote>On another short, do we? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:34, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+:::Maybe it's trivial, but I think from [[Weekly Fanstuff|WF]] and [[Sketchbook|SK]], the "What Links Here" list is a mess and these are the types of changes that would clean it up.  It's a slow day at the wiki, so I think I'm going to get busy on it.  (Was going to see the new Indiana Jones movie, but there was a long line, so I gave up and now need something to do.)  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
+::::Our formatting of the pages has been quite inconsistent over the years, so I created a couple of formatting templates and added them to all the pages. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::I personally don't like the sudden onslaught of templates either... I think we're kinda pushing it a bit. Some things make good logical sense to group together, like Joshua said. Others... I don't think so. It seems we ARE using some, just coz we can. There are already lists for some of these things, too. Shorts, for example, are all already listed on the [[Toons]] page. Seems to me like the templates are really just trying to do the job that the categories already do... I just think they're getting a little clunky is all. Un...settling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
+== Two more for the history books ==
-:::::::::2 cents: We are going overboard with the templates. I don't mind the SBEmail, PQ, Stinkoman 20X6 (game), and Sightings templates; but things like CC, Old-Timey, and 20X6 are best left to the '''Categories'''. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:43, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+Hey guys, I just ran into these two pages: [[HRWiki:Block log]] and [[HRWiki:Upload log]] which like [[HRWiki:Protection log]] and [[HRWiki:Deletion log]] should belong in [[:Category:HRWiki History]], but currently do not. They are all protected so I bring these up here. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
-Ok, I will let you in on a little secret page of mine (one of two that i keep) with all those [[User:E.L. Cool/templates|teplates]]. Just make a list of which one are fine and which need to hit the road. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:13, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+== Checklist Sign up Sheet ==
-:I don't mind templates all over the place, but can we at least keep them one color? They look so inconsistent in green, orange, purple, etc. They should all be the same blue as the Strong Bad Emails one. That's just my 2 cents. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:44, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+While the [[Talk:Quote of the Week|Weeklies Checklist]] has been kept up beautifully. Other checklists like [[Talk:Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad Email]], which has become quite complex, (and [[Talk:Podstar Runner|Podstar Runner]] is new) seem to be falling into some level of disregard.  The most visible and common tasks have been taken care of, but the more tedious ones (like updating {{tl|StrongBadEmailInfo}}) may not be taken care of right away.  To that end I would like to propose a Weekly Checklist Sign up Sheet whose purpose is ''solely'' to track whether or not one or more users ''verified'' that each item in the checklist (except for [[Strong Bad Email Statistics]]) was updated.  This doesn't mean that the user has to update the list.  The signature only means that all the items have been "checked off".  This would ensure that at least one pair of eyes went methodically through the list making sure no stone was left unturned.  Currently, we have no way of knowing if a person actually went through the checklist, or was just trying to remember some steps from memory. I know some people may think is might be too much, but given how complex some of these lists can be, it is soon becoming a necessity. I welcome your opinions. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
+:I have something in the works to help with the Strong Bad Email checklist. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
-::I'm with Joey. There's been a recent influx, but I don't think they're a bad thing. As long as they're peacefully at the bottom, they don't affect scrolling or anything, and are a handy navigation tool. I wouldn't mind keeping them all. The colors could be uniformed, but I don't have much of an opinion on that. I'd be fine just leaving them be. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:55, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+== Cleanup Committee ==
-:::The problem I have with the CC and Limozeen temps is... if we use them, then why not follow the trend and make more templates like, say, Fluffy Puff and Dangeresque? Can't we leave such things like those to the categories? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
+I have an idea. You probably guessed it from the heading, but I'm starting to feel the need for a committee dedicated to cleaning up the wiki. The various cleanup projects, namely [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup]], which deals with featured articles, have fallen into relative obscurity or the hands of only a few users. The cleanup committee would be similar in concept to the validation committee, but would focus on spelling, grammatical errors, and correct page format. It would also strive to boost the level of clarity and compellingness of our articles. It would also be more organized and hopefully encourage more users to participate in making our fair HRWiki a better and more fun place to be. Does this sound like a good concept at least? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
+:I think that it is the responsibility of every active user to cleanup the wiki, therefore having such a committee would be like having a userbox saying "this user edits hrwiki"... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
+::Please don't shoot me down right away. I know every user is supposed to cleanup the wiki, but the majority don't really pay attention to articles that aren't the newest sbemail or character or what-have-you. What I'm suggesting is a much larger version of Article Cleanup, one that spanned the whole wiki and concentrated on spiffing up what we already have to make it even better. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::I agree with BazookaJoe. It's what I said: some of the templates are trying to do the job of the categories. I like the categories better anyways. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
+== User space edits ==
-Since voting seems to have stopped, we have three templates that have a majority of people in favor of deleting them.  Shall we continue the voting, or delete these templates. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
+Since most userspace edits are nothing more than updating personal info or adding userboxes, is it possible to make a setting that gives users the option to not see them in recent changes? Just a thought. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Since the first thing anyone else would say (I know I would) would be "What'd stop vandals from using that option while vandalising other people's user pages?", let me postulate this: Supposing the option only appeared for the user whose page was being edited? This is at least theoretically possible, I'm sure. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
+::BUT WUT IF THEY SAY NASTY THINGS ABOUT YOU AND YOU TOTALLY MISS THEMS? No, but seriously, what would stop those same users from posting inappropriate material on their own userpage? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::I think that the original request was for the user ''looking at Recent Changes'' to not see the edits to User-space.... '''not''' for the user ''making the edits'' to opt-out of their edits showing up there.  That said, one can choose "User" from the dropdown, hit the invert checkbox, and bookmark that page.  (Or, even change the "Recent Changes" link to it with a custom user javascript). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 01:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
-:I think if no one else votes in the next day or so we could go ahead and start removing those three. We also need to discuss the ones where there was no clear consensus (Limozeen and Cheat Commandos) to see whether we can get a better majority (a one-vote difference is not very clear-cut, especially when I personally could change one of my neutral votes and either tie the vote or make the difference a little bigger). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
+== Update main page ==
-::It has been approximately a day.  It seems like the templates will be deleted {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
+A while back, someone suggested we update the main page to include links to the multi-lingual welcome pages, but the idea, although it did get a lot of noise made about it, ultimately failed. Since we have had the same style of main page for [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=86533 three and half years now], does anyone else think it might be a good idea to redesign the main page just for the sake of having a new main page? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
+:Um, anyone home? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+::I have said many times that I think this is a good idea, and have even designed several test pages. Right now, however, I've just got too much on my plate to do anything about it. Feel free to try your hand at it, though. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::Adding delete temps to the templates themselves is problematic for the pages that contain them. Templates that have been voted for removal will be... removed from the pages that they occupy. Until all templates have been removed from pages, they will not be deleted (my main reason for not deleting the templates outright is for E.L. Cool to preserve [or not preserve] them in any manner he wishes). &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
+== 3RR Violation ==
-::::I noticed this and removed all references to <nowiki>{{Toons}}, {{Shorts}} and {{OldTimey}}</nowiki> from their respective pages. Even though the delete template is gone, it's something that would have to happen anyway, and it's easier to do while the templates are still there so you can use the "what links here" feature - currently only E.L. Cool's page links to these 3 templates. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
+See [[Math Kickers]] edit history.
+:Yeah, we don't really have 3RR here. Besides, it's been three reverts, not the four that would be required for a 3RR vio at Wikipedia. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 14:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::::I have no problem with E.L. keeping the templates. On the other hand, he could substitute the code if we wanted to be thourough and remove the pages themselves. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
+== "Fatal Error" ==
-::::::Also, I would be more inclined to keep the two that are on the bubble if, like Joey suggested, the colors were standardized (or at least toned ''way'' down). They could probably all use it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
+Trying to see a previous vandal edit to Coach Z's article, I'm getting this:
+<pre>
+**He has occasionally [[Blubb-O's Commercial|attempted to be sent to prison]], since he would be guaranteed "three square meals a day".
+**He has occasionally [[Blubb-O's Commercial|attempted to be sent to prison]], since he would be guaranteed "three square meals a day".
+**He [[secret recipes|can't afford "money cost]]" ice cream.
+**He [[secret recipes|can't afford "money cost]]" ice cream.
-:::::Uh, so can we delete those templates?  They are now off the pages.  Oh, and no probablo with E.L. Cool keeping the temps.{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
+Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/hrwiki/public_html/includes/DifferenceEngine.php(1211) : assert code on line 1
+</pre>
-===Template Voting===
+I don't exactly get the message, but I think it's trying to ask one of the Administrators to do something ("assert code on line 1"?). I also see the comment "<nowiki><!--LINE 278--></nowiki>" in the code source. --[[Special:Contributions/71.157.173.166|71.157.173.166]] 03:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
-Due to the large number of [[User:E.L._Cool/templates|templates]], we are voting to see which we should keep and which should go.
+:It was a vandalized state of the page that was fixed shortly after. I don't actually know what's in there, but something in the code broke the page good. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
+::It was just some dumb ASCII art. Nothing to worry about. I took out the link. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
-<hr>
+== Idea for Page ==
-:{{User:Joshua/sig}} - Okay, going through your list from top to bottom, here's my opinion:
+I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I had no idea where else to go. <br>
+(Maybe this is something that needs to be stated a little clearer?)<br>
+I think there ought to be a page about 'Phonebooks' on the HRwiki because of its many mentions:<br>
+Eg. in the sbemails 'your funeral' and 'the movies'
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Delete''' These things don't really go together too well. They just aren't related closely enough. I.E, I don't really see Floppy Disc Container relating to SBEmails by Length enough to share a template. I know they were grouped together before, but then it was under "Additional Information," not "Strong Bad Emails." Am I making sense here?
+I would have made it myself, but I was afraid of messing it up and infuriating fellow users. <br>
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep''' It has a purpose. Although I'm not sure if the "Scalding Lake" link is nessecary.
+Anyone down with the idea?
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Partial Delete''' At least the Characters part. The Issue section is actually okay.
+--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes &lt;3]] 05:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
-* Limozeen - '''Delete''' Not needed at all.
+:It has to have at least 3 references to be a running gag, so no. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 05:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
-* Sightings - '''Keep''' Useful.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete''' Pushing the limits here...
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep''' A-okay. Although I don't like how the ''12.2'' hangs out like that.
-* Main Characters - '''Delete''' I know this one's been around a while, but I don't think we really need it.
-* Toons & Shorts - '''Delete''' For reasons stated above
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' I actually like this one. Many of these games are little known and closely connected.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep''' Very useful.
-* Main Pages - '''Neutral''' I don't know about this one. It's sort of like Shorts and Toons, but I like it for some reason.
-* Old Timey - '''Delete''' No. Just, no.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' Probably the best template out there.
-<hr>
+== Deletion category needing attention ==
-:&mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC):
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep.''' The different ways of organizing the information should be interlinked.
+To my fellow sysops: We really need to get on cleaning out the deletion category. Things have been sitting in there for months with no discussion. I've done some, but I really would like a little help. Furthermore, as I'm going out of town in a few hours, I may not be able to do much for a bit. If a bunch of us do it, it'll go a lot faster. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep.'''
+:I did as best i could with DorianGray's help for actual deletions given my inability to delete. I managed to clear off [[:Category:Pages for Discussion]] and about a third of [[:Category:Articles for Discussion]]. The rest of them are either lacking consensus and need more opinions, or else are SBCG4AP-related and outside my ability to really judge or even understand consensus. Hope i helped. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep.'''
-* Limozeen - '''Delete.''' I think the category would serve this one fine.
-* Sightings - '''Keep.'''
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep.'''
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep.'''
-* Main Characters - '''Keep.''' It's been around for a while with no complaints till now.
-* Toons - '''Delete.''' These technically are unrelated to each other.
-* Shorts - '''Delete.''' Same as above.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete.'''
-* Decemberween In July - '''Keep.'''
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep.'''
-* Main Pages - '''Keep.'''
-* Old Timey - '''Delete or severely prune.''' Again, maybe just the characters, or something...
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep.''' Good ol' sbemails.
-<hr>
+== General Toons Checklist ==
-:--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]:
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Neutral.'''
+I think that we should have a Generic Toons Checklist similar to the one seen in [[Talk:Strong Bad Email]] (albeit shorter).  The reason I'm saying this is that little steps such as {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ASubtitles%2FData&diff=671537&oldid=667235 updating}} [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data]] have been neglected in the past.  While there's no guarantee that the checklist itself won't be neglected, at least we can give some structure to the updates and have a place where we can see a list and make sure we haven't missed anything. Its location would be crucial, and I think [[Talk:Main Page]] would be the best place to put it in and it's the place with the most visibility.  (The checklist can explicitly point to the correct instuctions when updating [[Strong Bad Email]] or [[Weeklies]] as well.) What do you guys think? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep.'''
+:I'm for the idea, though I don't necessarily think it should be on the main page talk. [[HRWiki:Standards]], perhaps? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Partial Delete.''' Just the episodes.
+::Cool! I could have a section there for the checklist (along with links to other checklists from that page, or maybe even group them there so they're at a centralized location? -- I was thinking turning the most prominent ones into their own templates so they could be pasted in both their original and new locations). I would still like to see something in the main talk page linking to  [[HRWiki:Standards]] so that people know it's there; perhaps by amending the {{tl|Main Page Talk}} header? I'll start on making the checklist and go from there. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
-* Limozeen - '''Delete.'''
-* Sightings - '''Keep.'''
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete.'''
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep.'''
-* Main Characters - '''Keep.'''
-* Toons - '''Delete.''' They're unrelated and can all be found at the big [[Toons]] page.
-* Shorts - '''Delete.''' See previous answer.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep.''' Some of these are obscure...
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep.'''
-* Main Pages - '''Keep.'''
-* Old Timey - '''Delete.''' This is just too big and clunky.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep.''' This is pretty important.
-::On a side note, is there a better place for this? Maybe in Da Basement? This is getting to be pretty big, especially if everyone wants a vote. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-:::It will probably need to be moved and eventually archived. But, on the other hand, this page is relatively empty other than this discussion. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:00, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-<hr>
+== HRWiki store ==
-{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:19, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-*Strong Bad Info: See [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#Template|this talk]]. '''Keep'''
-*Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
-*Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''
-*Limozeen - '''Keep'''. If not all, then leave just the charactes.
-*Sightings - '''Keep'''
-*Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''. If not all, then leave just the charactes.
-*Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''
-*Main Characters - '''Keep'''. Used it several times. Very important.
-*Toons - '''Delete.'''. We have the [[Toons]] page.
-*Shorts - '''Delete'''. Same.
-*Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''
-*Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''
-*Main Pages - '''Keep'''
-*Old Timey - '''Keep''', but just the charactes. Too long!
-*Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Meh'''.. I mean '''Keep!'''
-*Decemberween In July - '''Keep'''
-*In short: leave episodes and characters, take out the toons.
+The interwiki link needs changing for HRstore:. It is now homestarrunnerstore.com. Thanks! {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 13:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
+:Done. Thanks! For my own records: http://homestarrunner.stores.yahoo.net/ &rarr; http://www.homestarrunnerstore.com/ (We should note that somewhere in an article.) Hmm. The old Yahoo! icon doesn't seem appropriate anymore for the link. What should we use? (Interestingly, on pages where they forget to declare a favicon, it defaults to the Yahoo! one.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
+::Maybe it could be the sign from [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]? Nah, it'd be a little redundant because of &#123;{[[Template:u|u]]|cs}}. Maybe mash the H*R and Yahoo! favicons together? {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 23:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
-<hr>
+== Discuss before creating a new page ==
-{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:45, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-This looks like fun!
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
-* Limozeen - '''Delete'''.  Use the category
-* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete'''.  Use the category
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Characters - '''Neutral'''. Small, not really used
-* Toons - '''Delete'''. Use the category
-* Shorts - '''Delete'''. Use the category
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Neutral'''.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
-* Old Timey - '''Delete'''.  Use the category.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''
-<hr>
+I'm not sure how it would work, or even whether it's a good idea, but I'd like to float the suggestion that—at least until the current lull is over—no new articles be created without discussion first. (This would apply only to our secondary and tertiary articles—the ones we make to chronicle objects and themes—not toons.) It seems that during the lean times we tend to actively look for articles that can be created, ones that we might not otherwise create. Sometimes this is a [[Bubs's Shady Business Practices|good thing]]; more often, however, {{p|l={{fullurl:Special:Log|offset=20100510220000&limit=2&type=delete&user=It's+dot+com}} it is not}}. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
-{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+:I actually rather like the idea, but there's no real easy way to implement this beyond what we're already doing. Still, we really *are* just scraping for new content... and it's beginning to boil down to random wiki searches for three instances of something that isn't otherwise noteworthy. I... actually may get it for this, but I'm beginning to wonder if the "three appearances" guideline shouldn't be changed somewhat. Three appearances of something in a webtoon that's been running at a rather constant pace for more than a decade really doesn't seem particularly significant anymore, especially given the incredible periods of time between them (one in 2001, one in 2002, and a very vague offhand mention in 2009 that may or may not even be related?). Maybe expand it to five? I don't know. But we're just creating pages for anything and everything these days, not really caring whether it's interesting or particularly relevant; there're many people on the "for" side of these pages whose argument is solely that they're within the technical guidelines. Not an especially compelling reason, really... but I'm getting off topic. I'd like to hear about your idea some more. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
-Awesome.  It's old stuff all over again.
+::The problem is that often articles aren't known if they'll be worth having until they develop some content, true, there are cases where you can tell just by the name that, say, "times homestar has said the word 'then'" won't make a good article. I therefore propose a 3 step process. First, a page in the HRWiki namespace where ideas for articles can be discussed. If it's agreed upfront to be a good idea, the article can skip the intermediate steps and be made immediately in the main namespace. The second step for an iffy article that needs time to develop, is to be made as a subpage of the new article discussions page, out of the way of the main namespace, until it is either approved or rejected. The third step is, obviously, if it is approved, it's moved into the main namespace, and if it's rejected, it ends up in deleto city. If we implement this, it might even be a good idea to disable page creation in the main namespace for regular users, and have the "you cannot create pages" message include a link to the new article discussion page, at least at first, so that people get the message. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep''' I like it.
+:::While I think this is a good idea for the purposes of running gags and inside jokes, I don't want to sit around and wait for one of my [[User:Super Martyo Brother/tab project|tablature pages]] to clear committee. If we implement this somehow, I don't think we should turn off page creation for normal users (unless someone wants to promote me to temporary sysop, but that seems impractical, and also, I would ideally not be the only one working on tabs). --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 08:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Peasant's Quest  - '''Small pruning''' Take out Scalding lake, and I like it.
+::::I wouldn't worry about it. This idea seems to have died from lack of support, and even I wasn't super gung-ho on it to begin with. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Teen Girl Squad '''Keep''' - Not to big.  Only 4-5 characters
+I'd like to revive this discussion. I support the discussion of pages, not as a mandatory requirement for all articles, but as an optional thing. I have a [[User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/Pages|whole bunch of pages]] I'd like to create, but I'm not sure whether they're good enough. I can't really start a discussion, because there's no centralized place to do that. A simple <nowiki>[[HRWiki:Article Discussions]]</nowiki> page or something of the sort would be good. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
-* Limozeen '''Delete''' - Same reason as HSR Themed Username
-* Sightings '''Keep''' - A good, solid template
-* Cheat Commandos '''Severe Delete''' - Hate it. Use the category
-* Marzipans Answering Machine '''Keep''' - Different from shorts because of common theme
-* Main Characters '''Neutral''' -  A little small, but nice idea
-* Toons - '''Severe Delete''' Use the cat.
-* Shorts - '''Severe Decline''' Same as Toons
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' Maybe expand it to include all the games, but I like it.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 '''Keep''' - A nice, solid template.
-* Main Pages '''Neutral''' - Good template
-* Old Timey '''Ultra Delort''' - To huge, toons don't have a common theme
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' I was wrong, this is a template.
-<hr>
+== Deletion categories ==
---[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:12, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- '' shamlessly adapted from: {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:19, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)'''
-*Strong Bad Info: '''Keep'''!!!
-*Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
-*Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''
-*Limozeen - '''Keep'''. At least leave members and (some?) songs.
-*Sightings - '''Keep'''
-*Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''. At the very least leave the characters.
-*Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep''' but make it prettier.
-*Main Characters - '''Keep'''. Yeah this one should be kept.
-*Toons - '''Delort.'''
-*Shorts - '''Delort.''' BUT if we delete these two, how are we linking back to the "Toons" Page? Maybe make both into a single link to that page?
-*Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' Definitely keep.
-*Stinkoman 20X6 - Need to '''Keep'''
-*Main Pages - '''Keep''' Definitely keep.
-*Old Timey - Needs some serious '''Cleaning'''!  Shorten.
-*Strong Bad Emails #2 - Perhaps in the near future we may have to break it up? into say:
- | < emails 1-75 | email 76 | email 77 | ... | email 99 | email 100 | emails 101-136 > |
-::Where emails 76..100 would be replaced by the real names.
-:::I dunno. As big a monster as the sbemail template is, I kinda like it intact. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:25, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-::::Yeah, but what about when we get to like email #1000!? ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:46, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-<hr>
+We need to clean out [[:Category:Articles for Discussion]], [[:Category:Pages for Discussion]], and [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion]]. Some pages have been in those categories for nearly a whole year. Can we please clean them out? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 07:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-&mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:48, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+:It's kind of hard to clean out the former, since consensus needs to be reached, and I'm sure that a sysop will get around to the latter eventually. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 07:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep''' It's cool. Bulky, but cool.
+::RickyTommy, we keep telling you not to police the wiki because you're overdoing it. Please stop telling people what they should do. I mean it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
+:::I didn't tell anyone what they should do. I was just pointing out those categories and the lack of attention they're getting. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 07:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep''' I like this one.
+::::Ah, I must have misunderstood "We need to clean out..." as saying that we need to clean out these categories.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Limozeen - '''Keep''' Not sure what purpose this serves…
+:::::Yes, maybe I was a bit rude when I said that, but I'm unable to clean out those categories myself, as some of the articles probably have consensus to delete. <s>PS. Should we make a page like Wikipedia's Articles for Deletion page, and give pages a limited time (like a week, just like at Wikipedia) to be discussed?</s> Never mind, with the lack of users using this Wiki at present, such a page wouldn't work that good. Anyway, should we start cleaning out those categories? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 06:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Sightings - '''Delete''' The pages are cluttery, anyway.
+::::::And this topic just dies down. I really don't want those articles to stay like that forever. Again, can we please clean the categories out? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 07:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete''' This stuff should probably fall under toons and/or characters
+:::::::I agree that the category should be cleaned out. It's been eight years! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 17:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Delete''' This thing is almost never updated anyway.
+::::::::Almost nine years! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
-* Main Characters - '''Keep''' Gotta keep this one.
+:::::::::Almost ten years! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 01:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
-* Toons & Shorts - '''Keep''' Love those toons.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete''' We really don't need to know about all these. There's only, like, 5 games that work.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Delete''' Really don't need this.
-* Main Pages - '''Delete''' Nope.
-* Old Timey - '''Delete''' Big, gray, no point.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' It's spunky. I like it.
-<hr>
+== Autosummary for replies? ==
-[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:39, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
-* Limozeen - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
-* Toons - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Shorts - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
-* Old Timey - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''
-<hr>
+Could we have an automatic summary for replies on talk pages? Who knows how many countless hours everyone has spent typing "reply" and variations thereof. Considering that that's more of a custom than a standard, I guess it might be a little unnecessary, but if it would be easy to do [[technology#Transcript|I'll be your best friend]]. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 18:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
-{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:55, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+:I don't think so. In [[User:It's dot com|Dot com]]'s case, he usually puts a general summary of what he said in the description. I usually try to do it too. Really I don't think it's necessary to have it and it would be more of a nuisance than a convenience to have it done automagically. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 19:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
+I don't think the system could reasonably be expected to distinguish between bona-fide replies and other kinds of edits. Even in the most clear-cut case (text is added at the end of a section on a new line; no text is changed or removed; the text begins with one more colon than the previous line and ends with a four tildes for a signature), I still don't think I'd want the system making assumptions. Given how easy it is to navigate to the summary field, type "reply", and submit the form (without even using the mouse), the "countless hours" argument rings hollow for me. Sorry. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
+:I'd also point out that the system DOES automatically put the name of the section in. If you don't make an edit summary, as I'm purposely leaving one out of this particular edit, it's generally assumed anyway to be a reply. I mean, come on, you probably saw this edit and thought it was a reply, right? Right? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
-* Limozeen - '''Keep'''.
-* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
-* Toons - '''Keep'''.
-* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
-* Old Timey - '''Keep'''.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''
-<hr>
+== Licensing drop-down list ==
---{{User:acekirby13/sig}} 20:07, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
-* Limozeen - '''Neutral'''.
-* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
-* Toons - '''Keep'''.
-* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
-* Old Timey - '''Clean it up'''.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''.
-* To be direct, they're all useful in some way or another.
-<hr>
+Could a sysop or admin kindly populate [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] with the [[:Category:Image copyright tags|image copyright tags]] that have been created over the past few years? It would aid in choosing {{p|l={{fullurl:File:aquashot.png|diff=prev&oldid=717137}} the right license when uploading}}. Please and thanks, {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig|nodash=nodash}} 22:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
---{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:27, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
-* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
-* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
-* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
-* Limozeen - '''Keep'''.
-* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
-* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
-* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
-* Toons - '''Keep'''.
-* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
-* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
-* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
-* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
-* Old Timey - '''Clean it up ALOT!'''.
-* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''.
-Templates are used to organize links so they can be viewed all at once.  All of these do that. If the Toons and Shorts don't get kept, somewhere on there should be what kind it is.  As in, on there is the running time, characters and if it's a toon or a short.
-:That may be true, but templates are only used if you must say See Also at the bottom of the page.  That is true with some pages, but most do not. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:50, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+== MediaWiki system messages ==
-::There ''is'' a link to the Toons and Shorts at the bottom. Right after the word Category. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
+I had a few concerns for the [[HRWiki:Sysops|sysops]] regarding some of the '''MediaWiki system messages'''. Please delete/modify or just comment on the following:
-<hr>
+{| class="wikitable"
-====Totals====
+! Message
-{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 style="border-collapse:collapse"
+!
-|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
+* Default
-! Template !! Keep !! Delete !! Neutral
+* Current
-|-
+! Concern
-| Strong Bad Email #1 (small) || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 10 || 1 || 1
+! Decision / remark
-|-
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
-| Peasant's Quest || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 12 || 0 || 0
+| [[MediaWiki:Anononlyblock]]
-|-
+|
-| Teen Girl Squad || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11½ || ½ <!--The half vote came from DorianGrey--> || 0
+* anon. only
-|-
+* anonnies only
-| Limozeen: || 6 || 6 || 0
+| "anonnies"?
-|-
+| "Hey, [[HRW:G#A|anonny]], why don't you go... [[rock opera|brush up]] on [[anonny|your knowledge]] of the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work or something and not attribute it to yourself!"
-| Sightings || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11 || 1 || 0
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
-|-
+| [[MediaWiki:Autoredircomment]]
-| Cheat Commandos || 6 || 6 || 0
+|
-|-
+* Redirected page to [[$1]]
-| Marzipan's Answering Machine || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11 || 1 || 0
+* redirect to [[$1]]
-|-
+| present tense? lowercase? also, why not just default?
-| Main Characters || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 1 || 2
+| rowspan=3 | preference
-|-
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
-| Toons || 3 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 0
+| [[MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank]]
-|-
+|
-| Shorts || 3 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 0
+* Blanked the page
-|-
+* blanked the page
-| Videlectrix Games || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 8 || 3 || 1
+| lowercase? why not just default?
-|-
-| Decemberween In July || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 2 || 0 || 0 <!--this one was accidentally left out at first, which is why the votes aren't the same total as the others-->
-|-
-| Main Pages || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 1 || 2
-|-
-| Old Timey || 2 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 7 || 3 (clean up)
-|-
-| Strong Bad Email #2 (big) || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 12 || 0 || 0
-|}
-==Bug 3231==
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
-I'm sure some of you have noticed, but be aware of [http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231 bug 3231].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+| [[MediaWiki:Autosumm-replace]]
+|
-:Here's the easiest way to recover from that bug:
+* Replaced content with '$1'
-:1. Go to the affected page's history.
+* replaced the page with '$1'
-:2. View/restore deleted edits. Hit the restore button.
+| lowercase?
-:3. Go back to the affected page, which will still redirect to itself.
-:4. Go to the history. There should be two items, view the second.
-:5. View previous version. View previous version again.
-:6. Hit the edit tab, confirm that it's the article and not the redirect, and save.
-:Anyone have a better way? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::Nope, that's the correct workaround.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::Is there a better place we could put this solution? It took me a while to figure it out and BazookaJoe was having trouble with it too (yesterday). {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::<s>This may sound trivial, but just to be sure: it would prolly be a good idea that the two admins involved in the collision agree which of the two will fix the problem (lest another collision occur).</s>  Would it be possible to have some kind of log that would allow admins to mark which pages they are reverting in order to avoid this in the first place? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::Hi guys! As an exercise in thought I figured I'd try to see why this bug occurs.  In fact it's not a bug per se, but a side effect of all of the wiki features running properly, but doing so concurrently. Anyway, I wrote down step by step what happens between the two admins and the contents of each page (where oldpage is the original wiki name, and newpage is the new vandalized name). I hope this isn't mind-numingly obvious to all, but serves as an informative tidbit about computer stuff.  And I like pretty tables.
-::::{| border = 1 cellspacing=0  style="border-collapse:collapse"
-| colspan=4 bgcolor=#eeeeee align = center | Order of execution
-|-
-| align=center | Step || align=center | Admin A || align=center | Admin B || align=center | Page contents
-|-
-| align=center | 1 || Initiates Request to move page  || Initiates Request to move page || '''oldpage''' = redirect to new page name<br> '''newpage''' = real contents <br> ''this is the original state, nothing has happened yet''
-|-
-| align=center | 2 ||  || Completes Request to move page || '''oldpage''' = real contents<br> '''newpage''' = redirect to old page name
-|-
-| align=center | 3 || Completes Request to move page ||  || '''oldpage''' = redirect to old page name<br> '''newpage''' = redirect to old page name <br> ''the redirect to the old page name from the previous transfer is what gets copied, not the text and history we want to move''
+|- style="background:#CFC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:Clearyourcache]]
+|
+* '''Note - After saving, you may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes.''' '''Mozilla / Firefox / Safari:''' hold ''Shift'' while clicking ''Reload'', or press either ''Ctrl-F5'' or ''Ctrl-R'' (''Command-R'' on a Macintosh); '''Konqueror: '''click ''Reload'' or press ''F5''; '''Opera:''' clear the cache in ''Tools → Preferences''; '''Internet Explorer:''' hold ''Ctrl'' while clicking ''Refresh,'' or press ''Ctrl-F5''.
+* <nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Special:Preferences|'''See [[Help:User Preferences]] for help deciphering the options.''' <nowiki></nowiki>}}</nowiki> '''Note:''' After saving, you may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. *'''Mozilla / Firefox:''' hold down ''Shift'' while clicking ''Reload'', or press ''Ctrl-Shift-R'' (''Cmd-Shift-R'' on Apple Mac) *'''Safari:''' press ''Cmd-Option-E'' *'''IE:''' hold ''Ctrl'' while clicking ''Refresh'', or press ''Ctrl-F5'' *'''Konqueror:''' simply click the ''Reload'' button, or press ''F5'' *'''Opera''' users may need to completely clear their cache in ''Tools&rarr;Preferences''.
+| I recommend we delete [[MediaWiki:Clearyourcache]] and move "See [[Help:User Preferences]] for help deciphering the options." onto [[MediaWiki:Preferences-summary]].
+| The entire preferences page was reworked beginning with the next version. This will need to be reviewed once we upgrade (whenever that is).
+|- style="background:#CFC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage]]
+|
+* Template:disambig
+* HRWiki:Links_to_disambiguating_pages
+| supposed to designate which template(s) are used to mark disambiguation pages. non-default setting breaks the functionality of [[Special:Disambiguations]]. also, [[HRWiki:Links to disambiguating pages]] is possibly pointless.
+| This was set in the earliest days of the wiki and should be reviewed and probably removed.
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:History-title]]
+|
+* Revision history of "$1"
+* Revision history of $1
+| removal of quotes, just different for seemingly no reason - why not just default?
+| preference; likely inspired by the {{p|l=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:History-title&action=history same change}} at Wikipedia
+|- style="background:#CCC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:Mailmypassword]]
+|
+* E-mail new password
+* Email new password
+| <s>"Email" generally should be spelled "E-mail"</s> nevermind, but still why not just keep the default?
+| "{{p|l=http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/never Never mind}}" should be two words.
+:Never_mind, then ;-) -- I guess I figured out why we have non-default on this, anyway -- probably for consistency with the H*R spelling, which is usually (always?) non-hyphenated. {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 20:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
+|- style="background:#CFC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:Movenologintext]]
+|
+* You must be a registered user and [[Special:UserLogin|logged in]] to move a page.
+* You must be a registered user and [[Special:Userlogin|logged in]] to move a page, or this page may be [[HRWiki:Protected page|protected]] from page moves.
+| This message is not even displayed for protected page move attempts. (in that case, it displays [[MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext]], which is defaulted to "This page has been locked to prevent editing.")
+| This change was probably correct back when it was implemented but after various upgrades is now out of date. It should be reviewed and probably removed.
+|- style="background:#CFC;"
+| [[MediaWiki:Right-edit]]
+|
+* Edit pages
+* Edit this page
+| Incorrect grammar for the list at [[Special:ListGroupRights]]<br />
+''edit:'' also feeds [[MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction]] "You do not have permission to $2, for the following {{PLURAL:$1|reason|reasons}}:"
+| We need to see where else this is used. Obviously it was changed for some reason, but the change could be out of date and may need to be removed. If it's still current, then the amount of ''sense'' made on the group rights page (''grammar'' is not a problem per se) is potentially a secondary concern, not a primary one
+:I think it's $2 in [[MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction]] -- "You do not have permission to $2, for the following {{PLURAL:$1|reason|reasons}}:" {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 20:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 |}
-::::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-== A solution to the problem ON WHEELS! ==
+Please check these out, and leave comments regarding any decisions on any of these. Thanks, {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 18:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
+:I replied to your, ahem, concerns. Thanks, Chaps, for not burdening us with more pressing matters, like toons, so we can take care of stuff like this. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
+::Yeah, really helps us... err... refine our wiki :-) {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 19:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
+:::I set the table row color by status -- green=pending, grey=no action. {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 20:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
-Willy on Wheels has decided that he likes this Wiki... but I'm wondering if there isn't some way to thwart him besides just reverting and blocking his names. On the "Protect" prompt, there is a button labelled "Protect from moves only." Is this what it sounds like? Can this be used to prevent a page from being moved... without making it uneditable? I think I would like to test this... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+== Use of <code>id</code> in templates ==
+As work was being done on [[sightings]] pages, I noticed that {{t|sightingslanguagewarning}} makes use of the <code>id</code> attribute for its box. Its value, which references another template that has the same thing, is "<code>[[Template:inprogress|inprogress]]</code>". The <code>id</code> attribute is, in part, the replacement for the <code>name</code> attribute, which creates an anchor: a "link" to a specific part of the page.
-Uh, Jay, this was already brung up. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+Two <code>id</code>s can never be the same on a page, as stated in this sentence from [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_8 section C.8 of the XHTML 1.0 specification]:
-: Was it? Hold on, let me look for it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+<blockquote>The values of these attributes must be unique within the document, valid, and any references to these fragment identifiers (both internal and external) must be updated should the values be changed during conversion.</blockquote>
-::Check out [[HRWiki:Da Basement#Willy On Wheels Strikes Again]]. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+If a value for <code>id</code> is used more than once, it will invalidate the page, [http://validator.w3.org/check?uri={{urlencode:{{fullurl:HRWiki:Sandbox|oldid=731671}}|query}}&group=1 as demonstrated in this link] ({{p|l={{fullurl:HRWiki:Sandbox|oldid=731671&action=edit}} here's the code}}). Three errors are from multiple occurrences of the same <code>id</code> value. The remaining five demonstrate that there is a format to be followed, and an invalid format throw an error. In this example, headings that start with a number or special character generate invalid <code>id</code> values (see C.8). This is something MediaWiki does and it's practically out of our control. Note that headings with the same name are handled by MediaWiki to an extent.
-::: I see that now (dang me for not using Control-F). Tom seems to think it a bad idea, but as I stated up there:
+Looking through [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], the only selection by <code>id</code> that's of concern is <code>#navbox</code>. However, those style rules are also applied to the class <code>navbox</code>, and I believe that most if not all navigation templates get their styles from using the <code>class</code> attribute.
-:::''I see where you're coming from, and this applies to many pages... but to 'toon pages? I mean, is [[suntan]] or [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] likely to be moved legitimately at any point in the future?'' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+Lastly, if this rant seems familiar, I did go on about [[HRWiki talk:Standards#ids|the use of this attribute on table rows]] a year and so ago.
-I like this Wiki because I don't want to lose my sysop account on Wikipedia!  Since I don't get to be a sysop here, I just vandalize! [[User:WOW sock|WOW sock]] 21:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+''In summary'', I wish to recommend that users be cautious as to add <code>id</code> attributes to templates, or anything that may be used more than once on a page, and, likewise, using this attribute to apply styles. In addition, I wish to recommend that users who see an <code>id</code> attribute causing a ruckus  resolve it in some manner or remove it. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 21:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
-:If you didn't vandalize, then you could become a sysop here, too. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
-::EDIT: Woah! I forgot who this guy was. Do all of his accounts have any kind of common IP? We could do an IP range block...if you can do that on MediaWiki. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
-:::Unfortunately, I believe Willy has a dynamic IP. It changes every time he enters the site. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-It's now becoming obvious that a waiting period of at least one day should be enacted before a user can move pages. We've had about 3 WoWs in the same number of hours, and I honestly think those sockpuppets could have been blocked given the usernames. If we change [[Template:welcome]] to reflect this, then I don't think new users will have much of a problem with not being able to move pages. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:59, 24 October 2005 (BST)
+== Dropdown Menu Support ==
-==Willy On Wheels Strikes Again==
+Will the HRWiki be compatible with dropdown menus sometime? Purple Wrench has a great idea for a restyling of the @StrongBadActual page, but a dropdown menu that would allow him to compact all the transcripts would benefit the page greatly. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 03:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
+:To generalize, having '''''any''''' sort of hide/show functionality for a section of text would help. In addition, the page (both as it appears now ''and'' if my redesign is used instead) will appear broken unless the issues regarding automatic resizing of gifs are sorted out. I am aware that both of these tasks are not trivial, but they would be necessary for a page that has the potential to grow very quickly and be populated with gifs. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 12:28, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
+:: Sometime? Yes! Soon? Well... no promises, but I do intend to get back into active development for this site, and creating a better user experience for this day and age is tops on my list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
+:::If you just configured the server to resize [[:File:twitter sillysoolnds.gif|twitter sillysoolnds.gif]] correctly, I thank you for doing so. There are a few more gifs I uploaded in August for [[@StrongBadActual]] that don't resize yet ([[:File:heavenstaxforreals.gif|this]] and [[:File:Casiostaxx.gif|this]]). --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 12:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
+::::Looks like they're both working now too. Thanks! --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 19:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
-''I don't think that he is going to come back. I think that he knows that this is a lot smaller than Wikipedia, and will move to a different wiki.'' -- [[User:Rogue Leader|<span style="color:#00AF33">Rogue Leader</span>]]
+== Personal info of real persons ==
-Looks like that's not the case. Just thought I'd meantion to whoever didn't know, he just struck again, moved a bunch of pages, and was valiantly thwarted by [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]. Isn't there anything more we can do that will be a bit longer lasting than a few days? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:29, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+I did a little digging and couldn't find anything on this subject (if anyone knows where we've talked about it before, please link to it here). Lately there's been an uptick of personal information on articles about real people that seems a little... over the line. I can't say for sure because to my knowledge we've never actually defined a line (other than limiting certain information about minors). So what should the line be? Obviously anything mentioned directly on the official site is fair game, but thus far we haven't limited ourselves to that. We include information from interviews and the like. That said, just because a scrap of data can be found on an obscure website somewhere doesn't automatically mean it should be here. This is a bit unfocused, so I think I'll stop talking and open the floor for others' thoughts and concerns. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
+:There's all sorts of information about practically everyone in the world which really ought to be private information, which most people would probably prefer if it would remain private information, but which, because of the age we live is, is now easily accessible to anyone on the internet. I think that the natural cutoff point here is probably that anything which has been deliberately publicized in relation to The Family Chaps's creative endeavors is fine, but that out of respect to their privacy, information from any other source which is not directly linked to their public lives as writers/producers should be off-limits. Practically, that would mean that we should avoid making use of things like phonebook databases, people search services, background check engines, etc. On the other hand, any information from the toons, DVD commentaries, interviews, press releases, Strong Bad's social network accounts, TBC's other projects, and even databases like IMDB which are specifically geared toward the video entertainment industry ought to be fair game. I think it's only common decency to say that we don't publish any information that TBC themselves haven't already indicated is intended to be in the public eye. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
+:::Please excuse my brevity, but I wholly agree with Defender's definition of "the line".  Just because information can be found doesn't mean it should all be published.  In addition to that, I believe that a new [[:Category:HRWiki Policy|Policy page]] be created to specifically explain what the line is and why we've drawn it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
+::::I agree with DeFender and Stux. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 18:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
-:Kilroy did the blocking, but don't forget [[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]]. He moved the pages back to where they belong so fast that I couldn't even help him. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+== AFJAOBN ==
-::I have added [[User:Be's careful]] to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels|Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels]]. See the inter-wiki section. He not only vandalizes WP and Wikitionary, but WP in other languages, and other wikis like ours. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:00, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+I think that [[HRWiki:April Fools' Jokes and Other Baleeted Nonsense]] has run its course. The wiki hasn't done a proper gag in years, and every single "prank" done by users is lame. No offense, but changing your sig and your user page has been ''done''. I get the strong feeling some people come back once a year just so that they can do something that gets posted on that page. I'd really like to lock it, and unless somebody can make an extremely good case for why it needs to stay open, I plan do to so. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+:Well, I think some people enjoy it and it isn't harming anyone or anything soooo... I feel like that's a pretty good reason? {{User:The thing/sig}} 02:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+::For about five years running you did exactly what I was talking about. The harm is that it's disruption not to be clever or funny but for its own sake. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::Much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Dot com. It was total loads of fun back in the wiki's heyday when we had a lot of active users who would do April Fools' stuff, and then would continue to interact with each other in ways relating to their joke. Now that the wiki is pretty much dead save for a handful of people, that isn't really how it happens anymore. We're basically left with a few edited userpages that no one would even be looking at were it not for the edits being made to them, along with some other disruptive behaviors such as adding nonsense that no one cares about to talk pages that no one has looked at in years. At this point, it's all just become stale. Sadly, there's not enough of a userbase for it not to be stale. We had a good run, but until and unless TBC start updating weekly again and we get a huge influx of users which causes the wiki to return to its former glory, we need to put Apro Foo Day out to pasture. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+::::I'm here in support of DC's and DeFender's position.  These days some users just simply want to one-up the previous year's or another user's randomness.  I'm fine with just keeping this page locked for historical purposes.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::::Oppose. This particular April Fools' Day has had more participants than any of the previous four years - without coinciding with a H*R update, no less. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 13:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+::::::To be clear, I'm not suggesting a wholesale ban on users changing their sigs or whatever they've been doing; I just don't think we should keep a record of it anymore. (If we ever do a wiki-wide prank again, that can still be noted.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+<pre>The April Fools’ Day page has brought so many people joy.
+And by “so many”, I mean those few it did not annoy.
+And if it’s locked forever, never to be changed again,
+Then April’s reemergence of those old users will end.
+No more rare appearances of people lost to time,
+Like wind caressing crystals in forgotten caves and mines.
+The truth is if the page gets its abilities revoked,
+That marks the end of The_thing’s twelve year streak of stupid jokes.
+And yes I know that certain men would love to see me sad,
+I purposely have vexed you for a decade, is that bad?
+So, if you must, protect the page and ruin all those dreams
+Left gazing into voids of empty memories unseen.</pre> {{User:The thing/sig}} 17:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+:Did you even read my comment above? We have no current plans to stop people from doing the stupid stuff they do on April 1. The only difference is we're not going to record what they do in a centralized place. If that's a dealbreaker—in other words, if someone is doing something ''only'' so they can be listed on that page—then they're doing it for the wrong reasons. That's precisely what locking the page aims to curb. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+::Personally I liked having all of the stuff in one place, so a user could look through all of them at once on any given day of the year. That said, I definitely see both sides of the issue here. If the page is locked... okay, it's still there for posterity. Then I'd just take the list of stuff I did and stick it on a page in my own userspace, and in that case I'd recommend other users do the same. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 23:50, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
+:::You're free to list your own stuff, I guess, but we're not going to move a centralized list to the user space. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
-This guy has some serious problems.  At least it isn't nearly as bad as Wikipedia. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:09, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+== The Deleteheads Download Blockquote ==
-:Dude! He's a wiki-vandalism-maniac! (Excuse the non-SySop-type person post please.) --[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 22:21, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+I made a blockquote-type thing for the page [[The Deleteheads Download]], but I can't add it because I can't edit [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. Can a sysop add this? Feel free to make any changes!
+<pre>
+ .DeleteheadsDownload<!--you can change the title to whatever you want--> {
+    background: url(/images/c/c8/DeleteheadsDownloadBackground.png) repeat-y;
+    padding: .5em 1em 1em;
+    width: 600px
+ }
+</pre>
+{{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
+:Done. I went with just <code>.deleteheads</code> and made some small adjustments to the padding and width. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:41, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
-::Oh man. That guy is. . . well, persistent normally applies to diligent, good-natured people, but Willy is darn persistent on Wikipedia. Wow. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 1:51, 17 Sep 2005 (CST)
+== Oldest Downloads Menu Mirror ==
-:Ah peas! He's back, as [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]]! Didn't someone block the IP range last time this happened? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:34, 23 September 2005 (BST)
+Dear Sysops:<br>
+I [[User:CoachZiscool1978|CoachZiscool1978]] request that you create a mirror for the [[Oldest Downloads Menu]]. It may take as much time as it needs but, I have overwhelming support... (by overwhelming I mean one [[User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc|Gfdgsgxgzgdrc]].) Still! I hope you do it for me, in your eyes, I'm a wiki user, In my family's eyes, I'm a son, or grandson, or even nephew but in my heart I'm a Homestar Runner fan and I'm a historical preserver...<br>
+Anxiously awaiting a reply: {{User:CoachZiscool1978/sig}}
-:It's like playing pong...yeah, that address needs to be blocked. Now. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}16:36, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+:I've changed it to a local mirror.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Wait, so he moved pages and now is removing his vandilisim?  What the heck?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 16:41, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+== Long-term inactivty ==
-::<strike>Well, he's still moving stuff, so he's not repentant. It's an insincere apology, I think.</strike> Man, in the five minutes I go to put a pizza in the oven, look what happens. You'd think he'd tire of this by now. He's been doing it forever. What kinda pleasure does he get from it? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-::'''EDIT:''' Misread the recent changes. He did stop, but I still don't buy his story.
-::Dunno - I mean, if annoying people you don't know is how you get through the day, then that's what you do. It's curious, though - without the internet, what would this guy/girl do? Make prank phone calls? It almost makes me want to crack the old pscyh books and try to figure out what stage of mental development everything went wrong for this guy...almost. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 16:51, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+Wikipedia (and if I'm not mistaken, every other Wiki in existence) has recently taken to desysopping admins who have not edited in a long time. Any chance we could do the same thing? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 10:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
-:::Or maybe he's just plain bored.  (I'd like to think I have a bit of expertise in the matter, being WOW myself.) [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:54, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+:And the reason to do this would be...? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
+::I ''slightly'' agree. After all, what's the point of an administrator who hasn't edited in a decade? By my calculations, about 1/5 admins haven't edited in eight or more years. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
+:::Here's a full list of admins' most recent edits:
+<table width="25%">
+<autocolumn cols="3" style="font-size:85%">
+*2019 x5
+*2018 x2
+*2017
+*2016 x2
+*2015
+*2014 x2
+*2013 x2
+*2011 x3
+*2010
+*2009 x2
+*2008 x2
+*2006 x2
+*2005
+</autocolumn>
+</table>
+:::We have five active admins (those who have edited this year), eight inactive admins (those who have edited since 2014), and thirteen admins with practically no chance of ever editing again (those who haven't edited since 2014). That means exactly ''half'' of the admins haven't edited since [[April Fool 2014]]. Seven of them haven't even edited ''this decade''. And the decade is practically over! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
+::::Speaking of inactive sysops, there should probably be a few more sysops to replace the old ones. The last time someone was promoted was in 2007, and that user hasn't edited in over eight years. There are a lot of helpful active users nowadays who could do a lot of good with admin [[privileges|priv-a-le-ges... I guess]]. The wiki might run more smoothly and effectively when there aren't a select few people doing all the important stuff. Things might get done faster this way. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
+:::::What things do you think are not getting done? -[[Special:Contributions/174.62.238.201|174.62.238.201]] 13:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
+::::::I think that things like [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|deleting pages]], blocking vandals, [[:Category:Page Maintenance|discussions]] (like the ones on this very page), getting approval for important decisions (like this one), and so forth {{--}} even smaller, less important things, like changing the CSS for holidays or updating the featured content {{--}} might be done more quickly with more people involved. Also, the wiki runs on an outdated and unsupported version of MediaWiki from ten years ago, which is a bit dangerous for our security, and more active sysops might help fix that. In short, I think more help would be helpful. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
+:::::::Of the things you listed, the only thing that really even applies to sysops is blocking vandals, which is generally a matter of luck as to whether there will be an active sysop when vandalism happens. True more sysops meaans more likelihood of there being one on when a vandal hits, but we don't get all that much vandalism and it's usually taken care of relatively quickly. As for the rest, let me explain why they don't apply to sysops:
+:::::::*Deleting pages - Most of the undeleted pages are due to lack of consensus on deletion discussions rather than lack of sysops to perform the deletions.
+:::::::*Discussions -  Anyone on the wiki can participate in discussions. You don't need to be a sysop to do that. Again, this is more a matter of a lack of general inactivity than it is lack of sysops. Having more sysops is not going to encourage more activity.
+:::::::*Getting approval for important decisions (like this one) - Only site admins can approve new sysops. Anything else that needs approval is done by consensus, not by sysop authority. There may be actions that only a sysop can take to make something happen once consensus has been reached, but as with deletion, it's a matter of having enough activity to get consensus.
+:::::::*And so forth -  And so forth.
+:::::::*Changing the CSS for holidays or updating the featured content - I believe that there are elements of both of these that can only be done by a site admin rather than a sysop, and at least the former tends to be done on a pretty reasonable timeframe.
+:::::::*The wiki runs on an outdated and unsupported version of MediaWiki - This one is definitely something that can only be done by a site admin. I'm certain they are aware of it and have plans to deal with it.
+:::::::In short, I doubt there's much need for more sysops, and the issues you raise mostly have more to do with general inactivity anyway. One last thing I'd point out is that the wiki's general sysop nomination policy is "[[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|don't call us, we'll call you]]", that suggestions to add more sysops have historically been met with suspicion and resentment from regular users, and that generally only the site admin team decides whether and when more sysops are necessary. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:51, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
+::::::::Oh, okay. That makes sense. Nevermind then! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
-:Maybe there's more than one or something?  I mean, anyone could create a WOW style account and start moving pages.  I could be a respected contributor or something.  [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:49, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+== Outdated Chat Clients ==
+:''Moved from [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]''
+I know for sure that there's still plenty of buzz going around about Homestar and the gang (Especially with the new sbemail released), but my concern is that not a whole lot of people use IRC anymore, I propose that the Admins make an Official Homestar Runner Wiki Discord Server. This way we can do get together and make editing and sharing thoughts a lot easier (If this already exists, Great! Let's try to make it more known) {{unsigned|DonPianta|19:43, 17 August 2017}}
+:I agree. IRC Channels are horribly outdated and this would be a great improvement for Wiki discussion. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 22:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
+::I agree as well. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
+:::Now that the topic has been {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=778426&oldid=777799 brought up again}} by an anonny, I still think this is a good idea. I've been on the IRC channel a few times, and it is very inactive. Plus, you can only see messages posted when you are online, whereas with Discord, you can view all messages, making discussions more convenient. This way, you don't have to be online 24/7, and if you exit, you can go back and read messages you've missed. Discord is less outdated and more useful in nearly every way. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 18:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::Also, this is an especially good idea considering how inactive the forum has been. Discord is a good alternative way to discuss toons and updates, and is practically guaranteed to be more active than the forum, considering how many people use Discord. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
+:::::Guess what else is inactive? The Wiki. And as I've said numerous times, there's no point in making a significant change to a Wiki that has lost most of its userbase. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 02:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::::You use that as your excuse for everything. Yes, the wiki is less active than it used to be. So what? Why should that keep us from making changes to improve it, and maybe even make it more active? And who's to say this wiki won't become ''more'' active over the years? We may not have that many users right now, but the users we ''do'' have would surely appreciate a more convenient way to communicate. Inactivity shouldn't stop us from making a better wiki. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 06:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::::How is making a discord channel a “significant change to the wiki” even? -[[Special:Contributions/174.62.238.201|174.62.238.201]] 15:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::Um, what is this... "Discord" you speak of? [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 15|Is a... food?]] Shoehorned referencing aside, I know I'm only an anonymous contributor that only shows up for small things. I have to admit I haven't logged on to a forum for ten years (ugly memories) and have no social media accounts (I believe they are places of evil that consume their user's brains). So I'm a a lot [[Strong Bad's Technology|behind the times and I prefer it that way]]. So I guess having a dedicated chatroom doesn't really apply to me that much. Guess I'll probably go back to expressing myself in edit summaries and hope I'm understood. [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 13:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::::::Right now, we have three users in favor, and one opposed. Anyone else? I see many reasons to do it, and no reasons not to. I think it'll make everything more convenient, and the wiki more active. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
+In order to revive this proposal, here is a list of advantages Discord has over IRC.
+*On IRC, you can only see messages sent during your session, which means if you want to see all messages, you have to be online 24/7. On Discord, you can see every message at any time, so you don't always have to be online. It's less of a commitment.
+*It's far more convenient. You can have multiple channels per server, so we can dedicate one to announcements, another for serious discussions, one for welcoming new users and explaining the rules, one for discussing site updates, and so forth.
+*No one uses IRC. I don't just mean it's outdated (even though yes, it's definitely outdated, and [[wikipedia:Internet Relay Chat|usage has been declining steadily since 2003]]), but no one on the wiki is ever online. Discord, on the other hand, is used by many. I usually keep it open in a tab in the background, so if I want to drop in, I'd just have to click the HRWiki server icon. The [https://discordapp.com/channels/397308577380958228 Fanstuff Wiki 2 server] is quite active, and used by a few HRWiki users, and it's not even official.
+*In order to research these examples, I tried going on IRC, but it wouldn't let me answer the security question (it just showed a blank white screen), so I couldn't enter. That's a sign that we severely need a new method of chat.
+*[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Discord|Wikimedia has its own Discord server]]. Why shouldn't we do the same?
+Just think of the possibilities. With an active chat, discussions can be resolved faster, proposals can be implemented quicker, ongoing discussions can be grouped together in one central area, more users would be encouraged to participate, and the live nature of it makes it easier to communicate. We would usher in a new era of the wiki, free of stagnant proposals like this one. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but still, I can see no reason not to do this. So far, the only reason against it has been "it's not worth it", but setting up a server would take all of one minute. I would go ahead and make a dedicated HRWiki server myself, but then it wouldn't be deemed official. So, do the admins have an opinion on this? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+: I'll throw my vote in for Discord. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 00:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+::I've also occasionally suggested setting up a Discord server to my fellow sysops, so I'm highly in favour of an official wiki one. For those who do still use IRC, I know bridge bots exist to link the IRC and Discord chat together (I'm in a server that uses one, so I have direct help if we want/need to set one up). I'm also told it would also be remarkably easy to set up a Discord bot that imitates the functions of our RCBot that keeps track of the recent changes. I'll be honest, that's actually what I use the IRC for most often, and largely the reason I'm still active on the wiki. I'd love to move to Discord and even be able to keep track of the wiki on my phone. Let's bring wiki chats into the 21st century~ --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::As one of the few Luddite holdouts on IRC, I'd like to see the technology not be fully abandoned in favor of shiny walled gardens with fancy bells and whistles.  If an official Discord channel is created I would definitely like to see a bridge bot implemented so those of us "on the fringe" can still stay in touch.  I'd hate to see something like Mozilla [https://www.ghacks.net/2019/04/28/mozilla-to-drop-irc-as-main-communications-platform/ where they completely abandoned IRC and moved everything to Matrix].  Matrix is probably one of the more open options out there, but to me this always means having to install and try out new software just to try and get connected. I'd rather not have to try new software for every project out there.  And several of the concerns above aren't necessarily valid (IRC does let you have multiple channels, bouncers help with the 24/7 problem, and the hrwiki IRC client doesn't work because it ran on Java, which was killed faster than Flash was.) Most of the issues with using IRC are technical, which gives most people a hard time and dissuade them from trying out the technology, so I can understand the decline in interest.  So, again, I would prefer to have options where everyone can use their favourite technology and still remain in touch.  (There was also a comment above I'd like to echo: current IRC usage reflects current wiki usage.  Discord usage might face similar trends.)  Okay, enough ranting.  Have a good night everyone! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:Just a point of order, even if we did set up a Discord server, all wiki content and policy discussions would still have to take place—or at least be duplicated—on wiki talk pages, so I don't know that anything would necessarily be resolved any faster. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
+::::Exactly, I'm not saying we should abandon IRC entirely, but it shouldn't be our sole method of real-time, off-wiki communication. The best option is to be able to have, well, options. As for "Discord usage may reflect wiki usage", that is a likely possibility, but not an inevitability. As I've said, I already keep Discord open in a tab on my computer, and I'm sure many others do the same, so making a comment there will probably be easier than doing the same on the wiki. The Homestar Fanstuff Wiki 2 Discord, for instance, is more active than the wiki it's based on, because Discord is just that popular. I am aware that these discussions would have to be duplicated on the wiki, but that's better than stagnant discussions that go nowhere. Sure, a Discord server probably won't change much, but on the other hand, maybe it will, so why not?
+::::Also, I apologize for speaking so harshly against IRC earlier. I wasn't aware that my concerns were invalid, and should have done more research before discussing the features IRC was seemingly lacking. But still, even if these features are present on IRC, they are more streamlined on Discord. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
+:I'd love to see an official HRWiki Discord server happen as well :)  I'd join it in a heartbeat.  It would be a great way to help energize the H*R community and provide another place to get people talking about H*R again. {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 19:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
+::Anyone up to taking up the glove and setting up a discord channel? I'm all for it. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 09:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::[[User:Tom|Tom]] created [[HRWiki:Discord server]]. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
-:But you're a page-move vandal. Were you planning on contributing? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}
+== Main Page Redesign Notice ==
-::Maybe, if I can find something to contribute.  If not, I won't vandalize UNLESS I am blocked. [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:56, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
-:::There's always something to contribute. Everyone has a specialty. Some people just help with smaller edits and things. You don't need to do something big to be respected. Take me for example. I was here for months before we found a use for my [[Sound Effects|love of making lists]]. But page-moving's not a good way to get noticed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-:::I know, so I'm now trying to find an anon welcome template (see my contributions for my attempt at welcoming an anon.) [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 17:01, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
-::::Okay, Walker, it's like this: this is a community. Certain behaviors are expected from members of the community. A new member of the community might not initially realize what they are doing is not approved by the community until somebody tells them so. And, as a representative of the community, I'm telling you: you cannot come in here, vandalize half a dozen pages, repent, and then threaten to do it again ''if'' you are blocked. I'm sorry to say you ''will'' be blocked, because people are blocked for behavior nowhere near as bad as yours was. If you are truly sorry for what you've done, that's fine - but that still doesn't erase the fact that you kept at it for over five minutes. The sysops are not very forgiving of such willful and brazen behavior, and whether or not they forgive your behavior is entirely up to them.{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 17:08, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
-'''Uh-oh!''' Now I see a user called [[User:No_wheels|No wheels]]. Don't know if it's WOW, but this person blanked [[Gavin]] except for the words "No wheels". could somebody please check him/her out? Name sounds close, but I don't know just how comparatively close it is to all the other incarnations of WOW. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:31, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+In just over a week, it will be the two year anniversary of the suggestion to [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 46#Updated Main Page|redesign the Main Page]]. The [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|discussion]] hasn't been very active, and hardly anyone is contributing, despite the fact that this could be one of the largest, most important wiki edits in years. I suggest putting a header over the [[Main Page]], [[Template:recentchangesnotice|recent changes]], or even the [[MediaWiki:sitenotice|entire wiki]]. After all, we did it when we were {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:recentchangesnotice&oldid=385175 redesigning the logo}}. Something like this, perhaps:
+{| cellpadding=3 class="messagebox" style="margin:auto; background-color: #EEF; color:#000; text-align: center; border: 1px #00F solid; font-size: 90%;" |
+| [[File:No Loafing 2.png|40px]]
+| '''The Homestar Runner Wiki is considering [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|redesigning the Main Page]].'''<br />Your '''[[HRWiki:Main page redesign/Votes|votes]]''' would be greatly appreciated.
+|}
+{{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
+:The main page is still outdated, and not much is being done about it. I think this notice would be a good way to inform users of the update, and get more peoples' opinions. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
+::One somewhat related thing I'd like to point out: the new page design includes twitter updates, however tweets have not been regularly updated since around october. I think that activating the new design (in whatever form it may have) requires a concerted effort to regularly update these tweets. (And I, personally, do not have the time to help out with said task.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
+:::It doesn't need to be updated regularly just yet, but when it replaces the main page, I'll make sure it stays updated. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
+::::Anyone else have an opinion on this? This is a good way to get more users into the discussion and finally get a consensus on possibly the most important wiki decision of recent times. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 19:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
+:::::It has been over three years since the update was suggested, and I think it's at least as important as changing the logo, which had a notice above the recent changes. There is so much empty space and outdated information on the current main page, and the [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|new one]] is much more informative and aesthetically pleasing in my opinion, and yet nothing is being done about it. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:35, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
+::::::Adding this notice is another obvious decision that I would make myself if I had the rights. The Main Page is undergoing a major necessary change, but nothing's changing without involvement. And what better way to get involvement than from a technique we've used before? It seemed to work fine when we did it for the new logo. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::I generally try not to "bump" discussions with nothing more to add than "This still hasn't happened", but... yeah, this still hasn't happened. And not only that, but no one has commented on the suggestion. I find the new main page so much better in so many ways, and each day it pains me to know that it is merely rotting away in the HRWiki namespace, for I know not when its beauty may be unleashed unto the world for all wiki-goers to gaze upon in awe and profound admiration for years to come. So, bump. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::Count in my vote for a redesign notice. It seems like one of the best ways to get this www dot main page redesign on the road dot com, and that seems like a thing that should happen. {{User:Lira/sig}} 09:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::Most users probably aren't even aware of the redesign, as it only shows up on recent changes occasionally. This would be a way to raise awareness of the project, since we need much more involvement if we want to have consensus. Now that there's a [[HRWiki:Main page redesign/Votes|voting page]] for users to easily give their input, now's a better time than ever. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
+::::::::::I agree with a main page header, I only noticed it because I crawl around Recent Changes and other talk/project pages. The most-voted-on one only has five votes and there are more active users than that. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
-:According to [[Special:Log/Block|the block log]], he's got a ban of indefinite for been WoW. So presumably, yes, he is WoW. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 07:36, 28 September 2005 (BST)
+== @StrongBadActual Bot ==
-:Another Troll. His name's [[User:Hydro]]. He's blanked or vandalized at least 50 pages within the past half hour or so. Maybe a Wow? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:32, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+===Twitter Bot General Discussion===
+I was thinking, since we have a [[User:XMLbot|bot]] that automatically checks homestarrunner.com's XML files and updates the [[XML Sources]] page, is it possible to do the same thing for [[@StrongBadActual]]? They're usually out of date, and it takes a while to update. After a certain interval of time, the bot could check for new Tweets or replies, and edit the page accordingly. The text, date, ID, and reply username (if applicable) would automatically be added, and fun facts and other information can be added manually. [[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/973217646765277186|Can it work?]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
+:That's not a bad idea, but unless you want to code it yourself and turn it over to the wiki, I wouldn't look for it anytime soon. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
+::It certainly would be nice not having to visit Twitter to see Homestar Runner Twitter-exclusive updates.  I don't understand coding, but the general idea is to have a bot scanning the @StrongBadActual Twitter feed for updates, read them, and then update the HRWiki with the relevant data in the correct format. Sounds like a tall order. But given the kind of site Twitter is, I'd wonder if such a The Tweetbot would either be shut down by or lucratively financed by Twitter if discovered. You think some type of [[more armies|B4KDØR H4XXØR]] has already written some type of [[Edgar]]ware that can do that sort of thing? [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 04:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
+:::I mean, twitter does have APIs for exactly this sort of thing, and I've seen other bots for automatically posting tweets to facebook or discord, so twitter actually wants people to do this sort of thing, and there's no B4KDØR H4XXØR even required. The issue here is that the admins probably don't have the time to actually do it, what with the whole "they don't get paid for any of this and that would be majorly time consuming" thing... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
+::::I know this is an old discussion, and I don't really spend any time on Twitter at all or know how to use a Twitter bot, but the wiki's Twitter archive pages still aren't being updated regularly. I'm just thinking of suggesting that if someone does create a Homestar Runner Wiki twitter updater bot, could we call it the [[Fat Bluebird]], or some variation thereof? (Gave me a chuckle, anyway). -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 00:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
+That's a clever name, and it fits with other bot names, like [[User:The Cheatbot|The Cheatbot]]. I like it. And since I know nothing about bots, I'll try to help as much as I can by creating a detailed description to guide the bot-makers.<br/>
+:''Guide has been moved [[#Twitter Bot Technical Notes|here]].
+Hope it helps! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
+:Hi Gfd, I hope you don't mind me pulling your guide into its own [[#Twitter Bot Technical Notes|separate subsection]]. I've also copied the [[Talk:@StrongBadActual|wishlist]] to create a single reference point for bot development. Cheers! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
-::Just a regular troll.  Blanking's not Willy's MO. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 12:34, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+===Twitter Bot Technical Notes===
-:::Maybe so, but that doesn't make him any less annoying. He needs to be blocked. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:35, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
+'''Things to detect:'''
+*Tweet ID
+*Tweet Date and time in UTC
+*Number of images
+*Tweet text
+*If there is a video
+*Whether the Tweet is a reply
+**Which username the reply was to
+*Whether the Tweet has a link (in a clickable box, not just a URL)
+**The URL of the link
+*Whether it is a Retweet
+**Which username Tweeted it originally
+'''Things to do:'''<br>
+''<nowiki>{{{Triple brackets}}}</nowiki> represent variables.''
+{| class="wikitable" width="50%"
+! If... || Then...
+|-
+|There is a Tweet
+|Add this to the top of the table:<pre>
+{{post
+|id={{{POST ID}}}
+|date={{{DATE}}}
+}}</pre>
+|-
+|There is text
+|Add <tt><nowiki>|text={{{TEXT}}}</nowiki></tt>.
+|-
+|There is an image or video
+|Add <tt><nowiki>|pic=Nophoto.PNG</nowiki></tt>.
+|-
+|There are multiple images
+|More lines, increasing the number (<tt>pic2</tt>, <tt>pic3</tt>) each time.
+|-
+|It is a reply
+|Add <tt><nowiki>|reply=[[twitter:{{{USERNAME}}}|@{{{USERNAME}}}]]</nowiki></tt>.
+|-
+|There is a link with a box
+|Add <tt><nowiki>|link=[{{{URL}}}]</nowiki></tt>.
+|-
+|It is a Retweet
+|Add <tt><nowiki>|retweet=[[twitter:{{{USERNAME}}}|@{{{USERNAME}}}]]</nowiki></tt> in place of "text".
+|}
-Oh my goodness... [[User:Me ON WHEELS!]], et al. '''(groan)'''. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+'''Examples:'''<br>
+[[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/1078803198125723648|This Tweet]] would be added by the bot as:
+<pre>
+{{post
+|id=1078803198125723648
+|pic=Nophoto.PNG
+|text=Today in obvious news: Videlectrix is suing Boardelectrix for causing Stinkoman Level 10 to be delayed. Naturally, they made a trailer to announce the delay.
+|date=28 Dec 2018
+}}
+</pre>
-:Okay, so, HomestarCoder, Me ON WHEELS!, and the hundreds of random created usernames that filled up the [[Special:Recent changes|recent changes]] page. Did you know that until HomestarCoder moved it, [[User:Stu|Stu]]'s user page hadn't been touched for two days less than a full year? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+[[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/1089171328089948160|This reply]] would be added by the bot as:
+<pre>
+{{post
+|id=1089171328089948160
+|text=Aw man! You coulda at least linked to my official YT page for that email that has decent sound and less ripped-from-the-web jankiness.
+|reply=[[twitter:AndrewDMth|@AndrewDMth]]
+|link=[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90X5NJleYJQ&feature=youtu.be]
+|date=26 Jan 2019
+}}
+</pre>
+'''Bot Goals and Requirements:'''
+:''Wish copied from Tweet Update Progress notice [[Talk:@StrongBadActual|here]].
+*Wish: A Twitter bot that would automatically update tweets ([[Fat Bluebird]])
+**needs account and [https://developer.twitter.com/ API access],
+**would be limited by the [https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html free tier].
+**It has to follow [https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/rate-limiting rate limiting rules].
+**A python API wrapper can be found [https://github.com/bear/python-twitter here].
+**An article that might help in development can be found [https://opensource.com/article/17/6/collecting-and-mapping-twitter-data-using-r here].
+**'''Advanced:''' If possible the tweet should also be automatically added to the [[Wikipedia:Internet Archive|Internet Archive]].
+**There are several bots that can be used as a starting point (see list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_bot#Python here]).  The most popular seems to be [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot Pywikibot].
+**The new bot should be open source except for the API key, that should never be public
+**The bot needs to use the post template above
+**The bot needs to determine the correct time zone and date for the tweet. See {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=@StrongBadActual_Tweets_2018&curid=57841&diff=795677&oldid=792211 this edit}} for reference.  Also, what is the "correct" time zone? Is it eastern time? (If so we must account for DST.)
+*Bot behavior:
+**The bot should regularly check with twitter for new tweets by @StrongBadActual (both new tweets are replies)
+**The bot should be able to scour @StrongBadActual tweet history and add missing tweets
+**'''Advanced:''' The bot should be able to scour @StrongBadActual tweet history and correct errors and formatting in existing tweets (this should be done manually, and perhaps with a preview feature so that we don't lose existing items such as fun facts and notes)
+**'''Advanced:''' The bot should upload images and video from @StrongBadActual tweets (from both missing images and new tweets)
+**'''Advanced:''' The bot should link these images to new and existing @StrongBadActual tweets
-::Note: Homestar Coder != HomestarCoder. ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+== Interwiki-style updates and maintenance ==
-:::It's kinda weird... EVERY time Willy's struck, I've been up getting something to eat. And half those times, it's been pizza. I should do the wiki a favour and stop eating, eh? Also, this was the first time I got moved in a Willy attack. And I also saw the names 'DorianBlack' and 'DorianWhite' among those new creations. I mus' be getting popular to have a play on my name for eventual trolling, eh? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-::::I was eating pizza too. Clearly pizza attracts Willy on Wheels. Also, "congrats" on getting your own troll-parody name ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+As of July 2018 there are two new subdomains of [[homestarrunner.com]]: {{p|l=http://new.homestarrunner.com new.homestarrunner.com}} and {{p|l=http://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com}}. It would be good to have interwiki links (<code><nowiki>[[new:|]]</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>[[trogdorboardgame:|]]</nowiki></code>) for both for ease of linkage. {{User:Lira/sig}} 06:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
+:I agree! (Though I s'pose that's kind of obvious, since there's not much reason to disagree. So, by "I agree", I mean "[[isp|do sum bow dis]]".) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
+::Hey! While we're at it, maybe we could add link prefixes for some other sites that have become relevant recently:
+::*<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{p|l=https://teespring.com teespring}}:|]]</code> Strong Bad's Specialty Shoppe (which we also badly need a page for but that's another issue)
+::*<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{p|l=https://www.fangamer.com fangamer}}:|]]</code> Fangamer store
+::*<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{p|l=https://songwhip.com songwhip}}:|]]</code> used to link to albums on the streamins
+::*<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{p|l=https://www.kickstarter.com kickstarter}}:|]]</code> stuff related to the [[Trogdor!! The Board Game]] campaign
+::*<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{p|l=https://www.twitch.tv twitch}}:|]]</code> streams linked to by Strong Bad a couple times; we wouldn't have to but we might as well
+::{{User:Lira/sig}} 08:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
+:::These links would be very useful and pretty and I think it would be really cool if we could do this. {{User:Lira/sig}} 05:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::I wonder if for some of these (like the less-often used ones or more transient ones) templates might be better solutions? For example: I'd imagine that new would eventually become the regular site and the regular site might become "old".  This would also make it easier for regular users to react to changes. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::::I can't think of any reasons templates would be preferrable, aside from the new site for the reason you gave (and even then, we can just change the links if we have to). Some of them would be less used, but if anything, I see that as ''more'' reason to use interwiki links rather than templates. After all, interwiki links are built into the wiki, while templates require their own pages. But yeah, I still support all of these. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
-:::::''(This snippet is the intended reply to these messages, copied from the section [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Deterrence|below]]):'' LOL. On my behalf "congratz" too! I can't say I have been so blessed (as you or Homestar Coder). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
+{| class="sortable plainlinks" border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 style="border-collapse:collapse" width="100%"
-Uh oh. Look at the first 29 users (I'm not sure about 1. ! though) on [[Special:Listusers]]. All of them have ON WHEELS, or a variant of an established username in the username. If you don't want to click the link, then
+|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
-<blockquote>
+! interwiki !! base !! wikitext !! example link
-# !
+|-
-# !!!!Willy on Wheels has an admin account on Wikipedia
+| <code>twitter</code> || <code><nowiki>http://twitter.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/1335688989219622916]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://twitter.com/StrongBadActual/status/1335688989219622916
-# !!!Wikipedia ON WHEELS!
+|-
-# !!!Willy ON WHEELS! AKA Homestar Coder
+| <code>youtube</code> || <code><nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[youtube:-9yIAFldCuk]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yIAFldCuk
-# !!AOL on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!Admin on WHEELS!!
+| <code>oldhr</code> || <code><nowiki>https://old.homestarrunner.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[oldhr:toons.html]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://old.homestarrunner.com/toons.html
-# !!BAZOOKA JOE ON WHEELS!!
+|-
-# !!Bubs on Wheels!!
+| <code>newhr</code> || <code><nowiki>http://new.homestarrunner.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[newhr:images/logo_200x200.png]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || [https://new.homestarrunner.com/images/logo_200x200.png <nowiki>https://new.homestarrunner.com/images/logo_200x200.png</nowiki>]
-# !!Coach Z on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!Grape Nuts on Wheels!!
+| <code>trogdorboardgame</code> || <code><nowiki>https://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[trogdorboardgame:videos.html]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com/videos.html
-# !!Homesar on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!Homestar runner on wheels!!
+| <code>sbattsg</code> || <code><nowiki>https://strongbadallthetimesogreat.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[sbattsg:A447FD258AEBF8C4D4C5C26D7C26BD03EBE704A6]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://strongbadallthetimesogreat.com/A447FD258AEBF8C4D4C5C26D7C26BD03EBE704A6
-# !!It's dot com!
+|-
-# !!Its dot org!!
+| <code>teespring</code> || <code><nowiki>https://teespring.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[teespring:stores/strong-bads-specialty-shoppe]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://teespring.com/stores/strong-bads-specialty-shoppe
-# !!JOEY DAY ON WHEELS!!
+|-
-# !!Jimbo Wales on Wheels!!
+| <code>fangamer</code> || <code><nowiki>https://www.fangamer.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[fangamer:collections/homestar-runner]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://www.fangamer.com/collections/homestar-runner
-# !!Marzipan on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!Spam on Wheels!!
+| <code>songwhip</code> || <code><nowiki>https://songwhip.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[songwhip:strong-bad]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://songwhip.com/strong-bad
-# !!Strong Bad on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!Strong Mad on Wheels!!
+| <code>kickstarter</code> || <code><nowiki>https://www.kickstarter.com/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[kickstarter:projects/1999933720/trogdor-the-board-game]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1999933720/trogdor-the-board-game
-# !!Strong Sad on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!The Cheat on Wheels!!
+| <code>twitch</code> || <code><nowiki>https://www.twitch.tv/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[twitch:strongbadactual]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://www.twitch.tv/strongbadactual
-# !!Vandal on Wheels!!
+|-
-# !!WILLY ON WHEELS
+| <code>imdb</code> || <code><nowiki>https://www.imdb.com/title/</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[imdb:tt0092455]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> || https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455
-# !!WILLY ON WHEELS!!
+|}
-# !!Wheels on Wheels!!
-# !!Wheels without Wheels!!
-# !!Wheels!!
-# !!Willy on Wheels!!</blockquote>
-:Can a sysop block all/most of these (depending if ! is WoW)? And the ON WHEELS users lower down on [[Special:Listusers]]? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 11:32, 25 October 2005 (BST)
-:::'''EDIT''': Whoops! According to [[Special:Log/block]], all of the above (except "!") were blocked this month. Sorry.
-::Well, Venusy, as noted in the following comments below, we might be able to, but it could be an inconvenience. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-::Hey guys, have you seen [[Wikipedia:User:Homestar_Runner_on_Wheels|this]] WOW sockpuppet? *Shudder* &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}}
-=== Deterrence ===
-''(This was a reply to Dorian Gray and Homestar Coder's messages on 15:22, 24 October 2005):'' LOL. On my behalf "congratz" too! I can't say I have been so blessed (as you or Homestar Coder). ''(From here on, this is a new topic):'' I was thinking, why not write a script that would prevent page moves/usernames to contain the string "ON WHEELS" (case insentive, ignore whitespace) that would disallow such moves/creations without the approval of an admin?  I'm not sure if this is what wikipedia does (it's [[Wikipedia:Willy_on_wheels|close]] but more stringent), and of course, the attacker can switch to "0n \/\/|=|33lz" or something crazy like that but at least it would deter the On wheels joke. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-:As an aside: In contrast to Wikipedia, HRwiki's page names are pretty static (that includes user names) -- generally things are added to the homestar world, note renamed, I don't see much harm in globally protecting all pages from being moved/renamed.  In the event of such necessity sysops could do the move/rename through some request system.  If this is too burdensome, is it possible to grant a certain set of non-sysop users page-move privileges?--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::While what you suggest is possible, it's best not to inconvience ourselves in any way, shape, or form because of a troll.  That's what they are trying to do and we should try not to help them.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::I agree with Tom, but I have a question. There was talk that this version of MediaWiki would prevent a user from moving pages until they had some small number of edits. This was to prevent Willy on Wheels so that we could catch them in the trolling edits stage rather than in the massive page-move stage. It also would not be much of an inconvenience to anyone since pages are moved so infrequently and usually moved by users who have been around at least a bit. Does this ability exist? What do you think about exercising it, if it does? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::I did see a mention of that somewhere before we installed 1.5, but I don't believe it actually exists/works.  There are bugs filed [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/] relating to the issue that I was hoping to link to, but I can't at the moment since the MediaWiki Bugzilla server is down.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::::Um, yeah nevermind my "on wheels" idea -- that's too cumbersome.  However, I don't see the 'move' protection idea that unfeasable.  If 1.5 does not implement that already I could forsee two simple(?) code changes: make all newly created pages move-protected by default (this would alter the PHP SQL query for handling new pages), and then apply an SQL script that would make all current pages move-protected.  This is assuming there is such a flag (I thought I remembered a discussion about some pages about this), which would allow general page edits, but not moves. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-This is a wiki.  The number ONE rule of any wiki is that anyone can edit.  So, maybe some annony thinks of a better name title down the road, tries to move it, and bam, he can't move it.  Reverting move trolling isn't that hard.  I think its even fun to combat our friend Willy. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-:I see where you're coming from, and this applies to many pages... but to 'toon pages? I mean, is [[suntan]] or [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] likely to be moved legitimately at any point in the future? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::Very true, but I really don't think that we shouldn't go to extremes to stop WOW.  i really think that it is simple to remove his moves (Excuse the pun). {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::: I disagree; an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::It is almost fun to stop his vandalism. I can imagine he's surprised at how resilient we are. I would rather block moves than have to deal with this, though. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
-:::::Jay, it is probably ok to block moves from 'toons and games, but other articles not so much.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:23, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::::I'm somewhere between Jay and Rogue, but leaning more toward Jay. I think you could protect basically anything that's not likely to change: Toons, Games, Characters... Anything that has an official name or isn't likely to be given an official name, due to its being a one-time joke or something. There's really very little that's likely to need a renaming. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-:::::::Yeah, thats what I meant.  Like, protect [[Homestar Runner]] from moves, but not [[Jack Hamma]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::::::I don't see what that would accomplish. There would be enough pages left that he could simply target those that remained unprotected. It takes just as much effort to have to fix a [[Jack Hamma]] that gets moved as it does a [[Strong Bad Email]]. And then there's also the danger, however unlikely, that a rarely-seen page would get lost in the shuffle. Therefore, since it would be such a hassle to pick and choose which pages to protect, and the benefit might not even be realized, I think the page-move protection should apply uniformly to every page with one setting (that Tom would handle) or not at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-I just can't imagine that he will this up for long.  He basically has no life and is probably under 13 years old.  He can't find this fun for long.  I think he gets the picture that every move he makes is fixed almost instantly.  He will get bored of this game soon.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::You'd think so, wouldn't you. People have predicted for a while that the attacks would stop eventually, but that does not seem to be the case. Additionally, we don't know how many copycats are out there. I doubt this is the same guy who's vandalizing Wikipedia (I mean, seriously, who are we?), but you never know. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-::: I realize that protecting only some of the pages from moves won't fix the problem completely, but I suspect that what he does is hit "Random Page" on the sidebar and move whatever he hits, sometimes targetting a specific page. (Because there really doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the pages he moves.) If a significant number of pages were protected from moves, it would, at the very least, be strong discouragement. And here's the big question: why ''not'' protect 'toon/character with official name pages from moves? What does it hurt if we do? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:29, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::: User pages need to be protected too -- it is not every day (except maybe upgrade to 1.5 day) that a user changes the name of his/her page (subpages perhaps, but even then).  I think it makes more sense (and would probably be less laborious) to protect all pages.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::: It's not that I disagree, because I don't, but many people (including, apparently, Tom) don't like the concept of making lesser pages unmoveable by ordinary users. I was trying to find a middle ground, but I do agree that page moves are mostly unnecessary on this Wiki - only a very few pages here are likely to ever be moved, especially since most of the big pages are given the same name as 'toons or characters that TBC do. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:52, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::::: I am pulling a John Kerry on this one, but now I think that it isn't the wiki way.  [[HRWiki_talk:The_Stick]] says that, while a page may not be edited, it is still an extreme to protect it. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::::: But apparently trolling is the Wiki way? I'm not suggesting that we protect the pages from any edits at all, I'm merely suggesting that we prevent pages that have no excuse to be moved from being moved. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
-::::::::That's not going to solve anything. There will always be movable pages in the Talk:, User:, User talk:, HRWiki, HRWiki talk:, Template:, Template talk:, Help:, and Help talk: namespaces. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 11:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::::::::Yes, that is why my suggestion has been to protect from any moves '''all''' pages within this site, but not protect them from edits. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
-Okay, seriously. Someone take a good look at the [[Special:Log/move|Move Log]]. The only non-vandal and non-de-vandal edits were the removal of minor typos, changed usernames from the last move, and mis-remembering which toon a STUFFed fact came from: 7 in the last 100 or so, 5 of them by sysops anyway. 9 in the last 200. Sooner or later, someone's likely to miss one of Willy's vandal moves for even just a little too long. It's such an easy fix that will barely impact the regular usage of the Wiki. Are we just going to keep letting him do it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
-:I say no. We won't let him. Why even have the 'protect from page moves only' option if not to use it against vandals? I see very little drawback to it, especially after you posted those figures. I'm all for move protection to any extent. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-::I too am in agreement with {{User:Jay/sig}} to protecting page moves from all but sysops, or perhaps a seperate group of any common trusted users below sysops with page move privilages. I'm sure that he would probably just move on to edit or page create vandalisms, but it would be an easier revert than moves. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
-:::I agree with Thunderbird, here. The topic of "mover" users has been brainstormed before, and it would be a nicer alternative then having to manually revert every WOW move. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
-And now I'd just like to point this thing out again... As if we need reminding after today's hat trick. Surely anyone who was present during this can agree that we need to start the page-move protection for, well, just about everything. There was even an occurrence which a page was updated while under its WoW influence (a STUFF page, I believe). This needs to stop, yeah? We've seen the statistics, and the damage. Now we need some action. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
+Someone please fill in the table above. The thing I most need to know is whether the base for a given interwiki link should be a simple link to the domain (like Twitter) or something more complex that makes prettier shortcuts (like YouTube). Also I changed "new" to "newhr" because the former was too simple. If you'd like something different, please say so. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
-: If it was up to me, I'd have already done something. But it's not up to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
+:Done. The bases for these are all pretty simple. And "newhr" works for me. {{User:Lira/sig}} 22:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
-:Here, here!! I'm all for it after today's "hat trick", as DorianGray called it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
+::If we want icons for any of these links, here are some: [http://trogdorboardgame.homestarrunner.com/favicon/favicon.ico trogdorboardgame], [https://teespring.com/compiled_assets/shared/favicon-04c7467dcced3dc43c150d0bac2622b5ad19d8a837db0fcf5fdbac297ea75d92.ico teespring], [https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0014/1962/t/48/assets/favicon-32x32.png?v=4924675089918890079 fangamer], [https://songwhip.com/static/icons/favicon-32x32.png songwhip], [https://ksr-static.imgix.net/xr7jn0op-kickstarter-logo-k-green.png?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&auto=compress%2Cformat&w=1000&fit=min&s=8378b0b8c1e01b354ba21d44d7af0879 kickstarter], [https://static.twitchcdn.net/assets/favicon-32-d6025c14e900565d6177.png twitch]. <s>new dot homestarrunner dot com's current favicon is [http://new.homestarrunner.com/favicon/favicon.ico kind of ugly], so we may just want to reuse our "hr" icon for that one.</s> {{User:Lira/sig}} 22:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::Now that the site's been redesigned for 2021, we also need an <code>oldhr</code> to point to the old website. Note that both oldhr and regular hr use HTTPS now. Also, I can't help but wonder if there's a less confusing name we could use for new.homestarrunner.com now that it's a) not new and b) very abandoned. {{User:Lira/sig}} 22:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::I still agree with all of these, but <code>oldhr</code> especially needs to be done as soon as possible. (Also, now that the redesign is up and all the URLs are pretty much set in stone, I see even less reason to use templates. As for the <code>newhr</code> name, I don't think that's too confusing, since "new" is in the URL and it was planned to be the new website.) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 04:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
+:::::IMDB links are now broken.  For some time now the us domain now leads to a help document, breaking all our links (and other site's links).  See [[Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_10#Real-World_References|this section]] for an example.  I've added imdb to the table above with a fix (it won't work for names probably but the original wasn't set up for that either). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::Done. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
+:::::Sweeet! Thank you very much! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
+:While looking at [[Help:Namespaces]] (didn't realize that was a thing) I noticed that the [[Videlectrix]] namespace ([[Videlectrix:index.html]]) should now point to the old HR domain (e.g. {{p|l=https://old.homestarrunner.com/videlectrix/index.html this location}}) as the current setup generates 404 errors. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
+::Fixed. I also fixed the [[Podstar:|Podstar]] link. I completely disabled "HRStore" because it was pointing to a sketchy domain reseller. (It used to point to homestarrunnerstore.com [is ''that'' noted anywhere?]; it now just points to [[Store]] as a placeholder.) I tried to point it to the Internet Archive, but I got an error. I'm open to suggestion. If there's no suitable place to point it, then we'll need to update any links that still use it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
+:::Thanks again Dot com! Now, linking to the internet archive can sometimes be tricky, but it's pretty flexible once you get things right.  I would suggest trying the following format:
+::::<code><nowiki>https://web.archive.org/web/20050626232117/http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/</nowiki></code>
+:::Using the [[Store Front Page News 2006]] page as reference, the [[HRStore:kickcheat1.html|Kick The Cheat]] link would the point to [https://web.archive.org/web/20050626232117/http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/kickcheat1.html].  It may not always work since there are likely pages that were never archived by the site but it should hopefully cover a decent amount of pages.  The explicit date will force the archive to find the version of the page closest to that date (I forget if it's before or after).
+:::Also, it seems like a lot, if not all of the link favicons are gone? Not only "HR:" links but it seems also "Youtube:" links seem to be missing their icon.  Was that deliberate or accidental? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::Ah, okay. I was trying to look up the archive for the <code>homestarrunnerstore.com</code> domain directly, and it didn't like that. I pointed it to a date at the beginning 2007 before the Kick The Cheat was sold out. It doesn't have images, but it seems to work for most of the text, and it's better than nothing.
+::::As for the favicons, I think that issue cropped up when we switched from <code>http</code> to <code>https</code> in our links. I attempted {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=prev&oldid=798775 a fix}}, but it's not showing up. I'm gonna give it a bit to see if it's just a matter of some cache refreshing before I try again. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
+:::::Sweet! Thanks for the fix to the store links. These links seem to be working well :).  As for the favicon fix, I tried looking with my very meager CSS skills (and with the help of the DOM inspector) all I could tell was that it seemed like the {{pl|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/skins/monobook/main.css monobook main.css}} page was involved (in the line <code><nowiki>#bodyContent a[href ^="https://"]</nowiki></code>) but that too was included but ignored.  In fact my testing showed that not even [https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle/issues regular https links] have the lock icon (http://hrwiki.org/w/skins/monobook/lock_icon.gif) displaying but non-https [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJB-Ji_YdMA youtube links] still work maybe because they don't have that possibly conflicting rule? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::::I figured it out. It's always {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=798884&oldid=798775 the little things}} that trip you up. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
+At some point [[Telltale:|Telltale.com]] moved their forums from the subdirectory www.telltale.com/forums to the sub''domain'' community.telltale.com {{--}} this breaks the interwiki-style link setup. Is there any way to adjust the link template to support this new link structure? --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 21:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
-::It's not like we do nothing when the defacement occurs.  The most recent comments almost make it sound like all we do is watch it happen.
+== Homestar Runner Updates 20X6 ==
-::However, we will not be move-protecting pages.  It's not the wiki way.  Besides, it's not like they couldn't just find a different way to deface.  It's not hard to deface a wiki.  But it's also not hard to fix the defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-:::All right. After looking at it with these comments in mind, I see the other side. It is really easy fixed. I just wish there was more we could do. The wiki's my second home. More than that, it's a friend of mine, really. And I just don't like when people mess with my friends. But I'm-a hereby dropping the subject and going to bed. Good night, fair wiki. Maybe one day you will see an internet utopia where your pages remain untroubled. I look forward to that day, as I'm sure we all do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-::::While I'm not much of a troll fighter myself (Those are too fast for the common gmone that I am), our wiki is the first site I chack when I wake up, and the last site I close when I go to sleep. This morning (My morning, your evening) I even tried to chat on the IRC channle while chacking for updates and got too distracted to do both. I had two options: The quit the chat channel or to stop chacking the wiki. I choose the latter. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:34, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
+The [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|main page redesign]] is planned to get rid of the "h*r.com" abbreviation in favor of a more general "updates" link, and I think the pages themselves should follow suit. Right now, [[H*R.com updates 2020]] is full of updates... and yet, not a single one is a H*R.com update, as the name implies. I think these pages are due for a rename. Even disregarding the inaccuracy of the title, I've always found these page titles to be kind of ugly. Look at that link. Doesn't it look unprofessional to you? There's the "H*R.com" abbreviation, and the capitalization is all over the place. So not only is it wrong, but it's mildly unpleasant to read, at least in my opinion. I realize that renaming all of these pages would be a daunting task, but I think it would be worth it for all the reasons I mentioned. (Also, the opening sentence for each page, as well as the link on the sidebar, would have to be changed as well.) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:41, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
-:::::Sleep is a good thing! Let me tell ya... My posts should be more coherent now ;).  First, E.L. you said that you chose to quit ''the latter''.  So you chose to stop chacking the wiki? I'm just making sure cuz I always have trouble myself using the correct one (''former vs. latter'') much like I can confuse left and right (''no, no, your ''other'' left!'').
-:::::I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier! Way up at the beginning of this discussion, I mentioned an SQL query and code change would do the trick (ha! how misguided I was -- even that would be a lot of work!), it would actually be an even simpler thing to protect all pages, past, present, and future, from moves this way: modify the code for the SpecialMovepage.php object to only allow the appropriate users to access its features! This should only be a few lines of well-placed code.
-:::::Why did I make mention of this?  While it may not be the Wiki way to take such drastic measures, I do ask that we step back and reflect on our philosophy for Wiki...ing. As far as understand, the Wiki way is not a set of rules written in stone, but rather a solid set of guidelines built on common sense and a dream.  Most of the rules in the big wiki I am sure arose out of guidelines and user experience in order to formulate the best course of action to take in the case where there are problems.  I wouldn't be surprised if many of them arouse out of the consensus of Wiki's many users and administrators.  Each set of rules is developed under a certain context: the big Wiki's amazingly large article count, as well as user base, has made their set of rules into what it is.
-:::::Our situation is a little different, as has been pointed out in previous posts in this thread, and the consensus here seems to move in a slightly different direction.  Even the big Wiki's own [[Wikipedia:Page-move protection|Page-move protection policy]] mentions the policy being appropriate ''in cases of frequent or on-going page-move vandalism'', which almost seems like our case (compared to the number of actual moves we do).  The article makes little mention of when not to move pages.  So personally, I don't think this is actually such a drastic measure given our circumstances, and the context in which our policies can be built upon. This proposed policy would not inconvenience others, but rather aleviate some of the work done by already-busy administrators.  Please understand, I am in no way trying to dictate what to do -- it has been you, not me, who has been entrusted to be the keepers and guardians of this wonderful wiki.  I am just hoping that what I say is reasonable, and that in the end would prove to be a good thing for this wiki. Good day all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-::::::The latter - I choose stying on the wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-::::::If we ''did'' lock the page moves, I think it would be simple matter of putting a <nowiki>{{tobemoved}}</nowiki> template on a page. Sysops could then check a To Be Moved page just like we check the To Be Deleted page. It would take some getting used to, but given the relative infrequency of real page moves, I don't think it would be that much more work compared to fighting vandals. So the technical side is easy; what I'm more concerned about is the philosophical side:
-::::::&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm ambivalent toward this issue. On the one hand, this is a real and annoying problem, but on the other hand, if we do anything about it, it won't actually affect my ability to move pages. So I pose this question to you non-sysops who are advocating limiting or eliminating page moves by regular users: '''Are you really comfortable giving up your rights just to satisfy this troll and the problem he's creating?''' Think carefully about that one, because it sets a serious precedent. Now, here's the kicker&mdash;the answer to the question may be ''yes''. Perhaps you ''are'' willing to give up functionality in return for security. It is a sad but true fact that houses all have locks, and some even have burglar alarms. There are a thousand other examples you could find like that in any society. Note, however, that I am not necessarily advocating locking page moves as the correct course of action; I'm merely saying that you should realize what you're asking for and the potential ramifications. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-:::::::Yes. Yes, I would. I operate by the creed 'better safe than sorry'. And it wouldn't really be that much different from my view. I like the To Be Moved idea as well. And I also point out of the Help:Contents problem we're also currently having. That required some sort of extremism too... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-I just had a thought, someone hit me with a clue-by-four if it's been suggested already on Wikipedia or somewhere, but the main problem is basically that reverting each page move individually is tedious, Yes? The Wiki Way is that mistakes should be easy to fix rather than hard to make - what we need is a way to make it easier to en masse revert page moves. Perhaps someone (either here or from the wikipedia community) could develop a (presumably sysop-only for obvious reasons) "revert all edits/moves by this user" button? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-:Ooh, ooh. I like that. I never would have thought of that myself. Would such a thing be possible to develop? My knowledge of current technology is somewhat limited... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
-As a non-sysop here, I'd have to say that I '''despise''' the idea of losing my ability to move pages because of a troll. Moving pages might not happen too often, but I have used it successfully in the past. (for example, Cheat Commandos Commercial --> Cheat Commandos (toon) ) Some of you admins might not care about page moving becoming sysop-only, but as a normal user I know I'd hate to lose that ability. Here's hoping that you guys can figure out a better way. (I like the whole sysop-only "revert all edits by that user" idea.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-:I think it will be hard to some users to give up on something ones they added it. Wouldn't you like to being able to delete pages? To block trolls? I know I do. I see a vandeled page and the thing I want to do the most is go right there and smack that dumb troll back to his cave. But I can't. And that's the way it is now. But if I did had that power, as a plain-old user, and someone took it from my hands I would be outraged to. Who are those sysops think they are? Taking my rights to delete and block? The same thing goes to moving pages. If you didn't had that right in the first place, would you realy miss it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-::Ok. To make that I wrote clearer, this is what I meant: The only reason you object to protecting the pages from moves, is because you could move them in the first place. If you never had that right, you would never miss it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-:::Yeah, but it doesn't really matter now, does it? If you never ever touched any type of electronics, you wouldn't miss computers, TVs or the internet. But now it's too late. You'd miss them. Ah, well. Basically, true as your statement may be, it doesn't change the fact that I'd hate to lose those powers. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
-::::Reply to Philip's idea, I would love it if they developed that. But I think it would be too dangerous, unless it had a built in 'hour time limit' or so. Otherwise some sysop accidentally reverts 5 years worth of edits, it could be chaos. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
-:::::When a sysop views a user's contributions, he or she has a "rollback" link next to each edit that is the most recent for the article.  These edits are also marked with '''(top)''' for all users, sysops or not.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
+:The 2020 pages is full of updates... of Strong Bad (and Matt Chapman) making cameo appearances in other people's livestreams, and re-releasing some archival material onto YouTube. The page wasn't updated to reflect that until very recently because there might have been confusion as to whether or not those things counted.
+:That aside, how much work would updating the name of the pages entail? First, begin by moving all the actual H*R update pages to their new destination with the new title. There's only about twenty of those, right? Then maybe worry about updating "what links here" links on other pages? Can the Wiki call on The Cheatbot to get that done if it was told where to redirect everything? -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 21:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
+::Regardless of the substantiality of the updates, they're still Homestar Runner content. I think they count, hence why I'm making this suggestion. As for "daunting", I was mainly referring to changing links and redirects for twenty pages (and the act of renaming them, to a lesser extent). The Cheatbot would definitely help, but even without it, it should be pretty manageable. I'm mainly asking because of the importance of these pages. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::I agree with this. "Homestar Runner updates" (or "Homestar Runner Updates", if we're committed to the Title Case thing) is a better name. The inaccuracy of the current title doesn't apply only to recent years; many older update pages also contain references to updates outside of homestarrunner dot com. {{User:Lira/sig}} 09:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
-::::::Hmmm, you're right. I never really thought of it that way. Although technically it's not a central button, it's a page with the buttons all right there though, which is almost as good. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
+== Redirect Baleetion ==
-:::::::I'm curious, does this button only work when the edit is the '''(top)''' edit? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
-::::::::Yes, the rollback button only works for the top edit. Only sysops have it, if you're looking for it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
-:::::::::Thanks! Oh, yeah I knew only sysops have it.  I may have delusions of gradeur time and again but um... oops did I just say that out loud?  I wanted to know the limits of its functionality. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:51, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
-: BTW, in case no one knows, Wikipedia's policy is:
+These two requests have already been made on their respective talk pages and through the {{t|delete}} template, but not officially, so I thought I'd make note of them here. The '''[[Pinecones]]''' redirect needs to be deleted so [[Pine Cones]] can be moved there (see talk page), and '''[[It's Like It Was Meant To Be]]''' needs to be deleted so [[It's like it was meant to be]] can be moved there. (And while you're at it, there are [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|around fifty other unnecessary redirects that can be deleted]], but that's not as important since they aren't obstructing page movement.) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
+:I deleted those two redirects and moved the pages. Note that the redirect for the second one actually had a lowercase "to": [[It's Like It Was Meant to Be]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
+::Thanks a lot! And sorry about the miscapitalization! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 01:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
-:<blockquote>Wikipedia now only allows users with 25 edits or above to make page moves, and the reason must be stated.</blockquote>
+== Embedded Twitter Timeline: can it work? ==
-:Found [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|here]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
+It's been [[HRWiki:Main page redesign/Votes#Recent social media posts|suggested]] that the [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|main page redesign]] should include an embedded timeline of [[@StrongBadActual]] Tweets like the one on the [[hr:|index page]] or [https://hrfwiki2.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page fanstuff wiki] (as opposed to the {{t|recentposts}} template, which is largely devoid of context and must be manually updated). On some wikis this is possible through a widget or a [[mw:Extension:TwitterTag|MediaWiki extension]]. Would it be possible to implement this feature? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:34, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
+:Pretty much everything regarding the new main page has [[HRWiki:Main page redesign/Votes|already been decided]] (the votes are all unanimous for now), so this is the last thing that still needs to be done. Unfortunately I can't fiddle with widgets or extensions, so if someone could let us know if it would be possible to embed a Twitter timeline on a wiki page, that would be greatly appreciated. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
-== When to list a WikiTroll ==
+== "General Disclaimer" legal link is broken ==
-Hey, what's up? I just have a quick question. If users only do two acts of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=190757&oldid=190756 vandalism] and then [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=203.59.113.139 stay quiet], do we still put em up in the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] page?  My guess is no, cuz it's a one-time thingy majig so I didn't.  But I wanna be sure. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
+[[HRWiki:General disclaimer]] refers to "the '''legal stuff''' page on the official Homestar Runner website"; however, that links to https://homestarrunner.com/legal.html which is currently a 404. The [[oldhr:legal.html|old site version]] does not render properly, either. The best solution is probably https://old.homestarrunner.com/legal.txt instead; in any event this should probably be addressed as the disclaimer boilerplate appears constantly throughout the wiki. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
-:I'm not sure of the answer to this, so I moved your question here. If the answer isn't always ''yes'', then I guess it would depend on the severity of the vandalism and whether you think it will continue. I don't know how much of a complete record that page is supposed to be, if at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
-::The WikiTroll page is not supposed to be a complete record, I don't think. The block log does a much better job. That's why you don't have to add someone to WikiTroll if you think they should be blocked. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

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