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I just tried the fanstuff wiki, but it won't work! [[User:DonZabu|DonZabu]]
I just tried the fanstuff wiki, but it won't work! [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]]
:"The Wiki is now being upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5.0. Editing is disabled as backups are being created. Expect downtime for an indeterminate amount of time. Thank you for your patience."  From the main page of the fanstuff wiki right now.  {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 00:17, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:"The Wiki is now being upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5.0. Editing is disabled as backups are being created. Expect downtime for an indeterminate amount of time. Thank you for your patience."  From the main page of the fanstuff wiki right now.  {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 00:17, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

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MediaWiki 1.5

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to MediaWiki 1.5?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:

The English Wikipedia has already upgraded. -- Super Sam 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- Cyrius 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- Super Sam 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer. -- Tom 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- Cyrius 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And just to drive the point home, MediaWiki 1.5b2 has been released, which fixes some exciting security holes, including at least one SQL injection bug. -- Cyrius 04:34, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
MediaWiki 1.5b3 is out. I set a wiki up with it, but I still notice a few bugs. But it looks great. EDSMILDE
Whatever happens, making it doesn't clear the history of the Fanstuff Wiki again. -- 02:38, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Articles Needing Merging

I think we should have both a template, and a category for articles that need to be merged. For instance, Cardboard Marzipan should be merged with Minor Alternate Versions (yes, I know this has happened already.) I think the template would go something like this:

Category:Articles Needing Merging

Anybody have any opinions on this? --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 17:31, 7 July 2005 (BST)

Note that we have HRWiki:Projects#Things to Merge and HRWiki:Cleanup#Merge and Redirect already. -- Tom 00:20, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know that. I guess I should go look around the wiki a bit more. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 16:58, 6 July 2005 (BST)

The System Is Down, Yo seems to be down intermittently. And before sbemail133 comes out. It did the same thing last night. Blasted bandwidth issues... --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 17:51, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

What? When did that happen? I never got that problem. --Darklinkskywalker 20:45, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

On Monday when he wrote it? -- Cyrius 03:51, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It's been over a week since TBC have updated the site as of July 11th to today. --—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 17:48, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Tell TBC about the wiki?

I got an idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere else to post it. So anyway, on the end credits on a certain episode of BonusStage, the creator mentions the The Bonus Stage Wiki and says that the wiki is creepy. Because he knows about a wiki for his cartoon, do TBC know about theirs? If not, maybe we should tell them about what I just wrote, and maybe they'll list us in the credits of one of the toons. I'm not really saying that it's a good idea, but just curious to see what anyone else thinks. --—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 02:41, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I think if they notice us on their own, fine, but we should otherwise leave them alone and let them do what they do best. — It's dot com 02:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
The Chaps are already aware of the wiki. Tom and I have each had brief contact with the Chaps and Craig Zobel through email. Tom also had the opportunity to meet the Chaps at a presentation they gave at NYU, and they discussed the wiki. I don't think it would be appropriate to expect any recognition from them. We're the fans and they are the artists. We're here to give them recognition, not the other way 'round. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 18:13, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Interesting about the creep wiki comment. I'd say TBC might say the same about this wiki. I hadn't heard of BonusStage, looks pretty cool!

What about the fanstuff? Do they know about that? -- Strong Lad

Yeah, they know about fanstuff. — It's dot com 15:48, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Excellent - Strong Lad

Hey! My login doesn't work!

I've been trying to log in but my password says it's wrong! How?! Whaaaaaaaaa!?!?!?!?!?!?!
-, Amy Whifflepoof, not in because of this crappy crap problem.

Maybe you just mistyped it, or confused it with another password. Just try again. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 17:59, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Also note that there is an "Email new password" button on the Special:Userlogin page that might help you out. -- Tom 18:10, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I had a similar problem, Tom and Jay are probebly rite. 18:42, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)


TBC havn't made any new updates on the site lately other than Quote of the Week, Fan Stuff and Sketch Book. I'm getting impatient!!

They just skipped a week, that's all. Just wait til tomorrow: Monday, the day they usually update.

Typo on the Main Page

Hey, just wanted to let the powers that be know that there is a typo on the main page, in the "featured article" section regarding Strong Sad's Lament. It reads "It originated with in the email website", whereas it should read either "It originated in the email website", "It originated with the email website", or "It originated within the email website". Whoever has access to modify this page please correct this. Thanks!

Shawn81 13:33, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Thunderbird 01:55, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so what's the deal??!!

I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't know WHAT PAGE TO PUT THIS ON!!??!! But, anyway, to answer the question ONCE AND FOR ALL! Who's all of the CHARACTER'S PARENTS??!!! They have millions of references, and stuff, but WHO THE HECK ARE THEY??!!! ARE THEY REAL??!! I just want to know the FRIGGIN' DEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLL!!!! Please? - Brittany - "I'm 12 years old. Am I the youngest here?"

No one has ever seen or heard of any of main character's parents, so we don't know who they are. - Joshua
We've heard "of" Strong Mom in a few cartoons. But nothing concrete. Other than her existence. Maybe. -- Cyrius 08:21, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
It's a cartoon. Cartoons can have flexible realities. The fact that the Strongs live with their mother, yet she's never seen, is okay because it's a cartoon... You know what would be interesting? If Senor Cardgage were the Strong's father.
We've seen two different versions of Pom Pom's parents - differently-colored Poms in Isle of Pom and a file cabinet in Strong Bad's hypothetical scenario in Family Resemblence. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 17:37, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Brittany, even if your quote had not said so, I'm sure everyone who reads these boards could tell you were twelve years old. Please do not shout, and try to limit yourself to one exclamation point at a time. Trelawney 06:46, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Trelawney, this question has already been taken care of. If all you have to add are rude comments, please keep them to yourself. Thanks. -- Tom 12:00, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. I was just trying to help. I wasn't saying it in a rude way. Trelawney 05:42, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It's okay. Just keep in mind that when you leave a comment, people can't see you or know for sure your mood. Irony isn't always obvious, and blunt, raw text can easily appear rude. -- Tom 21:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Point taken, I beat my breast. Figuratively. Trelawney 06:38, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Another Archive

I think some more sections on this page should be archived again. Maybe the first 20 or so. This page is already twice as large as the archive, and it always shows the large page warning since it's 76 KB. EDSMILDE

Perhaps we should archive this page similar to the way the fanstuff page is archived. -- Super Sam 12:34, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Alrighty, it's been a week, so I went and created archives in groups of 20. They're easily accessible at the top of the page. -- Super Sam 07:56, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)


i ♥ homestarrunner and crap...but...STRONG BAD DOESN'T ANSWER MY EMAILS!!!

Join the club. Better yet, join the wiki and sign your posts. — It's dot com 02:22, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Dont blame him. The site is so popular that he gets thousands every day. Imagine, because after every email the paper comes down with the link to email him. Give him a break.

Posted by Martin F.

marshmallow discrepency

the main page has this blurb from the featured article about Marshmallow's last stand, but the text in the blurb does not match the text in the article. what gives?

The blurb on the main page is just a summary, not the beginning of the article. — It's dot com 12:52, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Exactly. On larger articles, the first paragraph usually suffices. But in some specialty articles, the opening paragraph is neither long enough nor fully explanitory, which then calls for some tweaking specifically for the Main Page summary. Thunderbird 02:17, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

So much freedom?

I love how anyone can edit things whenever we want to on HRWIKI, but dont you think thats a lot of risks? someone stupid and careless can easily take the pages and erase them or say something wrong. Is there a way to stop that?

Posted by Martin F. (I've been putting this signature until I get my username updated lol)

Stopping vandalism and other inappropriate edits is easy. First of all, there's strength in numbers. The vast majority of users are not stupid or careless, and are willing to patrol the wiki to protect it from those who are. The main tool for this is the recent changes page, which allows users to monitor the current edits. Reverting a page that has been vandalized is a simple and straightforward procedure. All in all, the risk isn't that great, and the freedom of the wiki more than makes up for the necessity of having to keep an eye on things. — It's dot com 01:47, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Eggs a running gag?

I seem to have found some evidence of eggs being a running gag. First their is Strong Bad's EGGS, then there is Homestar's mentioning of dot-egg from pom pom, then there is the eggs for sale for $EGG from garage sale. Anyone with me? --Strong Rad 03:18, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I noticed it too. But this is more of an inside joke than a running gag. It's not that funny, but i guess it is to the Chappos. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 09:24, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'll continue the search using the query "eggs -easter". I'll report any new items I see on my user page this page. --Strong Rad 02:34, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

PS: Whoever added the Eggs page to the Inside Jokes category, thanks.

That would be Elcool (talk)(contribs) (according to the page history) Thunderbird 21:27, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
No, Thank you. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:12, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

New Updates

I think the Strong Sad's Lament update (August 15, 2005) should be edited to contain this:

-- Super Sam 08:13, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Well I don't have that much of a preferance one way or another, but if you do, go back over the dates of the known avatars, and add them to the correct days as well in the Updates Archives. (Just the ones with a specific date on them) Thunderbird 21:11, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Link on user page to user website

For the lack of a better place to post this, I posted it here, well can I post my website on my user page. --Sultn 00:24, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

You can't copy your website onto it, but you can link to it there. - Joshua

Cool. That's what I meant anyway, thanks!--Sultn 00:27, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)


As i typed in today, i got a strange error message :

There is no website configured at this address.

You are seeing this page because there is nothing configured for the site you have requested. If you think you are seeing this page in error, please contact the site administrator or datacenter responsible for this site.

About cPanel:

cPanel is a leading provider of software for the webhosting industry. If you would like to learn more about cPanel please visit our website at Please be advised that cPanel is not a webhosting company itself, and as such is not responsible for content found elsewhere on this site.

I know i typed in the address right, i even typed it in again.. i typed in the entire thing.. and i got the exact message. then i googled hrwiki and the first one came up as the right site you know, and i click on that and everything is fine. i'm so confused.. has anyone ever seen this before? is this some sort of spyware on my computer or something? did i actually type in the right address? am i putting this in the right section anyway??? --Collin 03:38, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What time of day did you get the error? And for how long? I just upgraded to version 1.4.8 about five minutes ago. We were only not up and running for about 2 seconds, and the errors you would have received were PHP errors, not cPanel errors. Are you sure about the domain? What browser are you using? -- Tom 03:45, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
well it was 9:35 PM (mountain time, i dont know what time it is on the wiki) and it was only for a few seconds.. I looked at my history and under is the cpanel error, and under i get the real site. i dont know how you can get to an entirely different site from just not typing in www. i tried it just now without the www and here i am, no problems. I'm using IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633 so basically ie 6.0 ^_^ --Collin 05:07, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)


Whatever happened to the sidebar??!?!? --Color Printer 11:58, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

If you're refering to the external links, thanks for pointing that out. It seems to somehow be missing. I'll ask JoeyDay, I'm sure he'll be able to fix it. Thunderbird 12:26, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks. It had to do with the upgrade I mentioned earlier. -- Tom 20:14, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Ahh, okay. Thanks you. --Color Printer 20:25, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
What new features come with this new version? The good...X On Fire (SSX)...And the good again.


Ummm... for some reason I can't save that image on the sidebar (HRWiki logo). Is it protected or something? I had to make a .tif file of it.

No, it's just embedding into the page differently (something like that). If you have Firefox, you can go to Tools > Page Info > Media and in the list somewhere will be the logo. «Rob» 06:15, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Linking to fanstuff and forum

I have a little suggestion. Maybe someone should link the forum and the fanstuff wiki to the main page, because I didn't notice the forum until I took a good look at the welcome message, and I didn't notice the fanstuff wiki until I was browsing around people's user pages. --arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif 03:15, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

They're both linked on the sidebar (under "external links"). I don't know how they could be any more visible than that. —BazookaJoe 03:17, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

i dont know i dont think so


I was just reading an interview where it says: (quote on quote)

"Of course, there are times when we think, why can't Strong Sad just say: '****! I hate this bull****!' There are countless outtakes of that kind of stuff. We were thinking of making The Swear Episode, where they just cut loose after all this time."

TBC had said this in an interview, and I am not only shocked, but relieved that they did not submitt a toon like that.

Scary... but I was aware of this. What interview is this exactly? - Joshua

I think this is the website[1]. Homestramy20|Talk 02:19, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Oh, come on people. They ARE adults you know. Besides, I always believed that they were kidding around about that, which they're allowed to, as they are GROWN MEN. Geez, grow up and take a joke, people. It's not like they're REALLY going to make a "Swear Episode" ;) --Bottles98 16:06, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

All I have to say it.. calm down! We know there grown men, we weren't saying that it was the end of the world. People are allowed to have comments you know. -Homestramy20|Talk 17:58, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

TBC wouldn't really make a swear episode anyway. They've said themselves that their humor just isn't that profane (in so many words). And if they happened to make one, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I have to admit though, it is refreshing to see online toons that are able to be funny without profanity. -Jazz Daddy


I would say this on the Fanstuff Wiki, but it's locked. How come I can edit on this wiki, but not on Fanstuff? --Mini-Trogdor 16:56, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Wiki Maker

I need someone who knows how to install wikis because I am STUMPED!– Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 06:20, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

We're talking MediaWiki, right? Just upload all the files to your webserver and go to the front page. You'll be told to go set it up first, with a link to the installation page. There, just fill out the information. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 14:26, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But i don't have my own website like – Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 21:04, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
You might want to start with the documentation for installation then. -- Tom 21:06, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
What is the MySQL server name? – Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 21:28, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Your hosting provider should let you know. If you're installing it on your own machine, it's most likely localhost (or --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 22:08, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Livemark feed failed to load?

Why is it, that every time I try and add the Recent changes RSS feed to my live bookmarks in Firefox, that I get the error "livemark feed failed to load"? I tried in Google Desktop Search Beta 2, and got an "unsupported web clip version" error. If I try and open the RSS feed with Firefox (not adding to livemarks) I get this text (without viewing the source):

XML Parsing Error: xml processing instruction not at start of external entity
Line Number 2, Column 1:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>

Anybody have any ideas how to fix this problem? --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 20:22, 14 September 2005 (BST)

The issue appears to be the blank line at the top of the document. This is not allowed according to the standard.
The problem should be fixable by editing index.php - exactly where is a little hard to say without the file, but it should be fairly easy to find. I can't say if this is a bug in MediaWiki, but the current Wikipedia feed *does* validate, so if it is, it should be fixed in a later version (1.6 at the latest).
Alternatively, you could just wait for IE7, if it does not care about this (like IE6), it'll be able to use the feed. :p --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 20:44, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
From taking a look at the English Wikipedia's feed, it looks like this has been fixed in Version 1.5. Though if I knew where to edit, I wouldn't mind trying to fix it. -- Tom 21:02, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Considering this page suffers from the same "issue", I'm guessing the very first line of index.php is blank. If this is the case, deleting it should fix the problem - if it's not, look at includes/Feed.php next for the same symptom.
If both of those fail, there's probably one further down in one of the scripts, outside of the <?PHP ?> tags, but it might take a while to find it. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:15, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Oh yes - it's probably worth noting that Wikipedia have switched to MediaWiki 1.6 alpha, so in theory, the bug might not have been fixed before then - though I consider that rather doubtful. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 22:22, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hmm. 1.6alpha must be very recent then, since [SourceForge] and still show 1.5rc4 as the latest unstable.
And I didn't have any luck with our mysterious newline. From what I can tell, the code that outputs the offending area seems to be around line 180. -- Tom 22:32, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Alpha versions will usually not be released publicly, mainly since there's a rather high risk of problems - although there's always CVS is one wants to experiment. I imagine they're very close to releasing the the final version of 1.5, since they usually run the latest possible version on Wikipedia - if 1.5 was not ready, they would not switch to a new alpha.
At any rate, the problem seems to be in a different file than Feed.php, since the blank line is also visible on this page.
I tried booting Apache and opening up my own MediaWiki installation (1.4.5), but the error is not visible on my side. Therefore, it's either been introduced somewhere between 1.4.5 and 1.4.9, or is something that ended up here somehow.
You should be able to catch the culprit if you run diff on the distribution and compare it with the 1.4.9 release - if you don't have access to a system with diff, I can do it (I will do it nine times), pending a copy of the current installation. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 23:03, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it struck me as odd that they are already using 1.6alpha when 1.5 isn't even stable yet. And you're right, that probably means 1.5 is close to being released.
As for the diff of the 1.4.5 index.php and our current index.php, here you are:
< 			case 'render':
< 				die("rendering is not supported in this version of MediaWiki.");
Any ideas? (I also ran a diff of a fresh 1.4.5 install compared to a fresh 1.4.9 install, which I just sent you.) -- Tom 03:04, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Fixed. -- Tom 20:56, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

External Links

I think the fanstuff forum should be added to the external links bar. -- Super Sam 09:09, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. That there is an unofficial Fanstuff forum. -- Tom 13:04, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Unofficial? Exactly how would you define "official" then? -- Super Sam 08:09, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Likely by being one set up by JoeyDay and/or Tom. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 13:47, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Another good definition of official would be if it's hosted on our server under our domain. Something like would be official, whereas isn't. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:43, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Fanstuff Timezone

Hey, I was wondering if it is appropriate for the fanstuff wiki's timezone to be UTC, not MDT. UTC is used on the knowledge-base, so wouldn't it make sense for the default timezone of the fanstuff wiki to be UTC? This would change the time displayed in the history for logged out users, and also would change the timezone used in signatures for all users. 04:23, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)


Are the two wikis still hosted on Goleman Networks? Because in the source code of any wiki page there used to be a message saying something like "Served by Goleman Networks in 0.22 secs" but now says "Served by in 0.22 secs". If its hosted by Fellowsites, the message in the footer on the knowledge-base and fanstuff wiki be changed. Or am I missing something (I don't know a lot of stuff about servers and hosting and stuff)? 04:36, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

We recently moved from Goleman to a new server, yes. Beyond that, I'm not sure of much else. Thunderbird 05:24, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
The new server is still owned by Goleman Networks, but has been branded with the name FellowSites because we'll be reselling hosting on the new server under that name. Sorry for any confusion. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:15, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Ah, okay.

Erm...what's up with the Forum?

Hey guys, whenever I try to access the forum, it says:

The operation timed out when attempting to contact

Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. --User:acekirby13/sig 20:46, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It's down. It will be up again. I wish people wouldn't post here every time the forum goes down, and vice versa. — InterruptorJones 20:51, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. Thanks for clearing that up. --User:acekirby13/sig 20:52, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Regular Easter Egg feature

I'd like to suggest a new section on the main page that details easter eggs within random tunes/emails. I actually think this could replace the "featured" part of the page and would be appealing to fans, who might not have spotted them all.

It could just be me, but I'm not really clear on what it is you're suggesting. Thunderbird 19:44, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Random Toon

Random Toon should really be on the Main Page, along with Quote of the Week, Weekly Fanstuff, and Sketchbook. Which means we would have to rename their section, 'Weeklies'. Anybody got an idea or opinion on how we should change this? Thunderbird 19:09, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Why should we change this? The other three articles are updated every week. Except for housekeeping, Random Toon isn't updated at all. — It's dot com 19:15, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
True, but Legal is on the main page. And that's updated FAR less than Random Toon. It seems as though if it's linked to from their Main Page, we do the same on ours. Which leaves just the Random Toon. Besides, It's not like people use the links there to access the newest Quote of the Week or Sketchbook. They follow the link at the 'What's New' section like everybody else. And additionally, where else is Random Toon linked to? If somebody looks on the website, finds the Random Toon button on there, and then come here to find out about it, where would they look for the page? Does any of this make sense? Thunderbird 19:30, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Random Toon is linked on Main Pages in the section at the top about the four buttons. Legal, on the other hand, is not linked to from any article page. In addition, all the links on our front page link to articles about the content of the various buttons, whereas Random Toon seems to me to be an article about the button itself. — It's dot com 19:45, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well the button itself IS the content of what Random Toon is. It has no page of it's own. But it does have the button. Come to think of it, it's in the exact same boat as the other weeklies, they don't have pages either. Just pop up boxes. And Legal is far more useless of a page than 'Random Toon'. Why exclude just ONE link from their main page from being on ours? I really think it makes sense to link the Random Toon button on the main page. Thunderbird 19:59, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I realize that this isn't my arguement, but the Random toon is on the navbar, and is also on the weeklies bar. It should be linked on the main page. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 20:01, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
What do you mean this isn't your argument? You're welcome to add to any and every discussion on a public talk page, and most of the time even on other users' talk pages when you're not directly involved. To speak to your point, however, I think TBC only stuck the random button in their weeklies section because they didn't have a better place to put it. I think the fact that it's not actually a weekly feature means it shouldn't go in our weeklies section. — It's dot com 20:10, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I think Random has a place on the main page, but at the top in the main menu instead of in the weeklies section. It seems to fit there better. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 20:15, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yes, It probably be under miscellaneous. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 20:18, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well that's why I'm suggesting the name change from 'weeklies'. If it was already named 'The Little Circle Buttons On The Top Of The Main Page', there'd be no question to add it there. I really don't think miscellaneous is the right section for it. It's part of the four button set. Thunderbird 20:21, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But it's also part of the navbar, and the sbemail menu. Look at the main page now, up at the top right. What do you think? — It's dot com 20:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
(Edit conflict with above) I was actually talking about the Main Menu, above the blue and red boxes. I can see why you want it with the weeklies, but I think it just fits in the grand scheme of things better at the top. I think we may need some fresh ideas in this thread as well. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 20:26, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I tried it under 'Popups'. I think it's got a nice ring to it. And it is what they have in common. So which one should we go with? I really feel strongly about Popups. Thunderbird 20:28, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Despite the negative connotation I have with the word 'popup', it really does fit. I kinda like it. And Random Toon does need to be mentioned. It's an integral part of their main page(s); why not ours? --DorianGray
Er, I guess you guys completely skipped over my post four above this one. — It's dot com
Oh. It's already there. Colour me unobservant. In that case, I retract my previous statement, and humbly retreat to my merely lurking around this article instead of talking. --DorianGray
I really don't like "popups." The three weekly links were unified in the fact that they are actually updated weekly. Trying to stretch a description onto all four buttons just doesn't seem to fit to me. — It's dot com 20:45, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well you already know my opinion on it, but I still think that it looks better under Popups, dot com. They're still unified in the fact that they're four buttons, isolated in look, at the top. If you go by updated weekly, you could almost have added Strong Sad's Lament for a while there. Thunderbird 20:48, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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I think the Main Page should just stay as is. Homestramy20|Talk 21:14, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Without Random Toon? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 21:15, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I think With the tiny addition of 'Popups' and Random Toon. That's the part of THEIR main page TBC changed... Thunderbird 21:17, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
The fact is that it can't stay the way it is, because it's already been changed twice. First by me, then by Thunderbird. The question is, which link do we like better? The "Random Button" up at the top that matches the navbar (which was also updated), or the "popups" version that matches the buttons. We shouldn't have it on there twice, should we? It doesn't seem like it should. To tell the truth, the "popups" version is growing on me, although I'm still not crazy about the name... ;) — It's dot com 21:32, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yes! I knew it! Sorry for the late reply, I had to go out for a while. If you're asking my opinion though, it remains the same. Along with the other Popups, under whichever name. Thunderbird 22:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
To clarify, there are two links to Random Toon on the main page now (one is along the top and called "Random Buttons", the other is with the three weekly items under popups in the pink box). There should probably only be one. We know what the people who have already commented think. Now we need to know what others think, so please post your opinions below. — It's dot com 04:39, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I never spoke up on this issue. My vote would've been for exactly what you did, Thunderbird, namely removing the random toon from the main navigation and leaving it in the Popups section. I also like the change from "Weeklies" to "Popups". I really appreciate that you wanted Tom or me to weigh in on this, but I'm glad you went through with the change without waiting on us. Your opinion is just as important as ours, and we'll always back you up on any mission critical decision you make like this one. Good work. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:22, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yeah. I saw all this happen and was pleased with the result as well, so I just left it as that. -- Tom 17:03, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I guess the solution we're going with is the best of our available choices, but in the back of my mind it's hard to shake the feeling that we're giving equal salience to things that only share a marginal trait. Oh well. — It's dot com 17:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Strong Sad's Lament

Why isn't Strong Sad's Lament linked on the main page? It's been updated at least as much as Marzipan's Answering Machine. — It's dot com 20:52, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Uhoh.. Hmmm... I think this conversation has become decidedly more complex. Well I think it's safe to say Strong Sad's Lament is on hiatus again, possibly. I just don't know what to do about SSL though. I think it's safe to leave it off for now, it's not linked on their main page. And whenever it is updated, you can just follow the link on the 'What's New' section. Thunderbird 20:55, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I think that SSL may be updated even [more] then Marzipans answering machine. Just thought to point that out. Homestramy20|Talk 20:56, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But I think it falls under Stinkoman 20X6. They're both updated periodically, but not Main Page material. Thunderbird 20:58, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I disagree. Stinkoman will come to an end with the next level. Strong Sad's blog could be updated indefinitely. And, I should note, Marzipan's answering machine is updated only about twice a year. I think visitors would find a link to SSL useful. — It's dot com 21:03, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But it's an Easter egg. A pretty freaking big one, if you ask me, but an Easter egg nonetheless, and should not be on the main page. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 21:07, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Oh man. I think this discussion is in severe need of either Tom's or Joey's Beauracratic input. Personally, I think the main page is okay without SSL. But come to think of it, maybe it should be on there... I'm not too opinionated about that though. I just want Random Toon under 'Popups'. Thunderbird 21:09, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
E.L., I think you are exactly right. I withdraw my suggestion to add SSL. I told you your input was important. :) — It's dot com 21:28, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hey, thanks! Elcool (talk)(contribs) 21:29, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Background Images

Would like to know the HTML for the snazzy HR and SB pictures in the background of the main page windows. Cannot find it in the source and I want to use something similiar for another wiki.-- 21:43, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

That is done with some CSS. You can read up on CSS background properties at the w3school. -- Tom 21:48, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)


Seeing as alot of people see this page I would like to make a request.

Can someone please decompile Homestar Talker with actionscript. Thanks. – Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 09:37, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I will. TotalSpaceshipGirl3

Download the .fla Here TotalSpaceshipGirl3
Thanks alot. Know I can work on my knew game; "Big Boy Talker". – Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 20:32, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)


I know I posted this here, but almost no one's replying, and it does concern the main page, so I'll repost it here:

Should we post a link to the Lists Category on the main page? Because as of right now, it doesn't really have any place connecting to it, and this is the only place that officially connects to pages such as "Fonts," "Sound Effects," "Fourth Wall Breakages" and so on... - Joshua
No, I don't think that's necessary. We generally don't link to Category pages, they are just helpful ways to keep articles organized. -- Tom 23:13, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, but it kind of bugs me that a bunch of good pages such as the above have no official page that links to them, just a few appropiate instances here and there and a single, unlinked-to category that is as obscure as the rest. - Joshua 00:22, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Every article on the Wiki is linked to from another article. Categories are not articles and generally should not be linked to from articles. -- Tom 03:27, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Although you are right that categories are not articles. It would be nice for people to be able to browse categories with ease. I would think that a link from the navigation bar would be even better! As for links to the aforementioned collection of article, perhaps a page or two devoted to "Resources used by TBC" and "Literary Concepts" or whatever you wanna name them, might be appropriate. Now I go shopping.--Stux 03:36, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
At one point we toyed with using something like the following:

Homestar Content
Toons | Features | Games | Characters | Downloads | Special Pages | Regular Updates | HSR Navigation

The World Of Homestar Runner
Items | Places | Bands | Songs | Movies | TV Shows | Companies | Organizations | Contests | Inside Jokes | Running Gags | Lists

Real World

Homestar Runner Wiki
Wiki Maintenance

We decided against using this a while ago. And obviously this wouldn't go well with what we are using now, but I'm open to opinions. -- Tom 06:35, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I'll indent less to make this stand out a bit. Anyway, I see what you mean! I looked at the proposed and current formats and I definitely like the current one better. It allows people to gain more background information of what their looking from a structured page, rather than looking at a cut and dry page. It definitely rocks. However, there may be people who like to use categories or know vaguely what their looking for without knowing what it's called. My suggestion is this: we can have a cut and dry "Category Browsing Page" with all of these boring links (and any technical information that may have some highly structured ordering to it), and then we can either discretely link it on the main page somewhere (we don't want it to gain prominence and then have people mistakenly use it as the primary means of browsing), or place it as a feature of the navigation toolbox bars. --Stux 07:25, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Um, this is a little off topic, but why is the first Archive Page named 1-20, while it has 25 items listed on it? (Did ppl add to that?) This talk page needs yet another archiving I beleive. --Stux 07:44, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Tom, you said "Categories are not articles and generally should not be linked to from articles." This is not true. Go to the main page. Click "Inside Jokes." Then look at our list of said inside jokes that is linked to at the bottom of the page. Or go to "Characters," scroll down and choose Character Evolution. That fact is is that in appropiate places we use categories instead of index pages. If nothing else, we should make another page such as "Misc. Pages" or something and link to them there. - Joshua 02:11, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)


I registered on the hrwiki forums but it wont let me go into forums, someone please help! I am user khanearl so you know

Have you validated your account? --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 18:15, 2 October 2005 (BST)

not to sound stupid, but how do you validate it?

There should be a link in the email. If your email client doesn't display it as a link, then copy and paste the link into the address bar. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 19:47, 2 October 2005 (BST)

no no no wait when I said it wont let me go in I meant reply on the forum

Are you sure you've signed in? You're showing up as an anonymous IP adress here. --notstrongorbad 19:05, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

He means he's registered for the forum. Back on topic, have you logged in? --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 20:07, 2 October 2005 (BST)

yes I have, but it says I am not registered, but when I on the front page of hrwiki forums it states that I am a member

(That's what I meant.) On that frong page, in the two rows of light blue links under "Homstar Runner Wiki Forum," is the bottom right-hand on "Log in"? If so, click it and your worries are over. If not--then it really is weird. --notstrongorbad 19:48, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

you know what I give up this is to hard I quit its just to stupid, I mean when I try loging in it wont allow me in, so wtf?, thanks anyway

...Did you get an e-mail validating your account creation on the boards? If it's really screwed up, just create another account. - Camalex(talk) 20:55, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

as I said I give up, this is just to stupid and hard to fugure out allthis computer giberish I give up.

It's not something hard. It's called "checking your email"

well I am retarded so there you go

What happened?

I just tried the fanstuff wiki, but it won't work! Seek Bar

"The Wiki is now being upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5.0. Editing is disabled as backups are being created. Expect downtime for an indeterminate amount of time. Thank you for your patience." From the main page of the fanstuff wiki right now. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 00:17, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
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