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[edit] link to the fanstuff forum?

Hey the fanstuff wiki is down ... so now there's really no way for people to find the fanstuff forum which is here. Could somebody put a link up somewhere please? --NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc  20:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Uh, you're a bit...behind the times. The fanstuff wiki has been down for two months now. And it looks like you just put a link up... SuperfieldCreditUnion
Anyway, it's not that hard to type. JCM 22:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] H*R Featured in Latest TMBG Podcast

They Might Be Giants' Podcast 37A includes 200 SBemails and something called "Crystal Fortress". Would somebody like to add the appropriate details to this wiki? — (Talk | contribs) 06:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Toon

The ween 08 toon is out!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the SB costume was sold out. Dr. Savage 02:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween theme

October is over. Mtp1997

The Halloween toon only came out a about a day and a half ago, and we still (hopefully) have a costume commentary toon on the way. Last year we didn't go back to normal styles until several days into November. — It's dot com 19:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I understand. Happy Halloween, and good luck on the fanstuff! Mtp1997

[edit] Editing talk posts

I just wanted to know, is it legal on the wiki to proofread talk pages? Chipwich 01:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It's typically discouraged to edit other people's comments. Any specific reason? --DorianGray 05:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
To make it easier for other people to reads thems. Chipwich 01:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It's probably best if proofreading is done by people who can use grammar...— Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 02:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you point out something that you'd edit if you could. With very few exceptions, it's not allowed. — It's dot com 02:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Store Stuff

Uh, the store changed the SB patch to bumper stickers. Strongkinghomsarsmith 17:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The System is Down!?!

The H*R site is down! What gives? DrPepper42 14:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It's just you.It's dot com 02:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Sketchbook is currently mislabeled (last week Bubs sketch w/ this week sheep title) and the quote is from last week again, and doesn't work (prob b/c file removed) 04:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like caching issues. Try clearing your cache and trying again. phlip TC 07:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dangeresque Puppet Stuff

Excuse me but, Dangeresque Puppet Stuff just came out, so yeah...might wanna chek dat out.

Good find! But the stairs to the toon have been burned down by termites. So it looks like I'm gonna have to jump! Homestar-Winner (talk) 00:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

We're also gonna have to create a(n external) link for it on the Main Page!! Not Dennis 13:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

 Thanks Senor Mort-gage!

[edit] November 13th podcast

Someone want to update the mainpage to reflect the release of the podcast? I already updated the podcast page itself, but I don't have permission to modify the front page, apparently. --Flytape8490 20:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Just updated the more updates page. The front-page still needs it though. --Flytape8490 20:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
You edit the news box by selecting "view source", then scroll down, then click "Template:whatsnew". Edit the template the way you would any page. Don't forget to add the article of the email to the Podstar Runner category, and add a download link and the Podcast summary to the article as well. BBG 20:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Just added the download link and category to the magic trick page. Where do I stick the summary in the article?--Flytape8490 21:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
There's also a pixelghost sale. Do we track sales? I don't remember.--Flytape8490 21:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Stick the summary in the Trivia section. Sales are worth noting in the whatsnew box. BBG 22:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sbemail DVD 6

Don't forget 'bout the new Sbemail dvd. I mean, it's up there...on the site. Or do you all just know about that already? Or am I just wasting yur thyme? --NOT DENNIS 20:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

And there's a new Thnikkaman T-shirt! =] OptimisticFool 20:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


On the updates page, it says (correctly) that Twenty THANXty Six is a holiday toon. On the actual Main Page, however, it says that its a short. Edit, anyone? Strongkinghomsarsmith 01:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Both are correct. The toon is both a holiday toon, as it has to do with Thanksgiving, and it is also a short, as it is only 2 minutes and 14 seconds long. Though the toon is listed under the Holiday Toons category, saying the toon is either one makes sense, right? Homestar-Winner (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
However, H*W, what about the site itself? Tis not listed under shorts. Though it is older than crap, KOT DVD is shorter than it, and yet it is still categorized as a big toon. Strongkinghomsarsmith 02:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
The only reason this thing is under "short" is because the main page message button says that it's a "new short!" So, really, only one little speck in the H*R universe is classifying it as a short. I say we put it under as a Holiday Toon. -- 02:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I changed it so it said on the Main Page that it was both a holiday toon and a short. Is that better? Homestar-Winner (talk) 02:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant! :P -- 03:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No More Emails

So I was listening to the commentary on sbemail 200 and TBC (specifically Matt) said that no more sbemails will be made. He said it in sort of a joking manner but I don't know, they haven't made one in over 2 months. I guess we'll see. inunaota4a

I guess we will. This marks the tenth email that people have seriously considered might be the last (after vacation, 50 emails, comic, flashback, virus, rock opera, alternate universe, retirement, and the paper). — It's dot com 01:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Well "people have seriously considered" is a pretty vague statement as it depends on who those people are. The wider wiki community has never seriously considered this so far - at least not to my knowledge. And I'm sure we won't either this time. Loafing 02:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should have a look at our forum. There have been many occasions where people have said Strong Bad Emails were probably over, and meant it. — It's dot com 02:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Admittedly, I am a bit ignorant when it comes to the forum. Are there actually enough active wiki editors active in the forum to call these threads expressions of the "wider wiki community"? There is only one name I recognise in that first thread, for example, and she didn't think it's the end. But yeah, there seem to be groups of people who expect/expected sbemails to end, I give you that :-) Loafing 12:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Nevertheless, we do not assume that there will be no more Strong Bad Emails until TBC speak out in an interview and say, "Yeah, we've decided to move on to do other projects on the site." They have just released the first of (hopefully) many Dangeresque Roomisodes. – The Chort 19:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
An excerpt from the commentary for Where My Hat Is At?,

MIKE: De-butt. And the umpire, too. Who, uh...

{Matt laughs}

MATT: Who we forgot to make that Easter egg! We were going to put the Umpire in an Easter egg in the last email we made.

MIKE: You'll never hear from him again now! That was his one chance!

-Lifty Fernandez

That commentary was done a while ago, before email 200 came out. And by "the last email" they meant the most recent one at the time. Homestar-Winner (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Right, "last email we made" does not mean "last email we're gonna make". — Defender1031*Talk 21:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

What exactly did Matt say in the email thunder commentary? Omnisweater 19:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

MATT: It's too bad this is the last email we're ever making.
MIKE: Yeah.
MATT: For sure, I decided right now, for certain, never again.
MIKE: Really?
MATT: {overlapping} Sorry.
MIKE: I bet by the time this DVD's out we will have made one already.
MIKE: {laughs} Alright.
MATT: I'm holdin' out.
MIKE: Okay.
Please remember how often and how much TBC like to screw with our minds. Matt seems to be teasing us here, so wait until they speak out in an interview or release Strong Bad Email #201. – The Chort 21:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
So, here we are almost 4 months after sbemail200, and the site has been pretty void of updates. We've gotten a couple-a toons and some awesome SBCG4APs, which admittedly took a lot of time... but will there ever be a numbah 201? The longest hiatuses between emails in recent years have been 49 days (between 195 and 196), 55 days (between 152 and 153), 63 days (between 173 and 174), and going unnecessarily further back... 71 days (between 7 and 8). Today, we're sitting at 112 days! Am I the only one who fears we'll never see sbemail again? Javaguy78 15:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Once again, please stop this discussion. It is all pure speculation at this point and therefore forum material. — Defender1031*Talk 16:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shrinking Text

Is there any way I can make some text in my User Page smaller? Some words in one of the sections drift offscreen. BBG 04:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Try <small>(insert text here)</small> around the text you want smaller. Like this! Acam30 16:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] homestar's speech impediments...

I think we should transcribe his speech impediments. The imitated voice shows the impediments, yet what the real stupid no-arms says looks like he's speaking normally. So we're going ta wanna replace "Homestar" with "Homestaw". Replace the "er" sounds with "ow". I think this MUST happen... I hope... Other than that this "UK English" thing is getting freakin' out of style! Down with UK English, up with transcribing Homestar's speech impediments at his speaking parts! I hope I touched you all. --The 386 My talk 00:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

That would take much too long, doncha think? Homestar-Winner (talk) 01:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it won't, IF WE WORK TOGETHER! Next. --The 386 My talk 01:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Just curious... where is it that you mean? Subtitles? Transcripts? A page enumerating his impediments? Confused, Dutchscout 01:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
{reply to The 386 after edit conflict} I think it's unnecessary (when reading Homestar's lines, you can pretty much be sure it's with his impediment) and could furthermore be confusing. And as for UK English, no, I would say what is getting out of style is your harping on this issue. It's not a big deal. We have people here who are used to UK spellings, and of course it's normal for them to write them. Just change them to US spellings; quit griping about it, which does no good. Heimstern Läufer 01:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm against transcribing any accent except:
  1. Coach Z's since his accent is not consistent and is frequently extremely divorced from the real pronunciation.
  2. Any time the accent is related to a joke (another reason I think Coach Z's accent should remain, as his frequently is.)
  3. Any time one character is mocking another character's accent (Strong Bad does this to Homestar a lot; ex. "Evewybody knows I'm a painted twash can.")
Otherwise, it just cuts down on readability. And indeed, the SBCG4AP subtitles don't transcribe Homestar's accent. Sure, they're full of mistakes, but they're official! Why should we? --Jay (Talk) 01:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that it would be a good idea to transcribe his speech impediment for the following reasons: a) we can always assume that he talks with a speech impediment unless noted otherwise and b) it will make the transcripts much more readable. Regarding your comment on UK English, The 386, there is really no need for your misguided passion, here. US English is already the standard for articles on this wiki, so your demand is moot. Loafing 01:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree that it shouldn't be transcribed, for all the reasons already said. I had assumed that it was a given that this was the practice and obvious as to why. — Defender1031*Talk 01:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Crap. --The 386 My talk 01:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Another thing to keep in mind, BTW, is that if Coach Z was to write a word, he'd probably spell it his way (remember, he believes that "jorb is a four-letters word.") Homestar always writes out his Rs, despite his trouble pronouncing them. --Jay (Talk) 02:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the site so slow?

I cannot get anything to load. Why is it so slow? 03:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the official site? I've been having problems with it as well since at least yesterday, and this has also been reported at the forum. — It's dot com 08:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Both sites working fine over here in England, today and yesterday. Maybe Strong Mad's sucking up all the bandwidth over there again? Try contacting your Internet provider if it helps. – The Chort 13:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Few, so it's not just me. Curse that garden hose! I don't get this. Is it a DDoS attack or something? -- 22:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I've been having problems, too. Nothing's loading for me and I wanted to get in those WF and SK pictures, but FireFox keeps timing out the connection. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 23:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I can get SOME of the action to load, but all of it takes a while to do. For example, one short sbemail takes about 5 minutes to load, whereas normal, it takes a few seconds. USA Charter Cable here. ColdReactive
I had some trouble yesterday, but only with large things like Stinkoman 20X6, I'm on way fast University-style Internet -Dutchscout 03:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
It's start to work fine for me with a little lag. Another interesting note, earlier, using the Greasemonkey script, though the Flash file was not loaded all the way (probably all the loading frames plus another one), it still functioned! I'm thinking it can't be my cache; I haven't went there in a while! -- 03:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Better now - 20X6 game loaded in <20sec, guess it's a 'slow news' day ;), but seriously, does this happen often? -Dutchscout 03:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've only known H*R since March of '07 (Wiki around the same month, but really I paid no attention to it until April, me thinks), and I've the official site regularly, except this summer. This is this first it has happened to me, if memory serves me right. -- 12:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, is anyone else finding the weeklies' subtitles not updated, but the pictures are???That Game Dude 386 01:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Though I haven't tried, I think it's cache. -- 01:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't know what happened— it's working now. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 04:58, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SBCG4AP Update?

Has anyone checked the site lately? There's an update about the final episode of SBCG4AP there, but it doesn't actually link to anything, and the game isn't out yet...

[1] [2]

CloneWarrior 19:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

--Nevermind, my computer just wasn't loading the pop-up ad... CloneWarrior 19:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

A question: So I just updated Main Page Messages with the message about 8-bit is enough - Should I put that on the whatsnew template, and if so, what do I write there? Thanks, Dutchscout 19:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't put it on whatsnew. Do put it on H* Updates 2008, if not already there. --DorianGray 21:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weeklies Promblem

Currently, the weeklies show the reanimating quote with strong bad's face, the chainsaw car that says "cheat on cell phone", action bubs with it saying "undead sheep & plutis." I cleared my cache and stuff, but it still shows like this. But apparently, others can see it fine. ColdReactive

I had the same problem when I was first aware of the updated weeklies. I would suspect some caching problems somewhere upstream, possibly due to the slow response time the site was experiencing earlier this week. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Three or more days later, and it's still like this. ColdReactive
And it's still like this! ColdReactive
Looks normal to me. What browser are you using? —Guard Duck talk 15:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Firefox 3.0.5 ColdReactive
I even re-did my entire router from factory settings, and it STILL appears like this. ColdReactive
Are you saying you cannot see the Trudgemank quote, but you can see the other two weeklies? Homestar-Winner (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I can't see the trudgemank quote, nor can I download it, because the get it link links to this. The other weeklies have their right pictures, but not their right captions. ColdReactive
I even reinstalled my OS on a new hard drive(not for this reason) and I have this problem (Firefox) 22:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fanstuff update?

I'm sure that you've heard this a billion times by now, but I think it needs to be said: what's the deal with the fanstuff? As of right now, it's taken 112 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes and 46 seconds more than was scheduled. There isn't a problem at the forums anymore preventing work from being done. I'm aware Dot com has been sick lately, and I also was told he was better. Is this wrong? All we ask for is an update. The Noid 20:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

This project is on hold. I am waiting for MediaWiki 1.14 (which was expected to be released a month ago) before resuming it. — It's dot com 22:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
what - Chwoka
What the crap do you need that for? Can't you just put up the new wiki and just install it when it comes by? It saves a huge amount of waiting. >_> - ‪‪‪Znex 01:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
It's a huge hassle to upgrade. I'm not going to do it twice in a row. — It's dot com 01:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
More people would want the fanstuff more. Raiku 01:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, most people won't really care if we get 1.14 or not. We just want the fanstuff wiki back. - ‪‪‪Znex 01:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there's one who does. — It's dot com 01:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
A majority wants fanstuff. Raiku 01:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
We don't need 1.14 for the new wiki, do we? We can just live on 1.13 for the moment. It won't be the end of the world if we don't use 1.14. - ‪‪‪Znex 01:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
That has nothing to do with it. All I said was, the project is on hold, and the time I am going to resume work on it will be when 1.14 is released. — It's dot com 01:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
And I want to point out that I find the claims of "majority" dubious as best. All I can see is two people complaining because of logistical issues. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
What the crap?? You're saying you're not even half done?!?! >=O - ‪‪‪Znex 02:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Calm down. Dot Com can work at his own pace. He gave you a reason for why he's not working, and it's completely understandable why he wouldn't want to update the stuff twice. We just wait for Mediawiki 1.14 and then he can tidy up the place to let us in. And if he doesn't then we can complain more! Yay! --Shadow Scythe 02:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't know where "half done" came from. The new fanstuff wiki is built and fully functional except for one important thing: the user table. I am waiting for 1.14, which I expected to be released a while ago, before trying again to get it to work. — It's dot com 02:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

So, Dot com, do you have any idea of even an approximate date for when 1.14 will come out? In fact, where did you hear that 1.14 is going to be released soon? JCM 02:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

You might be able to fix it today if you tried. Raiku 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Fix what? JCM 02:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
User Table. Raiku 03:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Weren't you listening? It would be too much work to get everything running in 1.13 and then get it running in 1.14 too close to each other. Dot Com doesn't want to do extra work in the already time-consuming purge so perhaps we can just leave him alone for now. --Shadow Scythe 03:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, how hard is it to upgrade either of the Wikis? Looking at MediaWiki's upgrading instructions, other than the time it could take to download the entire database, it doesn't seem too hard if you know what you're doing and are able to modify the permissions easily from a normal computer. -- 03:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Those instructions are missing a few steps. Like transferring across all the modifications that we've made to the MW code to make it work exactly how we want it (of which there are many). And testing that none of them are broken by something else that changed in the new version. Also, testing all the extensions in the new version (of which there are quite a few). On top of all the usual testing you'd expect - checking nothing broke in the upload process, all the pages are still there, things like logging in and editing still work... Basically, testing is by far the most time-consuming part of the upgrade process (even though it gets a grand total of one sentence mention in that thing you linked to). Especially on a wiki like ours, with so many custom features, upgrading is far from trivial... and from what I gather, when the new fanstuff is open it will only be more so. phlip TC 03:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
by the way wbwolf, a large majority does want the purge done soon and by a large majority i mean everyone in the fanstuff community but most of us sane ones are willing to wait; all we really want are updates and this satisfies us. — (Talk | contribs) 03:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC) (left unsigned)
The number of customizations varies with each upgrade, because sometimes they come up with standard versions of our custom features (I've even been personally responsible for this a few times), and sometimes they change underlying code such that a new custom solution has to be devised. Just to give you an idea, though: upgrading to 1.12 required 66 steps (note, we are not on 1.13; part of the reason I'm waiting for 1.14 is we missed the window for 1.13). I then have a list of 97 tests that I perform. — It's dot com 04:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, well that makes sense. Thanks! The Noid 13:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
So about how long until the fanstuff is back up? Raiku 17:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
As already stated, whenever 1.14 comes out, plus time to get it all working nicely. — Defender1031*Talk 20:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Do you have the slightest idea when 1.14 is coming out? MHarrington 22:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
That has been addressed several times in this thread already. MediaWiki versions are supposed to be released quarterly. 1.13 was released August 14, and so to stay on schedule 1.14 should have been released three months later, on November 14, which was exactly one month ago. In other words, any day now. — It's dot com 23:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it strange how nothing is going as planned anymore? I think it's a stroke of bad luck or something. JCM 01:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
As a full-time Fanstuffer, if the fanstuff wiki isn't updated soon, I'm going to hurt someone. --Homestar tiger (HRFWiki)

[edit] Non Sequitur Templates

How come the captions for Homsar and Drive-Thru Whale never change on my computer? BBG 02:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Turning the wiki text and templates and suchlike into the final HTML page is rather complicated... to make things easier on the server, the final HTML is cached, so the server doesn't need to re-generate it every time someone looks at a page. So as long as it keeps using that cache, it'll still have the same words on the page. The cache gets reset (and thus, the random quote will change) whenever the page (or any of the templates on it) is edited (since the page has obviously changed), or if it's been a while since it was last loaded. You can also force it by adding action=purge to the URL. The same applies to any page that has random stuff, or things that change depending on the time (like the automatic featured articles on the main page). phlip TC 02:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] _NOTOC_

I don't want my page to have a table of contents, but that command isn't working for me. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 19:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

There are two underscores before and after "NOTOC", not one. -- 19:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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