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=== Easter Egg Pop Noise ===
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{{stufffact|When Strong Bad's dream bubble pops in the easter egg, the sound is identical to the "enemy die" sound in [[Wikipedia:Star_Wars:_Yoda_Stories|Yoda Stories]].}}
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{{stuffdata|[[lady...ing]]|21:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)}}
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*The sound is plain to anyone who has played Yoda Stories.
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*It is relevant to popular culture, as who has not heard of Star Wars?
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*Many who do not recognise it will likely find it interesting.
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*This is a very small reference.
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*The sound may not be indigenous to Yoda Stories. In fact, comments below indicate familiarity among people who have never played the game, so if it's a reference at all, it is likely not a reference to the game.
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*It is a possibility, as aformentioned, that the sound bite is actually very widespread.
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*I've never played Yoda Stories, but I know I've heard that sound before... I'll try and figure out where and post here... I think it came with Windows, or Plus! or something...
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=== I hear voices ===
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{{stufffact|The old-fashioned Homestar in this email has a lower voice than his Marshmallow's Last Stand counterpart, sounding slightly more like his modern self. Strong Bad's voice is also slightly more relaxed and sounds more like his modern counterpart.}}
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*Whan an old scene is re-enacted, it is nice to have a comparison like this.
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*They both sound more like their modern forms. A similar fact is used in [[flashback]]; why not here?
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*We normally kill stuff with language like that. Isn't it unlikely that an MLS-era voice would be "performed" precisely as it was years ago?
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*Both Homestar and Strongbad's flashback voices sound enough like their older counterparts to render this fact essentially unprovable.
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**I've compared them side-by-side. The fun fact above is true.
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**Whether or not it's true, the fact here is that Matt Chapman is essentially trying to do an impression of his Strong Bad and Homestar from years ago. In the present, he's spent years developing and refining the voices. No matter how talented a voice-actor he is (and he is quite talented), there's almost no way he could get the MLS-era voices ''perfectly''. And that was the intent of the "lady...ing" - to at least evoke the crudity of the MLS characters, and certainly to make fun of them, not to have them sound slightly more like their modern counterparts.
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***True as that may be, this is still an interesting fun fact.
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****I suppose it's interesting - the difference is noticeable. But there's just something about it that bugs me - I just can't see it without the subtext of "Matt Chapman, who created and shaped the voices of Homestar and Strong Bad that we all know and love, failed to exactly re-create earlier versions of his own voice from years ago." I know that wasn't the intent of the fact's author, but it still bothers me. Why can't we just enjoy the fact that TBC gave true H*R fans who even know what Marshmallow's Last Stand is a real treat to savor?
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{{stuffrevise|The old-fashioned Homestar in this email has a lower voice than does his Marshmallow's Last Stand counterpart. Also, Strong Bad's voice is slightly more relaxed. Due to difficulties in recreating earlier versions of character voices, both sound slightly more like their modern selves.}}
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* Why rewrite just to add speculation on why they sound like they do?
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*Wait. You rewrite it to ''add'' a speculation? And I thought this wiki didn't like those.
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*I like the re-write better, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's Matt in 2005 doing Matt from five or six years ago. The difference is not intentional (well, I'm 99% sure it's not intentional) - why not make it a "goof"?
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**This was plucked from Remarks, not Goofs. If accepted, it will go back there.
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=== What about Van Mundegaarde?===
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{{stufffact|Strong Bad's comments about his closest friends are devoid of mention of his self-proclaimed (in [[2_years|2 years]]) main man, Van Mundegaarde.}}
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*"Main man" and "best friend" are arguably synonymous phrases.
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*The authors' (of [[2_years]] and [[lady...ing]]) references to themselves as Strong Bad's "Main Man" and "2nd and 3rd best Friends Ever," as well as Strong Bad's responses to these claims, are strikingly similar.
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*This is close enough to merit attention. I believe all viewers should have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether or not Strong Bad is contradicting himself.
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*Even though best friends change over time, Van Mundegaarde has remained Strong Bad's main man since 1987.
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*Possibly they said 2nd and 3rd as to not step on Mundegaarde's title
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*Strong Bad does this sort of thing all the time.
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*Van Mundegaarde is his main man, Fabrosi is his first best friend, ever.  They're different.
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*Best friends change over time. The email [[2 years]], was a long time ago.
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*I don't think TBC are <i>that</i> focused on such minor continuity.
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*The point I would have made would be that the writers of the email probably ''remembered'' Van Mundegaarde being Strong Bad's main man, and so opted to identify themselves as second and third, knowing that the number one slot has already been filled.
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**I agree, maybe we should put that up instead.
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=== Adorable The Cheat's blue eyes ===
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{{stufffact|Adorable The Cheat shares [[20X6_The_Cheat|20X6 The Cheat]]'s irresistible blue eyes.}}
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{{stuffdata|[[lady...ing]]|15:58, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)}}
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*The blue eyes shared by both versions of the Cheat are unmistakably similar, and both are intended for increased adorability.
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*Comparison of the pictures below reveals both similarities and differences, with the significant similarities being color, reflection of light, and a qualitative "cuteness" factor.
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* Actually, they are both just creepy blue eyes. They look very different when you compare them.
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*As can be seen in the pictures below, the eyes may both be large and blue, but they have very different shapes. The Cheat's eyes are very vertical ovals and have eyelashes; 20X6 Cheat's eyes are more horizontal, lack lashes, and the outline doesn't go all the way around the eyes. The Cheat also doesn't have noticeable pupils, while 20X6 Cheat does.
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* The two images don't use the same colour of blue.  The Cheat's eyes are 0x0000CF, whereas 20X6 Cheat's eyes are 0x0000FF.
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* "Shares" is not the right word, because they are obviously different eyes.
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*Let's compare:
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*Even if they are similar, that doesn't automatically make it a reference, especially since they're just as different as they are similar.
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*Maybe shares should be replaced with resembles.
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*There seems to be enough evidence that, up close, the furry little guy's eyes are blue.
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*He doesn't have blue eyes. He had blue eyes as a joke in lady...ing, and had them as his 20X6 counterpart to make him look different.
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*It's just fot the sake of cuteness.
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*This item is intended to replace the one above, but it is '''not''' proposed for [[lady...ing]]. The fact is intended for the '''article''' on [[The Cheat]].
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=== Long Pants reference ===
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*Homestar isn't wearing anything other than what he usually wears. He shakes his leg showing that he's wearing pants, just like he insisted he did in "long pants".
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*Just because it is a reference to earlier in the same email, doesn't preclude it from being a reference to another email as well.
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* This is not a reference to "long pants".  It is a "reference" to Strong Bad's tip to "wear tight pants that accentuate all your suppleties".  And since a toon can't reference itself this is not an inside reference.
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* Homestar nearly quotes Strong Bad exactly from previously in the toon: "I'm wearin' tight pants so as to accentuate all my bubbleties!"  How can that be a reference to a different toon altogether?
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*Also, long pants isn't the first time they have mentioned Homestar's apperant lack of pants
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*The implication that Homestar's legs ARE pants, as implied by the leg shaking mentioned above, was brought up in long pants, and it's certainly not impossible TBC are bringing that up again.
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*Keep in mind that yes, Strong Bad ''did'' say to wear tight pants, but Homestar looks exactly like he always does. Homestar claims that his legs are pants, and because they don't have any obvious cuffs, would therefore have to be tight to begin with.
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* So every time Homestar mentions "pants", it is automatically a reference to [[long pants]]?
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**Good point. We don't call every time strong bad kicks the cheat a refrence to [[little animal]].
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***But we ''do'' point out the reference to the [[Kicking The Cheat|running gag]].
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*I will accept this if we revise it to "Homestar telling Marzipan he is wearing pants when he looks no different to normal is a reference to [[long pants]]."
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*If this stays in, ''maybe'' instead of saying it's a direct reference to [[long pants]], it should be called a running gag or something. They also mentioned Homestar's pants in [[Sbemail 100 fakeout|Not the 100th Email!!!]] and [[monument]].
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**This is a good point. See: [[Homestar Runner's Pants|Homestar's Pants]]
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*I think tight pants ARE a running gag or at least an inside joke. Look in [[super powers]], [[Pom Pom]]'s character page, [[Because, It's Midnite (karaoke)]] and [[lady...ing]].
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*If the article on [[Homestar Runner's Pants|Homestar's Pants]] is accepted, then the fact would need to be revised as above. This revision would then automatically accepted as a [[:Category:Running Gags|running gag]]. If the article is ''not'' accepted, then this revision can be ignored. Any discussion would be at [[Talk:Homestar's Pants]].
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=== Holy crap! ===
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*The phrase wasn't used until [[A Jumping Jack Contest]], which was in an entirely different style and time period.
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*[[personal favorites]] is not a true "way back" scene. It was after "Holy crap" was introduced in the newer styles.
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*The overuse of "Holy Crap" is from an entirely different "back then" era. The Luau era, to be exact.
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*He did use it in the other "way back" scene from [[personal favorites]].
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*<s>MLS is not an era, just one toon. Not just that, but</s> It's the first toon with voice acting, so it's natural that Strong Bad's personality wouldn't be fully developed.
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*They are simply parodying the fact that "back then" Strong Bad supposedly said the phrase a lot.
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*As the fact stands (after crossing stuff out), it doesn't seem particularly noteworthy.
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*His "holy crap" overuse in the flashback would be accurate if it was showing something from "The Luau" era, when that phrase was overused.
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*Exactly what constitutes the "Marshmallow's Last Stand era"?
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**It's not exactly an era, but rather a toon, because the style was never really used again, except to mock the old style. Any modern appearances of it are "parodies," methinks.
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*Technically, neither "personal favourites" nor "lady...ing" are true "way back" scenes. They were both made long after the phrase was overused.
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**Yes, but they are still attempting to parody the MLS-style, which is pre-Holy Crap. Or perhaps, they may be parodying two different old styles at the same time, although they make it look like they are only parodying one.
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*Isn't this email also pre-SB-kicking-The-Cheat? I think there's no reason to be pedantic about these things.
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**Kicking The Cheat is from after-MLS period, but it makes sense in context of the toon and only appears once. Holy crap, however, is placed in several out-of-context areas for no reason than just to overuse it.
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***But Homestar was the first to kick The Cheat in the first book. I think it should be a running gag.
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*How 'bout remove the word "era"; there's no question that he doesn't use it that particular 'toon.
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**Seconded.. remove that word, it makes more sense. It may also be useful to note that he's saying 'Holy crap' a lot more in the flashback than he does nowadays, hence making it unusual.
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***'''NOTE:''' The word "era" has been crossed out from the fact. This is not being proposed as a full Revision because (1) it doesn't change the substance of the fact, and (2) it would be confusing given that the Accepts are currently leading. If anyone has a serious issue with this, leave a note here and we'll figure something else out.
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*Things like the old characters page still use the MLS design.
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=== Ice Creme Fixation===
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{{stufffact|This is the second instance where Strong Bad ends his email by saying that he wants ice cream. The first instance was [[kids' book]].}}
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Current revision as of 05:42, 1 November 2022

These HRWiki:STUFF items are preserved here as an archive. Do not add new votes.

Contents


[edit] Easter Egg Pop Noise

When Strong Bad's dream bubble pops in the easter egg, the sound is identical to the "enemy die" sound in Yoda Stories.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 21:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The sound is plain to anyone who has played Yoda Stories.
  • It is relevant to popular culture, as who has not heard of Star Wars?
  • Many who do not recognise it will likely find it interesting.

Arguments against:

  • This is a very small reference.
  • The sound may not be indigenous to Yoda Stories. In fact, comments below indicate familiarity among people who have never played the game, so if it's a reference at all, it is likely not a reference to the game.

Additional comments:

  • It is a possibility, as aformentioned, that the sound bite is actually very widespread.
  • I've never played Yoda Stories, but I know I've heard that sound before... I'll try and figure out where and post here... I think it came with Windows, or Plus! or something...


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. The4swordImage:The4swordssigpicisbetterthanyours.PNG
  1. YKHi. I'm Ayjo!
  2. harry. talk.
  3. Abookofmatches
  4. Mycroft Holmes
  5. — Lapper (talk)
  6. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  7. Trey56
  8. H*Bad

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[edit] I hear voices

The old-fashioned Homestar in this email has a lower voice than his Marshmallow's Last Stand counterpart, sounding slightly more like his modern self. Strong Bad's voice is also slightly more relaxed and sounds more like his modern counterpart.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 18:41, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Whan an old scene is re-enacted, it is nice to have a comparison like this.
  • They both sound more like their modern forms. A similar fact is used in flashback; why not here?

Arguments against:

  • We normally kill stuff with language like that. Isn't it unlikely that an MLS-era voice would be "performed" precisely as it was years ago?

Additional comments:

  • Both Homestar and Strongbad's flashback voices sound enough like their older counterparts to render this fact essentially unprovable.
    • I've compared them side-by-side. The fun fact above is true.
    • Whether or not it's true, the fact here is that Matt Chapman is essentially trying to do an impression of his Strong Bad and Homestar from years ago. In the present, he's spent years developing and refining the voices. No matter how talented a voice-actor he is (and he is quite talented), there's almost no way he could get the MLS-era voices perfectly. And that was the intent of the "lady...ing" - to at least evoke the crudity of the MLS characters, and certainly to make fun of them, not to have them sound slightly more like their modern counterparts.
      • True as that may be, this is still an interesting fun fact.
        • I suppose it's interesting - the difference is noticeable. But there's just something about it that bugs me - I just can't see it without the subtext of "Matt Chapman, who created and shaped the voices of Homestar and Strong Bad that we all know and love, failed to exactly re-create earlier versions of his own voice from years ago." I know that wasn't the intent of the fact's author, but it still bothers me. Why can't we just enjoy the fact that TBC gave true H*R fans who even know what Marshmallow's Last Stand is a real treat to savor?



Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  2. Joshua
  3. Jay (Gobble)
  4. mibluvr13dígame
  5. — It's dot com
  6. GG Crono
  7. «Rob»
  8. Ppk01
  9. aaronak
  10. Dasrik
  11. phlip TC
  12. (trogga)
  13. Bad Graphics Ghost
  1. DorianGray
  2. tomstiff
  3. Trey56
  4. BazookaJoe
  5. The Smoking Monkey
  6. Point7Q
  7. Trelawney
  8. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif

Proposed revision:

The old-fashioned Homestar in this email has a lower voice than does his Marshmallow's Last Stand counterpart. Also, Strong Bad's voice is slightly more relaxed. Due to difficulties in recreating earlier versions of character voices, both sound slightly more like their modern selves.

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

  • Why rewrite just to add speculation on why they sound like they do?

Additional comments:

  • Wait. You rewrite it to add a speculation? And I thought this wiki didn't like those.
  • I like the re-write better, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's Matt in 2005 doing Matt from five or six years ago. The difference is not intentional (well, I'm 99% sure it's not intentional) - why not make it a "goof"?
    • This was plucked from Remarks, not Goofs. If accepted, it will go back there.



Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. phlip TC
  2. Point7Q
  3. Bad Graphics Ghost
  4. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  5. --The Smoking Monkey
  6. aaronak

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[edit] What about Van Mundegaarde?

Strong Bad's comments about his closest friends are devoid of mention of his self-proclaimed (in 2 years) main man, Van Mundegaarde.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 16:20, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • "Main man" and "best friend" are arguably synonymous phrases.
  • The authors' (of 2_years and lady...ing) references to themselves as Strong Bad's "Main Man" and "2nd and 3rd best Friends Ever," as well as Strong Bad's responses to these claims, are strikingly similar.
  • This is close enough to merit attention. I believe all viewers should have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether or not Strong Bad is contradicting himself.
  • Even though best friends change over time, Van Mundegaarde has remained Strong Bad's main man since 1987.
  • Possibly they said 2nd and 3rd as to not step on Mundegaarde's title

Arguments against:

  • Strong Bad does this sort of thing all the time.
  • Van Mundegaarde is his main man, Fabrosi is his first best friend, ever. They're different.
  • Best friends change over time. The email 2 years, was a long time ago.
  • I don't think TBC are that focused on such minor continuity.

Additional comments:

  • The point I would have made would be that the writers of the email probably remembered Van Mundegaarde being Strong Bad's main man, and so opted to identify themselves as second and third, knowing that the number one slot has already been filled.
    • I agree, maybe we should put that up instead.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. bkmlb
  2. Trey56
  3. Mithent
  4. MegamanEXE
  5. Point7Q
  6. ACupOfCoffee
  7. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  8. TROGGA!
  9. Norman rorqual
  10. Ju Ju Master
  11. Ppk01
  12. BDHMan
  13. oracleoftruth
  1. DorianGray
  2. DG
  3. notstrongorbad
  4. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif
  5. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  6. tomstiff
  7. — It's dot com
  8. Joshua
  9. —FireBird|Talk
  10. phlip TC
  11. invisible robot fish
  12. --The Smoking Monkey
  13. BazookaJoe
  14. aaronak
  15. The Pardack
  16. Upset_Your_Balance

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[edit] Adorable The Cheat's blue eyes

Adorable The Cheat shares 20X6 The Cheat's irresistible blue eyes.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 15:58, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The blue eyes shared by both versions of the Cheat are unmistakably similar, and both are intended for increased adorability.
  • Comparison of the pictures below reveals both similarities and differences, with the significant similarities being color, reflection of light, and a qualitative "cuteness" factor.

Arguments against:

  • Actually, they are both just creepy blue eyes. They look very different when you compare them.
  • As can be seen in the pictures below, the eyes may both be large and blue, but they have very different shapes. The Cheat's eyes are very vertical ovals and have eyelashes; 20X6 Cheat's eyes are more horizontal, lack lashes, and the outline doesn't go all the way around the eyes. The Cheat also doesn't have noticeable pupils, while 20X6 Cheat does.
  • The two images don't use the same colour of blue. The Cheat's eyes are 0x0000CF, whereas 20X6 Cheat's eyes are 0x0000FF.
  • "Shares" is not the right word, because they are obviously different eyes.

Additional comments:

  • Let's compare:

  • Even if they are similar, that doesn't automatically make it a reference, especially since they're just as different as they are similar.
  • Maybe shares should be replaced with resembles.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Trey56
  2. Tuquee
  3. MegamanEXE
  4. BGG
  5. Point7Q
  6. invisible robot fish
  7. Norman rorqual
  8. --The Smoking Monkey
  9. Volctalile Checmilal
  10. Poopsmith Z
  11. Ppk01
  12. Dasrik
  13. Kiwi
  14. C.Olimar788
  15. Bad Graphics Ghost
  16. Rebochan
  1. Joshua
  2. DorianGray
  3. DG
  4. Jay (Gobble)
  5. GG Crono
  6. —FireBird|Talk
  7. ACupOfCoffee
  8. phlip TC
  9. — It's dot com
  10. BazookaJoe
  11. aaronak
  12. (trogga)

Proposed revision:

The Cheat has blue eyes.

Arguments for:

  • There seems to be enough evidence that, up close, the furry little guy's eyes are blue.

Arguments against:

  • He doesn't have blue eyes. He had blue eyes as a joke in lady...ing, and had them as his 20X6 counterpart to make him look different.
  • It's just fot the sake of cuteness.

Additional comments:

  • This item is intended to replace the one above, but it is not proposed for lady...ing. The fact is intended for the article on The Cheat.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — It's dot com
  2. DorianGray
  3. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  4. THE SMOKING MONKEY
  1. Ju Ju Master
  2. Jay (Gobble)
  3. phlip TC
  4. aaronak
  5. GG Crono
  6. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  7. Ppk01
  8. Trey56
  9. (trogga)

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[edit] Long Pants reference

Homestar's mention that he's wearing pants is a reference to long pants.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 20:51, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Homestar isn't wearing anything other than what he usually wears. He shakes his leg showing that he's wearing pants, just like he insisted he did in "long pants".
  • Just because it is a reference to earlier in the same email, doesn't preclude it from being a reference to another email as well.

Arguments against:

  • This is not a reference to "long pants". It is a "reference" to Strong Bad's tip to "wear tight pants that accentuate all your suppleties". And since a toon can't reference itself this is not an inside reference.
  • Homestar nearly quotes Strong Bad exactly from previously in the toon: "I'm wearin' tight pants so as to accentuate all my bubbleties!" How can that be a reference to a different toon altogether?
  • Also, long pants isn't the first time they have mentioned Homestar's apperant lack of pants

Additional comments:

  • The implication that Homestar's legs ARE pants, as implied by the leg shaking mentioned above, was brought up in long pants, and it's certainly not impossible TBC are bringing that up again.
  • Keep in mind that yes, Strong Bad did say to wear tight pants, but Homestar looks exactly like he always does. Homestar claims that his legs are pants, and because they don't have any obvious cuffs, would therefore have to be tight to begin with.
  • So every time Homestar mentions "pants", it is automatically a reference to long pants?
    • Good point. We don't call every time strong bad kicks the cheat a refrence to little animal.
  • I will accept this if we revise it to "Homestar telling Marzipan he is wearing pants when he looks no different to normal is a reference to long pants."
  • If this stays in, maybe instead of saying it's a direct reference to long pants, it should be called a running gag or something. They also mentioned Homestar's pants in Not the 100th Email!!! and monument.
  • I think tight pants ARE a running gag or at least an inside joke. Look in super powers, Pom Pom's character page, Because, It's Midnite (karaoke) and lady...ing.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — It's dot com
  2. DorianGray
  3. Shadow Hog
  4. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  5. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif
  6. Point7Q
  7. Mikelx215
  8. ACupOfCoffee
  9. phlip TC
  10. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  11. TROGGA!
  12. —↑Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_↓
  13. invisible robot fish
  14. --The Smoking Monkey
  15. Xeroc
  16. —FireBird|Talk
  17. Trey56
  18. Ppk01
  19. Kiwi
  1. bw
  2. Rogue Leader / (my talk)
  3. Joshua
  4. GG Crono
  5. Norman rorqual
  6. aaronak

Proposed revision:

This is another reference to Homestar's Pants.
  • If the article on Homestar's Pants is accepted, then the fact would need to be revised as above. This revision would then automatically accepted as a running gag. If the article is not accepted, then this revision can be ignored. Any discussion would be at Talk:Homestar's Pants.

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[edit] Holy crap!

Although Strong Bad says "Holy crap" a lot in the flashback, he never actually used this phrase in Marshmallow's Last Stand.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 01:53, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The phrase wasn't used until A Jumping Jack Contest, which was in an entirely different style and time period.
  • personal favorites is not a true "way back" scene. It was after "Holy crap" was introduced in the newer styles.
  • The overuse of "Holy Crap" is from an entirely different "back then" era. The Luau era, to be exact.

Arguments against:

  • He did use it in the other "way back" scene from personal favorites.
  • MLS is not an era, just one toon. Not just that, but It's the first toon with voice acting, so it's natural that Strong Bad's personality wouldn't be fully developed.
  • They are simply parodying the fact that "back then" Strong Bad supposedly said the phrase a lot.
  • As the fact stands (after crossing stuff out), it doesn't seem particularly noteworthy.

Additional comments:

  • His "holy crap" overuse in the flashback would be accurate if it was showing something from "The Luau" era, when that phrase was overused.
  • Exactly what constitutes the "Marshmallow's Last Stand era"?
    • It's not exactly an era, but rather a toon, because the style was never really used again, except to mock the old style. Any modern appearances of it are "parodies," methinks.
  • Technically, neither "personal favourites" nor "lady...ing" are true "way back" scenes. They were both made long after the phrase was overused.
    • Yes, but they are still attempting to parody the MLS-style, which is pre-Holy Crap. Or perhaps, they may be parodying two different old styles at the same time, although they make it look like they are only parodying one.
  • Isn't this email also pre-SB-kicking-The-Cheat? I think there's no reason to be pedantic about these things.
    • Kicking The Cheat is from after-MLS period, but it makes sense in context of the toon and only appears once. Holy crap, however, is placed in several out-of-context areas for no reason than just to overuse it.
      • But Homestar was the first to kick The Cheat in the first book. I think it should be a running gag.
  • How 'bout remove the word "era"; there's no question that he doesn't use it that particular 'toon.
    • Seconded.. remove that word, it makes more sense. It may also be useful to note that he's saying 'Holy crap' a lot more in the flashback than he does nowadays, hence making it unusual.
      • NOTE: The word "era" has been crossed out from the fact. This is not being proposed as a full Revision because (1) it doesn't change the substance of the fact, and (2) it would be confusing given that the Accepts are currently leading. If anyone has a serious issue with this, leave a note here and we'll figure something else out.
  • Things like the old characters page still use the MLS design.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Joshua
  2. Dwedit
  3. Exhibit A
  4. arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif
  5. M4RZ1P4N
  6. Homsar999Talk
  7. djm1791
  8. Ppk01
  9. Tuquee
  10. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  11. --Mikelx215
  12. Ju Ju Master
  13. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  14. Mithent
  15. Crystallina
  16. MegamanEXE
  17. BGG
  18. ACupOfCoffee
  19. phlip TC
  20. —↑Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_↓
  21. Norman rorqual
  22. Xeroc
  23. --The Smoking Monkey
  24. BazookaJoe
  25. aaronak
  1. DorianGray
  2. Sox101
  3. TobyTheRobot
  4. tomstiff
  5. invisible robot fish
  6. DG
  7. —FireBird|Talk
  8. Trey56

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[edit] Ice Creme Fixation

This is the second instance where Strong Bad ends his email by saying that he wants ice cream. The first instance was kids' book.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 16:40, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • This is a valid and interesting fact that lets the reader know that Strong Bad likes ice cream. This fact was deleted with the comment "removed a 'this is the nth time' item ..." but just a few lines above that is the comments that this is the first time that we see a close-up of the floppy disk container.
  • A statement, like at the end of kids' book, may seem insignificant at first. It's only when a second instance occurs that it becomes notable and interesting.
  • This has the beginnings of a running gag (see link below).

Arguments against:

  • The argument for says it all — it's a "this is the nth time" item (a "second"). The other item stated was a "first," which we usually acknowledge.
  • This shouldn't be considered a running gag just yet. So far it's only two unrelated incidents. If he does it a third time...

Additional comments:

  • When do we stop acknowledging events? The 2nd time? 3rd time? 17th time? The long-standing standard is that only 1st time events are acknowledged.
    • For something special: the 1st time; for something ordinary that is like one that was before it: 2nd time; something that was repeated a lot: consider an inside joke/running gag.
  • If it were a running gag, it would be noted, because we note them whenever they appear.
  • I think I have stumbled onto something. I did some more searching...admitedly because I was tired of getting my fun facts deleted all the time...and with the aid of the handy dandy search engine, I realize this already is a running gag. TBC must really like ice cream. Because I found more references, I am moving my own vote to decline. I need someone's help because I think this should get its own article an I don't know how to start one or where it should go.
    • Talk:Ice Cream — please join the discussion on whether this should be recognized as a full running gag.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. DorianGray
  2. Ppk01
  1. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif
  2. Trey56
  3. tomstiff
  4. invisible robot fish
  5. GG Crono
  6. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  7. BazookaJoe
  8. aaronak
  9. --The Smoking Monkey

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[edit] Anchorman Strong Bad?

Strong Bad's using of gasoline as cologne may be a reference to the movie Anchorman, in which Ron Burgundy tells Brian Fantana that his sex panther cologne "smells like pure gasoline."

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 15:50, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The Bros. Chaps have been known to make all kinds of crazy references to all kinds of things, why not a Will Ferrell movie?

Arguments against:

  • Fantana's cologne is described by other people as more colorful things than just gasoline.
  • The "reference" is too vague.

Additional comments:

  • Even though Anchorman has been out for quite some time, it's still possible this is a reference to it.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Underdog45
  1. Sox101
  2. Jay (Gobble)
  3. Trey56
  4. DorianGray
  5. phlip TC
  6. — It's dot com
  7. tomstiff
  8. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  9. --The Smoking Monkey
  10. BazookaJoe
  11. aaronak
  12. Point7Q
  13. «Rob»
  14. Ppk01

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[edit] Broken Lappy Screen (Goofs)

While Strong Bad is sleeping at the end of the email (after he ducks out for the creme brulee ice creme), the Lappy's screen doesn't give the distortion effect it usually does when you click on it.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 16:30, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • This also happened in bottom 10 and was mentioned there.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. bkmlb
  2. DorianGray
  3. DG
  4. Tuquee
  5. MegamanEXE
  6. BGG
  7. Point7Q
  8. Joshua
  9. djm1791
  10. Andres92
  11. phlip TC
  12. arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif
  13. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  14. —↑Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_↓
  15. invisible robot fish
  16. Norman rorqual
  17. Xeroc
  18. --The Smoking Monkey

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[edit] Bubble Teas?

Homestar's "bubbleties" is aurally identical to "Bubble tea," a fashionable drink involving chilled tea and large tapioca balls. Is this worth including in "Real-World References," even though by no stretch of the imagination could it be considered an outright allusion?

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 04:52, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Um... Bubbleties. Bubble teas. It's worth noting, if people hadn't heard of bubble tea.

Arguments against:

  • "Real-World References" is supposed to be limited to "clear references," and this is certainly not that.
  • Homestar was just mispronouncing Strong Bad's phrase (which was mispronounced in itself).
  • If you need to ask if it is worth noting, it probably isn't.

Additional comments:

  • If all "Real-World References" were just "clear references," this wiki would have a lot less info.
  • If we've all done our jobs then it would have exactly the same amount of info. It's not a good idea to put sketchy info in just for the sake of having more info. Quality > Quantity.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. notstrongorbad
  1. Sox101
  2. DorianGray
  3. TaranchulaVamp15
  4. M4RZ1P4N
  5. Jay (Gobble)
  6. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif
  7. Homsar999Talk
  8. Ppk01
  9. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  10. tomstiff
  11. Ju Ju Master
  12. invisible robot fish
  13. — It's dot com
  14. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  15. GG Crono
  16. Trey56
  17. DG
  18. Tuquee
  19. Mithent

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[edit] Suppleties

The word "suppleties" means "supplements" in Dutch.

From: lady...ing
Posted on: 06:54, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

  • It's just Strong Bad mispronouncing "subtleties" with his old, bad accent.
  • This doesn't make much sense in context.

Additional comments:


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif
  2. Homsar999Talk
  3. Ppk01
  4. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  5. tomstiff
  6. Ju Ju Master
  7. invisible robot fish
  8. — It's dot com
  9. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  10. GG Crono
  11. Trey56
  12. DorianGray
  13. DG
  14. Mithent

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