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[edit] Strong Zoloft

  • I think that lump on top of Strong Sad's head is inspired by Zoloft ads.

No, the ads came afterwards. The Brothers Chap should sue! (just kidding)--Hysterical Woman 11:51, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

  • Come to think of it, the little Zoloft people look exactly like Strong Sad's disembodied head, except their eyes aren't as shiny. In his old style, this would not have mattred.
  • I read somewhere that the Zoloft mascot was a rock, though the way it's drawn, it certainly does look like it has a lump. I wonder what TBC did have in mind when they drew Strong Sad's head that way. Mr. Bland had one too, but it remains open to speculation. --Ogog
  • To me, Strong Sad's looks like he's wearing a Smurf hat.
  • Well this isn't importaint but I think that the lump on S.S.'s head is resault of being pumbled every hour on the hour buy Strong Mad and Bad the lump i think is one of those cartoon bumps when you get hit on the head.
  • Maybe Strong Sad has hair. Who knows? Maybe that lump could be a little bit of hair. Cheddarlebbon
  • Y'know, before I found H*R.com, a link between Strong Sad and the Zoloft mascot would never have crossed my mind. I always thought the Zoloft "rock" looked a lot like the Intel "Pentium Inside" logo, though.

[edit] Five Fingers?

Is it worth noting that in best thing (and in a few similar scenes), Strong Sad has five fingers? - 69.229.230.43

Strong Sad does not have five fingers in best thing. Homestramy20|Talk 03:39, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Strong Sad Rocks Out" Music Video

 [[The Skate Party]] made a song called "Strong Sad Rocks Out" with a wiki user created 
http://home.earthlink.net/~mrdrama07/SSRO_Higher_Bandwith_v2.wmv music video] for the song. 

This is now a dead link, so I've taken it off the page, if anyone has a working link feel free to add it to the page. --heavy bolter 11:32, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

donno if this is the same 1 but.. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/187036


[edit] Misunderstood guy

I like Strong sad, I think It's safe to say I would be friends with him in real life, of course, I'd make fun of him around strong bad and alot of other guys, but I'd convince him that I was foolin. Thechamp 13:41, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I totally agree, I think Strong Sad would be an okay guy if he wasn't so down on himself all the time.Homestramy20

Strong Sad is a great guy, but his constant depression seems keep the other characters from being friends with him. But I would be friends with him. Strong Sader

Same here! I would totally be friends with him.20X6 GEM

Hes also my favorite:D even more so than Homestar! But just a little bit... Homestramy20|Talk 01:11, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

He's not that depressed. Strong Bad makes it look like he is. He seems like a nice guy 'cause he befriends Homsar, which is an adventure within itself. XD --MrsCommanderson 00:59, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually I think Strong Sad is quite depressed. Sure, Strong Bad might make it seem more than it is, but the depressed person is pretty much what Strong Sad stands for. Seriously. Homestramy20|Talk 03:30, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Strong Sad is a great guy, and he actually got along with Strong Bad when they were little, and I know why Strong Bad turned on him. On the photo album I saw, it says that one time Strong Bad was cheating on something, and Strong Sad refused to help, so Strong Bad always does bad stuff to him. Cheddarlebbon


i would be best friends with him--Valf 23:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. I think that the other characters often portray him in a bad light. If Strong Sad was real, I'd be friends with him. And Homsar too. Strong Sad is probably one of my favourite characters. Haldo. How are you? 15:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that we're talking aboot Strong Sad as a buddy it reminds me of a guy at my school. He looks like Strong Sad in a really small way! So I have a Strong Sad friend (he aint depressed and dorky though). 85.228.165.63 20:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't help but notice that this topic seems to have attracted about one person per year. Odd. OptimisticFool 21:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


I'd defenatly be his friend

I wouldn't wanna have anything to do with Strong Sad, he's a loser.

I wouldn't wanna have anything to do with critical annonies, myself. Similarly, this is a forum talk. But yes, Strong Sad is an alright guy if you step back and see why he is so depressing. --Jellote 22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Compliment?

In the SB-Eamil lady...ing, Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a "cute baby brother". Was he giving him a compliment? Because this is the first time I have noticed Strong Bad say anything nice about Strong Sad.

Well, he did compliment Strong Sad's rhythm in caper. -- tomstiff 19:09, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Exacactly. So this is just another instance of how Strong Bad might think a bit higher of his little brother than he makes it seems.
Whoa, this is Strong Bad were talking about here people Homestramy20|Talk 08:02, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question...

Okay, I feel quite stupid asking this, But what does Strong Sad mean in this line from his Character page?

STRONG SAD: And it got me thinking, you know? Two lovers... collide...

Homestramy20|Talk 02:57, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I think it's actually 'two lovers... alive'. --DorianGray


Either way, I don't understand it.. is it suppost to be, creey? Or disturbing? Homestramy20|Talk 02:57, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No, it's really just a Strong Sad-ism, I think. --DorianGray

Hmm.. okay. Yeah, probably him just being... strangly random... Homestramy20|Talk 04:25, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

This is an old convo, I know... but... isn't there a song "When 2 Fools Collide"? --אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)

[edit] Have you noticed

strong sad seems to be less depressiong unlike in the earlier cartoons?

Nikolce Kocovski 10:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I still think SS is depressing, he's just developed a bit more, grown more character. Homestramy20|Talk 22:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
And Coach Z seems to get more and more depressing... talk Bubsty edits 03:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I noticed this image was updated by someone, but then reverted. While I agree with this revert, as the new image had too much empty space, I do think a new image would be nice. Why? Because the current image only shows a part of his body and is in an old style. We gots to stay current, you know? - Joshua 17:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I second that. I think a full body shot should be a requirement for a bio page like this. --DorianGray

[edit] Marzipan

This Strong Sad article says that "...his only friends are Marzipan, whom he seems to have a crush on..." I can't seem to recall any instance in which this has happened. Could someone show me an example of this if it's not too much trouble? - Almo

Try checking some of the Answering Machines, especially the older ones. --DorianGray
I think that's open to interpretation. Whereas Coach Z and Bubs are clearly trying to hit Ms. Pan up for dates, Strong Sad may be simply trying to make a friend anywhere he can. I don't hear anything in his messages that clearly indicates romantic interest. Indeed, it would be in character for Strong Sad to be too juvenile, too nerdy, or just plain too pathetic to want a girlfriend. (Don't get me wrong, I love Strong Sad.) I'm not saying he doesn't have a crush on Marzipan; I'm just saying there may not be enough evidence for us to assert that he does. Anybody got any other relevant data points? — Bill

Well, you can see Strong Sad has a crush on Marzipan in Strong Sad's charactor video where Marzipan is recording it. At the end, Strong Sad says "When lovers colide". Cheddarlebbon

[edit] Belly Button

Is it worth mentioning baby Strong Sad's lack of belly button? - Quolnok

It's already mentioned, in a way - "The true origin of Strong Sad's belly button is unknown, though it has been hinted that (L'il) Strong Bad created it with a drill." — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] gOOse

Does anyone think that Strong Sad has a noteworthy way of exaggerating words like gOOOOse and lOOOse? Kefti islander 02:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You're referring to "loose leaf" and "dead goose at me", I don't think two is notable. And the second is nowhere near as drawn out as the first. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should we remove the "email Strong Sad" link?

I just emailed Strong Sad asking when Strong Sad's Lament is going to be updated. I got this as a response. About 45 minutes later (48 if you want to be exact), I received this reply:

Strong Sad is no longer accepting emails because you people kept signing me up for "natural male enhancers." That, and the death threats weren't very cool either. Leemee 'lone! Strong Sad www.homestarrunner.com/sadjournal/

I guess it didn't get much — if any — legitimate mail. Unless that's what the old Easter egg mentioned in the depressio commentary was and it's back. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 23:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

That's noted here already. It could be noted here as well, I suppose. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad = Hamlet?

I found this image as an advertisement on SparkNotes.com

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Call it a shot in the dark, but this looks suspiciously like Strong Sad, doesn't it? Guessing by context, the image here seems to be of Hamlet. And it makes sense, too - Hamlet is perhaps the greatest chronically depressed character in literature. If this is in fact a common way of portraying Hamlet, can anyone verify a connection between Hamlet's image and Strong Sad's origin?

Hey, i can't see the picture that u found. Could u try to fix it? -Strong Rose

[edit] Lump = Hair?

I think the lump is just quaffed back hair. Anyone else think so? Strong Sader 09:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to disagree. If you look at the figurine, it is actually a lump. Remember when Homestar put a sock on his head in impression? That's why.

a photo of the figurine SaltyTalk! 14:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad's Music

That's a really good addition to his character page. But I have another band that he probably listens to.

What about They Might Be Giants? He quoted "Don't Let's Start" on his blog once ("Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful."), and during the Experimental Film commentary, he seemed to be defending the band (or at least the band's name) when Strong Bad and Homestar misname TMBG.

Someone comment on this; I think the band should be on his list. - User:TheDeathlyPallor

Good catch. I'll add it to the page. --Trogga 15:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lurker

This discussion was moved from Talk:Lurker after Lurker was merged with this article.

This should be merged with Strong Sad since nobody else is called a lurker. I also don't think it's significant enough to warrant it's own article. Loafing 06:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

All right, then. Go ahead. Retromaniac 16:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Even though thia topic's been dormant, I agree with merging the article with Strong Sad. I feel the information deserves to be a part of the wiki, but doesn't deserve its own page. Bluebry 20:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Agree. Merge. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 20:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Unless anyone has any immediate objections, perhaps we should merge it right now. — Lapper (talk) 03:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks likes solid consensus to me — I'm going to go ahead and merge it. Trey56 18:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Hey, call it a hunch, but I think that Strong Sad's age is somewhere between 18-24, as seen in looking old. when Strong Bad goes to "relate to some 18-24 year olds", he goes to Strong Sad. What do you guys think? --Strong Rose 19:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Check Talk:looking old#Estimated ages? for an involved discussion relating to the characters' ages. --DorianGray

[edit] Blinking

Has anyone else noticed that Strong Sad never blinks, while other characters do?--It Was the Book of my Dreams 05:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really, coz, like, Marzi and Homestar are the only ones who blink with any regularity. --DorianGray 05:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying all the other characters blink, I'm saying some do.--It Was the Book of my Dreams 05:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
More don't than do, though. --DorianGray 06:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Umm...

Why hasn't anyone noticed that Strong Sad has an extremely obvious cliched Canadian accent?--68.53.87.6

I can sorta hear it if I listen for it but I'd never noticed. I think it's just a minor coincidence. If it were really supposed to be a Canadian accent, there are numerous things they would have exaggerated to make it obvious but they didn't, so I don't really think it's supposed to be a clichéd accent.BryanCTC 16:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
You didn't mean to post this on Talk:Coach Z by any chance?BryanCTC 16:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm fairly certain I was talking about Strong Sad. I think is occasional exageration of "oo" might be a reference to it.--Homsar Lover

[edit] Thrice?

What does thrice mean?--Kanjiro talk 03:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a fancy word for three times (rather like how twice means "two times"). Don't worry, there's no "fourice", as far as I know. --DorianGray 03:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we put something like "Occasionally", or "A few times", instead of "Thrice so far"? --Kanjiro talk 04:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes. We tend not to like "at the moment"-type statements. Hard to keep track of and update. You wanna go ahead and do the honors? — DeFender1031*Talk 04:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Sure, why not.--Kanjiro talk 04:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Once, twice, thrice, frice, fvice, sxice, svice, eice, nice, ten times. 68.124.67.66 04:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Anything over frice gives me the jibbles.--Kanjiro talk 04:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twelve-Times-A-Day Man Article?

Shouldn't Twelve-Times-A-Day Man get his own article since Fat Bluebird, Tom Servo, Don Knotts do? 20X6 GEM 04:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

No. It was discussed, and decided since it's a minor variant of an established character (like Modestly Hot Homsar), it doesn't get it's own page. The ones that mention, while minor, appeared on screen, so need to have an article. It's rather a tricky thing to figure out, but I believe that's why the difference. wbwolf (t | ed) 04:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
If you look over HRWiki:IG, that's exactly what it say about such characters: "Page content relating to a character: Needs only one appearance in Homestar Runner toons, as long as it is not a minor variation of one of the already established characters, a character in a costume, or a different personality of that character." While being a guideline and not a rule, I think it should apply here. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
The Fat Bluebird is a bad example anyways, since it mainly has an article because of the commentary for Strong Bad Sings. --phlip TC 08:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Which strong says what?

They mixed up the strongs, it should say,"even though Strong Bad insults Strong Sad" User:PartyBrd20X6

Fixed. Thanks. --DorianGray 22:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Um... Sorry. At the time I didn't really pay too much attention to where it was used. It was correct the first time. --PartyBrd20X6 11:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] You open this door right now or I'll...

Who thinks Strong Sad's full name is, as Strong Bad said in Homestar Ruiner, "Strong Sad Raymond Jenkins" Strongkinghomsarsmith

Well...there's not exactly a way to confirm it, so...DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 14:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Good point. It could just be part of SB's er..whatever it was. But there's no real confirmation that Homsar's domicile is the Homsar Reservation, so it was put down as possible. Strongkinghomsarsmith 14:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
There's more evidence to support the homsar thing that this. — DeFender1031*Talk 18:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
There's as much evidence that that is his middle name as some of the thing's we've named on this site, like "The Dregs" or "The Exact Same" — 65.87.242.28 (Talk | contribs) 20:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC (left unsigned)
Well that would mean Strong Bad and Mad's second name is "Jenkins", that is, if Strong Bad is wrong...

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[edit] Is Strong Sad dead?

The Halloween 2008 cartoon ends with a suggestion that Strong Sad has willed himself to death, but he is still able to interact with the other characters (just not their cameras). Any bets as to whether this is a permanent dead or a one time dead?

This is a great thing to start a poll about on the forum. — DeFender1031*Talk 12:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad changing

Methinks there should be a character development section on Strong Sad. Anyone agree?

[edit] I feel like the article likes Strong Sad too much.

Allow me to rephrase: The article, the way it is written, makes me feel like it's not saying anything but good things about Strong Sad. I'm not saying he's not smart or rational, but I feel like we should show both sides of the coin, and write about his more annoying traits, such as clearly enjoying (or maybe not?) his extreme depression and still complaining that other people don't like him, like it's their fault. I dunno if anything I said made sense or is backed up by facts or anything, but we always show the bad ans the good of the other characters, so we should for Strong Sad too.--65.87.242.28 20:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

His depression is mentioned, and how often does he complain about people not liking him as though it's their fault? --It's Jay Times! (tines) 20:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
We already note he is annoying and depressed. Why kick this pitiable creature when he's down? If we write any unnecisary things about how crappy of a person he is, would that be fair? Strong Sad is my favorite character in terms of how deep he is. His brothers mistreat him, yet he still harbors love for them. His friends ignore him but he always shows them sympathy. Pretty much everything wrong with him we can easily trace back to idiot and jerkwad farther down the line, so it is their fault. Those aren't his bad traits. All that he has is depression that can easily explained. What more can we say? That he is annoyingly intelligent and micromanaging? Oh wait. Well, actually, we can. --Jellote 22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, maybe I phrased it wrong. I didn't mean we should necessarily say he is how I said he is, I meant we should focus on more than what we like about him. I personally am not a big fan of Strong Sad, but I do really like Strong Bad, and every time I see some person or article talking bad about him, I get a little bugged, so I can understand where you guys are coming from. But I do think we need it to be neutral in tone. You said that we should not write any unnecessary things about him. Well I think showing his annoyingness is necessary. But writing about how he still loves his brothers is also necessary. So, just to be clear, I'm not saying we should write about how crappy he is, I'm saying we should cover all his aspects. I hope this clears any miscommunications up.--65.87.242.28 15:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't see how what's written now isn't neutral. All the same, if you want to make edits, then this is a Wiki. No one's stopping you (though make sure they're useful edits if you don't want it to be reverted.) --It's Jay Times! (tines) 16:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Wait. You don't see why Strong Bad is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy? Sorry, but I think someone else needs to look at this from a nuetral standpoint. Strong Bad is a bully and a Crimes Committed by Strong Bad!criminal, man. He is undeniably a jerk and, although that is why we all love him, you shouldn't be shocked to hear some people trashing him. And as to your comment on how we should mention his whineyness, I wouldn't be on your case so much if it wasn't already noted in the article (it is noted throughout the first three paragraphs). While I think we should at least say he is annoying, it doesn't deserve more publicity than that. It is already noted besides that.--Jellote 22:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I understand SB is a bad bad man, I meant to say that I feel we should cover all his aspects too, to show that I don't just hate SS but want the article to be well rounded. On some more consideration and a second reading, I feel like this article is well written, with only one thing left out, as far as I can tell. It doesn't mention that he tends to be a killjoy when everyone else is going crazy with cartoon antics. Sorry for the trouble and for jumping to conclusions, it won't happen again.

[edit] His voice?!?

In the homestarloween party his voice is like that of a man's, but fast forward to now and it's risen by more than an octave!! What's up with that?!?

Homestarloween Party was, relatively speaking, one of the eariest toons on the website. TBC had just started out and so Matt wasn't used to talking in Strong Sad's voice because the character was still very new and blank personality-wise. So the voice was kind of low and unemotional at first, and probably not really different from Matt's normal voice. But as the years went on and Strong Sad became a more developed character, Matt got a lot better at speaking in Strong Sad's voice and gradually it changed into something that he was comfortable using and was now able to add more emotion and personality to his character. This kind of thing is actually very common in almost all cartoons, as most voices tend to be a lot worse when the show started than in more recent, more professionally-produced episodes. Strong Bad's change in voice was even more drastic; when the website started, he had this ridiculous, over-the-top, faux-Mexican accent and "bad guy" attitude because he was an extremely shallow character who's only purpose was to be the bad guy and shout "Holy Crap!" a lot. By the time Strong Bad starts checking emails on the Compy, Matt had dropped the accent and he spoke normally in a gravelly voice. He no longer behaves like a villain and has an affinity for old technology. Nowadays, Strong Bad's voice even less husky (partly due to the fact that TBC have since bought a better microphone) which can cover all sorts of emotions. He's got a unique personality and a voice to match, simply because Matt's ability to change his voice has improved impressively over the years. So in summary, apart from the pitch, nothing is up with Strong Sad's voice. – The Chort 16:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Skull

What's up with his skull? It's got weird flaps of empty space instead of cheekbones. CrabAttack1999 22:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WHITE IS THE PROFIT!

Strong Sad is the only character that has an image without a white background! Straight Editing! White Paint Daubs! Bucket of white for him! Get this down! - POM Z 01:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad's status as a Deletehead

I find it odd that this facet of his character isn't mentioned anywhere on the page, or even the "Strong Bad and Strong Sad's relationship" page. While it could be considered a rarely-used joke, I think this actually builds on his character quite a bit - giving Strong Sad a Stockholm Syndrome-ish opinion of his brother. Despite the frequent insults and beatings, he's still a huge fan of Strong Bad's email show, able to quote various obscure statistics and willing to camp by the computer for three days to shout "a-restricted!" (and who knows how long for "Holy crap!", according to the easter egg from the same email). I'd add these things to the wiki myself but I'm inexperienced with these things and would rather start a discussion to make sure others agree that it's a notable part of his personality. - BikdipOnABus, November 30 2009

[edit] Strong Sad part elephant?

Is it worth mentioning that it has been strongly implied that Strong Sad is "part elephant or part hippo or something?" In DNA evidence, when Strong Bad says that "the world will never know for sure," Strong Sad privatly agrees and starts laughing maniacly. I think that's pretty much a confirmation of his ele/hippo blood.

He's not part hippo. ----Marzifan 11:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Crying

Sometimes I think Strong Sad sometimes cries, but tries to hide his tears, I've seen him constantly rub underneath his eyes with his finger.

[edit] Eyes

I noticed Strong Sad eyes look like commas!

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