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=== Vowel Obstruction ===
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* Though 'Y' is not traditionally a vowel, it is often used as a vowel in the english language (Fly, why, cry, etc.) In both "party" and "sorry," and every other word ending in Y, Y is used as a vowel.
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* It is almost impossible to form a syllable without a vowel, and since Sorry's second syllable only contains 'Y,' that makes the 'Y' in sorry a vowel.
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* According to [http://encarta.msn.com/refedlist_210026329_5/letter_Y.html Encarta], Y is a vowel.
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* They actually ''did'' take one Y out ("B'Grl").
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* The word "vowel" indicates a sound, or how a letter is used, not whether it is an A, E, I, O, or U. Although Y is the only letter (besides those five) to be common as a stand-alone vowel in English, it's not even the only "consonant" to be used as a vowel fairly frequently; W, H, and even G get that distinction as well.
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*The "srry" argument below doesn't explain "prty".
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* The traditional vowels are A-E-I-O-U, not Y.
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* This fact misses the joke: a pun on internet slang.  "Srry" or "Sry" are the common usages of sorry on the net, not "Srr."
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* What's Her Face says "taking the vowels out of words" not "taking ALL the vowels out of words."
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* In this context, Y isn't used as a vowel.
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* ''Even if'' Y were never a vowel, this isn't a notable Fun Fact!
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* In the cases they ''did'' remove "y," the Y followed another vowel. Making ''it'' a vowel.
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* "Srry" might be a common word, but "'m"?! It's obvious she was going to extremes for no vowels. So why didn't she go all the way?
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** That's the question.  I doubt it's because of a mistake in writing.  I think it just makes more sense to use the traditional AEIOU set of vowels.  She didn't go all the way because if she said "Srr" it wouldn't have the connection to internet slang.  The 'm part just points out the absurdity of taking the vowels out of words, but without the "Srry" it would just seem like another weird thing, instead of the pun that it's meant to be.
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***The fact in question isn't for being a mistake or goof, it's a remark. Also, what is up with Y not being a traditional vowel? When making an '''E''', '''I''', '''ih''', or no sound at all, it's as much of a vowel as the other 5. Only when making a '''Yuh''' sound is it different.
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****<s>Actually, the Y in Yuh is still pronounced as a vowel, just part of a dipthong /ɪɑ/... now that I'm trying I'm hard-pressed to find an example where Y ''isn't'' pronounced as a vowel.</s>
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*****What about "yes", "you", "yam". Y is a consonant in all three.
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******Hmm, I've always considered Y to be a dipthong there (like /ɪɛs/ for yes) but I guess the experts disagree with me on this one.
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*******Actually, if you say "eeee" and then glide quickly to "oooo", you're saying "you".
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* If this fact is accepted, it should be re-written to be less vague.
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* People who haven't yet should read [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10#Vowels|this discussion]].
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* This fact has been changed since it was stuff'd without a revision vote (to my knowledge).  The original wording was ''Cheerleader and So And So leave the vowel Y in their words during the vowel-less scene.''
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** You are right. You're allowed to reword an item so long as the meaning doesn't change. The actual edit that changed it is <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:STUFF/Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_10&diff=174296&oldid=174289 here]</span>. The change was made relatively early in the process, and the substance of the fact was not altered by the rewording, namely:
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***"Cheerleader and So And So leave the vowel Y in their words" = "they left in Y, which is [sometimes] considered a vowel."
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***"during the vowel-less scene" = "when Cheerleader and So And So took the vowels out of words"
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** The only real addition is the word ''sometimes'', but that just makes the item more accurate.
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** None of what I've just said really matters anyway, because unless this item somehow experiences a huge reversal of fortune (which is not likely), then it's going to be declined.
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* [[comic]] was more than [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]].
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* This ''is'' the first one to feature outside-world content within the comic. In the email that features Issue 1, there's no outside-world content between the character introductions and the ending scene.
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* [[comic]] is a Strong Bad Email, not a TGS issue. It introduced TGS and contained the first issue of TGS, but the issue itself (if accessed from the TGS main menu) did not contain the regular Homestar Runner universe.
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*The first Teen Girl Squad issue was within the email [[comic]], which had the regular Homestar Runner universe both before and after it.
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*All of the TGS issues are simply comics that exist in the Homestar world.
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*It's blatantly obvious just from watching.
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*If this item is accepted, it should be concluded with "(not counting the [[Wikipedia:frame story|frame story]] in the email [[comic]])."
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*I'm sceptical about the usefulness of "this is the first time..." Fun Facts. They seem like they offer creative outlets for our Wikiful watchfulness, but to the average non-editing user who wants a knowledge base... is it important knowledge? If it's a ''debut'' of a major character or element that's one thing, but let's cut down on the "This is the first time we've seen Strong Bad scratch his right ear with his left hand" sort of thing.
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:*True, but it is already done all over the place.  This point is more significant than the "scratching" example.  This is more along the lines of "This is the first email in which Strong Bad makes fun of someone's spelling."
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[edit] Vowel Obstruction

When Cheerleader and So And So took the vowels out of words, they left in Y, which is sometimes considered a vowel.

From: Teen Girl Squad Issue 10
Posted on: 22:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Though 'Y' is not traditionally a vowel, it is often used as a vowel in the english language (Fly, why, cry, etc.) In both "party" and "sorry," and every other word ending in Y, Y is used as a vowel.
  • It is almost impossible to form a syllable without a vowel, and since Sorry's second syllable only contains 'Y,' that makes the 'Y' in sorry a vowel.
  • According to Encarta, Y is a vowel.
  • They actually did take one Y out ("B'Grl").
  • The word "vowel" indicates a sound, or how a letter is used, not whether it is an A, E, I, O, or U. Although Y is the only letter (besides those five) to be common as a stand-alone vowel in English, it's not even the only "consonant" to be used as a vowel fairly frequently; W, H, and even G get that distinction as well.
  • The "srry" argument below doesn't explain "prty".

Arguments against:

  • The traditional vowels are A-E-I-O-U, not Y.
  • This fact misses the joke: a pun on internet slang. "Srry" or "Sry" are the common usages of sorry on the net, not "Srr."
  • What's Her Face says "taking the vowels out of words" not "taking ALL the vowels out of words."
  • In this context, Y isn't used as a vowel.
  • Even if Y were never a vowel, this isn't a notable Fun Fact!
  • In the cases they did remove "y," the Y followed another vowel. Making it a vowel.

Additional comments:

  • "Srry" might be a common word, but "'m"?! It's obvious she was going to extremes for no vowels. So why didn't she go all the way?
    • That's the question. I doubt it's because of a mistake in writing. I think it just makes more sense to use the traditional AEIOU set of vowels. She didn't go all the way because if she said "Srr" it wouldn't have the connection to internet slang. The 'm part just points out the absurdity of taking the vowels out of words, but without the "Srry" it would just seem like another weird thing, instead of the pun that it's meant to be.
      • The fact in question isn't for being a mistake or goof, it's a remark. Also, what is up with Y not being a traditional vowel? When making an E, I, ih, or no sound at all, it's as much of a vowel as the other 5. Only when making a Yuh sound is it different.
        • Actually, the Y in Yuh is still pronounced as a vowel, just part of a dipthong /ɪɑ/... now that I'm trying I'm hard-pressed to find an example where Y isn't pronounced as a vowel.
          • What about "yes", "you", "yam". Y is a consonant in all three.
            • Hmm, I've always considered Y to be a dipthong there (like /ɪɛs/ for yes) but I guess the experts disagree with me on this one.
              • Actually, if you say "eeee" and then glide quickly to "oooo", you're saying "you".
  • If this fact is accepted, it should be re-written to be less vague.
  • People who haven't yet should read this discussion.
  • This fact has been changed since it was stuff'd without a revision vote (to my knowledge). The original wording was Cheerleader and So And So leave the vowel Y in their words during the vowel-less scene.
    • You are right. You're allowed to reword an item so long as the meaning doesn't change. The actual edit that changed it is here. The change was made relatively early in the process, and the substance of the fact was not altered by the rewording, namely:
      • "Cheerleader and So And So leave the vowel Y in their words" = "they left in Y, which is [sometimes] considered a vowel."
      • "during the vowel-less scene" = "when Cheerleader and So And So took the vowels out of words"
    • The only real addition is the word sometimes, but that just makes the item more accurate.
    • None of what I've just said really matters anyway, because unless this item somehow experiences a huge reversal of fortune (which is not likely), then it's going to be declined.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. DorianGray
  2. Spell4yr
  3. Joshua
  4. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  5. phlip TC
  6. H * R 7 0 0
  7. Jay (Gobble)
  8. Zelinda
  9. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  1. DMurphy
  2. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  3. Mosquito710
  4. Trey56
  5. —THE PAPER PREEEOW
  6. Rogue Leader / (my talk)
  7. THE SMOKING MONKEY
  8. EdKaye
  9. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.)
  10. Lil Stiny
  11. KillingYouGuy
  12. AbdiViklas
  13. BazookaJoe
  14. B
  15. — Lapper (talk)
  16. KookyKMan
  17. - Camalex(talk)
  18. RatherAnnoying
  19. TotalSpaceshipGirl3
  20. Sharp
  21. Sbemail(Talk,Contribs.)

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[edit] Free Comics, USA

This is the first Teen Girl Squad issue to take us outside the paper and into the regular Homestar Runner universe.

From: Teen Girl Squad Issue 10
Posted on: 18:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • comic was more than Teen Girl Squad Issue 1.
  • This is the first one to feature outside-world content within the comic. In the email that features Issue 1, there's no outside-world content between the character introductions and the ending scene.
  • comic is a Strong Bad Email, not a TGS issue. It introduced TGS and contained the first issue of TGS, but the issue itself (if accessed from the TGS main menu) did not contain the regular Homestar Runner universe.

Arguments against:

  • The first Teen Girl Squad issue was within the email comic, which had the regular Homestar Runner universe both before and after it.
  • All of the TGS issues are simply comics that exist in the Homestar world.
  • It's blatantly obvious just from watching.

Additional comments:

  • If this item is accepted, it should be concluded with "(not counting the frame story in the email comic)."
  • I'm sceptical about the usefulness of "this is the first time..." Fun Facts. They seem like they offer creative outlets for our Wikiful watchfulness, but to the average non-editing user who wants a knowledge base... is it important knowledge? If it's a debut of a major character or element that's one thing, but let's cut down on the "This is the first time we've seen Strong Bad scratch his right ear with his left hand" sort of thing.
  • True, but it is already done all over the place. This point is more significant than the "scratching" example. This is more along the lines of "This is the first email in which Strong Bad makes fun of someone's spelling."


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. DorianGray
  2. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  3. Sam Goldfish
  4. — talk Bubsty edits
  5. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  6. Joshua
  7. Upset_Your_Balance
  8. Spell4yr
  9. CATS
  10. Ju Ju Master
  11. Heimstern Läufer
  12. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  13. DJM1791 · (Sup | Stuff I Did!)
  14. DMurphy
  15. GG Crono
  16. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  17. James Craven
  18. Mosquito710
  19. H * R 7 0 0
  20. Lil Stiny
  21. KillingYouGuy
  22. B
  23. Trey56
  24. KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  1. User:Fhqwhgads
  2. — It's dot com
  3. — User:ACupOfCoffee@
  4. Come back, chocolates!
  5. THE SMOKING MONKEY
  6. — Lapper (talk)

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[edit] Electric Ozone

"Arrow'd 2: Electric-" also alludes to Strong Bad's Ozone (from Breakin' and Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo) costume in 3 Times Halloween Funjob.

From: Teen Girl Squad Issue 10
Posted on: 23:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

  • While it's true that B&B2 was referred to both times, there's no reason to assume that they had anything to do with each other.

Additional comments:

  • We've been over this before: do separate Real-World References to the same thing constitute Inside References? I'm not sure what I think myself; I'd be against describing it as an actual Reference, but inclined to note it in some way.
    • I agree. I would vote for a revision simply mentioning Strong Bad's costume was also from the movie while eliminating the "alludes to" inside reference.
  • I would say it might make a Fun Fact, not an Inside Reference though.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. James Craven
  1. — talk Bubsty edits
  2. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  3. Jay (Gobble)
  4. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  5. B
  6. Homestramy20|Talk
  7. Lil Stiny
  8. — Lapper (talk)
  9. THE SMOKING MONKEY
  10. Vile.exe
  11. Tenguman.exe
  12. Trey56
  13. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  14. CATS
  15. Point7Q
  16. Nero7x
  17. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  18. Spell4yr
  19. User:Fhqhwgads
  20. — It's dot com

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[edit] Blue is a reference to the sky

"Olympic Race" is a reference to Homestar's list on The Show.

From: Teen Girl Squad Issue 10
Posted on: 22:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • What? I don't believe there's any race in the Olympics that is officially known as the "Olympic Race Event." All races in the Olympics are Olympic races! So actually, I think it's too general not to be a reference, in that neither are true Real-World references.

Arguments against:

  • Just because olympic race is shown in both doesn't make it a reference. "The" is not a reference to "The Best Decemberween Ever"
  • Olympic race is a common race preformed in the olympics. Maybe if it were "Super Grand Olympiad Raceathon", but olympic race is too common to be a reference.

Additional comments:

  • We've had facts like this before, they weren't accepted either.
  • This is the same issue as above: individual references to the same Real-World phenomenon.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — talk Bubsty edits
  2. Ju Ju Master
  3. Trey56
  4. ChicosBailBonds
  5. Heimstern Läufer
  6. Crazydog My changes
  7. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  8. Jay (Gobble)
  9. BazookaJoe
  10. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  11. B
  12. Homestramy20|Talk
  13. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  14. — User:ACupOfCoffee@
  15. — Lapper (talk)
  16. James Craven
  17. Vile.exe
  18. Tenguman.exe
  19. videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif
  20. CATS
  21. Point7Q
  22. user:Fhqhwgads

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[edit] Different Voices

This is the first time a voice beside Strong Bad's has been used in the comic (the coach's).

From: Teen Girl Squad Issue 10
Posted on: 01:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

  • Extremely nitpicky.
  • It's not the first time, as the Vultures (and possibly Mr. Pitters) in Episode 9 had voices that didn't sound like Strong Bad.

Additional comments:

  • Don't we close verifyably false fun facts immediately?


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  2. AbdiViklas
  3. Jay (Gobble)
  4. BazookaJoe
  5. small_logo.pngUsername-talk
  6. DorianGray
  7. B
  8. Homestramy20|Talk
  9. phlip TC
  10. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)

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