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{{stufffact|Strong Bad's pronunciation of "mutant" is most likely a reference to the classic science-fiction film ''[[Wikipedia:This Island Earth|This Island Earth]]'', where an alien "mut-ant" (one of a race of humanoid ants) figures in the climax.}}
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*The pronunciation is identical to the movie.
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*[[Wikipedia:This Island Earth|This Island Earth]] was the basis for [[Wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie|Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie]], and TBC have been known to make references to MST3K before (like in [[A Jorb Well Done]]).
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*This was removed without being ''STUFF'd''.  I think it at least deserves a vote.
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* This version includes the MST3K reference, which is where This Island Earth was popularized.  Before MST3K made fun of it, it was a very obscure movie.
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* Suggestion: Remove the phrase "(one of a race of humanoid ants)" from the fact.  It's a little redundant and isn't necessary to get the point of the fact.
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=== Chris Impellitteri ===
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{{stufffact|Strong Bad's "Impellitteri Sector" is most likely a refence to metal guitarist [http://www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ Chris Impellitteri].}}
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*There's too many of these rock musicians for it to be a coincidence (Impellitteri, Satriani, Anselmo, ...) - maybe they should all be merged together into one fact?
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{{stuffrevise|The Proud Anselmo, Satriani 5 and the Impellitteri Sector all refer to famous rock musicians &mdash; [[Wikipedia:Phil Anselmo|Phil Anselmo]], [[Wikipedia:Joe Satriani|Joe Satriani]] and [http://www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ Chris Impellitteri], respectively.}}
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*Consolidates the three the musician facts
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*Although combining them like this is good, now there's no mention of where each is referred to. Although it ''is'' possible to go back and examine the email for them, it might take someone who hasn't seen the email many times a little while (one is in an easter egg, etc.).
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**There are plenty of facts like this in RWR for various toons where you read it and think "huh? where is that for" until you remember that pretty much every browser has a find-in-page button... That said, the fact's been reworded.
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*I'd say it needs further revision, mentioning the bands for Impellitteri (Impellitteri) and Anselmo (Pantera).
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**All that can be gotten from the Wikipedia links (or Impellitteri's homepage, since he doesn't have a Wikipedia article), it doesn't really add to the fact...
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*Part of this is in direct conflict with a STUFFed fact below. So, which Anselmo is it, Rene or Phil?
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**See the comment below: "There's nothing stopping both this and the Phil Anselmo reference from being on the page - it's two completely separate things it could be, not the wide variety of similar things that TTATOT applies to." I had earlier made the same comment as you, then retracted it in acknowledgement that the fact could even be two simultaneous, intentional references.
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***If we're going to run with both facts, I'd suggest putting them together - eg. "The Proud Anselmo ... refer to famous rock musicians ... Phil Anselmo. // The Proud Anselmo may also be a reference to Rene Anselmo."
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*What I think is that all these names are Italian, which coincides with Strong Bad's "Don't, like, the italians have a space program?".
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=== A mutant from where? ===
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*I'm not sure about this. I thought it was a joke about [[Wikipedia:Alpha Centauri|Alpha Centauri]], the star.
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**I thought it was a mangling of Saturn.
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***Actually, "Satriani 5" is closer to the names of various planets that the Enterprise crew would visit in ST:TOS.  I'd say this name is a reference to both Joe Satriani and to various sci-fi plots, although the latter probably goes without saying.
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*This email touches on NASA's beginnings by describing the beginnings of SBASAF and closely following the format of NASA's early propaganda about the space program, as well as paroding Star Trek and other similar sci-fi and cultural references at the time.  It makes perfect sense for the character names in here to have something to do with one of these categories - in The Cheat's case, a reference to a real-life person who helped form NASA.
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*A Thought occours to me. If the above fun fact is true (the one about Satrianis refering to Joe Satriani), then Anselmo = Phil Anselmo. We've got to remember this is Strong Bad's Space Program, and he's much more likley to name cool things after guitar heros than businessmen. It also agress with his taste for the Limozeen in Space cartoon; rock stars in space. Now I propsed this fun fact and even though it's getting support I think it's only fair, for accuracy, to consider this agrument.
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Just like your Earth insects. Larger, of course...

Strong Bad's pronunciation of "mutant" is most likely a reference to the classic science-fiction film This Island Earth, where an alien "mut-ant" (one of a race of humanoid ants) figures in the climax.

From: space program
Posted on: 13:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

Additional comments:

  • This was removed without being STUFF'd. I think it at least deserves a vote.
  • This is a tough one...I'm going to vote for it, but I'm adding in a "most likely" cause.
  • I think the MST3K movie needs to be mentioned in the fact before I'll accept it. This Island Earth was a VERY obscure movie before the MST3K movie.



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Strong Bad's pronunciation of "mutant" is most likely a reference to the classic science-fiction film This Island Earth (featured in Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie), where an alien "mut-ant" figures in the climax.

Arguments for:

  • This version includes the MST3K reference, which is where This Island Earth was popularized. Before MST3K made fun of it, it was a very obscure movie.
  • Given the similarity of the pronunciation, the sci-fi theme of the email, and TBC's known appreciation of MST3K, I think this makes sense.

Arguments against:

  • It's still just a misprounciation. Nothing else is said about this.

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  • Suggestion: Remove the phrase "(one of a race of humanoid ants)" from the fact. It's a little redundant and isn't necessary to get the point of the fact.
    • Removed. I never thought they looked much like ants anyway.


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  4. Trey56
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  13. THE SMOKING MONKEY
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Chris Impellitteri

Strong Bad's "Impellitteri Sector" is most likely a refence to metal guitarist Chris Impellitteri.

From: space program
Posted on: 11:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Chris Impellitteri is very famous.
  • Chris Impellitteri is exactly the sort of musician--an 80's and 90's rock guitarist--that Strong Bad would reference.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:

  • There's too many of these rock musicians for it to be a coincidence (Impellitteri, Satriani, Anselmo, ...) - maybe they should all be merged together into one fact?


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  1. Sharp

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The Proud Anselmo, Satriani 5 and the Impellitteri Sector all refer to famous rock musicians — Phil Anselmo, Joe Satriani and Chris Impellitteri, respectively.

Arguments for:

  • Consolidates the three the musician facts

Arguments against:

  • It's generally accepted that the anselmo was not related to the musician.

Additional comments:

  • Although combining them like this is good, now there's no mention of where each is referred to. Although it is possible to go back and examine the email for them, it might take someone who hasn't seen the email many times a little while (one is in an easter egg, etc.).
    • There are plenty of facts like this in RWR for various toons where you read it and think "huh? where is that for" until you remember that pretty much every browser has a find-in-page button... That said, the fact's been reworded.
  • I'd say it needs further revision, mentioning the bands for Impellitteri (Impellitteri) and Anselmo (Pantera).
    • All that can be gotten from the Wikipedia links (or Impellitteri's homepage, since he doesn't have a Wikipedia article), it doesn't really add to the fact...
  • Part of this is in direct conflict with a STUFFed fact below. So, which Anselmo is it, Rene or Phil?
    • See the comment below: "There's nothing stopping both this and the Phil Anselmo reference from being on the page - it's two completely separate things it could be, not the wide variety of similar things that TTATOT applies to." I had earlier made the same comment as you, then retracted it in acknowledgement that the fact could even be two simultaneous, intentional references.
      • If we're going to run with both facts, I'd suggest putting them together - eg. "The Proud Anselmo ... refer to famous rock musicians ... Phil Anselmo. // The Proud Anselmo may also be a reference to Rene Anselmo."
  • What I think is that all these names are Italian, which coincides with Strong Bad's "Don't, like, the italians have a space program?".


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  4. James Craven
  5. — Lapper (talk)
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  8. Spell4yr
  9. THE SMOKING MONKEY
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  1. Sharp

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A mutant from where?

Strong Bad's reference to Homestar Runner as a mutant from Satriani 5 is most likely a reference to guitar virtuoso Joe Satriani.

From: space program
Posted on: 10:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Joe Satriani is very famous.
  • Joe Satriani is exactly the sort of musician--an 80's and 90's rock guitarist--that Strong Bad would reference.

Arguments against:

  • I'm switching my vote to "Against" for this fact because it's now accounted for in the multi-fact above.

Additional comments:

  • I'm not sure about this. I thought it was a joke about Alpha Centauri, the star.
    • I thought it was a mangling of Saturn.
      • Actually, "Satriani 5" is closer to the names of various planets that the Enterprise crew would visit in ST:TOS. I'd say this name is a reference to both Joe Satriani and to various sci-fi plots, although the latter probably goes without saying.
        • It's possible for it to be all of the above. A play on the sci-fi ring (hehe) of Saturn and Centauri, and an awareness of Joe Satriani. (The alternative is that they made up a name out of thin air, it happened to be identical to a popular rock guitarist, and they had never heard of him.)
          • Yeah, Occam's Razor and all that. ;)
  • I would even argue that the words "most likely" could be removed from the fact.


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  2. CATS
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  4. Sharp
  5. JesseLangham
  6. Homsar999
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The Proud Anselmo, Satriani 5 and the Impellitteri Sector all refer to famous rock musicians – Phil Anselmo, Joe Satriani and Chris Impellitteri, respectively.

See the voting above.

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Hap Arnold

Harold "Strap" Coopmore is possibly a reference to U.S. Air Force General Henry "Hap" Arnold who served on the committee that would become NASA.

From: space program
Posted on: 22:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The nicknames rhyme and both individuals were highly involved in the birth of their respective nation's space program.
  • This is likely a real-world reference since The Cheat has never been associated with straps or the name "Strap" before.
  • Both names are five syllables long and "Harold" is a concatenation of "H. Arnold" omitting the -n-.
  • This email touches on NASA's beginnings by describing the beginnings of SBASAF and closely following the format of NASA's early propaganda about the space program, as well as paroding Star Trek and other similar sci-fi and cultural references at the time. It makes perfect sense for the character names in here to have something to do with one of these categories - in The Cheat's case, a reference to a real-life person who helped form NASA.

Arguments against:

  • It is rather esoteric and most esoteric references from TBC are inside references.
  • It's a coincidence.

Additional comments:


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Watersoup
  2. — talk Bubsty edits
  3. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) —
  4. Dankstoner
  5. RaisedByCoffee
  6. DorianGray
  7. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  8. JesseLangham
  9. MegamanEXE
  10. Spell4yr
  11. AbdiViklas
  12. Danbri28
  13. DJM1791 · (Sup | Stuff I Did!)
  14. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  15. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘
  16. — Lapper (talk)
  17. I R F
  18. Trey56
  19. phlip TC
  20. ♥ teeeffoh!
  21. CATS
  22. NightOfTheLivingEric
  23. James Craven
  24. KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  1. ISlayedTheKerrek
  2. Mycroft Holmes
  3. THE SMOKING MONKEY

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Proud Anselmo

The "Proud Anselmo" is most likely a reference to Rene Anselmo, the driven creator of the commercial satellite industry.

From: space program
Posted on: 21:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Makes sense for a space program bit.
  • This reference is more relevant than Phil Anselmo, who is/was a heavy metal musician.

Arguments against:

  • It's far more likely for TBC to make references to musicians than titans of industry.
  • Rene Anselmo created the satellite industry, but satellites aren't mentioned at all in this e-mail.

Additional comments:

  • It's already been noted in Fun Facts that the ship was named after Phil Anselmo, though the reason isn't given there.
    • I didn't notice it was already there, but I think this reference makes much more sense than Phil Anselmo.
  • Although I'm sold on this interpretation, I think it should read "... is most likely a reference to...", in deference to the many other things it could be (and our lack of absolute certainty).
    • What about also adding "It may also be a reference to Phil Anselmo" as a sub-bullet?
      • I say it's more a Phil Anselmo reference.
      • Since this is a cartoon, how about Tony Anselmo, the Disney animator who also provides the voice for Donald Duck?
        • It's all about context. There are a lot of Anselmos out there, but it's more likey Rene since it's in the context of outer space.
        • I say that's much more of a stretch. When TBC aren't making references to specific people, they're usually referencing musicians. There's extremely little to link "Proud Anselmo" to a Disney animator - much more likely for Rene Anselmo (context) and Phil Anselmo (musician precedent).
  • A Thought occours to me. If the above fun fact is true (the one about Satrianis refering to Joe Satriani), then Anselmo = Phil Anselmo. We've got to remember this is Strong Bad's Space Program, and he's much more likley to name cool things after guitar heros than businessmen. It also agress with his taste for the Limozeen in Space cartoon; rock stars in space. Now I propsed this fun fact and even though it's getting support I think it's only fair, for accuracy, to consider this agrument.
  • There's nothing stopping both this and the Phil Anselmo reference from being on the page - it's two completely separate things it could be, not the wide variety of similar things that TTATOT applies to.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. JesseLangham
  2. — talk Bubsty edits
  3. KieferSkunk
  4. KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  5. Sharp
  6. Watersoup
  7. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  8. MegamanEXE
  9. AbdiViklas
  10. Spell4yr
  11. DorianGray
  12. Danbri28
  13. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘
  14. — Lapper (talk)
  15. I R F
  16. phlip TC
  17. Trey56
  18. ♥ teeeffoh!
  19. CATS
  20. NightofTheLivingEric
  1. ISlayedTheKerrek
  2. Histrion
  3. Mycroft Holmes
  4. James Craven
  5. THE SMOKING MONKEY

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More Grilled and Cheesy Than You

The obsession with grilled cheese sandwiches seen in this email may be a reference to The Sims 2 Nightlife, where one of the available aspirations is the "Grilled Cheese Aspiration"

From: space program
Posted on: 19:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Not the most common of loved foods.
  • The Sims also includes hot 60s-style girls.

Arguments against:

  • Severe stretch.
  • Coincidence.
  • There is not enough evidence to prove if this fact is true. The 'toon does not mention aspirations, nor the game itself.
  • Grilled cheese sandwiches are a more commonly loved food than you might think.

Additional comments:

  • This fact has been added to STUFF before been added to the article.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — talk Bubsty edits
  2. Sharp
  3. – The Chort
  4. Alcnolien
  5. Ppk01
  6. KieferSkunk
  7. I R F
  8. Spell4yr
  9. DorianGray
  10. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  11. KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  12. Jay (Gobble)
  13. Watersoup
  14. JesseLangham
  15. AbdiViklas
  16. Danbri28
  17. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  18. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘
  19. — Lapper (talk)
  20. ♥ teeeffoh!
  21. phlip TC
  22. Trey56

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The space army

Strong Bad has the military-esque rank of "First Lieuteneral", but NASA (which SBASAF mirrors) is a civillian organization.

From: space program
Posted on: 15:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • NASA doesn't have either Lieutenants or Generals.

Arguments against:

  • Astronauts in the early space program were selected from military test pilots. They retained their rank and service affiliation (e.g. Col. John Glenn, USMC; Capt. Jim Lovell, USN).
  • From www.nasa.gov: "NASA selects two kinds of astronauts for space flights: pilot astronauts and mission specialist astronauts. Pilot astronauts command and pilot shuttles. Most pilot astronauts are test pilots from the United States Air Force, Navy, or Marine Corps. They are paid according to their military rank."
    • The most recent space shuttle commander, Eileen Collins, was a colonel in the U.S. Air Force.
    • The most recent space shuttle pilot, James M. Kelly, was a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Air Force.
  • NASA is a civilian organisation but the fact that Strong Bad has a military-esque rank does not in itself determine whether SBASAF is a military or civilian organisation. It is just that the word "but" in the suggestion is misleading.

Additional comments:

  • Added here rather than the page - I'm not sure if this is noteworthy.
  • Either way, this fact really doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps a revision is in order?
    • The first argument for is patently false. Since this whole item is based on the reasoning in that argument, it has serious flaws and cannot be on the page without some revision, if at all.
  • Despite the obvious reference to NASA, this email is much more a parody of Star Trek and other similar sci-fi series/movies, in which the main characters have military ranks (usually based on the Navy).
  • A large part of the email also parodies military recruitment and educational filmstrips from the 50s and 60s. As the space race was getting underway, NASA engaged in quite a bit of this sort of propaganda, which in and of itself was regarded by many as a tool of the military. NASA has in many ways retained the perception that it is closely tied to the military, even if it isn't a military organization directly.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Mycroft Holmes
  2. — talk Bubsty edits
  3. ISlayedTheKerrek
  4. — It's dot com
  5. DorianGray
  6. Trey56
  7. — Lapper (talk)
  8. EASports
  9. —THE PAPER PREEEOW
  10. Watersoup
  11. marsh.gif marsh.gifFluffityPuffity (talkie)
  12. Spell4yr
  13. I R F
  14. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  15. Heimstern Läufer
  16. — User:ACupOfCoffee@
  17. KieferSkunk
  18. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  19. KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  20. phlip TC

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