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-	__FORCETOC__	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	== Suggestion ==	+	== sbemail templates ==
		+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	In the "Preferences" page, the user is prompted to offer their "Nickname". I know of at least one example where a user has thought this meant "put whatever you like here". But of course we expect that what's put in "Nickname" will be the same as or very close to the user's username. Any chance we can reword that so new users will know how to create [[HRWiki:Signature|policy-compliant]] signatures? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	:I don't know, I've never minded users going by a name other than their username as long as they're consistent about it and the "nickname" isn't taken. However, that doesn't mean I necessarily encourage doing that, because it can get confusing at times — especially for us RecentChanges junkies. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Well, we have asked people to change their nicks before, because they were either offensive or something like MattChapman. I think it's a good idea to give a few hints as to what's acceptable and encouraged.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I remember back when I joined, I thought that "Nickname" was simply for "What shall we address you by other than your user name?". Perhaps the code can be altered to say "[[Help:Signature|Signature]]" or something of the like. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::At 'Kipedia it ''does'' already say "Signature" rather than nickname, and this seems to be a lot more logical to me. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::I would also prefer it to say "Signature". When I was young it caused me to experience confusion when typing four tildes created "Salty" rather than "Lappy 486" (my old username). I thought it just added it to some type of profile users have like on a forum. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Template help! ==	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
		+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	I am trying to make two templates for my site [psupedia.org] (looks like a combination of  the H*R Wiki and the English Wiki) but I can't get them to stand side-by-side. Whenever I try to do them, they merge together in a big ugly mess. Can someone please help me out that ? : )	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	<nowiki>{|style="border-spacing:2px;margin:2px 2px"	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	|style="width:0%;border:2px solid #ACE1AF;background-color:#f5fffa;vertical-align:top;color:#000"|	+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	{|width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5fffa"	+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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-	|style="color:#000"|'''Remember: ''[[News|All registered users can edit the news]]!'''''	+
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-	|style="color:#000"|The PSUP	+
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		+	== Songs archive ==
-	{|style="border-spacing:2px;margin:2px 2px"	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	|style="width:0%;border:2px solid #ADD8E6;background-color:#f5faff;vertical-align:top;color:#000"|	+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	{|width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5faff"	+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	! [[Image:Featured Articles headliner.PNG]]	+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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-	If you would like to, you can post it in [http://psupedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:SAsim my talk page] or this IP's one if you are willing to help, it might be easier on my site because the images I have in the code are enabled and I don't think this site would like having that. I expect you guys are very good with coding and you could finish it up soon, because my neck is probably on the line with the site admin there! hehe. [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 17:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:Upon first glance, it appears you've forgotten to close all four of your "tables", and that they are all nested within each other, creating a big mess. I'd recommend checking out [[Help:Table]] for information on how to use tables properly. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	:Thanks Lapper, wish I asked sooner. :P Also sorry if I ruined the page a little, my other edit make the width larger than it should be. [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 17:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	::It's fine, I've broken it down so that it doesn't overflow. And you're very welcome. Good luck. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	:::Ugh, I tried it again using the help guide and your advice but it's still merging. I closed the tables and I tried variations to replace the '!'s with '|'s and '|+'. I tried a lot of variations and it still isn't changing. :( [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 18:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	::::[[User:Lapper#User Quotes|Drop me a line]] around 21:00 utc. We'll work it out together. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	==Halloween skin cont'd==	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	''Note: continued from [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 15#Halloween skin]]''	+
-	Well, given that [[coloring]] is not a pre-Halloween toon, changing the skin is a little less urgent. We don't have to put the skin up for a couple more days, unless you guys + Dot com are ready to go. And from what's written on the wiki, some things are not entirely agreed upon yet. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:I'm agreed on whatever you want to do. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::Punkin stencil rotation in the upper right corner? Official site link logo change to uncarved pumpakin? We will use [[:Image:Wikiween.png]] (sorry you didn't see that, FireBird). The orange and gray main page tables look awesome. Do we have our spooky forest silhouette? Is Dot com ready to go when we are ready (I think I know the answer)? Is All On? Hafta go bafroom? =3? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Well, they just released a [[Malloween Commercial|Malloween]] Podstar, so I guess they're all up in the Halloween season. Why aren't we? D= --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	== Canada $$ ==	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	Could someone please send TBC an email about quotes in CAD not USD. I would but my email is down rright now so thanks	+	=== Still Slow ===
-	:Why the urgency? Oh, for the Canadian Decemberween sale? You can [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=1+USD+%3D+%3F+CAD&btnG=Search use] Google or another website to convert USD to CAD. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)	+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	==subtitles==	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	The [[HRwiki:Subtitles|subtitles]] project has become very big, and I think that it deserves it's own link on the main page, as it's actually pretty hard to find otherwise.  - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:It's currently linked from [[HRWiki:The Stick]], and there are links to the subtitles scripts on every toon article (on the left hand side, under the "external links" box). But most people will probably not have noticed this. I don't know how it would fit on the main page, though.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I was thinking under Miscellany...- {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::The main page is generally for Homestar-only content. The Stick is for Wiki and community created content. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::I'd really like to have some kind of "Did you know?" message available to the public informing them of the use of subtitles, once the project is mostly complete & well checked. Otherwise, not many people are going to notice or benefit from your hard work. This is definitely worth main page inclusion, but it should be noted in a novel yet appropriate way. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I just read this and I think that's a ''Great'' idea BazookaJoe.  A "did you know?" could help inform people about wiki-related things that might otherwise go un-noticed for quite sometime... things some people might never know of who don't use the wiki often.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Matt's Birthday coming up ==	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	What are we planning on doing for Matt's birthday (11/1).  It's a week or so away and I think it would be neat if we did something so that we all can be involved. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 09:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
-	:That would be cool &mdash; I can't think of anything; any ideas? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 10:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	::I was thinking about making up a huge card and have everyone submit a message by jpg or png to a central person such as JoeyDay, Tom, or It's dot com.  Then have that person compile all the meassages and take it to a Kinkos and have them print it on a large poster board and then mail it to them. I would be glad to contribute via paypal to the cost of printing and mailing this card and I think others would too. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:::The forum guys [[Forum:5751|did that last year]]... they just emailed it to him, I think. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::I never got to sign that card. It sounded like a good idea, though. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Email is okay, but I think it would neat to snail mail a card this year. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Well, we'd better hurry, then, whatever it is. :( &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	[[Image:Matt's card.png|thumb|Idea]]	+
-	:::::::I was thinking about something like this &rarr;	+
-	:::::::I think whoever lives the closest to GA should be the one to mail to allow for the shortest postal delivery time (although I can do it if no one else...I live in VA) {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	That sounds good if you are willing to get it fancy printed and a-spensive mailed. Or someone else can still volunteer. I think, as a suggestion, people should include their location, parts of real name, nickname, and an optional note, like this:<br />	+
-	::''(Note)''	+
-	:''Cort "BazookaJoe" S.''	+
-	::''Michigan''	+
-	&mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:This does sound like something that would be better suited to be discussed on Forum though... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I agree with Phlip.  This really isn't something that has to do with collecting and organizing information about Homestar Runner, it's more of a community activity type thing.  Someone want to start a thread there and post the link here?&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	:::Except that this would be something that would come from the wiki community, not the forum community.  If it was on the forum regular wiki users such as myself would not see it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::Phlip, Tom, I don't agree with you. The forum and wiki communities are different. I'm not part of the forum as well as some forumers not part of the wiki. I would love to sign a message from the '''wiki''' people, as I missed the one from last year. I R F: You have my full support. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I'm agreeing with E.L. Cool, here; I don't have an account on the forum, and besides, this is an HRWiki proposal, not an HRWikiForum one. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Agree. This is a wiki birthday card. The forumers did their own card last year. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	In order to reduce recent changes flooding, it would probably be a good idea for all those who wish to send Matt a happy birthday to e-mail the designated card-maker. The card maker will update the image with well-wishes and signatures once he or she receives a good amount of e-mails. In order not to leave some semi-active wiki users in the dust, I suggest we post a advisory on [[Template:recentchangesnotice]]. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:I'd be willing to volunteer to make the graphic, but if we do choose to go snail-mail I'm not certainly sending it from here... it's probably too late to send it by snail mail anyway if we want it to arrive in time... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 20:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I'd be willing to print it out and mail it.  If we print it out and have it priority mailed by Saturday (10/28) morning, that should be enough time, right? Also, I do live in Illinois, so it may be better if someone closer does it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::If it gets dropped into First Class mail a couple of states away on early Monday morning, it could possibly make it to Decatur by Nov 1 if we are lucky. Otherwise it would be Nov 2. Or, somebody from any state could shed a few extra dollars, send it through Priority Mail, and have it make it by Nov 1 for sure. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::With Priority Mail, I think we should send it out on Saturday at the latest.  With Express Mail, we could get away with Monday (although that's very expensive). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Edit conflicted: Oh wait, they would have to Priority it on Saturday in order to be 100% sure that it will make it by Wednesday. I think it's pretty likely to make it by Wednesday if someone in a nearby state sends it Priority early Monday morning. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::That's true (for some reason I was thinking that Nov. 1 was on Tuesday).  And mailing it on Monday will give more time for us to gather enough signatures to fill up the page.  Well, Virginia's pretty close to Georgia &mdash; what do you think Invisible Robot Fish? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Sure, if no one else is closer I can send it on monday.  I will go to the store tomorrow and check out shipping and display options.  I have both a paypal account and a UPS account so I could send it out from work on Monday easy.  The more I was thinking about this, the more low-tech I am thinking.  I was think about buying some poster board, perhaps making it look like the one from [[caffeine]] and print out all of your sigs and glue them on the board. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	We should start spreading the word and collecting signatures soon. There are only so many days left. I suggest we use BazookaJoe's template for the signatures. IRF, as the card maker, you would be the best person to collect the sigs. Would you prefer to get them by email or on your talk page? Are you planning to print them out in colour or black and white? Should we have a rough guideline about the size of the signatures? (oh, still so many questions){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Color is fine. If you just want to sign via text, use my [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish|talk page]].  If you have a graphic or image for your sig, post your link on my talk page but please adhear to the [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image use policiy]]. Size doesn't matter because I will size them to all fit. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::I'd Like to sign it--[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	This is a little embarassing to admit so late, but I don't know Matt's mailing address ** blushes **. I think JoeyDay knows it (since he got a letter from them), but I don't see him on that often.  Is this info available anywhere? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	:I'm sending you an email. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)	+	Yours truly,
-	::Please re-send it.  I just updated my email address in preferences because I can't check my personal email account at work. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)	+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	:::Re-sent'd. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Little thing that's bugging me: ==	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	Can someone remove the " (English)" from the [[Wikipedia:OpenSearch|OpenSearch]] description of the search engine? I understand why it would be useful at a multi-lingual Wiki like Wikipedia, but it seems a bit unnecessary for this site... --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 22:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	== Whoa skin ==	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	This skin is awexome and all, who made it? But it's hurting my eyes SO MUCH! Could we also possibly have a Decemberween skin too? --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 10:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	:Pretty cool, huh?  The discussion and people involved can be found [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 15#Halloween skin|here]] and [[Talk:Main Page#Halloween skin cont.27d|here]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 10:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	::How about a D'ween logo a little like this:[[:Image:Dween wiki.PNG]] {{unsigned|Marvelrulez|14:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)}}	+
-		+
-	:::That's a nifty idea, but let's just enjoy H'ween today. We can worry about D'ween when we get closer to it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::Not to off-topic, but I ''love'' Strong Bad as the Chiquita Banana lady... http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::For the last time, he's Carmen freakin' Miranda! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Shouldn't we take it down now?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 23:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::I think the agreed time to deactivate it was the 3rd. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::::::::Oh. I'm dumb.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 20:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	We should totally make the Halloween thing a skin in the preferences. --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 00:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Or feel free to steal it from my Monobook. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-		+
-	==Update 10/27==	+
-		+
-	There is a new DVD out. It's called "Everything Else: Volume 2". [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 20:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Inside References? ==	+
-		+
-	This may sound like a stupid question, but what are inside references?  Is it a list of fourth wall breaks?	+
-		+
-	[[User:Cheddar Cheesia|Cheddar Cheesia]] 21:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:An Inside Reference is when a toon makes a clear reference to a previous Homestar Runner cartoon.  See [[HRWiki:Standards#Inside References]].&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::In contrast, a [[Fourth Wall Breaks|fourth wall break]] can be summarized to mean when a character acknowledges that they are not real but just a character.  They are not merely interacting with each other; they know that they are being watched by us. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Thanks for clearing that up!	+
-		+
-	[[User:Cheddar Cheesia|Cheddar Cheesia]] 19:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== HRWiki ==	+
-		+
-	I have not been here in a while, what happened to the old main page? The one from about one and a half years ago. [[User:65.6.55.61|65.6.55.61]] 03:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:Well, the Main Page has been redesigned twice in the past year and a half. You can sort through the history to find the changes, I suppose. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:Hi, nice to have you back! We have quite a life story at [[HRWiki:A History]]. I think the main page redesign(s) are in there somewhere... &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:By the way, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=86323 this] is about what the main page looked like a year and a half ago, before the redesign to approximately what we have now. The Homestar and Strong Bad backgrounds are different than they were. They used to look like [[:Image:Main Page Spring 2006.png|this]]. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Stupid Coincidence Magazine ==	+
-		+
-	I for one think that TBC looks on goof and glitch section after each toon is released.  I have been noticing each week that not long after we post a mis-spelling, it is promptly corrected.  I wonder if it would be possible to check the IP addresses that access the site from the time of the of goof, to the time of the correction on the homestarrunner site and find an IP address that comes from Atlanta, GA. That might help confirm that the TBC use or humble site weekly rather than just once in awhile like they mentioned in various interviews and commentary. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:According to our [[HRWiki:Privacy_policy#Policy_on_release_of_data_derived_from_page_logs|Privacy policy]] we aren't allowed to extract an IP, unless it's for one of the reasons stated in the policy. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::Such a search would not be practical and would probably yield ambiguous results. You've gotta take into account the sheer amount of traffic our site has. Between the time that those goofs were <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=4_branches&diff=384623&oldid=384621 first reported]</span> and when they were <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=4_branches&diff=384841&oldid=384833 confirmed fixed]</span>, there were 219,134 server hits. Of those, about 7,380 more or less directly related to the [[4 branches]] page, and comprised 2,338 unique IPs&mdash;more than I'd want to search through, especially because there would surely be false positives from Atlanta-area fans. That's not to say I don't think TBC regularly use us as a resource. I'm pretty sure they do. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::: Their comments about the Visor Robot on the last DVD should say as much. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Too bad, 'cause if we could have determined their IP address, we'd have been one step closer to harnessing the unbridled energy of their brain waves &mdash; Muahahaha. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::Also, here's specific confirmation that they have (at least in the past) found out goofs from the wiki: [[animal#Goofs]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::You don't have to search IP addresses to confirm they use this site.  We found evidence that one of the ways they add images to toons is most likely a Google image search, the same thing I'd use.  Use your common sense.  If YOU were making Homestar toons, wouldn't you go to the online encyclopedia that will have all mistakes pointed out to you after the fact with-in a few hours?  Of course you would.  Then you'd go fix 'em up and everything is fine.  We save them the time of proofreading their toons over too much.  We help them catch minor flaws in the toons.  Probably, they use it more than before... which is why a lot of older toons mistakes stay uh... mistook.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I'd just love to know when and how they found us. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-		+
-	:::::::It's quite possibly they have a site tracker that can tell them where the majority of traffic to their site comes from.  And a lot probably comes from here.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::::::But that wasn't the point of what IRF and Dorian said. Yes, TBC ''probably'' use our site every week, and yes they ''probably'' found us by looking at incoming links, but that's not the same as verifying it using an IP address, or knowing the exact details of when they first discovered us. Remember the "holy crap, look at this!" feeling you got when you first found HRWiki? I for one want to know the whens, wheres, hows, and whys of when TBC first saw us. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::The 2000+ list would go down if you cross-referenced them against other toons and when the errors were corrected, but after thinking about it, I agree that there would be too many false positives. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==[[HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_2#New_logo|noclip's logo.]]==	+
-		+
-	I like it. Can we add it to the logo page? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 23:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:I suppose so. Welcome back by the way. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::I'm not back but, hey! Someone noticed! :D {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 03:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==Update==	+
-	There's an update for a Videlectrix T-Shirt. --[[User:205.206.196.178|205.206.196.178]] 01:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Thanks for the heads-up. Funny thing, you posted this the same minute that I updated the Main Page. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== I need some help ==	+
-		+
-	I'll be leaving on a holiday soon, and i need to have a message on the top of my page saying that, like a tab, You know what i mean right?	+
-		+
-	[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 06:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:Have you considered ==Header 2==? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==featured article==	+
-		+
-	Why's it say "the 4Tst (pronounced "firty-tirst")"? That's clearly fourty-tirst - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 10:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Because that's how TBC spelled it and how Matt pronounced it. Watch the toon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Check the commentary and you get some ambiguity. My solution, I've linked 4Tst to the [[Tooty-two]] page where I put the pronunciation note. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::To be honest, I misread firty as fifty. I'd probably still write it with the "ou" or possibly an "e". - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 14:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::I've always spelled it "firty-tirst", "ferty-tirst", and "ferty-terst", interchangably. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Again, I fall back to my "we document TBC's artistic output before their analysis of their own artistic output" credo. Matt's using a different pronunciation in the commentary, while notable, carries less weight than how it was actually pronounced in the toon. The FA summary therefore correctly uses "firty". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I was going to make an edit similar to yours, Qermaq, on Tooty-two. But I can see you already did. And with a snake on your head. That sounds re-son-able. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==Did you know?==	+
-	Wikipedia has this kinda thing, and we should too! Only not with new articles. Just random tidbits of information for visitors. (Like "Did you know that [[Pom Pom]] was the first character TBC [[First Flash|animated in Flash]]?") And it could be a weekly thing, like Featured Article. I have no idea where we would put it, though. Does this sound like a good idea? --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I think the idea has merit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I don't know, since we don't have inside information, we can't really do interesting things like "Did you know [[Strong Sad]] had a 103-degree fever while preforming the musical number 'Singing in the Dump'?" &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::We think we could do it all right. Pull up a good, random fact from the Trivia section et cetera. There should be good n' plenty of those. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Count my vote in if there is a vote. [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 07:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::It'd be a great place for all those appearances facts. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	:::::Could be nice. Prepare to make a page for deciding the trivia, proposing it and archiving it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::We could build a large trivia database compiled from the fun facts of each toon and then have the wiki pull up a random one.  I have been looking for a project to do for some time, so I'd love to be part of the grunt work! ...pick me, pick me. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	You could just create a random PHP script which loads a text file. IF you're too lazy to make one, get [http://passepartout.peterkerl.de/downloads.phtml Citagen-Quote Generator] and incorperate it into the Main Page server-wize. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 21:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I that IRF meant that he would make a huge batch of trivia, and manually put a new one every week. A random one each time someone visits the main page would probably strain the server and lose it's touch.  I don't think changing it by hand would be such a chore. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::This was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up&oldid=76449 originally considered] when JoeyDay designed the early version of the current main page layout. I could see it working now, especially if we just throw random Fun Facts in there from toon pages much of the time. I think it's got plenty of material and potential. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::We seem to have a large cornucopia of trivia facts at the ready for this kind of thing. It seems fun and cute, so I say let's try it! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|<span style="color: #800080;">''Brightstar Shiner''</span>]] 02:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-	I have a list of some if you need some to get started. Did you know...	+
-	*[[Pom Pom]] was the first character TBC [[First Flash|animated in Flash]]?	+
-	*[[Homestar Runner]] was actually the second character TBC [[Second Flash|animated in Flash]]?	+
-	*[[1-Up]]'s name has never actually been said by a character? <small>(The cutscenes in Stinkoman don't count, by the way. I do need confirmation for this, though.)</small>	+
-	*[[Strong Bad]] has actually checked 189 [[Strong Bad Email|emails]]? <small>(Of course, someone would have to update this whenever an email came out...)</small>	+
-	That's all I could think of. --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 14:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== New logo ==	+
-		+
-	Whoa. Awexome. It blinks too. Just thought I'd say. Am I the only one?	+
-		+
-	:Nope. But we're supposed to hold off discussion till december 9, so we have time to get used to it. See [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]. :) - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::I didn't get the memo, but sorry about that. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 21:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Wow. That thang is nice! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Print-ables ==	+
-		+
-	Hi! I have a suggestion...Could we make a page about things that can be printed out from homestarrunner.com, (for example, the "Strong Mad has a Posse" stickers and the "Rad Rad Robotank" stencil). Like, where to find them and stuff...(sorry if this's a stupid idea...it's kinda sounding more and more idiotic as I keep typing, but I began this subject thinking that it was such a great idea...I'll stop now)--[[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 01:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I actually like this idea, Kai lyn. Feel free to '''be bold''' and make it yourself. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 01:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I personally see potential in that page. It's something I see useful in the future for readers '''and''' users. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Cool! I'm glad I had an idea that was... well, cool! I've made it! It's called [[Printables]], and I've already had help with it! Just one question though (and I also asked this on my Talk page as well), is it orphaned? Like, how does it fit in with the rest of this Wiki? Is it in the downloads section?[[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 04:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Quote of the Week ==	+
-		+
-	Will someone (an admin, I'm guessing) please change "this" to "that" in the "well folks you know what that means now I'll do a dance" quote on the front page? It's just annoying me, the incorrect wording and all. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 11:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Done and done {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:In the future, you can use [[Template:whatsnew]] to list and correct site updates. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== It bounces! ==	+
-		+
-	Odd. When I move my mouse over the bar near the top-right corner that says that "log in/create account" stuff it moves all the way to the left. What gives? Also, the edit box has itty-bitty spaces between lines. Odd. -Color Printer, I can't log in for some reason.	+
-		+
-	== Update ==	+
-	*New Quote Of The Week, Weekly Fanstuff, and Sketchbook. --[[User:205.206.196.178|205.206.196.178]] 22:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Thanks. You win the prize for being first! &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== christmas update? ==	+
-		+
-	Aren't we supposed to update the wiki with a cool, christmas-in-the-homestar-universe-themed skin and logo?--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:We've never done it before, but then again, we've never done a halloween skin before, either. So I don't see why not. It's a matter of wiki-wide opinion. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Update ==	+
-	*There's a Store update for "Holiday Savings". --[[User:205.206.196.178|205.206.196.178]] 22:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Thanks. I just updated the Front Page section at the [[Store]] page earlier today, but I didn't see any changes except for them moving their item list order around (see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Store&diff=393135&oldid=389132 edit]). The latest changes are pretty well covered on the [[Main Page]], at the bottom of the "what's new" list. Is there anything that I'm missing? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VSA^┌_{datvsa center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)