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-	== Should knowledge base be capitalized? ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	I just noticed knowledge base was hyphenated in the welcome line and fixed that, but I also noticed it's capitalized in the browse box. I was going to be bold and lowercase it, but then I thought twice and figured I should ask. My inclination would be to uncapitalize it, but what do you think? &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 02:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== sbemail templates ==
-	: I was bold. ;) None of the other headings are title case; we should either change them all to title case or leave them all sentence case. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
-	::It's still hyphenated in the donation box. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Fixed.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	::::That one too, but I was referring to the main page bottom box, "If you've found this knowledge-base useful, please consider making a donation. Donations are used primarily to cover domain registration and hosting costs." {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Fixed. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Haha, just as a side mention... Removing that hyphen from the donations box and replacing it with a space makes the two-pixel difference on my display, pushing it from a one line donation mention to a two line. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== IRF the oracle ==	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
		+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	I just noticed that assuming TBC will keep with tradtion (not 100% since they didn't do a D'ween toon this year), the 150th email is scheduled at the same time as April fools.  Perhaps those two themes will be tied together in sight unparalleled since tape leg.  Me thinks next week will extra special in H*R land. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	== Woah. ==	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	The main page looks different to me did someone change it?	+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:Yeah, look two or three sections up. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	== Metadata in image description pages ==	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:comma_discovery.jpg&curid=2742&diff=290324&oldid=290316 This edit] just about takes the cake. I have absolutely no idea what [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] changed because I can't ''see'' it. The metadata is in the way. 1024x768 resolution tabs bar open in SeaMonkey and Modern Pinball skin applied. Any way we could fix this, or alternatively not display the metadata? I'm all for having to scroll left and right if it comes to that. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:This appears to be fixed in the next version of MediaWiki, or at the very least, with Wikipedia's current styling of the metadata.  We should look into the difference between how we currently style it and how they do.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	::You can see what they said by scrolling over the text and copying it to notepad. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:::Perhaps just putting <code>clear:both</code> under <code>table.diff</code> in [[Mediawiki:Monobook.css]] would do the trick? Which is to say that it would work, but I don't want to do it without knowing whether it would break anything. I doubt it would though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	::::I'm sorry, I thought we were looking at the actual description page and not the diff itself.  Phlip, that does work, but wouldn't we want to move the metadata down instead of the diff?&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:::::Sorry to "butt" in, but wouldn't it perhaps be more prudent to simply prevent the metadata from appearing at all? Perhaps we have no choice but to have it appear. I just question the need of displaying the specific model of digital camera that was used to take a photograph or superfluous details such as "exposure bias" or "maximum land aperture". Pardon me if I seem a bit overzealous. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 08:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::The date is usually interesting, at least. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::True, Thunderbird. But I question the accuracy when I see that you took [[:Image:Flashforward_TBC.JPG|this image]] more than three months prior to the event on 22 November 2005! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 21:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Yeah, that's just because I was too lazy to actually set the clock correctly on my camera. I'm sure TBC and affiliates are better about that kind of thing. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== 5 more articles!!! ==	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	5 more till we reach 1337 status and I want to congratulate the wiki with many combolations as to their h4x0r defense {{unsigned|24.182.200.111|20:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)}}	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	== Left-handedness ==	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	Homestar plays lute and bass left-handed. What's Her Face also plays bass left-handed. Gregor is left-handed in "Everyone is Different". Notable? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	:Hmmm... Homestar doesn't exactly even [[Lack of Visible Arms|have arms]] on the conventional sense. But yeah, interesting. As a side note, most Muppets are left handed. The puppeteer uses his right hand to operate the head while operating the arm rod with his left hand. But that doesn't really relate to anything here, just a comment about the prominence of left handed characters in general. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	::I think that Homestar and What's Her Face playing left-handed is just a minor mistake overlooked by TBC. And by the way, a better place for this kind of discussion is [[Category talk:Running Gags]] or [[Category talk:Inside Jokes]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	== Recent Changes RSS ==	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	Okay. I just got an RSS reader, and, where is the feed located at? I tried the url of the rss link at the left od RC, but it isn't working. Help, at all? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
		+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:Which RSS reader are you using, Bluebry? We use two different protocols for our feeds here, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss RSS] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=atom Atom]. Most readers support both protocols these days, but if you've only tried one protocol and it isn't working, you may have better luck with the other protocol. I may be able to help further once I know which reader you're using. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	::What is the point of viewing recent changes in RSS?  {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::That's a good question. I personally have never found it useful. It's probably used less for human consumption and more for other things like feeding recent changes to a maintenance bot, for instance, or having them show up in real time in a chat room. RSS is just a nice way of packaging the recent changes for use elsewhere. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::My reader is an expansion to Firefox, called Sidekik. I've tryed both RSS and Atom on it. Ima try a new RSS reader. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	== Watchlist ==	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	This is kinda wierd, but I'm sure somebody has an explanation;<br/>	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	<br/>	+	Yours truly,
-	I just went in to edit the items on my watchlist, and I found 2 pages listed that not only don't exist, but I did not put on my watchlist:	+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	* Briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs, Wayne Rooney thinks you're all freaking sick oddballs who ********** over George W. Bush in his underwear, plus $20,000	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	* Willy on Wheels on Wheels, on wheels	+
-	The second one thinks that this is just a type of vandalism. Is there any way to protect against it? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 03:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	:What must have heppened: some vandal moved a page you were watching to that name. Then it was deleted and recreated for any of a number of reasons. There's no one hacking into your Watchlist, rest assured - the hacking was done to the page you had set to watch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	::Right. If you're watching "Page A" and it gets moved to "Page B", then now you're automatically watching both the old name "Page A" and the new name "Page B". If a vandal moves "Page A" to "Page A ON WHEELS", you end up watching both of those pages too. Even after the visible damage is reverted and the extra page is deleted, "Page A ON WHEELS" will still show up in your full watchlist as a red link. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	::: Thanks. It turns off both were moves of this page itself. In the future, I'll just delete these links. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 03:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	== Why can't I edit the main page? ==	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	Well anyway, the "Bear Holding a Shark T-Shirt" link needs to be change on account of the reorganized store section. Could someone please change the link to "http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Store_T-Shirts#tshirt_bear-shark" Thanks! [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 06:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Done. BTW, when you need to change something in the "What's new" section of the Main Page, you actually need to edit [[Template:whatsnew]]. That's where the text in that part of the page is. You can't edit the Main Page because it's protected so that only sysops can edit it. We do this to prevent vandalism on the Main Page, our most visible page. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 06:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Thanks for the help and info. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 07:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::We've added this info to the standard [[:Template:welcome|welcome]] message. Hopefully that will help get the word out. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::Perhaps a little inconspicuous edit link in the what's new template wouldn't go astray? I've seen a few wikis where the main page is full of templates, and they often have an edit link on each one... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::We tried that once, and it just opened the door back up. Apparently it wasn't inconspicuous enough. I think enough people know about how to update it that we don't need to change anything. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== Interesting...What Does this Mean? ==	+
-		+
-	Last night, I way playing the Dancing Bubs game on H*R. Today I went on, and two of the songs weren't working. I checked, and the [[Secret_Pages#Music|swf files of the music]] had been deleted. Do you think that this could mean anything? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 15:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:[[Dancin' Bubs]] is working fine for me. Server may have just been having issues. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Yeah, [[Secret Pages]] tend to get low bandwidth and frequently appear to be deleted when they're not. For some reason, some of the songs in Dancin' Bubs are included in that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Those two songs seem to be 404 on occasion... without knowing technical details of TBC's hosting setup, it's difficult to know why. Though if I had to guess, I'd say that they might have two servers that they serve the files from, and the songs are missing on one... this could also explain why the <code>.exe</code> versions of [[take-a-break.exe]] and the [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver|screensavers]] don't always work, one of the servers could be configured differently to the other for <code>.exe</code> files. This is complete speculation, however, we know nothing about H*R.com's internal structure. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== WikkiTikkiTavi ==	+
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-	So... are we reverting to WikkiTikkiTavi permanently or temporarily? And can someone give us a specific reason why the change was made? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 05:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:The MediaWiki software was getting too complicated and difficult to maintain.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Yeah, Has Matt?, didn't you read the memo? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::I read the memo, but I was looking for a more specific cause. If it's some kind of secret we're not supposed to know, that's OK with me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 05:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	April Fools. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:I am afraid that you are incorrect, Salty.  This was planned out months before today, and it was pure coincidence that it happened today.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Pure coincidence? Rogue, everybody knows that the first of April is National Regrade Your Wiki day. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	How come Fanstuff is still running on MediaWiki? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 05:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:We haven't finished moving everything to the WikkiTikkiTavi version yet. Keep your pants on, Has Matt? :) {{User:FireBird/sig}} 05:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:In fact, it might be week or so before we can get to the Fanstuff. In the meantime, we plan on taking it offline in a day or two. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Nope, this is real, Salty. I saw them working on it a few days ago, and asked It's Dot Com about it, suspecting vandalism. He explained it all to me, and I support the decision fully. It's not as pretty, but if it works, and it's less of a drain on the server... -[[User:YK|YK]] 06:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Sorry to everyone for the lack of notice, but MediaWiki was getting so unweildy we decided to just go through with the regrade before really preparing the community. The admins and sysops have been discussing this for a few months in Da Basement (it's all been archived by now, but you'll find it there if you look). We decided to do this now for three reasons: (1) MediaWiki has way too many SQL tables. That was creating a lot of unnecessary overhead and it was really starting to tax the server. 'Tavi has a smaller database, so it should work better. (2) MediaWiki is really designed for multi-server load balancing systems like Wikipedia. After using it for over a year now we've become painfully aware just how kludgy MediaWiki is when it's running on a single server like ours. 'Tavi should be able to handle our single-server system much better. (3) Surprisingly, MediaWiki had no optimization of it's X32 page caching, which was really starting to eat up a lot of space on our server. 'Tavi recently rolled out better X45 page caching that looks to revolutionize the wiki market. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of other wikis switch to 'Tavi now that 'Tavi has stepped it up a notch. Again, sorry for the short notice, but we felt we had to do it now before MediaWiki crashed the server and caused unrecoverable data loss. If you have any more specific questions about the regrade, feel free to ask them here or on the [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]]. Cheers! &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 05:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:You guys see? this is why we need a New Server, from what i understand, we need more servers to be able to run on Media wiki. oi, we should have another fund raiser for another Server. man this Sux. --{{User:Choc-O-Lardiac_Arrest/sig}} 05:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::We're planning a pledge drive in May, but I don't think it's really a good use of funds to buy a second server when we don't get nearly enough traffic to need one. I think using 'Tavi will alleviate the problems we've been having for the foreseeable future. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 05:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::Yeah Choc-O, with this switch we should be able to eliminate enough Server stress to sell half of our server to the [http://tlh.wikipedia.org/wiki/ghItlh%27a%27 Klingons] or something. '''<tt>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#C90; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#C90; text-decoration:underline">&#354;&#614;&#371;&#951;&#599;&#601;&#345;&#222;&#236;&#612;&#598;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#C90; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]]</tt>''' 08:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::Can we at least change the interface back? --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 00:57, 1 Apr 2006 (PST)	+
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-	::::Nope, sorry. This is the only working interface we have on WikiTikkiTavi. We're currently working on extensions to make it look a little cleaner, but it may be a few months before they're ready. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	What day is it?  April 1st?  Really?  April fools day?  What a [[Stupid Coincidence Magazine|coincidence]].  {{User:DBK/sig}} 05:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	*cough* *cough* ''view source'' *cough* -- {{User:Soapergem/sig}} 07:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Sorry to sound like a party pooper, but I can't live on a wiki in this state. Until it eventually reverts back, I am denouncing my usership. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 09:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I'm not staying, either. I'ma live at the fanstuff, and when they go down, I go down with 'em. Seriously. {{User:Homfrog/sig}} 10:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:That's too bad guys. Us sysops discussed this a few days ago, and I'm fully supportive of this move. We can still do everything he did before, the inconvenience isn't that bad, is it? It might seem a little awkward at first, but in a few days it should be natural. Give the Tavi a chance... this is still the same wiki. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::Wait, wait, wait. Are you staying that this is f'real f'ever? Dang! {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 12:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::Well, it'll take a little to get used to it, but there's nothing we can really do about it. I don't like this new style either, but it's supposed to run a little better. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 13:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::You mean this is real forever?! Ohhhh man! I hate this server or whatever it's called! No offense, but this isn't... I dunno. Aw... =( --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 13:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Blerg. This April Fools day is filled with crap for crap pranks. -- [[User:Color Printer|retnirP roloC]] 13:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Can I at least go back to a MediaWiki-esque environment through my monobook? My head REALLY hurts. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 13:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Well I guess I CAN live with it, but I'm not happy. I there any hope of it being non-mediocre again? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 14:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:I kind of like it this way. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 14:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I didn't think it was 'Tavi either, I just want it to look like Mediawiki for the time being. (Also, [[MediaWiki:monobook.css]]. Notice ''MediaWiki:''.) {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 14:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:We simply moved the same files over to this interface. If we renamed them, we would have so much more work to do. This is WikkiTikkiTavi. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:To Lapper: Hello Lapper. I am the Queen of England. All hail me. Now, ha ha, jokes over, my head hurts. We know it's MediaWiki. You can't cover it up. (And no, I'm not royalty) {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 14:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I'm not saying Tavi is a bad thing. It's just so... Mediocre. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 14:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:'''EDIT CONFLICT:'''If you want a MonoBook like interface, go to your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] and change your skin setting to Classic. It seems only the MonoBook skin has been modified, and most of the rest have been deltaco'd. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	So why did you guys have to do this without telling us? I don't see a single thing in Da Basement. Also, what horrible server crap are you guys talking about?! I have ''never'' seen a problem with mediawiki. Never. It's always been perfect. Do you mind telling us why the crap we're stuck here forever when the bad stuff isn't even seeable to us?! We're here forever! This sucks muchly! An hod how do I change it to mediawiki in my preferences!? &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 14:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:I thaught it was for april fools. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::First of all, if we were to discuss it, we would have way too many issues with user threats, oppositions, and other matters. We kept it private and carried it out swiftly for your comfort. And no, The thing, this is not a joke. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::'''Seriously:''' The mediocre layout should hopefully be at least partially fixed by July. Or June if we're lucky. The big admins are working on it, so just sit back, relax, and try to adapt. And how would you know how well the server is? You've never had to work on it, pay for it, maintain it... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />	+
-	::'''The Thing:''' That's just nonsense. Are you trying to make some [[interview|sense]]? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	This joke isn't funny, it's sick, and sad. I spent two hours crying because I love the wiki. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 14:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Yeah. My fake detention slip for my brother was funny, but DEFINATLY not this. This is not really cruel but is unusual. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 14:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	In other strange and unbelievable news, Tom has a sig. ;) &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 14:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::Now ''that'' is the joke you all are looking for today. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::Oh wait. That's Thunderbird, the wily sysop. <small>I'm watching you, Thunderbird....</small> &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 14:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Jay/Thunderbird/Tom aren't the only ones with sig issues today. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::::Oh really. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 15:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Yeah, what Seriously said. This sucks. is this some kinda bad joke?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 15:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:No joke here, Jnelson09. Just read Joey's explanation a-ways up. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:It is not a joke. The admins just decided to be cruel and to it on a day ''supposed'' to be for celebration. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 15:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::We're not cruel, Seriously. Sorry to ruin your holiday. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::We would never want to be ''too cruel'', though. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Yeah, MediaWiki consumes a lot of resources. WikkiTikkiTavi is better than no Wiki, right? ~ [[User:Sephy|Sephy]] 15:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Absolutely. Keep a positive outlook on WikkiTikkiTavi, and before you know it, you won't even miss MediaWiki. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	Hey! Maybe this'll be kinda fun for the users who weren't here for the original wiki! This is kinda awesome. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 15:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	This wiki is bland and boring... At least put a backround up like the old one. It is also harder to navigate through the pages and I liked it better when it was in MediaWiki! This version is straying from the fermilliar Wikipedia format and appearance. Is it an april fools joke or what? --[[User:Finest1|Finest1]] 15:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Is it possible to put a link to [[Special:Random]] in the, um... top...bar? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I tried changing the skin to something a little less dull and most of the skins don't work! The classic one is kind of messed up because the HR picture at the top is a bit big and blocking some text and there is no search feild ether! I screwd up the skin stuff when I was tring to change to one and It would give me this error page if i tried to go any where. I needed to clear my cookies to reset it! I want MediaWiki back! If it stays this way, then you wont see much of me any more! and I will tell other people to not use it too!(Finest1) --[[User:68.82.251.100|68.82.251.100]] 16:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I think that it is running even more glitcher than MediaWiki(which was hardly glitchy at all) I keep getting all these faitle errors! ADMINS: please reset the account: Finest1!(me)--[[User:68.82.251.100|68.82.251.100]] 16:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	It's for the sake of the server right now. We are working on ironing out the glitches. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Why is TikkiTavi bad? Is it just because it looks different? It works fine for me. If you trying switching to the Blue cologne skin, you may like the appearance more. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 16:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	To be honest with you guys, this TikkiTavi thingy is really confusing for me to work with. I can't really get used to it. In the Media Wiki format, everything was easy to see and understand. With TikkiTavi, the links are all over the place, the colors are different, and the layout is confusing. Everything is just scattered. Can't we just revert to the way that we all know and love?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 16:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I was examinig this and i found out that the real tavi looks like this, but the pages are different, this is only a skin for MediaWiki. (Or corse(sic) that I can be wrong, but mostly not.) -[[User:20eric06|20eric06]] 16:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Maybe someone could write some cascading style sheet code to organize the links some. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 16:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	This is [[User:The Chort|The Chort]]. Unfortunatly, I accidently selected a skin in the preferences menu that doesn't work. As a result, I can't log in on my user name. Becuase it can't load the skin, all I get is an error message: '''Fatal error:''' Class skinchick: Cannot inherit from undefined class skintemplate in '''/home/hrwiki/public_html/skins/Chick.php''' on line '''21'''. At least I can edit anonomously. If this is an April Fools joke, than it should be OK. When reverts back to normal tomorrow, I can change back to normal from my preferences menu. But if this is for real (which I refuse to believe), then I guess I'll be leaving. I can't work on here, annonumously on a horrendous layout. [[User:81.159.210.246|81.159.210.246]] 16:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Try copying this link, log in, and paste the link into the address bar. I'm not sure if this will work, but it should do. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 16:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br>'''The link is:''' http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=monobook	+
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-	::The Chort, I think it's normal for bugs to happen when a big server move like this happens. We can only hope for the best, and hope the sysops will work it out. I'm sure they will be able to. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I'm just praying that this is all some big April Fool's Day joke by the sysops.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:That's been said by countless users. But the thing is, it's not a joke. It just (stupidly) happened on Fool's day. It was just a stupid coincidence. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::This joke hilarious! I love it.  Two enthusiastic thumbs up!  oh and by the way...sysops don't bother reply saying its not a joke.  I was born but it wasn't yesterday.  Whoever thought this up gets a cupcake.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Notice how we've said that it wasn't a joke several times.<blockquote>I am afraid that you are incorrect, Salty.  This was planned out months before today, and it was pure coincidence that it happened today.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br><br>Nope, sorry. This is the only working interface we have on WikiTikkiTavi. We're currently working on extensions to make it look a little cleaner, but it may be a few months before they're ready. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br><br>No joke here, Jnelson09. Just read Joey's explanation a-ways up. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)</blockquote> This is real, Invisible Robot Fish. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::IRF, did you actually listen to what I just said? '''This is not a joke! This is permanent!''' &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::::I think it was a bit of "edit conflictitis."--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::::Whether or not it was, people need to understand the truth so we don't have to keep answering this question over over over over...&mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I don't know whether or not this is actually a joke (don't bite my head off here, anyone, I'm just a bit sceptical that they would make such a drastic change without saying anything), but those of us having a tough time adjusting to the new layout should switch to "Classic" skin on their preferences page.  It's a bit more like regular MediaWiki thank the default Tavi skin.  I hope this helped.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I think this is kinda fun.  I've always wondered what life in Ye Olde Wiki was like.  It also looks like 'tavi has made some improvements since whatever version is on [http://old.hrwiki.org/ old.hrwiki.org].  I do hope we can get the Main Page back to looking how it used to, though.  <span style="font-family: tw cen mt; font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Ed smildE|Ed smilde]]/[[User talk:Ed smildE|talk]]</span> 17:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Me too, ed.  It looks kinda weird to me...--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Not buying it, I will be vindicated by monday {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	To be honest with you guys, if it stays like this, I'm gonna leave the wiki.  I'm sorry, but it's just too hard to navigate.  I'll see you guys later.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I agree... I'd leave if this was real. but i think its a funny joke. i think its interesting that in the forum, posts that prove this is fake are getting deleted or changed. :) --[[User:Collin|Collin]] 18:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	I HOPE YOUR HAPPY! YOU SCREWED EVERYTHING! Sorry, I'm just disappointed that nobody actually bothered to tell us, at least then we could have been more prepeared. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 17:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== Keeping track ==	+
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-	I think we should  be logging which pages on the real  HR site remain right-side up,	+
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-	so far I've found the legal page a few pages in the museum but still looking {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:See [[April Fool's 2006#Remarks]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 17:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:The store is normal.  You should add that.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:: *POOF*, I've just gone back in time 13 hours and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=April_Fool%27s_2006&diff=298242&oldid=298241 added it]. And changed my name to Salty. But I changed it back. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== Please help me get back to the fanstuff! ==	+
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-	I was blocked for trolling, and I'm real real sorry!  I'm supposed to come back tommorow, but today's April Fools' Day, and Ekul won't give me a break!  Could someone please tell him I promise to be good and will never be mad ever again and to let me back on?	+
-	Also, please do not tell me I only have one day left, it's a special day today and the fanstuff has had some April Fools' Day features, and I must take part in this.  Thank you.	+
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-	Also, please respond.	+
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-	[[User:Chess Cheese|Chess Cheese]]	+
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-	:I don't see the name KingCheddar anywhere, man. If you were the IP address that we recently blocked, you deserve it. You were very vulgar. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 18:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Also, if you were that IP address, you should of at least logged in. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 18:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	I'm missing April Fools' Day!  I'm crying over here!  I've been blocked for days!  I've been punished enough!  Please help!  I logged in, but I'm still blocked!	+
-	[[User:Chess Cheese|Chess Cheese]]	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)