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=== Stuffin', muffin, puffin, and fact ===
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*Pac-Man is the only other example of such an occurence that I can think of.
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* The multiple-rhyming-names-and-one-outlier thing is not specific to Pac-Man.
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* There's nothing connecting this to Pac-Man beyond the coincidence stated. If anything, it's a parody of sitcoms such as "Friends" (not a reference to any specific one; that's just the most well-known such sitcom that I can think of.)
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* Naw, It's a world running gag.
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*Re: arg for: does [[Limozeen]] ring a bell?
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*It's a standard joke format &ndash; [[Wikipedia:Joke#Psychology of jokes|establish a pattern, and then break it]].
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* Re: fourth arg against: Not that I support this fact, but... Limozeen is Larry, Perry, Gary, and Mary. Now, if it was, say, Larry, Perry, Gary, and Ralph or something...
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** Wasn't quite my point, nitpicker...was talking about the rhyming part.
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***Oh, I know. But the deal is, the fun fact is referring to Pac-Man's ghosts, Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde/Sue (depending on the version). Limozeen's names don't follow that pattern... and why am I arguing about this? I declined it anyhow. Eep.
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**"Mary" doesn't really rhyme with the other three, anyway.
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***Yes it does. If anything, "Perry" is the one that's a bit off.
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****In this case, the question of which of the names work or don't work would depend on your regional accent.  You can't just argue it out.([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 14:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
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=== Eh! Steve Productions ===
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*Re first arg: Strong Bad checks email on his Lappy, not the typewriter.
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*Re first, second, and third args: Parody doesn't have to match ''exactly'' to be a reference. It merely needs to parallel, to evoke the feel of the parodied element.
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*There are other, similar references to real-world shows throughout the theme song. It only follows that this is a reference to something, and this is a rather unique and obvious candidate for that reference.
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*Strong Bad types on a laptop, instead of a typewriter like Cannell.
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*Cannell throws one piece of paper, while Strong Bad throws many.
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**Strong Bad's paper scatters randomly.
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*Strong Bad's paper does not turn into a logo.
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*Not everything he does is a reference to something.
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*It is part of the opening, not the closing.
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*More reminiscent of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WEmXeDQ7Hg Mary Tyler Moore's hat].
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*It's not the last clip shown, after throwing the papers Strong Bad is shown in a tank.
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*[http://youtube.com/watch?v=obaef1NqbeY&mode=related&search= Here's] a video of Cannell flinging the papers.
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*And [http://youtube.com/watch?v=bcGyG-1lSWI&search=television%20logos here's] a more recent one.
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*Is there another reasonable explanation for why he would be typing and throw paper?
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*The music during the above video clips and the types of shows at the end of which this logo appeared do tend to fit with the other real-world references spread throughout this toon.
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**Also, the "Strong Bad throwing the paper" clip appears as the song fades, somewhat similar to the Cannell logo.
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*The similarity is very clear.
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*[http://members.fortunecity.com/teamfx2000/20thCenturyFoxTV/cannell.htm Here's a detailed analysis of the logo.]
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**It looks like the one in the early years matches what Strong Bad does.
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*At the very least, there is obviously considerable debate regarding this Fun Fact, and if it passes I believe it should be reworded to denote that it "may be a reference", not that it is.
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**Agreed; fixed.
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***"May be"'s do not make good fun facts.
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****Usually that's right. Sometimes, however, ''reasonable'' speculation is appropriate.
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*I think it's more along the lines of [[Wikipedia:Keith Olbermann|Keith Olbermann]], who throws his notes into the air before the third commercial break on his show, [[Wikipedia:Countdown with Keith Olbermann|Countdown.]]
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**Or a parody of Angela Landsbury's intro in which she [http://youtube.com/watch?v=qT8b9uvA7Yg stacks] her notes neatly in a folder.
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* Strong Bad often shows that he doesn't know much about geography. This is no different.
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* He was just pronouncing the place name differently, like he always does, and commented that it sounded Mexican the way he had said it. It wasn't at all based on the stereotype.
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*What? steryotype on the geographic intelligence of Americans? TBC are americans. They wouldn't know anything about this steryotype. I sure haven't heard of it.
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**No, it's a pretty common stereotype. Just watch the Jay Walking segments of ''The Tonight Show'' with Jay Leno for some prime examples. Nevertheless, just about everyone knows Canada is up top and that "south of the border" is "down Mexico way".
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**As a non-American I can definitely vouch for there being a stereotype of Americans not knowing the geography of anywhere that's not America. I don't understand why else Strong Bad would say it the way he did - the 'Rio' argument is a whole lot more obscure.
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***As an American, it would make more sence that the "Rio" be stressed and then the south of the border comment be made. Strongbad has made enough comments about other countries' culture to assume he would know a little about the geography as well. TBC live in the southern part of America, so they probably hear more about the Rio Grande than most non-Americans.
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***Well, he doesn't know much about the geography of the US either. And while there definitely is such a stereotype (a widely believed one, too), this mix-up is pure Strong Bad, doing what he does best.
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*This one's weak. I'm Canadian, I personally love the stereotype, I think it's pretty funny, but not only is this fact currently worded poorly, I don't think the joke needs to be explained. At most, perhaps a clarification Fun Fact, simply stating that Canada is actually north of the border, for those who actually fit the stereotype, and are further confused as to the actual location of Canada in relation to America.
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[edit] Stuffin', muffin, puffin, and fact

The names of the characters on Three Is 4 Tonite are a reference to the nicknames of the enemies of Pac-Man (The first three names rhyme and are 2 syllables while the final one is just one syllable).

From: theme song
Posted on: 22:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Pac-Man is the only other example of such an occurence that I can think of.

Arguments against:

  • The multiple-rhyming-names-and-one-outlier thing is not specific to Pac-Man.
  • There's nothing connecting this to Pac-Man beyond the coincidence stated. If anything, it's a parody of sitcoms such as "Friends" (not a reference to any specific one; that's just the most well-known such sitcom that I can think of.)
  • Naw, It's a world running gag.
  • Re: arg for: does Limozeen ring a bell?
  • It's a standard joke format – establish a pattern, and then break it.

Additional comments:

  • Re: fourth arg against: Not that I support this fact, but... Limozeen is Larry, Perry, Gary, and Mary. Now, if it was, say, Larry, Perry, Gary, and Ralph or something...
    • Wasn't quite my point, nitpicker...was talking about the rhyming part.
      • Oh, I know. But the deal is, the fun fact is referring to Pac-Man's ghosts, Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde/Sue (depending on the version). Limozeen's names don't follow that pattern... and why am I arguing about this? I declined it anyhow. Eep.
    • "Mary" doesn't really rhyme with the other three, anyway.
      • Yes it does. If anything, "Perry" is the one that's a bit off.
        • In this case, the question of which of the names work or don't work would depend on your regional accent. You can't just argue it out.(Some kind of scientist 14:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
  • Is this enough votes to close yet? I think it is quite clear that the verdict is "no".
    • Pretty soon: the general rule is to wait till there's a little closer to a 20 vote difference unless it's been three or four days.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Retromaniac
  2. Drippingyellowmadness CoolS.png talk
  1. Jay (Gobble)
  2.  Loafing
  3. DorianGray
  4. Trey56
  5. TheYellowDart—(t/c)
  6. Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing!
  7. —Shwoo
  8. Mycroft Holmes
  9. TotalSpaceshipGirl3
  10. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  11. EYanyo
  12. ISlayedTheKerrek
  13. Dangeresque, too?
  14. YKHi. I'm Ayjo!
  15. -Brightstar Shiner
  16. phlip TC
  17. Bluebry
  18. — It's dot com

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[edit] Eh! Steve Productions

Strong Bad's flinging the papers into the air as he types may be a reference to Stephen J. Cannell's closing logo.

From: theme song
Posted on: 18:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Re first arg: Strong Bad checks email on his Lappy, not the typewriter.
  • Re first, second, and third args: Parody doesn't have to match exactly to be a reference. It merely needs to parallel, to evoke the feel of the parodied element.
  • There are other, similar references to real-world shows throughout the theme song. It only follows that this is a reference to something, and this is a rather unique and obvious candidate for that reference.

Arguments against:

  • Strong Bad types on a laptop, instead of a typewriter like Cannell.
  • Cannell throws one piece of paper, while Strong Bad throws many.
    • Strong Bad's paper scatters randomly.
  • Strong Bad's paper does not turn into a logo.
  • Not everything he does is a reference to something.
  • It is part of the opening, not the closing.
  • More reminiscent of Mary Tyler Moore's hat.
  • It's not the last clip shown, after throwing the papers Strong Bad is shown in a tank.

Additional comments:

  • Here's a video of Cannell flinging the papers.
  • And here's a more recent one.
  • Is there another reasonable explanation for why he would be typing and throw paper?
  • The music during the above video clips and the types of shows at the end of which this logo appeared do tend to fit with the other real-world references spread throughout this toon.
    • Also, the "Strong Bad throwing the paper" clip appears as the song fades, somewhat similar to the Cannell logo.
  • The similarity is very clear.
  • Here's a detailed analysis of the logo.
    • It looks like the one in the early years matches what Strong Bad does.
  • At the very least, there is obviously considerable debate regarding this Fun Fact, and if it passes I believe it should be reworded to denote that it "may be a reference", not that it is.
    • Agreed; fixed.
      • "May be"'s do not make good fun facts.
        • Usually that's right. Sometimes, however, reasonable speculation is appropriate.
  • I think it's more along the lines of Keith Olbermann, who throws his notes into the air before the third commercial break on his show, Countdown.
    • Or a parody of Angela Landsbury's intro in which she stacks her notes neatly in a folder.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — It's dot com
  2. AnaVuk
  3. Lopolo42
  4. Trey56
  5. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  6. Zelinda
  7. Kmokmo
  8. Strongbad111
  9. The4swordImage:The4swordssigpicisbetterthanyours.PNG
  10. Zim Del Invasor
  11. Danny Lilithborne
  12. Sigmazero13
  13. Raised by Coffee Image:Rbcsig.png AAaAaaAaaAAa
  14. The Spainish Inquisition
  15. Raptor5ix-Image:Raptor5ixsiggy.png
  16. — Kilroy / talk
  17. The Lake Head
  1. Trogga
  2. Ppk01
  3. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  4. phlip TC
  5.  Loafing
  6. Brittany
  7. D2htornado
  8. Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing!
  9. ~ Laramie, Why? ~
  10. — Lapper (talk)
  11. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C
  12. ⇔Thunderbird⇔
  13. loradion
  14. Xifihas

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[edit] STUFF of the Border

Strong Bad's suggestion that this email represents "a little south of the border flavor" is a reference to the stereotype that many Americans are not very familiar with geography outside of their own country. Canada is, in fact, north of the United States.

From: theme song
Posted on: 19:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Not obvious to some.

Arguments against:

  • His joke seems more aimed at the fact that he stresses the "Rio" in "Ontario".
  • Most Americans know that Canada is north of the United States, stereotype or not.
  • Strong Bad often shows that he doesn't know much about geography. This is no different.
  • He was just pronouncing the place name differently, like he always does, and commented that it sounded Mexican the way he had said it. It wasn't at all based on the stereotype.

Additional comments:

  • What? steryotype on the geographic intelligence of Americans? TBC are americans. They wouldn't know anything about this steryotype. I sure haven't heard of it.
    • No, it's a pretty common stereotype. Just watch the Jay Walking segments of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno for some prime examples. Nevertheless, just about everyone knows Canada is up top and that "south of the border" is "down Mexico way".
    • As a non-American I can definitely vouch for there being a stereotype of Americans not knowing the geography of anywhere that's not America. I don't understand why else Strong Bad would say it the way he did - the 'Rio' argument is a whole lot more obscure.
      • As an American, it would make more sence that the "Rio" be stressed and then the south of the border comment be made. Strongbad has made enough comments about other countries' culture to assume he would know a little about the geography as well. TBC live in the southern part of America, so they probably hear more about the Rio Grande than most non-Americans.
      • Well, he doesn't know much about the geography of the US either. And while there definitely is such a stereotype (a widely believed one, too), this mix-up is pure Strong Bad, doing what he does best.
  • This one's weak. I'm Canadian, I personally love the stereotype, I think it's pretty funny, but not only is this fact currently worded poorly, I don't think the joke needs to be explained. At most, perhaps a clarification Fun Fact, simply stating that Canada is actually north of the border, for those who actually fit the stereotype, and are further confused as to the actual location of Canada in relation to America.
  • This is just a case of Strong Bad being Strong Bad. No inside hidden joke here.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Trogga
  2. Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing!
  1. Jay (Gobble)
  2. Trey56
  3.  Loafing
  4. Benol, aka Coach B
  5. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  6. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  7. Sana Jisushi
  8. Rogue Leader / (my talk)
  9. So makey outy
  10. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C
  11. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) —
  12. — Lapper (talk)
  13. Mycroft Holmes
  14. Danny Lilithborne
  15. ⇔Thunderbird⇔
  16. I R F
  17. Trelawney
  18. DorianGray
  19. Heimstern Läufer
  20. User:That_Goblin

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[edit] Attachment Issues

In the first theme song, Strong Bad is seen typing on the Compy 386 keyboard, seen previously in fingers.

From: theme song
Posted on: 19:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The Lappy screen is not visible.
  • The edges of the keyboard are sloped; I don't think this is intended to be the Lappy.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:

  • The keyboard shown doesn't even match the Lappy's keyboard.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. phlip TC
  2. Jay (Gobble)
  3. Trey56
  4. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  5.  Loafing
  6. Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing!

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