Talk:Bear Holding a Shark

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[edit] Page Title

Waugh! Why was my screen of the black-and-white hidden camera feed image of the Bear-Shark taken down? I'm putting it back up! --VolatileChemical 01:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, it appears to not be here. — talk Bubsty edits 01:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

So do we move this to "Bear-holding-a-shark" now? Crystallina 21:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we should, considering that "Bear-Holding-A-Shark" is his "real" name. I mean, if the Shadowy Figure from 20X6 gets a name, shouldn't we make a new page for him? -Marth 99 21:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I think it should just be Bear Holding a Shark, without the hyphens. Has Matt? (talk) 23:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PseudoCharacter

I added the Bear shark to the cast in the toons it's appeared in. With the recent email it's really become a character in itself. It was also on the Everybody Everybody Poster, so obviously The Brothers Chaps consider him a character, even moreso than The Paper. Thunderbird 22:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I added it to the list of pseudocharacters. — It's dot com 23:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference?

I noticed the admin, ItsDotCom, has put down the entire section on possible "references" for bear-shark. Can someone explain to me why this is not relevant to the character(s)? SargeAbernathy 23:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

First of all, it's It's dot com. Second, my being an admin has nothing to do with it. Third, one of those "references" was already mentioned, and the other two were coincidental at best. — It's dot com 23:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for any offense, and I did not mean to suggest that your Admin status had anything to do with it nor did I mean to offend you by mis-spelling your name.
I made the section on references because I thought that it was information that was important to the character. If a character was a reference to something, then I thought it would be important to note that on the character's page itself. I originally tried putting the section in myths & legends, but I was directed to put such information directly into this article. I agreed with this.
I did notice that the third reference was already mentioned in the article date and it is from that article I brought it from. I did not mean to double any information on the site.
The second reference was unecessary for the site, I realize this now. I apologize for .... being too wordy :)
However the SpaceGhost reference was something that I had caught way back when date first appeared. I didn't know the method of finding out what was a reference or what was coincidence. However, since I was under the assumption that it was a clear reference, I thought it would be important to write down this info ... (Where in literature are you going to see sharks and bears put together for a documentary so humorously save for absurdist humor?)
I do not mean to argue or insult you at all. I merely wanted to ask and debate this section. Again I apologize. SargeAbernathy 23:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I did not mean to seem offended, because I wasn't. I was simply pointing out how my name is spelled and the fact that being an admin doesn't mean that I have final say-so on what goes in the articles. That said, I think a bear holding a shark could be thought of independently by several people, and I don't think that TBC were basing theirs on anything. — It's dot com 23:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh good then ^^ I was afraid you were offended. You're right that the bear/shark will probably be seen as independent by most people, seeing as SG:C2C hasn't been seen by most people who watch Homestar Runner and it is a show that is no longer aired. And, being an English Major right now, I know the insane frustrations that comes with trying to figure out if the author intended something or not ... so what TBC mean to say in any of the stuff they make will be mysteries forever .... just like the legendary bear holding a shark!
I still think the section is needed, but without anything concrete to say, I'm not willing to defend my section just yet. SargeAbernathy 23:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filmography?

If bear shark's a character of sorts, does it need a filmography? What's our "cutoff" when deciding wether or not to do filmography categories? Some pseudocharacters only appear once. Others appear a lot (like The Geddup Noise). I'm starting to really think that most PseudoCharacters like The_Stick, The Geddup Noise, Chairscoot and this one should have their own filmography category (and for The geddup noise and chairscoot additions to the cast list of the toons/emails they are a part of). What I am proposing is no easy endeavour, and may need to be added to HRWiki:Projects. What are your opinions on the matter? --Stux 23:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me filmographies are only for characters who are "real" or interact or are interacted with as if they were real as a rule. I think a filmography of Geddy would be senseless as it was only trated as a "real" character in one email. The Stick and the Bear-Shark would also not merit a filmography. In fact, myths_&_legends all but screams "fake myth", so I can't even see an argument for a filmography for the "Homestar-spotted" Bear-Shark. Qermaq 01:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The filmography would be nice if someone's like, "I wonder what other toons the bear-shark has been in?" But on second thought, it looks like that information is on the bear shark page, under "appearances". Trey56 17:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it needs a filmography. When it's appearances hit 15 or 20, then maybe. Bluebry 19:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Characters with short filmographies: Nebulon, 1-Up, Gavin, Blue Laser Minion, Marshie, Biscuit Dough Hands Man, ... And a bunch of others. --DorianGray
The main reason I thought of the filmography thing is that the purpose of the filmography template is twofold: not only does it list the different toons that character has performed in, but it also informs whoever is reading a given toon that the given character had an appearance in that toon in a uniform manner (if I go to date I'll know that the Bear-Shark was there). I think Qermaq made a very important point: are these characters "real" enough that they'd need filmographies, or even if they were real enough once, should we list all their entries in a category. And then there are other issues i shall not go into at this moment. --Stux 21:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The bear-shark is more real than Biscuit Dough Hands Man, who has his own filmography. --DorianGray
Where is BDHM's filmography? Not linked from his page. Qermaq 23:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we should go for it. Bluebry 21:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Radiohead Hommage?

just wondering if anyone has noticed the similarities between the bear and the bear images from the artwork of Radiohead's OK Computer and Amnesiac albums... --thereddestraddish

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that the bear-holding-a-shark is strikingly reminiscent of the Space Ghost Coast to Coast bit about sharks and bears in episode "Kentucky Nightmare"? It featured a documentary called "Nature's Best Friends" where it had the two creatures as friends... and then as enemies. Which came first, the episode or the email?

[edit] Space Ghost Coast to Coast?

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that the bear-holding-a-shark is strikingly reminiscent of the Space Ghost Coast to Coast bit about sharks and bears in episode "Kentucky Nightmare"? It featured a documentary called "Nature's Best Friends" where it had the two creatures as friends... and then as enemies. Which came first, the episode or the email?

- Some guy who visits Homestar Wiki occasionally

I know this question was left quite some time ago, but I figured I might as well answer it. The episode of Space Ghost Coast to Coast was first aired on May 7, 2001 and date was released on August 18, 2003, so the episode came first. —Zelinda 23:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name change

When the article was created after date was released we didn't have a formal name to it. But now that there's a T-shirt for it with the actual name, the article must be moved. Here some quotes to support my argument:

  • "The Cheat totally freaks out whenever he sees a bear holding a shark." (date)
  • "The nottrue-est of which is the mighty bear holding a shark." (myths & legends)
  • "COMING SOON - Bear holding a Shark T-Shirt!" (Store front page)

Elcool (talk)(contribs) 13:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea to me. Heimstern Läufer 18:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Go for it. I made the redirect, and I support it being moved there. Bear-Shark is its shorthand name now. —BazookaJoe 18:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
That makes sense. Good catch. — It's dot com 18:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Moveded. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 18:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be titled "Bear Holding a Shark" or "Bear Holding A Shark", as that is what the Store and shirt call it, respectively?-- 22:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Probably the former, as we usually use title case for articles here. Heimstern Läufer 22:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Wait, I made a mistake, the store actually calls it "Bear Holding A Shark", too.-- 22:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it should be "Bear Holding A Shark", but I'd live with just "Bear Holding a Shark". Bluebry 22:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be better for us to use the title that's orthographically correct, which is to say "Bear Holding a Shark". Note also that on this page, TBC do capitalize it that way. Heimstern Läufer 22:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
The lowercase a version is probably better.-- 22:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I concur. Methinks they just use uppercase A for describing the shirt, but not the character. If that makes any sense whatsoever. Well, in conclusion, ... I vote "Bear Holding a Shark". Bluebry 22:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
They may also simply be inconsistent: remember, they aren't making a knowledge base, so these minutia probably don't matter as much to them. Heimstern Läufer 22:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

So this page was moved somewhat contrary to consensus. But then again consensus didn't seem entirely clear. However, the first line of the page does not match the page's new name. Moreover, redirects have been changed. So, which one should it be? --Stux 18:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bersark?

Could the Bear-Shark be related to Bersark, Vikings who would run into battle naked, from where we get the word Berserk?

I highly doubt it, Retromaniac. SaltyTalk! 02:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Among other things, they weren't naked, they were wearing bearskins as shirts, hence 'Ber-sark' bear-shirt.

[edit] Bear vs. Shark?

Could the bear-shark be reference to the band, Bear vs. Shark? Maybe the creators were fans of the band, and created the bear-shark in respect to the band.

- Not sure if it's relevant but I clearly remember emailing Strongbad a few weeks before this episode aired and asked the question "who would win in a fight between a bear and a shark" [I was reading the novel Bear v. Shark by Chris Bachelder at the time] soon after the bear holding the shark made its first apperance.... Bhell13 12:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phobia

It's mentioned that the Cheat has a phobia for unknown reasons of the BHAS, but he seems to have multiple phobias as a little guy. Bub's carborator pumpkin terrified the Cheat as well.

Not to mention the gingivitis shockumentary in bedtime story. --DorianGray

[edit] BearSharks

Stephen Colbert's fears of Bears and Sharks ("Godless Killing Machines") always reminded me of the Bear Holding a Shark. There is an article on them here.-- 23:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting, although I imagine it's speculation whether or not the two have any real connection. Heimstern Läufer 23:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] McKids

In McKids, an old McDonalds NES game, one enemy is a bear (or raccon?) holding a sharkfin. Is this just a coincedence? (you can first see the enemy in the level "The Stratosphere") -Guest i think it IS a coincidence. besides, it's a sharkFIN, so i think it's just a coincedence. good observation, though! Jibblejibblejibble

[edit] Item?

I don't think this is an item. free 14:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it a stationary, non-living object made of synthetic materials? If so, its an item. OBJECT-ED! --Jellote wuz here 14:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

But this so called "Item" cannot be held, it is attached...... or so we think...... so it is not an item. i think of it as the Strongbadia seal, because that's what it is! but, if you are talking about the actual thing, i call it a statue, like in the U.S.A, the Statue of Liberty. or, decor. -Jibblejibblejibble

[edit] Capitalize?

Shouldn't "holding" in "Bear holding a Shark" be capitalized? It's never occurred to me that "holding" was an exception to the capitalization in titles rule, like with "a" or "the." MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 20:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I concur with MichaelXX2. that is how I actually spell Bear Holding A Shark in these boards. -Jibblejibblejibble

[edit] Possible sighting

My mother-in-law just sent me a video completely unrelated to homestar runner in any way. However, right near the end it appears that there is some person dressed in a bear costume, holding a plush fish. What do you guys think? - Stu

Woah! does it at least LOOK like the Bear Holding A Shark? or was it a HALLOWEEN PARTY??? if it was, then the person might have been Bear Holding A Shark. and you said it was a FISH he/she was holding. why don't you post the vid on the site? -Jibblejibblejibble

I've got a sneaking suspicion that i've watched that before. --StrongstarHomebad

[edit] Real World Useage

I recently visited the midshipman museum at the United States Naval Acadamy, and saw the patches for the thirty companies. Believe it or not, Co. 25 are the Bear Sharks! The picture on the patch is almost a perfect recreation of the orginal Bearshark, with only a few alterations.

[edit] What a ripoff Obviously not intentional, but man.-- 07:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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