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== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i cou not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== What the crap? ==   
== What the crap? ==   

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In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive here.


Every thing is fine now

um what happened the last 3-4 days? i cou not get on the wiki --djm1791 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What the crap?

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --Upsilon

You're number 439. -- Tom 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link

I was just reading up on the Indian Ocean Earthquake and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

How very specific your request is. -Fhq

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself. Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- AgentSeethroo

Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable. -- Tom 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

Dubious reference solution

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is reminiscent of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea. -- Tom 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

Locking down the main page

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...

Yes, I want the main page protected as well... -woddfellow2|? 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- FortyTwo 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --TheNintenGenius 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --

Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement. -- Tom 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

hydrocodone apap

A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST) (ref)
Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired. -- Tom 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest
Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea. --Rgb9000

If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? Aurora the Homestar Coder 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --Rgb9000 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. Aurora the Homestar Coder 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever


Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

Away. — InterruptorJones[[]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. woddfellow2|? 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) - Dr Haggis - Talk 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

Confusion over moving dates

The Main Page says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- Mithent 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem. -- Tom 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)


Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--mailman8 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Yes you are, you're number 895 →evin290 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--Harry 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, find out for yourself. -- AgentSeethroo 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--mailman8 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Favorite Character List

It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting. Anyways... opinions anyone? --Joshua 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the Fanstuff Wiki, or perhaps a poll in the Forum. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --Joshua 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--Joshua 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

Article of the day?

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day. -- Tom 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
We could do it like the Wiki does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March then just do an include on the main page like:

== Featured article ==
{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --noclip 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles. -- Tom 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

New logo

How about it?


noclip 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

I had this alternate too


noclip 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... Glutnix 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly. -- Tom 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.
Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.
Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. «Rob»
The first one is perfect. --Joshua 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.
On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. «Rob»
I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →evin290 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. -- 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.
Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --acekirby13 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - AgentSeethroo 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--Because, It's Midnite

I like it. Dropshadow. ?Thunderbird? 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! Kvb 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --Tony Stony 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. ↔ Rabidfox ®

Scared of 1.4.0

I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because...
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much.
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling.
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --Joshua 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --Joshua 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

Character Evolution, The Stick

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

Suggestion #1: Character Evolution

In the Character Evolution pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The designs themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

Suggestion #2: The Stick

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that fhqwhgads should return to beign an inside joke.

  • I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --thatkidsam 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • I wholeheartedly agwee. Fhqwhgads get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Editing issues

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add, a repeat offender who defaced long pants and Strong Bad Email. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --Jay 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)

It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the WikiTroll Archive, Strong Bad's Room Main Page, japanese cartoon, and most importantly WikiTroll and Talk:WikiTroll. For more information, go to HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4 --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4. Annoying, yes? Aurora the Homestar Coder 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --Jay 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". Aurora the Homestar Coder 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
I called it WikiTroll 2.0. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --Jay 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Great jorb! Aurora the Homestar Coder 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --Jay 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? Aurora the Homestar Coder 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Watchlist is acting a little strange...

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited
since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and
edit complete list.)

Below are the last 2 changes in last 3 days. 
Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all 
14 Apr 2005
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . . (Talk) (?Creating a New Account) 
3 Apr 2005
(diff) (hist) . . N HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) (Add stuff.)

--Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our problems since upgrading were all fixed has been dashed. -- Tom 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've just seen it as well. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
Same here -- Posted by: -erson Talk 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This happened to me too. --acekirby13 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this. -- Tom 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at and we'll talk. Thanks. -- Tom 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see MediaWiki bug 1778. -- Tom 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Refactoring the Main Page

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.
I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do. -- Tom 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current Toons, Strong Bad Email, etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.
As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've created a mock-up of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. «Rob» 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- Joshua 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →FireBird
The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our Browse page look?
Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like Marzipan's Answering Machine on there.
Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer Introduction guide that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
Oh, and the portal is a great idea too. -- Tom 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my User Page for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. - Dr Haggis - Talk 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've also created a Introduction mock-up. -- Tom 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing - Dr Haggis - Talk 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it. -- Tom 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →FireBird
Wikipdia has their Commnuity Portal you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics. -- Tom 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. »ßenit, known as señor«


Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by TBC, what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY TBC, and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops (EDIT: Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ?Thunderbird? 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -- Tom 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :pertmywerttalk copy this:p<small>ertmywert</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:pertmywert|talk</sup>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly. -- Tom 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ?Thunderbird? 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ?Thunderbird? 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →FireBird
Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. Aurora the Homestar Coder 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ?Thunderbird? 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. Aurora the Homestar Coder 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that smoke stack!." Hows that? ?Thunderbird? 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →FireBird

Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. EDSMILDE
You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little #p-logo{border:thin solid black;}? -- Tom 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css". -- Tom 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! EDSMILDE 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Back Links

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, flashback would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to Strong Bad Email" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. EDSMILDE 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC) Back to Strong Bad Email>
it could maybe look like that

I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →FireBird
I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ »ßenit, known as señor«
K, screw the template. EDSMILDE
This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to Strong Bad Email in Template:Strong Bad Email. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ?Thunderbird? 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag. -- Tom 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? EDSMILDE

Unused images

I've just been looking at the unused image list, and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

Interwiki Links

I think the interwiki links are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to external links, but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I like them how they are. Light blue without the tiny arrow is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page. -- Tom 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were visited interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool. -- Tom 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Strong Bad Email link in navigation box

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay. -- Tom 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Same here. ?Thunderbird? 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H* updates" though. «Rob» 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Done. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Something's Up...

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --acekirby13 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I've gotten this too. →FireBird
I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic Tom and Pidgeot on it. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →FireBird
It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --acekirby13 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the site notice, but I don't think that helps here. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)
I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and Wikipedia:greps on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
The query that needs to be run is SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
I need a sysop to go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it. -- Tom 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I had to use it :)) --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to MediaWiki:Monobook.css.

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
   (SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a namespace... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title='' - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- Pidgeot (t) (c) (e)

More interwiki links?

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on HRWiki talk:Projects. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. EDSMILDE 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. «Rob» 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Mellow Mushroom transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective talk page for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though. -- Tom 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the Homestar Runner store, Videlectrix, and Thorax Corp. to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --Gafaddict 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soonEDSMILDE
page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

New blockquote style...

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.

Only problem now is you have to put in your own p and br tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. EDIT: My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... ?Thunderbird? 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. EDSMILDE
Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like "======Blockquote Text======", but I don't know if you'd want to do that. EDSMILDE
Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Is that a idea of what to repace {stuff like this} with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- Joshua 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I think some of you might be utterly confused. A blockquote is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of pre when quoting things like emails. See Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003 for a good example of what I'm talking about. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


kitkorp sub-page dealie

Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? Thunderbird 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... Thunderbird 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

suggestion for front page

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the H* updates page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

1. Please sign your posts, by typing ~~~~ after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion here. Welcome to the wiki. Thunderbird 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of main page changes, I think the new main page layout is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the talk page. Most notably, we need nominations for featured articles. Thanks. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! Cheatachu72 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

The New Main Page

Let me be the first to thank JoeyDay for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! Thunderbird 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — InterruptorJones 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. —FireBird|Talk 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I personally think that the new Main Page is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --kerrek slaya 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I like it. Great jorb! --acekirby13|My Talk 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! EDSMILDE
I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ TK600 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- Joshua 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at The Stick. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. —FireBird|Talk 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --VolatileChemical 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.—FireBird|Talk 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

What The...

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking here. JoeyDay does awesome work. --The Paper 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

What's New?

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --Gafaddict 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Agreed. Kvb 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Er... it is a template. —FireBird|Talk 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Low Bandwith?

I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to help us pay our hosting costs. — InterruptorJones 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.EDSMILDE
Happened to me, too
No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --Jay (Talk) 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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