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-	== No Turning Back Now ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	Do you guys think that there are enough toons to warrant a "Toons without Back Buttons" page? It's become a recent trend with TBC lately. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 20:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)	+	== sbemail templates ==
-	:*[[Fish Eye Lens]]	+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	:*[[Halloween Safety]]	+
-	:*[[I Killed Pom Pom]]	+
-	:*[[sbemail206]]	+
-	:*[[Record Store Day]]	+
-	:Yeah, probably. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::Additional Stuff without the back button:	+
-	::[[Telebision Toons Menu]]	+
-	::Email [[the chair]]	+
-	::[[Lappynapped!]]	+
-	::I think there's enough. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 21:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::So, it looks like this idea is good enough to warrant its own. However, what's the best name for the page without being too long? There are longer page names than "Toons Without Back Buttons", but I feel like that's too long. Anyone got any ideas? - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 17:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::Honestly, I don't think you can get it any shorter than that, unless you're willing to settle for a ''really'' informal name like "Backless Toons", or something that's difficult to understand like "Orphaned Endings". And maybe it's just me, but it doesn't look all that long the way it is, either. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 21:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::"Toons Without Back Buttons" seems fine to me. It's clear, concise, and shorter than many other names of pages we have on this wiki. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::: How about, "No Back Button Toons" or "Back Button Exclusions"? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 22:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Translations ==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	Here are the official translations for some of The Cheat's and Pom Pom's lines in SBCG4AP:	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
-	*[https://tcrf.net/Strong_Bad%27s_Cool_Game_For_Attractive_People/Homestar_Ruiner#Cheat_Talk]	+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	*[https://tcrf.net/Strong_Bad%27s_Cool_Game_For_Attractive_People/Strong_Badia_the_Free#Cheat_Talk]	+
-	*[https://tcrf.net/Strong_Bad%27s_Cool_Game_For_Attractive_People/Baddest_of_the_Bands#Cheat_b.2Fw_Pom_Pom_Talk]	+
-	*[https://tcrf.net/Strong_Bad%27s_Cool_Game_For_Attractive_People/Dangeresque_3:_The_Criminal_Projective#Cheat_Talk]	+
-	How should we cover them? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 09:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	:I think the first question to ask is "SHOULD we cover them". Followed up, depending on the answer, by "how". Personally, I'm on the fence about the former. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Importance of edit summaries ==	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:''[[User talk:RickTommy#Edit summaries|discussion 1]]; [[User talk:Catjaz63#Edit Summaries|discussion 2]]''	+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	If edit summaries are for page histories first and Recent Changes a distant second, what about [[Special:Contributions|user contribution pages]]? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 03:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	:That would be third, so distant from first and second you can barely see it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::But can Original Bubs see it? - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 05:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Complaints about the "Log in / create account" page ==	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	Please, give us back the old "Log in / create account" page, so we will have the chance to register an user-name on HRWiki.org! We swear, we should certainly not be mean to you at all! We want to be kind-hearted, so we will create an account on an EASY way! Thank you! :'( --[[Special:Contributions/178.174.243.198|178.174.243.198]] 19:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:This question has already been answered in an above discussion. [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 44#Account creation|Account Creation?]] - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 19:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Unnecessary Segmentation ==	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	So, [[User:Broncotroll|Broncotroll]] has been adding a new <nowiki>'section'</nowiki> to certain articles that separates [[Poker Night at the Inventory]] references to <nowiki>'Out-of-Universe'.</nowiki> Personally, I don't believe that PK&tI references should be segregated, but rather just considered normal and added in the normal 'Appearances' and references to it in articles [http://hrwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Strong_Bad&curid=817&diff=749230&oldid=747999 should not be removed]. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 18:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:I can understand what you mean about the segmentation, but having references to Strong Bad "going to the inventory" definitely merited deletion. Strong Bad is an oft-visited article and it should not have passing references to out-of-universe games no one bought. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 21:52, 26 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:: Also, I mostly segmented the PNATI references when having them in the text of the article would be confusing or break the fourth wall. For example, I have no idea who "Heavy" is, and mentioning him as if he's an hr character and not some crossover guy is misleading. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 21:59, 26 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::: Just unsegmented it in places where it was streamlined into appearances. But I think the segment should stay when foreign characters or references are involved. Also, I have a precedent. I got the particular wording from [[Explosions]]{{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 22:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::I still disagree and find it '''completely irrational''' to segregate just bullet points because they make references to characters outside of the Homestar Runner universe. You shouldn't remove or segregate information on articles just because ''you don't understand it''.	+
-	::::Also, you saying '''<nowiki>'passing references to out-of-universe games no one bought.'</nowiki>''' is incredibly ignorant.  - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 23:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::: Just because you say it '''in bold''' doesn't make it true, it just makes you like a '''supercilious ***'''. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 00:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::::You call me supercilious when you just violated an HRWiki policy by [[HRWiki:Swears|swearing]] in a situation where it does not add to the conversation and is not a quote. .	+
-	::::::Also, you keep referring to some 'precedent', yet you never link to it. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 00:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Okay, I'm going to try to steer this conversation from a never-ending slapfights of ad hominem into a conversation again. The big question I ask with this decision is, Are there enough examples of out-of-universe bullets to warrant a new section on ''every page'' that PK&TI is mentioned? Since it's the only thing that's really big that isn't just a small short that is out of universe and features a Homestar Runner character, there is almost no reason that it should warrant its own section and not be incorporated into the HRWiki like everything else is. It's such a small game that it can be easily put into articles seamlessly and doesn't need this silly column just for it. If you don't understand the bullet point, you could click on the game title and learn about it and who 'The Heavy' is in the game. These changes are not needed and should all be reverted for adding nothing to the content but being intrusive into the natural flow of articles. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 00:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Edit Conflict: Broncotroll, The "precedent" you refer to as "proof" that we do things this way was originally added by... wait for it... {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Explosions&diff=next&oldid=735705 '''you'''}}! This sectioning off has '''never''' been how we do things. In addition, your recent comment using profanity was uncalled for, and inappropriate. Please do not do it again. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::On the topic of whether we should be separating references like this, the answer is no. They are references made by TBC in works in which TBC were directly involved made by HR characters. Oh, and for the record, if we're going to start separating every reference by what universe it's in, every page is going to have like [[Storybook World|four]] [[Old-Timey|or]] [[20X6|five]] [[Cheat Commandos|sections]]. I agree with Catjaz. It breaks up the flow of pages and gives undue attention to the "out-of-universe" entries. In essence, separating them makes them stand out more, and gives them MORE weight, not less. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::: Okay, I'll defer. You're right. I totally didn't remember making that edit. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 01:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::Fair enough. The one thing I do agree with you on though is the removal of the line that essentially said "Strong bad likes to spend his free time when he's not checking email jumping out of the HR universe and playing poker in a multi-universe crossover" from his character bio. Stuff like that doesn't really belong. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::: Thank you sir. And I'll try to stop cussing. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 02:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== A Small Idea ==	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	This is an odd idea, but would it be possible to embed Strong Bad's latest tweet on the front page? I feel like there's a lot of wasted space under the 'Browse the Knowledge Base' section that could be used for an embedded tweet or something else. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 00:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:Whoa, great idea! That would actually make the main page a lot livelier. I would recommend putting it in a template and updating ''that''. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 10:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::Idea I like! +1! How about calling the template {{t|latesttweet}}?  It'd have to be a the sysop who'd add the template to the main page in the end. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::I don't think that the HRWiki can support embedded tweets, however - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 06:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::Well, not literally, but I meant just copying the tweet's contents into a template (or any other kind of page), and then embedding that page on the main page, similar to the list of updates. We don't need to implement a live Twitter feed or anything <strike>complicated</strike> ''requiring an API'' like that. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 19:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Oh, we could do that definitely! The only thing we need now is a sysop. But the question is, are sysops Legendary Legends or Mysterious Myths? Nobody's ever seen one in the last 86 minutes! - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 20:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== An idea (again) ==	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	It would be a good idea to make a page with a list of all of the [[Talk:Date Nite#Title Card|title cards]] in it (similar to the [[Opening Credits]] page)? Like [[:File:I_Killed_Pom_Pom_title.png|this one in I Killed Pom Pom]] or [[:File:ADecemberweenMiracle.png|A Decemberween <s>Miracle</s> Mackerel]]. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 17:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	:Do we not have a page like that already? I'm surprised... Well, if we don't, I'd recommend that it be named [[Title Cards]], have a description explaining what a title card is, elaborating that only the big ones and holiday ones really ever have them, and then a gallery of all the title cards that ever happened in chronological order, with perhaps a see also pointing to [[Irregular Loading Screens]], and Stockton running a slant to break through the defense. Got it? Annnnnd.... BREAK! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::Good jorb. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== [[H*R.com updates 2015|H*R.com updates]]? ==	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	Back when TBC's activities were mostly contained within homestarrunner.com, these page titles made sense. But with updates happening on twitter, YouTube exclusives, and with off-side updates sadly being more common than on it, should these pages be changed to a more neutral title to reflect these off-site updates more accurately? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)	+	:Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:I feel like "H*R.com" is more representative of the Homestar Runner body of work rather than the website itself, but I can agree that it would be better to change it to "H*R Updates" possibly. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 03:16, 5 October 2015 (UTC)	+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	::Incidentally, "H*R.com" links to [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] instead of [[homestarrunner.com]]. If there is a supporting consensus for this, I've posted how updates to Homestar Runner as a whole could be covered on the main page in the [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ASandbox&diff=752021&oldid=752020 sandbox]. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 15:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::I like it, especially because the Strong Bad twitter page would dominate the main page's update list if each tweet were given as much weight as a site update. It sounds like simply changing the titles from "H*R.com" to "H*R" will reflect the recent paradigm shift quite nicely. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 20:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::[[looking old|I'm on board, I'm not bored!]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Uhh... this is awkward. ==	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	Anyone else think it's weird that the videos of the day (or whenever) on this exact page are christmas things and yet it's not Halloween yet? [[Special:Contributions/98.159.29.164|98.159.29.164]] 13:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	:That's left over from last year, I think. It just hasn't been updated. Although, this wiki has a Halloween design, so that might show Halloween toons by then. But hey, even [[vacation#Postcard 3|a stopped clock]] is right twice a day. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 14:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::Incidentally, given how unlikely it is for a clock to be perfectly calibrated, a stopped clock is right MORE often than a working one, a working one likely never being exactly right. It's one of those weird cases where a decent approximation all the time is more useful than an exact number occasionally. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::Now that is almost halloween, I hate it when It was Decemberween in October. Please change the Decemberween toons in "Featured content of the day (or whenever)" to Halloween toons! Also, You need change the logo to make it look Halloweenistic! --[[Special:Contributions/76.177.4.241|76.177.4.241]] 17:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::::Yeah. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Halloween logo ==	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	On the computer, everything looks set for Halloween: the background, the font color, Homestar; everything looks great. On mobile browsing, the Halloween background with the moon and the trees is present, but Homestar in the top-left corner has not changed. What's up? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 07:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
-	:I can think of several possibilities: 1. browser cache 2. lack of flash and reverting to the png logo 3. mobile browsing is terrible and does weird things {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)	+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:: It's the lack of Flash. There's a Halloween version of our gif logo; I've set it to fall back to that. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)	+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:::I figured that's what it was. Is that a common problem among mobile devices? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::: It's not a problem so much as a deliberate decision [[Flash is Dead|not to support Flash anymore]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Mobile ==	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	I think this wiki should have a mobile view, for those who are smartphone or tablet users. It will make it easier for them. Just a suggestion --[[Special:Contributions/2.223.106.226|2.223.106.226]] 13:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:Yeah, that's something we've had on the back burner for a while now. Someday! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)	+
		+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	== HELP ME! ==	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
		+	Yours truly,
		+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	I want to create an account so badly, but there is no "sign up option" Where is it?!	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	:To create an account, email admin@hrwiki.org and tell them what username you would like, and they will create your account and get back to you. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)	+
-	== Something wanna talk to you about ==	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	Now that halloween is over, Please change the Halloween toons in "Featured content of the day (or whenever)" to back to normal! Also, You need change the logo back! --[[Special:Contributions/76.177.4.241|76.177.4.241]] 03:37, 18 November 2015 (UTC)	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
-	:Eh, the Halloween costumes toon was released barely over a week ago. I'll switch it to Thanksgiving for sure by next week. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:06, 18 November 2015 (UTC)	+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
-	::Yeah. --[[Special:Contributions/76.177.4.241|76.177.4.241]] 04:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)	+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	== The running time standard wording ==	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	When listing the official time (usually when it's wrong), it is more factual to use (actual) or ([[TV Time Toons Menu]])? Or should you only use the latter when the menu is correct? - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 23:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	:''The rest of this discussion has been moved to [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Running time standard wording|HRWiki talk:Standards → Running time standard wording]]''	+
-	== Watch:youtube option? ==	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	This wiki is great, but it's hard to find the youtube videos from here, so along with the normal wtahc button (that takes you to the flash page) we could add a button that takes you to the youtube page, for people that don't have flash. Anyone else for this? {{unsigned|Noneoftheaboveorbelow|18:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)}}	+
-	:You mean like [[Flash is Dead!#External Links|this]]? Lots of them already have it. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 04:44, 16 December 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::I assume he means the buttons at the top, not the links at the bottom. It's something that could be implemented maybe by one person, but it's definitely not a priority that the HRWiki should be trying to implement. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 04:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)	+
-	::: I've tried it {{p|l={{FULLURL:Flash is Dead!|diff=754017&oldid=753888}} here}} but it doesn't really work. [[User:Noneoftheaboveorbelow|Noneoftheaboveorbelow]] 19:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)	+
-	:::: I don't think there's currently a pressing need to do this. If they start ever start updating semi-regularly again—or if we ever rebuild the wiki in a more mobile-friendly format—then maybe we could consider it then. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 17 December 2015 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== A (Maybe) Good Idea ==	+
-		+
-	Now that Homestar is updating more, we should bring back the featured article of the week. BUT... my idea was to have [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=719053 something like this], so it would automatically re-do a featured article that already exists. No one would have to edit anything. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 04:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== That DOES it! ==	+
-		+
-	I want HomestarRunner.com to be shut down for good, due to the LONG hiatus of that website from 2010-2014! :'(	+
-		+
-	I don't EVER want to visit that stupid website anymore! GOODBYE!!!!	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)