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== Trogday!! ==
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''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
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New toon up! Hoorah!
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== sbemail templates ==
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:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
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If I don't say this, someone else will. Sign your posts, man. Believe me, no one wants to build up a reputation as 71.115.222.77. Also, yes, we all feel that way too. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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== Trogday decor ==
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== Going away? ==
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Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
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:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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So many of the cool people are leaving! first, Homestramy20, then Bubsty, who's next? Thunderbird L17? Hiemstern Laufer? The Paper? Me??? I wonder if the wiki just has everything. Mabye it's complete.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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== How many references do you need? ==
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No such thing, Benol. No such thing. -[[User:Walking Armless|Walking Armless]]
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How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:are you sure???--{{User:Benol/sig}} 16:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::Oh, btw, I'm leaving and never coming back. Nice knowing you. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC) <!-- THAT WAS A JOKE. I'M NOT LEAVING. DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP! (Not yet anyways)  =)  -->
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== Songs archive ==
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:::Wow, Thunderbird, you had me worried for a bit! And in case anyone's wondering, I have no plans of leaving the wiki. Oh, and my name is spelt "Heimstern Läufer", not "Hiemstern Laufer". The "i before e except after c" rule does not apply in German. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::Don't criticise me because I'm too lazy to type the "ä"!--{{User:Benol/sig}} 18:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::::Too lazy, eh? Somehow I'm not quite conviced I ought not to criticize. If you don't want to write the umlaut, one can at least add "e" after the vowel. "Laeufer" is more correct than "Laufer". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::::Or you could drop the "Läufer" altogether, and just call 'im Heimstern. Or, do as I do, and use copy-paste. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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::::::: '''EDIT CONFLICT:''' Okay, okay. I would probably correct your Spanish mistakes, so it's settled. I know nothing about German, and you probably don't know Spanish.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 18:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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I have a prediction: The next one to go will be [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]].--{{User:Benol/sig}} 18:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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: You're wrong. Depending on my access to the internet, it may be ''me''.<!-- And I'm not kidding. --> Although I'm coming back in February, more likely than not, and if I get internet access over the next week, I may come back tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::<To Benol> Surely not! Why would we even want to predict such a dreadful thing?! <To Jay> That's rough. I've had internet troubles recently too. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::: It's not internet troubles. It's me going out of town, and then moving. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::: I'm just saying that he will be the 1st to lose intrest in H*R--{{User:Benol/sig}} 18:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::::Come to think of it, I haven't seen The Paper around for a while... {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 18:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::::I saw The Paper just today. Tagged a couple of images. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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:::::::E.L. Cool lose interest? Isn't he the one agitating to translate the entire H*R opus into Hebrew? Anyway, for the record, although I ''do'' anticipate being involved less than I am now at various points over the next semester (just as I did during finals of the past one), I don't really anticipate dropping out entirely anywhere in the foreseeable future. And the wiki will never be complete as long as TBC keep crankin' em out! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::::::The sad thing of it is, I think they might be starting to get tired of it too. My bet it that the Strong Bad Emails stop at 150, to be replaced by something new. It's not my place to say, I know I'm being pessimistic, but I'm afraid the end may be in sight. -[[User:Walking Armless|Walking Armless]]
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Listen, Benol kid, I'm not leaving anytime soon, more then that I find in somewhat insolting to have been tagged by ''someone'' as "The first to leave". The fact that I edit in defferent hours then most of you and that I need to be less on the computer and more on my homework doesn't mean I'm leaving! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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:Ok guys, this is starting to get a little old.  Bad things happen in life: yes good users have to leave for one reason or another, the economy goes up and then down, your once spiffy video graphics card becomes obsolete.  But that's life. Remember that good things happen too! New users come, new friends are made, the economy goes back up, and those spiffier new graphics cards become affordable!  Like I said that's life.  People always need rest. (And by that I refer not just to our old friends leaving, but TBC taking a break as well!). So people, please, stop speculating, and more importantly, stop being '''''negative'''''.  This is a fun place to be as we are thoroughly documenting a fun site to see!  We all get tired at times but I think there is no place for negativity and speculation on this wiki.  That said, keep on tranglin'! Or something like that. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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::Well put, Stux, well put. Yes, we know that everybody misses Bubsty and everybody wants him to come back. I know that I do. Hopefully, someday he will come back. But, as Stux said, that's life, and you're just going to have to move on. One of the most important things we learn in life to to take the good with the bad, and not to live in the past, but to hope and work for a better future. Good things will come eventually, as well as bad things. Sometimes we don't want to think about it, but at some point we all have to admit to ourselves: that's life. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 16:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::Well, i'll tell you why i'm leaving; yeah, it does have to do with the fact that life is getting complicated, and every once in a while people need to pay attention to school, family matters... and what not. As Stux said, new users will come, and old users may go... and the sudden drop of users, if you have noticed, ae the younger, more productive ones that have to deal with school?
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== dot dot dot ==
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:::Well, those are my predicaments. Later. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 05:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
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Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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::::Thats pretty much exactly the same reason I left. Slowly, this place was getting VERY overwelming. At recess I raced to the library, in hope of getting a computer, just so I could wiki. (Yup, I'm making "wiki" a verb). School is getting harder, piano lessons are getting harder, etc. I ''had'' to leave eventually. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
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:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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:::::Whoa&mdash;as both a school and a music teacher, I'm quite impressed that you're prioritizing that way. Although it's the wiki's loss, I gotta say way to go. May you be rewarded with Mad Keyboard Skillz. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
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::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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::::::As the two of you both saw this discussion (and briefly joined in it), I'm not so sure y'all are really ''leaving'' per say, but rather going into what I like to call "lurker mode." Lurker mode is by no means a point of no return, so I know y'all'll <!-- I type '''''exactly''''' the way I talk. So sue me. --> be back eventually. Each of you, take as long a break as you need. (On Wikipedia they refer to this as "preventing burnout.") {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 00:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
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== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
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:::::::Speaking of which, I may as well say right now that I'm also going to be going into "Lurker mode" until the second week of February. I've got a big test coming up. (A "Provincial exam", similar to the SAT's of America, just more focused into a certain class, in this case English) This test can only be taken twice a year, with the next oppourtunity being early Febuary. But before I'm allowed to take it, I need to complete a certain ammount of work beforehand, namely reading an entire book, writing a buncha reports about it, and completing ''four'' smaller tests before hand. I was gonna go for the June chance, but now I've decided to just blitz it and get it done. So to make a long story short, I'm gonna be really busy for a few weeks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
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[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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::::::::Holy cow&mdash;that doesn't sound... '''pleasant.''' Good luck. And, uh... go back to Stuckeys. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
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:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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== Spaced Invaders ==
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== Editing user pages ==
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[http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com/tcse/spaced/ this should be added to the games section.] - [[User:Strongstarbadder|Strongstar Badder]]
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Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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:the-coolest-stuff-ever.com is a fansite, not an official part of H*R. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:43, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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It is. Other wise, there wouldn't be [http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com/tcse/wav/sb_welcome.wav this] voice clip. - [[User:Strongstarbadder|Strongstar Badder]]
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== Wiki availability ==
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:Hmm... It appears more investigation is warranted... I know that the domain registration lapsed and then was renewed, and I suppose it could have been by TBC. On the other hand, the WHOIS record doesn't explicitly list Harmless Junk as the owner of that domain. Maybe TBC liked the site and gave them a sound clip. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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::The is precedent... like that other fansite that was celebrating its birthday or something, and they got an SB wav too! Let me see now where is that page... --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:21, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::[[The_Brothers_Chaps%27_Fansite_Acknowledgments#Burning_Horizon_Forum|Here]] it is! If it's not part of Harmless junk, then the clip will have to go in this page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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Well, trully, I'm the only one who knows the truth. A long time ago The-Coolest-Site-Ever was the biggest [http://web.archive.org/web/20030419102219/http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com/tcse/sbe/ Strong Bad Email fansite], just under HSR.net fame and was handeled by just only one guy. The site had what we now call Fun Facts&trade;, polls and other Strong Bad related content. Until it stoped updating. I don't know why it did, but several months later some other guy bought (or was given the domain to) the site and shaped it like the one from [[credit card]], hance the "''Under New Management!!''" in the headline. For the wav file, as you can see on the link I provided, TBC liked the site so much they actually sent it the the owner. This should be noted on [[The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgments]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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: You're not the ''only'' one who knew that. I just... didn't see the conversation until just now. But I used to frequent that site, long prior to my Wikiing (is that a word?) days. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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== Featured Article Selection ==
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:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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I've noticed that the [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|featured article selection]] is virtually unfindable, as it is [[Special:Whatlinkshere/HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|unlinked to]] from the root of any related pages. Perhaps a link next to '''[[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|Nominate an article]]''' &middot; '''[[HRWiki:Featured articles|More featured articles...]]''' would be appropriate? Or even something as simple as a link in the intro text of [[HRWiki:Featured articles]]? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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=== Still Slow ===
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It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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:The reasoning behind that at the time of creation is that it would most likely be a target for vandalism if linked to from the main page (or it's talk page...), with all the links convienently laid out. We also wanted to keep edit wars down, with all the red links glowing there, I'm sure some users would have their own strong opinions abut what articles should be featured. Also because the actual selection is ultimately the job of sysops or other responsible users, nominations would probably suffice for those who want to voice their opinion. However, that was some time ago, and granted, none of these assumptions have ever actually been tested. I've gotta leave the last word up to the Admins, but I still think somewhat unlinked is the best way to go, and especially unlinked from the main page. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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==glitch on the main pages ==
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Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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== just a thought, although just a thought is an understatement ==
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== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
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i have been patrolling the recent changes, and i think we should do some changes. for example, i have noticed a lot of edits by great users that of course, have no reason to not be marked as patrolled. i am thinking that all sysops and admins should have their edits not appear on the page. i realize this might be interfering with the software, but just a thought. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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:I don't think that's a good idea 1. Admins & sysops make mistakes and bad edits sometimes too. 2. I like to see when other sysops are discussing or editing something. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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:: i suppose....well, i think it was a good idea for the most part. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::oh, wait. i wasn't. wow, i suck. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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::::It's a good idea in some cases, such as the bots [[User:GrapeNuts|GrapeNuts]] and [[User:Valerie|Valerie]]. Neither of their edits are shown on recent changes for that exact reason, it just cloggs recent changes up. But for admins and sysops, H*C's comments are spot on. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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== holy edit conflicts batman! ==
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==New Fan Stumes’!==
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Has anyone else noticed that edit conflicts now happen when anyone edits any section of a page that you are editing.  This is getting to be a real nussance.  I was adding a real-world refernce and I got a edit conflict because people were editing the transcript and inside references, besides having to copy the text, it took me 3 more times to finally get my fact up. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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:Yeah this is probably a result of fixing [[User_talk:It%27s_dot_com/The_System_Is_Down#Diff_Problems|this bug]]. Though it doesn't say it was resolved. Maybe it's a feature you're able to turn off and it was turned off here? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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::Oh and I might as well mention [[Category_talk:Character_Evolution#Some_bug.|this bug]] I found a few days ago. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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== update!!! ==
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== Permafrosted logo? ==
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um, there's a new update and i don't know how to add it. can someone help me???? {{User:Seriously/sig}} 20:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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Okya, someone knows now. That's good. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 20:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
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The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
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== Contribs link on Recent changes ==
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:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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== Load times and potential solutions ==
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The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
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*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
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*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
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*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
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*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
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*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
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Is there a particular reason why this format was turned down? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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:It's not that it was turned down... it's that it hasn't been, er, turned ''up'' yet. I created that format earlier today just to see if I could do it. Well, I could. :) But I didn't want to force it on everybody without talking about it first. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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::No, it was a real link to anonymous user pages. At first I thought if I was adding contribs to users, why not add a user link to anonnie, but then I realized that there would never be a good reason for that to be there (except ''maybe'' to spot anonny user pages that shouldn't be there, but that didn't seem like enough). And since I didn't want curious people to click on the links and ''create'' the pages accidentally, I took the link back out. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)
, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)
GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

  • Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
  • Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
  • Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
  • HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
  • Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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