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== אפריל פאָאָלס ==
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''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
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אזוי, מיר ניטאָ נאָר געגאנגען צו שייַעך-נוצן לעצט יאָר ס אפריל פאָאָלס 'טאָג וויץ? {{User:The thing/sig}}
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== sbemail templates ==
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:18 15934'11 22528895 3109757279757097 42574 1375445 21850'28 1320170! {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}}
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:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
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::<s>Yoshi yoshi yo-shi!</s> Pas de langage marrant, s'il vous plaît! Je suis un peu déçu que la farce de Poisson d'Avril du dernier an a re-utilisée, aussi. J'ai attendu l'approche de AdQ et avait une des farces les plus vieuses re-utilisée. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 05:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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== Trogday decor ==
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1375732 676 28152101. 626 1722765793 410 834833482069 1003838 1375732 1058522 41048735. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}}
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Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
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:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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== XHTML Validation being pushed by non-staff ==
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== How many references do you need? ==
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If I recall correctly, Defender1031 isn't staff, and shouldn't be editing other people's signatures to conform to the validation of the Wiki's XHTML DTD, (nor was Homestar-Winner, etc. back before I knew about it as they weren't staff either.) However, what does the staff feel about this issue, as I just wanted to ask the question, "Should non-staff go about changing '''''other user''''' signatures?" I'm not trying to be rude or anything, rather, getting the question off my chest, seeing as Staff are the only ones really allowed to edit others' signatures, even though that reverting would go against the HRWiki rules, but a non-staff member editing another user's page (of any kind) is also against said rules, thus creating a rule paradox, if you will. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:There's no rule that says that non-admins can't fix the code in other people's signatures. There [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|IS a rule]] that says "If you must [edit someone else's user space], it should be for a compelling reason, for example to correct linking errors that might confuse readers or to provide technical assistance." Validation, especially when a signature is actively breaking pages, falls under the latter category. Note also that the [[HRWiki:Validation committee|Validation Committee]] was created mostly as a response to people using incorrect code in their sigs. (The most telling is the section on font tags: "There are many <nowiki><font color="red">text</font></nowiki> tags hanging out here and there. '''Many people are using them in their sigs.''' Since font tags are allowed in XHTML 1.0 Transitional, it's okay if people want to continue using them, but they should make sure to enclose the color declaration in quotation marks to keep things valid. However, '''we should try to switch everyone''' to <nowiki><span style="color:#rgb;">text</span></nowiki>. This method is much more forward compatible.") Also, if you are somehow under the impression that I have no communication with the admins beyond that which is visible to you on the wiki, you are mistaken. I hope that answers your question. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 06:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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== Does a Base64 Image count as an image? ==
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== Songs archive ==
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Base64 text can be converted from an image to text and back into an image [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1124149/embedding-background-image-data-into-css-as-base64-good-or-bad-practice via CSS]. Is it still valid to count such images as personal images even though they are text data? As the base64 text does not require as much data to be sent and received as an image does. (Browser processes the information from the text data, rather than download the image data.) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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:Actually, text-based base 64 encoding is MORE data per the same image than actual image data. Each byte of base-64 data holds 1/4 of the possible values that a byte of image data can hold (accounting for 6 bits as opposed to 8), hence for every 4 bytes of image data, there are 5 characters of base-64 data, meaning, more work all around. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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::I meant sent and received in terms of '''network''' bandwidth, not processing. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 10:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::Yes I know exactly what you meant, and you are still wrong. For every 4 bytes of image data transferred over the network, base-64 transfers 5 bytes. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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== Creating Accounts is No Longer an Option? ==
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== dot dot dot ==
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I noticed while logging in today that the "log in/create account" button has been reduced to a "login" button, and the page no longer links towards any sort of ability to create a new account. What happened to it? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 06:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:We had to disable it temporarily due to a recent influx of spam accounts. When new countermeasures are created, we'll reactivate the new account making option. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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== Featured content of the day (or whenever) ==
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== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
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I've [[HRWiki talk:Featured Article Selection#Take-a-break.exe|retired the featured articles]] and have set up the beginnings of an automatic list of daily featured H*R content. The format of this list will change, perhaps drastically, as we experiment with redesigning the entire main page. In other words, if you don't like the format right now, don't worry, it's a work in progress. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:19, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I'm actually surprised they lasted through 2012. I've visited the wiki every Monday morning for the past year in hopes of updates, but without fail there was always a featured article. Thank you to those who stuck with it for so long. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 22:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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::It's too bad there is nothing new on the H*R site to bring me here anymore.  Thank you IDC for all your work of the years.  The fact that your still here shows a lot of dedication. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:When I want my Homeschool Winner fix, I just come here and hit "Random" and go to some cartoon I haven't watched in five years (I go here rather than the Hamstar site itself because if I get something like Tapeleg I just hit Random again).  But that's not what I wanted to say.  What I wanted to say is while you're redesigning the front page, you might want to change "Recent changes" to "The latest changes" (I wouldn't call a year+ "recent"). [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 07:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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::First of of all, wow, this is the first topic on this talk page in 7 months. Second of all, for how long will the featured articles be retired? Third of all, Stev0, do you mean [[Special:Recentchanges]] or the opening text in the "What's New?" section on the main page? Just kidding, I know you mean the latter, and yes, I think "The latest ''updates''" makes more sense, too. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 07:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:::RickTommy, see definition #9 [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retire?r=75 here], which is the only definition of "retire" that fits FA. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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::::Which is to say indefinitely if not necessarily permanently. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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==Ronginald==
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== Editing user pages ==
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As I've just noticed from reading the forum, Matt has closed his [[Twitter]] account. So what will we do with the Twitter-related stuff on this Wiki? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 07:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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:Why, we keep it, of course. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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== possible update? ==
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Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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According to the Archive Wayback, There appears to have been an update on January 15, 2013, snd several others back in 2011 and 12... Or is it just me? [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 13:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Wiki availability ==
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:The Wayback Machine is not correlated to when an update was made. It takes a snapshot of what the web page looks like at that time and keeps it. The main page snapshots in 2013 all say "last updated 12-22-10". So there wasn't an update to the website on the dates you mentioned. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 17:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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== "The System is down?" ==
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For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Is anyone else able to get on homestarrunner.com right now? I cannot. [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 11:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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:[http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/homestarrunner.com It's not just you! homestarrunner.com looks down from here.] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 11:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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What can this mean? Can it be? Are the Brothers Chaps finally going to bring Homestar back from the grave? [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 11:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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=== Still Slow ===
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:The site is back up, but I don't see anything new. It might be a false alarm, but keep looking. --[[User:GBAura|GBAura]] 28 March 2013
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It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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: We had this scare before. The BC seem to be too busy to update the site but as long as they have steady new day jobs the site will be up. Still, we better mirror everything just to be safe. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 13:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Over the last 3 months or so, I have been copying the flash files for several of the toons (including ALL of SBemails) to a flash drive, via the "save target as" right-click command. So if the site goes down for good, I will have copies of all of my favorites's. [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 14:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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==glitch on the main pages ==
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: Make sure to share them with us in the worst case senario. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 13:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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You can copy them yourselves. All you have to do is right-click on the link for the flash file, then click "save target as" and choose a suitable location (I have mine on a 16GB flash drive.) It's that easy! [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 11:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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== You guys... ==
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== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
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Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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So this year's April Fool's prank is apparently to redirect EVERYTHING? I don't know whether to smack you all or give you a hearty pat on the back and say "good show." --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|That guy that slayed some Kerrek]]. 07:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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==New Fan Stumes’!==
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:I feel like every year I get mad when I see what the April Fools' thing is this year, and then I remember that's the point. {{User:The thing/sig}} 13:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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::To edit talk on the main page we had to type in the freakin' URL. And patrolling recent changes is nigh impossible. The only worse prank would be saying the site got updated. Now that's just foul play. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 19:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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Who changed my edit summary? And... How? Show yourself! I found a foolproof way to beat the system and you ruined it! I have the right to spell things however I want, no matter stupid it makes me look! {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 19:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC) Erm... Spinach dip?
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:::What the crap?!? So the only way I can coerce our diplomatic relations is through ruining the integrity of this horrible April Fools joke? And I have the who's quantity of optical faculties, thank you very much. AND I DID MY LAUNDRY LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO! {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 20:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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::::We can fight this together!!! {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Eh, I got blocked... I assumed everyone else did too... When I try to save a page it goes to the compy error page. If this submits it's obviously changed, though. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 22:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC) I guess it did change.  Maybe because dot com realized he was going too far. April Fools is one thing, but disabling all edits completely for everyone who's not an admin is just ridiculous... {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 22:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Alright, that was harsh. Your dedication to the holiday is impressive. And I like the Zelda references. Where's it's a secret to everybody? {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 22:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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::::::So, it's April 2nd... Shouldn't this be over? {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 00:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::<span title="By the way, you're the only one who saw the &quot;This is real&quot; message.">We usually keep it up until midnight Eastern, often midnight Pacific (or even later). Have you considered that ''maybe'' you're taking this all a little too seriously?</span> &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::: I'm the only one? That's so cool! I feel so special! Yes, I have considered that—that's why I rephrased later, I was being a wet blanket. Or a damp towel. Anyway, sorry for yelling at you. If the hrsite won't celebrate, we might as well. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 00:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Please restore the links to where they should go. 02:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::::I just assumed it would end up being something stupid and terrible. But I think I could get used to this. As long as "this" doesn't refer to navigating through history. That is quite difficult indeed. I think I found a way around it, but I haven't tried it yet. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 02:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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So basically, the point behind AF is to P*** people off? [[Special:Contributions/65.33.225.225|65.33.225.225]] 11:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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==Oh noio!==
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== Permafrosted logo? ==
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The woiki has a gloitch in it! I woint to go to a page but Oi got anoither! -Bubble
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: ^^(embarrassingly, that closely resembles my reaction) {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 00:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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== Your Update Comment Here ==
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The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
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Yours truly,
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The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
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When will Homestar Runner be updated once again? I'm just wondering! ;)
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:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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--[[Special:Contributions/176.10.211.162|176.10.211.162]] 19:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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:I reposted your comment here, I wasn't sure you knew where to put it and it deserves to be answered. Well, the answer is, Uh... We don't know. Am I right? Does anyone know? No, yeah, no&mdash;It kind of gets updated when they feel like it or when we "least expect it". That's why I joined the wiki, it gets me my hr fix. If they do update I hope to be the first to notice so I can post a hysterical misspelled message on this talk page. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 21:34, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have a funny feeling . . . soon . . . very soon . . . [[Special:Contributions/65.33.237.1|65.33.237.1]] 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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== Load times and potential solutions ==
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: I think if they updated they would prepare a really extravagant comeback that will make [[Weclome Back]] look like... Something funny... That isn't as extravagant. They couldn't just pop in and pretend there was no hiatus, it would have to be a big thing&mdash;like a holiday special or something, or a really well-thought-out sbemail written in that could coincidentally explain everything. You should make an account. It has benefits... But... I can't think of any of them now. Um... You can patrol edits? Anyway, if you did I could welcome you. I'm on the welcoming committee but no one ever joins these days so I haven't gotten to welcome anyone. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 21:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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::Take it to the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum.] And [[HRW:WHY|here]] are some benefits to creating an account. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 01:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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:Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason no one joins anymore is because THEY CAN'T!!! For some reason, the 'create account' link no longer exists. I would LOVE to create an account, and I love H*R, but it is impossible... Once the "create account" link is restored, if I don't have to send or receave any emails to do so (my parents are VERY strict about the emails I send, you know always standing over my shoulder and stuff), I will/would gladly make an account faster than you can/could say "Famous Ladies always like SBEmail". But, until then, I/you/we will just have to settle for [[Special:Contributions/65.33.237.1|65.33.237.1]] 14:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC) (When and if I do get to make an account, my username will be Jdaniels15, though my handle will be ToaJuaraevo01)
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::The reason the method of creating accounts was changed was because up until the words were removed from next to "log in", we were having a lot of trouble with spambots creating accounts. We prefer that all of our accounts belong to people <small>(with slight exceptions for the five bots that are run by admins)</small>. So they changed the method to ensure that a person was creating the account. Given that no spambots have created an account since then, the new method appears to be doing its job. And granted, it looks like there have been four total edits that were made by users who joined the wiki this way, and three of those four were to the sandbox. So yes, that is an unfortunate setback. However, just like anything else, there is no perfect way to handle the situation. In general, I prefer the old method of creating accounts, but I also like it when there aren't any spambots creating accounts every couple of hours. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::Ok, I can understand that, Spambots are nothing to BLARG at (Not that I would know). I still like wikipedia's way of doing it, (and they don't seem to have any trouble with spambots, but why? The World May Never Know.) [[Special:Contributions/65.33.237.1|65.33.237.1]] 11:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
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::::As far as i know, wikipedia's way of dealing with spambots is having a huge active user base who monitors editing activity and quickly revert them. It'd be nice if this wiki had a huge user base, but unfortunately, it was never that big to begin with and most of the great users left as the hiatus lengthened. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
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:So wait. Are you saying that there are no more great users on the wiki? . . . and that Broncotroll and TKWSN aren't great? They seem worthy of adminship to me . . If they aren't admins already. [[Special:Contributions/65.33.237.1|65.33.237.1]] 13:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
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:On a completely unrelated note, I think that I have been spending WAY too much time on the wiki: I am in college, and for one of my online discussion posts, one of my classmates pointed out that I was starting to sound like Strong Bad. Desparately in need of a break, [[Special:Contributions/65.33.237.1|65.33.237.1]] 13:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
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*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
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*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
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Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
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:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)
, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)
GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

  • Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
  • Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
  • Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
  • HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
  • Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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