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[edit] Regular outfit

Can we really say that "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular outfit, size, and style" if his shirt can change? Has Matt? (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

We can say "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular size, and style"?--Kanjiro talk 19:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
That applies to most main pages, though. Not just five. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra
Personally, I don't think the fact is noteworthy regardless. This fact would have been erased instantly if it had said "one of the few" instead of one of five. I say get rid of it. 0rion 06:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blurry shirt

When you roll over "Store" to put on the glasses, the logos on any of Homestar's shirts are still blurry.

When I put the glasses on, Homestarrunner's shirt is still blurry. Is anyone else having this "problem"

See the Goofs section.
This happens with all of his shirts, the ducky, the star, and the Peacy P.
I'm not sure this is a goof - I think this is an intentional joke. It seems a little odd that EVERYTHING else would be sharpened except for the shirt. User:Compdude
Agreed -- I laughed. 19:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
This especially makes sense when you consider that TBC blurred out the "Olympic Man" shirt in the last TGS episode, and the blurred out Peacy P shirt here also refers to that same TGS episode. Compdude

This was put into STUFF for some reason but it doesn't belong there; it's patently true, so the question is where, not whether, to note it. Seems like it would be fine just to put it in the list of buttons. — It's dot com 20:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The "Fila" shirt gives it away. It must have been intentional. Not a goof. Loafing 20:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Trey56 20:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be a real world reference then?
Yup, Fila's mentioned in Real World References. Trey56 22:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
What about the whole blurring-logos-to-avoid-copyright-infringement joke
Mentioned in Real World References? As far as I can tell, no such section. 06:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There was at one time. Where'd it go? --DorianGray 06:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I put it back. Regardless of the fact that it's linked at the top, it's still a real-world reference. — It's dot com 06:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I did notice something interesting: When the glasses are being taken off and put on, his shirt will get slightly sharper, then re-blur when the animation finishes. -- 23:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

They only get a bit sharper when putting the glasses on. Cyberdemon 19:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
So then it IS a goof! -Absorr|Homestar Runner Wiki is a must 22:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nekkid?

For the Downloads button, the article currently says "Strong Bad walks through the Field", but doesn't elaborate much. Then under Remarks, it says "Strong Bad is seen with underwear". I looked at the Main Page in question before reading the article, and I'm pretty sure that Strong Bad is naked. It would make sense, since everything's blurry, it forms a sort of pre-emptive censorship that's being exploited to allow SB to wander around in the buff. I personally can't see any color difference between his chest and where his underwear should be. After all, the Remark goes on to mention that "he claims he doesn't wear them", so where's the evidence that he's wearing them now? - Ugliness Man 20:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Put the glasses on by rolling over "Store". It will then become clear. :) Has Matt? (talk) 20:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
He's clearly naked flesh-tone when blurred, when the glasses are put on, he's wearing underwear. That's the joke - you see he's naked, but there are underpants when the glasses are on. 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
That would work, except for the fact that being able to use the "glasses" to see the other events unblurred is a Flash artifact, and it's hard to say whether or not it's strictly intentional. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
No, you're crazy. he has the underpants on when its blurred. someone decompile it and prove me right, but i'm still right. -JamesDean 23:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Proved right: on decompiling, the only Strong Body image has underwear on. There is none without it. --DorianGray 06:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

But SB said he doesn't wear underpants in New Boots.-- 19:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cardgage

Are the glasses the same shape/size/style as Senor Cardgage's? If so we may be looking through his eyes. -- 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, they aren't. Would've been cool though! -- 23:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
They do appear to be similar to Mike's, though I would not note that on the article. Too "spec"ulative (pun happily intended!). Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Underwear!

Strong Bad said that he does not wear underwear in New Boots. But he is clearly seen wearing underwear in this main page. I'm gonna put that as an inconsistency. Super!SantanaDuper!

It's currently listed in Remarks. Good memory, though! Trey56 23:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did put it on the inconsistencies article if that is alright.

[edit] The Weeklies

The Weeklies do appear blurred to me. Super!SantanaDuper!

The buttons yes, but if the actual windows are blurred, you have eye problems. Please consult an eye doctor. -- 02:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The buttons w/glasses

Aren't the buttons AFTER wearing the glasses run through a "sharpen" filter or something of the like? Since your 'vision' becomes sharper, they used "sharpen" on it? Looks like what happens when you sharpen in photoshop, as an example. -- 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

That's what it looked like to me, as well, but there's definitely been some additional effects added. (Speculation - they're not meant to look like bifocal lenses, are they?) -ReverendTed 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Wii

I`m currently typing on a Wii, and I looked at this mainpage and the page was all messed up! First time I viewed it, the whole page had a grey film over it and nothing worked. Second time, the page showed up CRYSTAL CLEAR. The only problem was that the emblems on Homestar's shirt didn't show up at all. Could this have something to do with being on the Wii? - HRFWiki:User:TheDenzel

I believe it's been mentioned, but it's likely something to do with the "blur" filter not working properly in the version of Flash that's included with the Wii's Opera browser. -ReverendTed 00:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh. I didn't see that before. I still need to get used to using the Wii's Internet Channel. Woops. TheDenzel
I'm in linux and I also get that gray film. Every time. — Defender1031*Talk 01:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page randomizer

Um, has anyone else gotten to this page by clicking "main" on the bottom of the page or "come on in" on the homepage? I tried both of them a hundred times, and never got to Main Page 24. --The Goblin!! 16:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You may be onto something. I didn't get it either.
I tried and got nothing. Maybe this should be mentioned? Awesomermustang 21:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure where it is noted, but I know it is someplace, that the later Main Pages are not in the randomizer so won't appear unless specifically requested. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I got Main Pages 21 and 23 on the "main" button but not this. I wouldn't note it unless it wasn't fixed by next week (or the end of the baby break, whichever comes first) Bad Bad Guy 23:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Probably this Main Page has not been added to the randomiser because it is the only Main Page not to display correctly in older versions of the Flash Player.
Confirmed: This was taken from a flash decompiler of main_nav.swf:


Proves that they forgot about it, or they didn't want people on the Wii getting it. --The Goblin!! 02:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It works now! but the newest page doesn't.

[edit] The messages

The main page messages aren't shiny. Should that be mentioned?--Super!SantanaDuper! 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

'Course they're not. They're not about to change all them for a one-page gag. Remember, the main page messages, show up on all the other main pages too. --DorianGray 21:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 20/200

Did anyone consider that the buttons are shinier because when you look through the glasses, you see better making things appear sharper.--Super!SantanaDuper! 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Should they appear sharper than real? Are you implying that all the other main pages are ever so slightly out of focus?-JamesDean 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Look at the other homepages with the glasses. You'll see that this is indeed the case. 03:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
...I'm pretty sure that's not possible. --DorianGray 03:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
"pretty sure"? I extracted the glasses with the decompiler and imported them to mainpages #3, 12 and 20 as a test. I didn't do them ALL but it's enough to get the picture. The way I did it, the glasses are permanent - the Store button does what it normally does instead of loading/unloading the glasses. Still, you can tell it's sharper than the version without the glasses.
HAHA my captcha was "FOggie" funny eh? 04:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Then that means that the glasses have an added sharpen feature... And that's cutely ironic. — Defender1031*Talk 04:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
not only that, but the other homepages are a little fuzzy to start with! JamesDean was RIGHT ON. Plus besides cute irony it means either this was planned OR TBC discovered a little flaw that they're bugfixing in this interactive way. Brilliant, either way! 04:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I was referring to "FOggie" when i said "cutely ironic"... but your idea is good too... — Defender1031*Talk 04:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
OH thanks, I didnt get what you were sayin' but yeah, that's why I reported it! One time I got "LapPHY" on a sbemail page. :) 04:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
You know if you create an account you won't get any captcha and other cool stuff happens too... — Defender1031*Talk 04:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
As for it being intentional... while TBC have occasionally hidden things in the flash, i doubt they'd go as far as to make an easter egg requiring you to take elements from one toon and use it in another intentionally. — Defender1031*Talk 04:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm sure not gonna put this in a easteregg section in the article. I doubt TBC intentionally "unsharped" 23 mainpages before this one. Seems to me just a minor optimization flaw - it's not even really detectable unless you do this test. You can't sharpen something that's already sharp, so, if it wasn't planned then I think TBC made this for fun after discovering the old pages's condition. 04:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
How do you get a decompiler?--Kanjiro talk 04:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Eltima has a nice one you can download for free. That's the one I use. --DorianGray 04:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Cool, now how do i use it?--Kanjiro talk 04:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, that is out of the scope of this talk page, and perhaps the wiki in general. Try emailing someone who knows, using a search on the Internet, or eben (gulp) the Help documentation provided with the software. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 08:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
OH my GOSH. You all know he's being facetious right?! Why do you think he didn't sign it?!-JamesDean 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
It's not any more facetious than the stuff everybody else around here does with Flash decompilers. I don't even wanna remember the last time a toon/sbemail/TGS/etc article appeared in where someone didn't fire up the ol' swiffripper for fun and profit. 01:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
By "fun and profit", of course what I mean is posting of the very studliest FunFacts and disruptive discussions of canonicity.
I'm thinking that the creators just went the way of many other flash artists and threw a slight blur filter overtop of all the other homepages, for the simple reason that a vague blur hides tiny errors and compression artefacts, as well as making the finished product generally look softer. The glasses would simply cancel that out, no? 16:23, 27 July 2007

Please stop feeding Thanks. Loafing 00:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incompatibility Explanation

As I have said on the forums...

This seems to be made in Flash 8 or higher instead of the Flash 5 they usually work with, hence the blur effect and shinier buttons. Remember that in the video at Georgia Tech, they said that they have both, but mainly work in 5 and export in 8 just because it compresses better, and only work in 8 to do things 5 can't. Hence why you can't see it in the Internet Channel, which only supports 7 and under.

-??? 04:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Aaah... That's a neat bit of info. Kudos. --DorianGray 04:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Permanet Glasses?

When I click and hold the store button and then move it to the non button zones and let go, The Glasses stay on until, you scroll over store again. Toonypie from the Fanstuff wiki.

Yes, that's the way Main Page Glitches work. — Defender1031*Talk 16:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
And with this, you can put on and take off 2 pair glasses! (lol) -- 19:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
No, you can't. — Defender1031*Talk 19:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this 20/200?

I have a bad sense of distance since my left eye is legally blind 20/400. Is this really 20/200?? Santaman

No, it's just what it is. What that means is you can see as well at 20 feet as a normal eye can see at 400 feet. 20/200 means one can see at 20 feet what a normal eye can see at 200. If your better eye is 20/200 or worse, you are legally blind; if only one is, you're legally blind in that eye only. So your left eye is quite past the legally-blind threshold of 20/200. More info can be read on Wikipedia. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The "legal blindness" definition refers to corrected vision. If one's bare eye is 20/400, it does not mean she's legally blind after she pops her lens in.

[edit] Button shading only

Anyone notice they've got the shiny shading on the buttons on the left in this one? I mean - it doesn't happen in the other main pages. --Addict 2006 00:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. --Addict 2006 00:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blur type

Only optics geeks (like me) with poor uncorrected vision might notice this, but the blur seems to be of the Gaussian variety, whereas nearsightedness produces a roughly flat circular blur, corresponding to the shape of the eye's pupil. At all worthy of note? 04:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Blur has a shape?
I don't know, no one said anything about the shape of a blur. He mentioned TYPE of blur and SHAPE of an eyeball, but u've compiled them together somehow -JamesDean 21:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Check again: "a roughly flat circular blur" means you lose.
Yes, he's saying that it blurs in a circular formation as opposed to omnidirectional. Not that the blur itself has a shape, but the direction in which it is blurred does. — Defender1031*Talk 22:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
That's a really neat observation. I feel like I've learned something today. -ReverendTed 04:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Here's what gets me

Can I just gripe about something? In 'Real World References', it's noted that Homestar's blurred sure may "possibly" reference the blurring of logos on TV shows - something that might not even be a reference is allowed. Yet, something as blatantly obvious as "Bub Rub" is immediately thrown out as being 'unlikely'?

Idiotic. Truly idiotic. This Wiki is going down the crapper, fast. (talk • contribs) {{{2}}} (left unsigned)

I kinda have to say I agree with you. I've had my fair share of run-ins with the popular vote over stuff that I thought was just plain common sense. (Which is one of the reasons I always sign as anonymous.) But.. um.. what's a "Bub Rub"?-- 05:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Wiki faults and failures aside, how do you propose we fix your stated fun fact issue? Perhaps we could have a debate about this right here. It's not you vs. the wiki; you are the wiki. (In other words, the wiki wouldn't go down the crapper if people would be willing to fix its problems.) —BazookaJoe 06:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I like how you're completely assaulting everyone's opinions. I'll have you know I agreed with the whole anti-Bub Rub thing. I can see how that whole shirt-blurring thing seems a bit unlikely when put into context, but facts on the Wiki are often phrased as being "possible" as long as they're at least pretty likely to be true. I don't see what you're bellyachin' about. ~That Guy Over There (User talk:That Guy Over There) 04:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters

Anyone else notice that when you scroll over the Characters button, the quality of the sound is a lot poorer than the rest of the page?

[edit] Underwhere?

When I put the glasses on to see Strong Bad in his tighty-whiteys, it looks to me as if his legs aren't really attached very well. Anyone else seeing this glitch?

[edit] completely wrong!

when i go to this page, there is no glasses, no words, no blurriness, no shirt emblems, store leads me to a"get flash 8" page, and sb doesnt have legs! what is going on?!!!Im a bell 22:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It means you have an earlier version of flash than 8. It's okay, i can't see this page either. — Defender1031*Talk 22:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
oh. okay! Im a bell 22:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
*gets eaten by a carnivorous plant* you just had to say that, didn't you? — Defender1031*Talk 22:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
yes. yes i did. (annoying aren't i?) Im a bell 15:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link Once?

Why do we need link to Fila and Peacey P in both Button Effects and Fun Facts? I just don't see why can't it be just either way. --Trogga 20:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Because we need to link the first instance, and they are references and should be linked there too. There's nothing wrong with linking something twice. — Defender1031*Talk 20:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes there is. --Trogga 20:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
yes, but read carefully. It says in an article itself, not in the transcript of references. — Defender1031*Talk 20:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Still, we don't link to "pants" two times in the article. --Trogga 20:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Because with pants, the link explains everything by itself, with these other ones, there's more to the reference. — Defender1031*Talk 20:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Strong Bad is also legless"

How do you get Strong Bad to show up on the Wii? I tried to watch both the .html and Flash files on the Wii and he never came. Bad Bad Guy 16:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone must have been able to do it if they could figure out he was legless. Bad Bad Guy 19:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
It was weird. All the other times I tried it, it was pretty dark, and nothing at all happened when I rolled over the buttons. At the time I tried it before I undid myself, I pressed random things, and then it suddenly turned bright and I was able to make Strong Bad appear. Bad Bad Guy 20:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Did this happen on anyone elses' Wiis? The main page went dark and rolling over the buttons did nothing at all? Bad Bad Guy 22:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lip-sync

When I watch this with the Main Page Glitch on, I find that all the lip syncs are off, not just in the Games effect. It is certainly more obvious in the Games one, but if you look carefully, it applies to all of them. Maybe its just my computer being slow, but I doubt it since the same thing happened on my uber-top-of-the-line gaming rig. Dementedc 20:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "How many fingers?"

IMO, this is a reference to his lack of visible hands. Is this worth mentioning, or is the reference too subtle? ~ Jbshryne 18:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC) ...Aaaaaand I just saw that it's already there. Thank you. ...Tonight. ~ Jbshryne 18:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wii glitches

Umm, first of all, that is a "currently" fact, secondly it's a glitch with the flash version and not with the page itself... i had the same issue until flash player 9 for linux came out... i tried to remove it but got reverted. does anyone think it actually belongs on the page? — Defender1031*Talk 15:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

If it's just due to Flash version, I think that excessively lengthy note should either be deleted or replaced with a simple "This page does not work properly on Flash v7 and older." Something like. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The glasses

Image:Chapman Mike personal photo.png

The glasses seen in the page are the same shape of the ones Mike wears. I don't know, just seems to be something noticeable. Whatever. --Jnelson09 19:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not updated?

The copyright date on this page somehow still reads "2007". How can that happen? Does that mean that TBC use a different Flash file for the list of different main pages on Main Page 24? Homestar-Winner (talk) 21:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A quick decompile shows that, indeed, Main Page 24 has its own homepages file, located here. It also has its own news button, for some reason (probably so it can be blurred). They must've forgotten to update it (but remembered to get main23's?). --DorianGray 22:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That wierd glitch...

Okay, while I was on my PSP, I tried to access this main page, yes, the screen remained tint, and, yes, details were missing, but as I scrolled just around Homestars neck, my cursor showed to be clickable. I clicked on it, the screen turned to normal brightness and the button effects worked. Although, Strong Bad was still legless, and the logos on HS's shirt wouldn't appear, the links still don't work, but it was fully functional. Has anyone came across that?. This is A Website (T/C) 16:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that'll happen. Most non-computer devices run Flash Lite. Version 2 %mdash; the most common one — is equivalent to Flash 7. Although TBC do their animation in Flash 5, they publish their stuff in later versions to take advantage of better compression. They had been using version 7 for that but they upgraded to 8 sometime around the tenth anniversary toon. Nearly everything since then has had some weird problem or other with Flash Lite devices. The notable exception being Wii, which Opera upgraded to Flash Lite 3, which is equivalent to Flash 8, early last Fall. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
That glitch acted halfway between his scenerio, and the scenerio on the remarks section. I purposly installed flash v6 on my laptop, and I could only click a small box sorta surrounding where the "Store" button is, and that was an upgrade link. When I used ALT to select the buttons, it worked, but only the Email and Downloads played the sequence. Strong bad WAS legless. Characters changed the shirt color, but still no picture. When I pressed the small box in front of Homestar's chest, the fade went away, and the buttons were mouse-usable, but still only the same anamations as before. UGoBoom 02:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
All of this may be due to Flash 6 and lower's incompatibility to "blur"ing effects, since it rendered the blur as a grey overlay. The blur had to work with the news and Main Menu selection components, and the incompatibility took those out of the picture. On Main Page 25, the background did not appear, and the new buttons acted the same way as 24's: No text. So that would explain the letter loss on 24. The fact that others along with Loss of Strong Bad's legs is unknown by me. UGoBoom 02:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Fila Logo

Ok, I know the site is under reconstruction, but the Fila logo and everything else is no longer blurred out. Wolf O'Donnel 03:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yep. That's in Main Page 24#Glitches. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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