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{{Main Page Talk}}
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== Domain ==
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''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
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I know I sound like a scunge and all but, I have absolutely no way of paying for a domain. If someone took on this job I would add donation links and all to my website and the whole shibang. I know this is off topic to [http://homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] but this is the only place people view. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 06:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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== sbemail templates ==
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:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
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:I don't think anybody here's going to want to pay for your own domain. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Trogday decor ==
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::You never know, but I really doubt someone will pay for a domain for you. I think for now you should stay with what you've got. As long as your website works and people can use it, it can grow really big. If the site becomes really succesful, popular and have heaps of content, you can then think about getting a domain name and maybe paying for hosting. Remember that the H*R Wiki was originally just a subdomain of Joey's site (hrwiki.joeyday.com), which meant he didn't really pay anything extra for the wiki at first. Start small. It will take even a year to get the wiki fully started and having enough content to be a good resource. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
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:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::Pertmywert, domain names cost about nine dollars for one year.  I think you could realisticly save up for one in a fairly short period of time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
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== How many references do you need? ==
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::::I have no way of paying them though. :( {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 02:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::::[https://www.godaddy.com/ GoDaddy] takes [https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/prepayment/landing.asp PayPal, Checking Account Debit, Credit Cards, and Cash].  Do you have any of those?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Songs archive ==
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::::::Nope. :( {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 03:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::::::Well, some day then.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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== dot dot dot ==
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::::::::I'm pretty sure all you need to sign up for PayPal is a bank account. It takes a bit of work to get it set up, but once it is, it's like an extra account for online transactions. That's all I can suggest. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:::::::::Does Suncorp count as a bank account? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 22:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
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::::::::::Sorry, correction. I'm pretty sure your bank has to have online services. Check your local bank, see if you can sign up for online banking. That's what you need. I know at least Royal Bank of Canada and Scotiabank both support online banking. Most big ones do. Small chains I'm not too sure about though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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::::::::::Actually, just in a brief look at PayPal, I don't think that's the case, just an ordinary bank account will do. But maybe Thunderbird was looking harder than I was. (At any rate, Suncorp does have online banking.) Anyway, if you know your bank account number, take it to PayPal and see what happens! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Editing user pages ==
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:::::::::::LIAR! I have a suncorp account and it does have internet banking. And I am Australian. :P {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 10:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
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Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Um... I imagine you're responding to Thunderbird, but aren't you saying exactly what I said above you? Anyway, congratulations; looks like you're in business. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 10:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Wiki availability ==
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:::::::::::::I have changed my mind. I am gonna stay subdomain for a while. :-) {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 10:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
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For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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== Idea? ==
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:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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I'm not quite sure where to put this idea, so i'll put it here. What about, instead of just the <nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki> tag, we have a matching one for talk pages? Something like: <nowiki> {{talktobedeleted}} </nowiki> or something? The only reason i'm suggesting this is because when you put the <nowiki> {{tobedeleted}} </nowiki> tag on troll talk pages, the link takes you to a Talk:Talk:(pagename) page. If this is a bad idea or we already have something like this or if it's a good idea, let me know. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 18:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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=== Still Slow ===
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:We already have [[Template:talktobedeleted]]. And there's always the multipurpose [[Template:delete]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:09, 15 October 2005 (BST)
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It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Oh, okay. Thank you Venusy. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 18:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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==glitch on the main pages ==
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==I think today's the day...==
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Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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[[Image:2millionpageviews.PNG|thumb|298px|Here's to 2,000,002 more!]]
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:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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'''From the bottom of the main page:''' This page has been accessed 1,997,176 times.<br>
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19:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC)  --  1,997,417<br>
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19:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,997,749<br>
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20:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,998,181<br>
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21:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,998,587<br>
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23:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,999,867 (ALMOST THERE!)<br>
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23:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 2,000,002!!! Hooray!!
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Earlier today, it was only at about 1,995,176 or so. By the end of the day, I think we might break 2,000,000 main page accesses!!! Going by PDT of course, none of this 'offical dateline' nonsense. And no east coast timezone either, I think my prediction needs the extra three hours. It would have been cooler if it coincided with Wikiday, but it's a good general marker anyways. 2 years, 2,000,000 main page views. (I know I'm ignoring the discrepency between starting with Wiki Tiki Tavi and starting main page view counting with Mediawiki). Any any case though, I'm hyped. It's a good marker. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
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:At the rate you're reporting, we will break the 2,000,000 threshhold within three hours. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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::Yea, after my initial prediction, I realized that we just might make it before the official dateline clicks over. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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==New Fan Stumes’!==
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:::At our current rate, we will pass two million between 23:15 and 23:25 UTC. However, we may accelerate or decelerate depending on things like people getting out of school/work and the fact that it's Friday night. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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::::We've been using MediaWiki since 19:45, 16 July 2004 (UTC) [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1], by the way.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Permafrosted logo? ==
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:::::But it was locked for the first three weeks to most common folk, right? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
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The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
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::::::From the date and time listed above until about 17:36, 13 September 2004 (UTC).[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Yay!! Streamers! Balloons! "You are the two millionth visitor! You have won a year's supply of wiki!" Notice it was right in the middle of the window I predicted. :) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Load times and potential solutions ==
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::::::::Yup, nice calculating, Dot Com. That's the closest screen I could get. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
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*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
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I know it's kinda late and all, but I just had to do it :)<br>
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*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
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<center>You're the [[Image:Counter2000000.gif]]th biggest moron, ever.</center>
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*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
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*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
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== Wikipedia article in progress for HRWiki! ==
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*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
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Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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I've laid the foundation for a [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]] article about HRWiki. It's on my user subpage there until it has enough content to make a complete, non-stub article about it.
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:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
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:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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[[Wikipedia:User:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress]] - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
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:EDIT: The talk page for discussion of the article can be found here: [[Wikipedia:User talk:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress]]. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
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== Inactive Admins ==
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Um... the admins AgentSeeThroo, FortyTwo, FurryKef and Stu are inactive, and some of these are the original 5. They haven't made any contributions in months. What happens when an admin goes inactive? Does he get de-admined after a while? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
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:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::Yes, even Furrykef.  Why are you so concerned about this?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::Or if they were to request to be taken off the roster. Then I'm sure JoeyDay would respect their wishes. But I don't think tha'd happen all to often. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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:I don't know why I cared so much, I guess its just awkward to me to have inactive admins. (Everything else I've been a major part of got rid of inactive admins.) But I see why NOT to get rid of inactive admins, so I'll just leave it at that. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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::Stu may be inactive on the wiki, but he's far from inactive on the forum. Many of our admins do important things around here; they just may not be visible to some of our community members. Others are on hiatus for one reason or another. I guess I'm beating a dead horse now, but there's really no need to de-admin them unless we see suspicious behavior. We have high hopes they'll all return someday. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Boy, we must be popular ==
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I just happening to notice while trying to find a really good way to explain to a friend just what a wiki exactly is that if you search the web for the word "wiki" on Yahoo! in suggestions for refining your search near the top of the returns page, '''this very wiki''' is listed second and third! Yay! I guess that means we're doing something good. Or at least popular. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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:Wow, that's amazing! I'm surprised something like Wikiquote isn't third. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
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[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)
, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)
GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

  • Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
  • Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
  • Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
  • HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
  • Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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