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Fun Fact Confirmation Committee (FFCC)

There are soo many incorrect fun facts out there that I think we need a committee divoted to removing said facts. Just by looking arround the random pages makes me want to hurl a brick through my screen. And, once these facts are removed someone just resertes them. Not only that, but people are removing fun facts that are perfectly acceptible. Its annoying! Even the Stuff page doesnt work well. Thus, I propose this committie to have power over what facts stay and what goes. They are given a protocol, and if a fact passes the protocol than committie confirms the fun fact (perhaps by typing confirmed and signing) and removing/stuffing fun fact (maybe put "rejected/stuffed by FFCC" in the comment section) so that way some one has a final word on these fun facts. What does everyone think? -- _{Posted by:} -erson ^Talk 18:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, first off I think you should sign your talk page posts. Second, don't you think this question would be more appropriately asked on the STUFF talk page? If you really want this to happen, Firebird, you need to rally community support. I can't and won't make any executive decisions about things like this. That said, I don't have a problem with a fun fact committee. In fact, I like the committee scheme because it helps people feel useful and needed in our community.

I have my own ideas about fixing fun facts, though, and I'm not sure a committee's going to do it. I've been a quiet advocate of STUFFing the STUFF page and moving fun fact discussions to the talk page for the appropriate articles. On the real crazy toons and emails, perhaps we could have a boilerplate that says something like "Please check the discussion page before adding or removing any fun facts." That's my two cents, and two cents is about all it's worth around here. —

Joey (talk·edits) 17:05, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just popping in to say that Firebird did not write this, it was -erson. Aurora the Homestar Coder 18:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I did sign it, but it was removed... Or maybe I didn't? Oh I cant rmeember. Neway, its signed now. So sorry.-- _{Posted by:} -erson ^Talk 18:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Account Removal

Can I politely ask you to delete my H*RWiki Forum Account? (it's "BurninatorBoombox") I don't want to have two, and I really need to get more involved in the Wiki business. Thanks, MK and/or BurnBox 03:41, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

New Main Page Mockup

Wow. It's like... A mini-wikipedia! Well I sort of like it, but I do like having all the catergories right at a click, including the Wiki stuff, Inside Jokes, ect. Also Quote of the Week, Sketchbook, and Weekly fanstuff are kinda left out. I don't know, to tell you the truth. I do like the featured article idea, but how exactly would that work? Would we have to add the first paragraph or two by hand, or would it be automatic somehow? I like the H*R updates easily there, and a few fun facts would be kinda... well.. fun. Yea, I like it. My main concern is that we're loosing a bunch of the main page shortcuts to pages. Overall though, I think a change would be a good thing to look forward to. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 02:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm certainly not stubborn about the way the categories were done. Drhaggis has some better category schemes on his userpage. I'm certainly open to additional suggestions. —

Joey (talk·edits) 22:53, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Btw, what's with the article? Is it just jibberish, or is it a different language? And if so, why? Also, is there a future plan to replace current main page with said mockup? If so, at what time? Thanks. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 03:20, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Lorem ipsum. -- Tom 03:34, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, or as I prefer to call it, Lipsum. —

Joey (talk·edits) 02:53, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

CSS3 fix

Hi there. I think a[href = "http://www.homestarrunner.com"] {color:green !important;} should fix things for you. For some reason a:visited {color: #5a3696;} takes precedence if the former doesn't have the !important. -- Tom 03:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I just barely thought of that before I read your post. Great minds think alike. Thanks, Tom. —

Joey (talk·edits) 04:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Holy moly, that png is a cool idea. Good work! -- Tom 14:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it's kinda fun. The one thing I'm dissappointed about is it only works in Firefox. Wish I could get it to work in IE, but there are already a few other link stylings that only work in Firefox. For instance, email links look like any other external link in IE. They don't get the cute little envelope image. Something I just thought of: should the h*r image go after the link? Or is it okay before the link like it is now? Seems like putting it after the link would be more correct, since it would be following the established precedent. —

Joey (talk·edits) 15:38, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I think before the link is fine. And too bad for those peeps that use IE, they just won't have the pretty icon. It's not like the icon is necassary for the wiki to function correctly for them. -- Tom 17:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Talk Link/Main Page

Hi Joey, just wondering why your talk link in your sig isn't linked. Is it on purpose? Also, can I expect to see a new main page shortly, or is that jump still a ways away? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:00, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki is smart enough not to create self-referencing links. If you look at my sig somewhere else it has the link, but when I sign a post on this page, MediaWiki automagically removes the link. Pretty slick. —

Joey (talk·edits) 04:03, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

And about the main page, I dunno. We still need to flesh out what links it will have and if we need to build a new "browse" page of some sort. —

Joey (talk·edits) 04:05, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

New Committees / STUFF Reform

Is it alright if we start new committees? I was directed by FireBird to talk it over with you. In particular this would be something of a club that got together to do things together for the benefit of the wiki as a whole. -- The Real Zajac 15:55, 10 May 2005 (PDT)

What kind of committee will it be? I have no problem with any new committees. You should be seeking community support, not JoeyDay support. :) —

Joey (talk·edits) 23:49, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

A committee to monitor the STUFF'd pages, mostly. What I really want to do is add it to the Stick --The Real Zajac 00:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea. What's going on with STUFF anyway? I've been out of the loop on that for a while now. I heard there's talk of disbanding it in favor of using talk pages. Is there pretty good community support behind that?

Seeing as how STUFF may get STUFF'd, the committee should really have a name that doesn't reflect the STUFF idea at all. Does that make sense? The name should be more appropriate to what the commitee will actually be doing. Perhaps "Fun Fact Review Committee"? —

Joey (talk·edits) 03:24, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

If I may throw in my 2 cents, I'd be in favor of using the talk pages instead of a central STUFF page. As it is right now, it is too long (Clanky, too longgg!) and almost un-navigatable.

P.S. Thanks for the welcome note. Didn't know we had a welcoming comittee. And it has a special touch when the owner/admin gives you a personalized greeting. --Rgb9000 03:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S.S. Sorry for turning your talk page into a huge STUFF discussion/debate. I was just trying to agree with you.

I disagree. Having a central STUFF page is vital to the success of keeping track of fun facts. In particular:

If the votes were moved to their respective talk pages, I strongly believe that few users—even the more savvy ones—would be able to scour the recent changes page enough to keep up with what facts were being voted on and where, especially considering that facts on the STUFF page aren't limited to just the newest H*R updates.
On the other hand, a central STUFF location lets a user check just one page and make several votes on different facts at the same time.
A casual voter can check the page as little as once a week and still remain current and influential. Which is what we want in a wiki—the more input, the better.
A side effect of the page is that it makes it easy to get to know the personalities in our community.

With that in mind, however, I'm not saying the STUFF page couldn't use reform. Yes, it's long. Yes, it's disorganized. And yes, it could use some formatting improvements, but that's because it's still relatively young. It's experiencing growing pains. With a little effort, I believe these things can be fixed over time. — It's dot com 18:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but does EVERY SINGLE PERSON who visits the wiki HAVE TO vote on EVERY SINGLE THING that is being stuffed????? It seems to me the talk pages are a better idea, because only when there are too many fun facts should even 1 be considered for deletion. "Virus" was out of hand, therefore it was the spawning point for stuff. Pages that have only a handful of fun facts should never have any content removed in my opinion. --Rgb9000 00:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Joey. I've got a page I'd like you to check out. User:It's dot com/STUFF reform. It took me a long time to create it, and I would value your input. (You can use the talk page there.) Thanks. — It's dot com 04:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I have overhauled my design (just the code, not the look). It is a vast improvement. Plus, the signatures are fixed and there's a new method for revisions. Do you mind taking another look at it? ...Regarding your page, I originally thought about having a two-column format for the arguments, but after trying it I don't think it's as easy to read as a full-width format (especially if the window size is small or the arguments are one-sided). — It's dot com 20:55, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

By the way, we were both editing my talk page at the same time, and so I copied and pasted some of your comments into my revised page to resolve the edit conflict. But part of your comments were in a section that I was removing because of the new version. I just wanted you to know that I didn't mean anything bad by that. — It's dot com 21:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey Joey, it's Dot com. Aurora was wondering whether I was ever going to move forward with my idea to fix up STUFF, and I decided I should. In order to get community approval for my idea, I want to set up a transition page where people can practice the new format before it goes live. Work out the bugs and whatnot. To do that, I think I need to insert a couple of items on the master style sheet page. I asked Aurora whether she could help me or whether I should ask you directly, and she referred me to you. If you would, please see the discussion at the bottom of her talk page. Thanks. {Never mind this for now.} — It's dot com 04:16, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Need Some Validation?

Oh no, I've been VALIDATE'D!!! Actually, thanks alot. I was already planning to switch to the web friendly color code mode quite soon, but that was just the push I needed to get it done. And the old-monitor-friendly meathod is a good idea, which doesn't change it that much at all. Similarly, the little arrow things, I'm glad you figured out how to fix the '?' problem. Thanks for going to so much trouble for my sig. So... Here it is. What do you think? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ (Btw, are my old sigs okay how they are, or would you rather I replace them with my new one if I see them?)

Wow, great sig, my friend! You're very welcome for the help. I'm glad you could understand my poorly-written instructions well enough to put them into practice. Your old sigs should be fine where they are; I don't want you to go to any trouble. I might start replacing them myself on prominent pages, and you're certainly free to replace them wherever you find them if you're up to it, but I won't twist your arm. Thanks for keeping the wiki clean with web standards (not to mention keeping the wiki itself with all your donations). You're a model citizen in my book. —

Joey (talk·edits) 14:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Hm, in replacing your sig on this page, I just realized how long the code is. Can I give you one more suggestion? Have you noticed how I do my own sig? It's actually a template, which means it takes up very little space in the code and I can change it in one place as often as I want. You basically just create a sub-page to your user page (mine is at User:JoeyDay/sig). Then you can include it on a page with {{User:JoeyDay/sig}}. Put that code in the nickname box on your preferences window, and you're good to go. —

Joey (talk·edits) 14:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Say, now that's clever. — It's dot com 16:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, that IS clever. I didn't like how long it was either, but I couldn't really think of any way to fix it. That's just the solution I was looking for. I'll get right on it, thanks. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

There, done. One more bonus to this you didn't meantion, when editing you sig you can see the whole code in one place, on the template page (while editing). Otherwise you only get to see about two dozen characters at a time on your preferences page. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Preference Question

Btw, at the top of my preference page it says that my 'internal ID number is 86'. What's that for? Is that the order I created an account here? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

That's the theory. The internal ID increments by 1 for each new user. I don't understand a whole lot about SQL, so I can't say for sure if your number might be off by one or two in either direction, but it should be pretty trustworthy as a round figure. Someone with more knowledge of PHP and SQL might be able to help you understand auto-incrementing ID numbers. Sorry I can't be more specific. —

Joey (talk·edits) 14:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Yep, Joey's got it right. The numbering almost certainly starts at 0 (i.e. my number is 2, so I was actually the third to sign up). If a user account got deleted, that would leave a "hole" in the ordering, but MySQL doesn't fill in those holes with new accounts and I doubt MediaWiki does, either, so it's a pretty good indicator of where you are in the grand scheme of things. — InterruptorJones 17:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Jones. Holes from deleted accounts were exactly the kind of exeption I wasn't sure about. (It makes sense that the holes shouldn't be filled in. If a user down the road requested a certain record and was handed the wrong thing, that could easily cause confusion.) However, it appears as though — and I vaguely remember — I made some changes to our database very early on. My interal ID is 1 (meaning we didn't start at zero), and there is no user with an internal ID of 5. So, even though Thunderbird's internal ID is 86, he was actually the 85th user to sign up on the wiki since we switched to MediaWiki. —

Joey (talk·edits) 17:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks guys. One more question. Is there a place with a list of all the ID numbers in order, so you can see who signed up when? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Not currently, but I'll add that to my todo list. It shouldn't be too hard to build something that scrapes the database and pulls everyone out in order. —

Joey (talk·edits) 02:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

The Interwiki Links

Do you think there should also be an interwiki link for this wiki itself? It could be used in the Stub template so it doesn't appear as an external link... EDSMILDE

I edited the stub template to add the plainlinks class. That should take the arrow off the link. — Joey (talk·edits) 22:58, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

1000th article

Congratulations on the thousandth article! That's really cool. And a good article too! (But would it be possible to add a sample of each font to it? I think it would be a good addition, but that's far too 'coding' for myself to attempt). But congratulations. I'm jealous now. Although I think I still have you beat with making the last change of the old server, AND the first change of the new one... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 05:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

What's the 1000th article? EDSMILDE

I have it linked from my user page. The thousdandth article is Fonts. —

Joey (talk·edits) 15:28, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

We should do something special to commemorate this milestone. --Rgb9000 00:47, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I know! I'll say 'one thousand', one thousand times. *Ahem*. Ummm... Never mind, it's been done before. We could all mail cakes to Joeyday.... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 18:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

nice lookin picks!!! --djm1791 10:12, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

How do I sign a comment?

Yes,I'm feeling like a blonde right now.But sewiously,how DO you sign a comment?

Hm, I guess it doesn't say how to do that in very many places around here, but it's real easy. Just put four tildes in a row (like this: ~~~~). Three tildes in a row will do your signature without the timestamp, and five tildes in a row will do just the timestamp. You can change how your signature gets displayed using the "nickname" box in the preferences panel. Feel free to ask me any other questions you need answers to. I hope your first few weeks as a registered user have been a good experience. We're really glad to have you around. —

Joey (talk·edits) 21:45, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Thankies! So, tildes? That's what them squiggly things are called? Okie! My first signed comment! Ookelaylay 20:04, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Monday Night Chats?

So how about it? Feel like adding a permanent notice somewhere, or a site notice every Monday evening about a monday night chat on that chat room thing? Is this a good idea? Whaddayathink? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 02:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Uh, I'm a step ahead of you. I've already added a section to the HRWiki:IRC channel page and built a scheduled chat site notice template. —

Joey (talk·edits) 03:13, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh wow. Thanks man, that's pro. Maybe we should tell all the sysops about it, so that there's always somebody to turn the site notice on/off. Unless there's some kind of auto timed on/off feature... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Removal of "Email this user" link on userpages

I notice that users are no longer able to email each other through the wiki. Was this change due to the abuse of email or SPAM activity? One may see why I might be concerned as I currently have a link on my user page (now broken) that goes to a special page "Emailuser" which no longer exists. Did I miss something? —THE PAPER^PREEEOW 18:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I just turned it back on. It must've defaulted to off in a recent upgrade. Sorry for the inconvenience. —

Joey (talk·edits) 18:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

My mission

Hi, i'm here for 3 reasons: 1.To get myself known 2.To get Wagon Fulla Pancakes in the right place! (Yep, that is my mission) 3.To just Suggest, a forums page Thank you! --Dinoshaur 08:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Email

Joey could you email me your email so i have you on msn

My email is at my user page Pertmywert|_{Talk ContributionsFile:Runninghomestar.gif}

Wha?

Sorry for annoying you, but was the site down yesterday for anyone? Because when I tryed to go on the wiki, it said the owners bandwidth was exceeded. Firebird (sorry for draging you in to this) says you're the owner. So, um, I don't know what i'm supposed to expect. An apologie? No, just saying. --Dinoshaur 15:52, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki is a very popular site. We get ~~5 GB~~ about 100 GB of transfer bandwidth per month, but if we use it up before the month ends, then we get the error message that we all (it wasn't just you) experienced. In a 31-day month it's likely that we'll run out of bandwidth. — It's dot com 16:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is accurate except for the "5GB" part. We use about 20 times that amount. — InterruptorJones 17:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh. I was guessing based on the Goleman Networks page that outlines their hosting plans and how much our monthly fee is. I thought 5 GB sounded kinda low... — It's dot com 17:51, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, right, so i'm gonna leave JoeyDay alone now. Goodbye! --Dinoshaur 17:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In relation to the new e-mail boxes

I've noticed that the font in the new e-mail boxes is not quite that of their respective computers, and so I searched for a download of Lappy's font, Glitch0. I haven't the foggiest how to implement it, and I'm not going to risk messing something up trying, so here's a download link for Glitch0, in case it is possible to correct the font for the Lappy: Glitch0 (note that I'm telling you this because you were the one who created the boxes, if I'm not sorely mistaken) Suicune64 01:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that it will only appear as Glitch0 on another person's computer if they have that font installed. «Rob» 06:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah, should have been obvious, don't know why I didn't realize that. Suicune64 11:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The emails are supposed to be in ⟨blockquotes⟩ now aren't they?EDSMILDE

Actually, wait. Is it possible to set up the font-family to have Glitch0 first for if the user has the font, and then whatever other font? EDSMILDE

Web-Friendly Help

In mile, where marzipan says 'I heart that cheat' there's supposed to be a heart in both the transcript and the fun facts section. Because the heart was never a web-friendly heart, it keeps getting changed to a '?'. Would you be able to web-friendly/validate those hearts? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about ♥ (♥)? — It's dot com 05:15, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just what I was looking for, thanks. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 15:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HEY JOEY!!

Can you PLEASE tell me your fax number? -Kinsey

Why does everyone think I have a fax number? I don't have one. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but please mail me your COPPA form. Thanks. —

Joey (talk·edits) 22:49, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unban

Seriously, I need to be unbanned. All the reason Tom gave me is because "you annoy me." I want to be there for the Monday night chat and Trivia Time bot! Please! Homsar999 22:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Protect

Hey joey

Why don't you make your user page protected??? Pertmywert|_{Talk ContributionsFile:Runninghomestar.gif}

Serious Help With The Forum

Joey, no one else has had the power to help. I appeal to you from the bottom of my heart. There is a terrible spammer wreaking havoc on the Forum. He was banned, but then returned under a new name. I was wondering if you could IP ban him so he can never return in any form. I beg you Joey, please help the Forum. --acekirby13|^{My Talk} 01:12, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, someone dealt with it. The spammer hasn't returned since. Thanks to whoever took care of it. --acekirby13|^{My Talk} 20:57, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Out of town

Sorry I didn't say anything about this earlier, but I'm out of town this week. I'm camping in Glorieta, NM with the youth group from my church and won't be home until Saturday, June 25. If there are any questions or comments left here for me I won't see them until then. Have a great week, everyone! — Joey (talk·edits) 19:04, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Any Sysop Answer This, Please!

Hey, guys, at the HRFWiki, 207.69.138.199 is trolling everywhere and the admins aren't online! If any admins are on here, please go there and ban him! It's getting hard to keep up with his trolling! Please. --That Conductor 04:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

207.69.138.199's now blocked. «Rob» 11:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Banned from the IRC chat

I'd like to know why I'm banned from the IRC chat. I seriously don't know why. --Homsar999^{ß 19:40, 24 Jun 2005 (CDT)}

You lost one

http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Rgb9000

I have a question...

Yo Joe, can you explain to me how people become Admins in the first place? -Kinsey

I appointed the original five person admin staff in the early days by virtue of my position as creator and proprietor of the site. Since then, the admins (myself, AgentSeethroo, InterruptorJones, Stu, and Tom) have appointed 9 others as sysops. None of these admins or sysops ever sought power, but were selected for outstanding contributions and activity in the wiki community. Does that answer your question? —

Joey (talk·edits) 17:14, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

She also asked Amanda this same question, and here is that thread. Just FYI. — It's dot com

Needs help

Hey, I was just wondering if you could tell me how to make a table of contents or how to get one on my page. If you would, please either post it on my talk page, or yours.--User:Pomx2

Try putting "__TOC__" where you want the table of contents to go (that's two underscores before and after "TOC"). See also Wikipedia:Section. Note: you can post questions like this on the FAQ talk page. Your actual mileage may vary. — It's dot com 22:02, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Is this really a necessary practice?

I look at bottom 10 and I note that it includes the note of the reference to english paper, the mouth diagram. I then look at english paper, and under Fast Forward is the same fact. I look at boring (really) and see that it notes the reference to lunch special, 'sbu'. But then, I look at lunch special and it's got something to that effect under Fast Forward. This, to me, is rather unnecessary and comes off as unprofessional. I don't deny the usefulness of the Fast Forward section, but excluding those which really belong under Fast Forward, like "The Cheat is Not Dead would later appear on the Strong Bad Sings CD" or "Stinkoman would later become the name of a real character", one must decide whether we have two copies of EVERY Fun Fact or whether we only have one copy of each. Of course, it's obvious that the latter is the preferable choice. As such, not only is the duplication of Fun Facts unnecessary via Fast Forward, but it's also deviation from standard form, another sloppy practice. If some manner of reform could be made, such would make the Fun Facts a little more easy to sort through. Thanks, Suicune64 23:04, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC).

The Fast Forward section of the standards say that "a fact in the Fast Forward category is something of significance in the toon that is re-used later on." If you don't think a fact is significant enough, bring it up on the respective talk page. Also, Joey might not be the best person to discuss this matter with. You might want to try Jay, who came up with the fun fact subcategories, or It's dot com, our fun fact guru. -- Tom 23:37, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What's unprofessional about a forward reference and a backward reference? They're not on the same page. How do we know which one a particular user will see first? Isn't it in the interest of any wiki to have more links, not fewer? — It's dot com 23:49, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's best to avoid clutter. And, as well, as I said, consistent policy strikes me as optimal. Also, some of these are not that significant. Taking the sbu example, for one. If Sbu were to become, say, the inspiration for a song later, then the forwards reference indeed fits the bill of some significance. But I disagree in the current instance. Well, failing that, I guess I can follow that advice, Tom... namely to dispute each individual Fun Fact. Darn. Well, I've got a bit of work tomorrow, then. Suicune64 02:04, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

And concerning my choice of users to ask, I was asking Joey because it would seem to be a matter of policy. And, as well, I wasn't sure at the time, so I knew at least by asking Joey, if he was not the right person, he would definitely be able to direct me to the right person.

Before you flood the STUFF page, why not start at discussion at the standards talk page? Or do a test case. Speaking to your point, I really don't see how one extra line is all that much clutter. And in the case of "sbu", it's a made-up nonword, so I think the reference is justified. — It's dot com 03:47, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I found this to be a losing battle, some time before I worked out the Fun Facts subcategories. Originally, I thought the same thing of Forward References; that they were largely unnecessary. No one agreed. So, although I'm not terribly fond of the concept, when I split the Fun Facts, I added a subcategory specifically for forward references. However, the forward references are still split from the others. If you make a forward reference in the Inside References subcategory, expect a quick DELETED!! --Jay (Gobble) 03:52, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

New Page

I am thinking of making a page called "Unneeded S's" To you think this page will be useful? -- TotalSpace shipGirl 3

Well, off the top of my head it doesn't sound useful at all. Maybe if you explain it a little more I'll get what you're trying to do. Bottom line is I don't decide what's best for the wiki, the community does. You may want to post this question in a more public place like the talk page for whatever category you think "Unneeded S's" should belong to. —

Joey (talk·edits) 15:26, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

yo joe

Did you get my forum registration form yet? -Kinsey