Talk:Homsar

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I'm not happy with the "Homsar Quotes" section. It's not uniform, it's not objective and it's not needed. Who's with me? --Upsilon

Not me- I think all main characters should have it, especially Homsar! -- Asploder

There. Deleted Homsar Quotes, got rid of all the quotes on his page. He already has his own little section in Quotes. He isn't that special. He needs only one page of quotes, just like everyone else. -- FireBird-Talk

Do we realy need the MSN Orbit page of the guy who emailed Strong Bad? It doesn't even mantion Homsar!

Have to tell ya, this article is in need of serious rewrite. 213.169.4.137 07:25, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Re-Write Is Definitely Re-Right

This does need re-writing, it says that "Hi, Wonder Mike!" is "One of the few references to pop culture on H*R", when the whole freaking site references pop culture! Please delete that line, someone, it is really bugging me. This is a wiki, why don't you remove it? nintendorulez 14:04, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

A Song From The Sixties?

Can anyone come up with song references from Homsar's speeches? 'Gravy train' could be a reference to Pink Floyd's 'Have a Cigar' but maybe it's just some of his home-spun wisdom. Also, not a direct quote, but 'a million ladies tall' feels sort of like 'half a century high' ala Phil Ochs. Just some random stabs here, it seemed a lot more cohesive in my mind.

"Gravy Train" is a common phrase meaning getting a lot of money (or something along those lines. Also, Have a Cigar was written in 1975, so it's clearly not a song from the sixties.

Move?

I think this article should be renamed Homsar (Character). The email article should be moved to Homsar (email). --ZekeMacNeil 23:43, 15 Jan 2005 (MST)

We actually used to have the articles titled that way. Then we changed it to the current setup. The titles you mentioned redirect accordingly. -- Tom 02:25, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

A Hypothesis About Homsar's Behavior

I have a hypothesis concerning why Homsar behaves the way he does.

I believe that Homsar was drafted and sent to Vietnam in the late sixties ("I'm a song from the sixties." could be a reference to this because many songs in the sixties were about the war in Vietnam) and there he witnessed some horrible things that resulted in a dreadful case of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). To escape his flashbacks after retuning home he began taking copious amounts of LSD and rapidly became psychologically dependant on it. After a decade or so of this heavy use, Homsar cleaned himself up; but the side effects from the long-term LSD use compounded by his PTSD cause him to be detached from reality much to this day in the form of incorrect visual identification of objects, mental incongruity, and flashbacks to Vietnam (explaining Homsar's frequent screaming episodes).

Some might argue with me about my analysis, saying that Homsar is simply retarded. I admit to you that this might be tempting to say, but if he were truly retarded many of the pop culture references Homsar makes would be near impossible because most forms of retardation limit the individual's vocabulary for such things; and furthermore, retardation does not often result in rampant grammatical structure disjunction and word misapplication, as seen in Homsar's case, especially when compared to the symptoms seen in long-term LSD ex-users.

Submitted By: Eli Mann

I know you thought of some big words and obviously spent some time on this, but really- it's just a cartoon. Not everything needs an explanation. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

Exactly. Interesting hypothesis, but it's a freakin' cartoon!

Course homsar could be based on a figure in the Brother's Chap's life that had those same syndroms. Wedge Antilles

Interesting but unlikely. Homsar is just the standard gibberish-spouting idiot that all cartoons have. The_Pardack

Wow. You really must have thought this out. If people look at this page, they can marvel at it. -Alice

I'm a be an agree: This is pretty unlikely. You sure did spend some good thinking time on it, though. What, did you get bored during math class? :) --65.31.46.157 23:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, you've got too much time on your hands man, it's a cartoon for pete's sake. Besides, this isn't all too likely. He's probably just really weird, I know a dude who acts pretty similar to him in real life. -Ryan

Come on, guys. It's obvious. He's actually a genius that's just trying to hide his true identity by making himself look like a complete moron. It's that simple. -Neverending Soda

My theory is that the head trauma he suffered from the weight dropping on his head gave him some sort of weird amnesiac condition. Check out my full theory here! I command you! --VolatileChemical 09:14, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You're all wrong, Homsar has schizophrenia! --Cocoa

Look, cut the guy some slack. This is a discussion page on an obscure article in the Homestar Runner Wiki - clearly, everyone here has too much time on their hands. Kudos on coming up with a plausible theory, Eli. --mayosolo 04:08, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You got it all wrong. Homsar is a jar of mayonase from the sixties that got left out next to the TV (hense the constant references to old shows) and witnessed the goings on of the kitchen (thus being raised by a cup of coffee). The mayo spoiled and some odd bacteria gegan to grow on it, eventualy evolving into a half-sentient being that can walk and talk, albeit strangely. Given a few centuries, he may hope to attain Homestar's level of inteligence. --The Real Zajac 13:54, 21 Jul 2005 (PDT)

I agree about the Heavy Lourde being Homsar's problem, but I believe it's just brain and/or spinal cord damage, considering it fell on his head. -Mortacai

homsar.com

I don't think this should be listed as "may or may not be by the Brothers Chaps". I checked it out on archive.org, and until February of last year it was a blog site entitled "Home Of My Stories And Rants". I wouldn't be surprised if they shut down after they got a lot of misdirected attention from their name, which would explain why the site now just says "go away"

I've removed this from the article. A quick WHOIS confirms it clearly isn't The Brothers Chaps. -- Tom 11:16, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)

• We're not shut down, we just took a different direction. -John from homsar.com

So, what about Stong Bad? He deserves to be a character... :x

Sensical Stuffs

I think this page should have a list of all the stuff Homsar's said that makes sense, like "Uh, yeah, what eeys eet, Strong Bay-ad?" and "I do as ah'm told." for example. What do you guys think? Poopsmith Z

• No, I don't. It's arguable if what much of Homsar says makes sense (For instance, I think "I do as I'm told" is just Homsarish gibberish despite the fact that it makes some sense in context), and this isn't a page for Homsar quotes—aside from his character transcript (which EVERY character has) this is just a biography page. --Jay (Talk) 17:23, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Plus, everything that Homsar says is in completly perfect grammatical form. All of his sentences are complete and, albeit a bit weird, are normal. Stramstar Hummer

Closed STUFF

What happened?

Diddn't we used to have a list of everything Homsar has said? It can't be that hard to maintain, as he has only had 24 appearences to date.--RatherAnnoying

We used to, but it was decided that just because he doesn't speak normally doesn't mean he deserves a separate section on his character page. See the conversation at the top of this page. Username-talk 20:02, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Talk moved from deleted article: "Homsar's Bowler Hat"

Does this have any real significance? -tapd260

sorta i think --djm1791 02:14, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is becoming a new Coach Z's Z — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs)

Agreed. Delort. - Dr Haggis - Talk 16:37, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Nowaynowaynowaynowaynowaynoway this is awesome.--—↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 18:16, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

If it was baleeted I would just go and make another one along with a new Coach Z's Z. Haw Haw.

Uh, that would not be proper. Is everything okay Darklinkskywaker? -- Tom 18:24, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Why delteat this? Just merge it with Homsar's article. -Giranan

If anything, this page should be deleted because it states something that is speculation as fact - how do we know Homsar's hat has a mind of it's own? - Grover Junior

I'm with Giranan. This hardly needs it's own article. Merge. ---mihoshi 13:38, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is an important part to one of the funniest characters on the website. Keep. Rogue Leader / (my talk)

I think it's cute. Let's keep it. Besides, it wouldn't do any good to delete it as Giranan said. --SaikoRoxi 10:15 PM, July 22, 2005

I'd go with a merge, except I disagree that it "has a mind of its own," because it always seems to follow a particular logic to its flight paths (or orbit) from and back to Homsar's head. I think it usually "takes flight" when Homsar is trying to emphasize something, which is pretty much every time he says anything. Anyway, the hat is an integral part of the character, but probably doesn't need its own page. The Smoking Monkey 17:43, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Oh, come on! Homsar's hat deserves 12 pages! Homsar himself deserves his own wiki!

I sincerely think that this page must not be deleted! This is Homsar's Hat! I mean, the fact that the hat goes flying everywhere is so cool! If an item on Homestar runner has been shown once, and then never even mentioned again, there is no need to even post it! However, Homsar's Hat has been shown with Homsar every single time he is seen on the site! Taking a page about Homsar's hat off this site is like taking Homsar's hat away from him on the official site!

Signed,

DarkMario

No. We've removed pages for individual clothing items before, if only BECAUSE they appear pretty much every time the character in question appears, meaning every single word can be moved over to the (more relevant) character article. --Jay (Talk) 19:10, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

True that and a half. Merge. — It's dot com 19:12, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There is no reason this needs it's own article. If not deleted, it shold be merged. Does Homestar's eyes have it's on article? NO! It's merged. MERGE--bkmlb

Examples in Biography?

Okay, this is coming up fairly consistently in the Biography, so I wanted to pose a question to the people who run the show around here: Do we need specific examples of oddness in interacting with Homsar in his biography? For example, is it appropriate to point out that Homsar called Strong Sad "That Rhinoceros", and quoting Strong Bad's comment about Homsar in interview?

I think the nickname could be found on the page that follows its name. As for the latter, I don't think we need mention that. — Lapper (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

On questions of content, you are one of the people who run the show around here. You know that, right? — It's dot com 00:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand how a wiki works. :) I was referring to those of you with more experience enforcing Wiki standards. Remember, I'm still new here, and this was a grey area. - KieferSkunk 00:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, to answer your specific question, I don't see what harm that info is doing, and it adds a little color. You should probably wait till you get a few replies before considering a question answered. — It's dot com 00:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Huh... so much for consistency. I remember making several edits similar to that in different articles, and most of them were reverted immediately. - KieferSkunk 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess more importantly, I've seen a lot of similar edits get reverted for one reason or another. My reason for changing the line about "That Rhinoceros" was to clarify that Homsar SOMETIMES does refer to other characters by their real names, and I felt the best way to write that was to say "He refers to other characters by random nicknames from time to time". Also, the "conversations" example seemed redundant and unnecessary to me, and like I said, I've seen things like that get zapped pretty consistently in the past. That's why I brought this up. - KieferSkunk 00:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure the version of the page I reverted to is the best one. All I'm saying is that, as long as you've asked for input, you should give people a chance to respond. It might turn out that more people want that stuff gone than want it kept. Consistency is a tricky thing around here, because it all depends on what you ask and, probably more importantly, when you ask and whom you ask. — It's dot com

By the way, other than when he was introduced, when has Homsar called someone by their given name? — It's dot com 00:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

In Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0, when he thanks Marzipan for the flowers. - KieferSkunk 00:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow. I just listened to that, and Homsar was so... normal sounding. Weird. But you gotta consider the context: that answering machine was released when the Strong Bad Emails were still in single digits, and was only Homsar's second appearance—before his personality was developed at all. — It's dot com 01:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow. All this discussion because I put examples in Homsar's Biography? Trippy. I just thought it would be nice to have some specific times he is being strange rather than just stating it. Just saying someone is wierd isn't nearly as effective as citing examples, but that's just my opinion. In response to It's Dot Com, yeah, Homsar does sound way too normal in that answering machine. He's almost...intelligable. Freaky. Anyway, just stating my reasons. thanks! --Jeff J. W.(Talk·Contribs) 01:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Heya Jeff. Just wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was trying to pick on you there - I wasn't. I guess we just disagree on the specific-examples idea, so I was posing the question to a larger audience. - KieferSkunk 19:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Up-side Down

I just realized. Homsar's stood upside-down twice in the Field before! His character video, and A Folky Tale! A coupla more times and we's gots a running gag! Cheatachu72

He also stood on the top of the screen in Halloween Fairstival, but it's more an element of his character than a running gag. - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

separate pages

I dont know where to put this, so I'll just put this here.

It looks messy how it is right now, not just on Homsars page, but on all the other characters' pages. The fun facts seem a bit out of place on the characters pages, but they'd fit just fine on a character videos page. Anyone with me? — _talk Bubsty _edits 21:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we need separate pages. — It's dot com 21:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense Incarnate

Just opening this thread to discuss the phrase "Nonsense incarnate" (Homsar is nonsense incarnate). My understanding is that "Person is X incarnate" is grammatically correct, and that it means the concept X is embodied in Person. The most common real-life use of this phrasing I'm aware of is "Person is the Devil incarnate" - usually to refer to an unruly child, a particularly heinous criminal, etc. I have, however, NEVER heard the phrase "Person is the Devil incarnated" (past-tense). Anyone wanna discuss this? —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

That's how I understand and use it. I've never heard past tense either. --DorianGray

The reason I brought it up is because I reverted this edit, but I don't know for sure that the phrase "nonsense incarnated" is INcorrect. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that edit and figured that to be the reason. I dunno if that one's incorrect, but I do know that the first one IS correct. Go with what you know. --DorianGray

Meh, I learn something new every day. (: --Jonnny 19:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Accent?

Does anyone think Homsar's thick southern accent should be mentioned?--Jnelson09 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

To me, it doesn't really sound much like a southern accent {even though I live in the south). I think Homsar just has an accent all his own. — Has Matt? (talk) 00:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I live in the South as well, and I don't have that accent, but some people around me do. Anyway, southern or not, do you think it is worth mentioning? --Jnelson09 20:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope; it's not so much an accent as a "voice," in the way that all H*R characters have distinctive voices. I seriously doubt that any particular geographical location could be linked to Homsar's speech patterns (or, if so, I wanna go there right now!) —AbdiViklas 20:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hidden message

Why is there a hidden message in the caption for Homsar that says "DO NOT CHANGE THIS. The revert wars are getting tedious"? — Has Matt? (talk) 23:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)