Talk:Portmanteaus

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Contents 1 Name of article 2 Duplication? 3 Unportant? 4 Appletini 5 Kansattica? 6 Piemonade 7 Senor Cardgage! 8 Bedtime story 9 addition 10 Order? 11 Vantastic 12 Tmesis - include? 13 Portmanteaux 14 Pretendous 15 Shinoligans 16 Sbemail

Name of article

There's something not-quite-right about the title. Looking closely at various articles and dictionaries, I think the name of this page should either be portmanteau words or blends. — It's dot com 03:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Portmanteau

"Portmanteau word" was the original phrase used to describe such words (as listed in dictionaries published as late as the early 1990s), but this has since been abbreviated to simply "portmanteau" as the term (and the type of words it describes) gained popularity.

--phlip ^T_C 03:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I see. — It's dot com 03:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Duplication?

A lot of this is already covered in Strong Bad's Spelling ... Spell4yr 19:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Unportant?

Is this simply a truncation of "unimportant", or is it a form of portmanteau? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Appletini

I don't think that Appletini should count. It's already a portmanteau in the real world, not invented for H*R. Elvis

I agree. I order Appletinis on a regular basis; and it's not "unique to the HR universe" as the list would have us believe. Cyndentia

Kansattica?

I think it's a portmanteau, but of "Kansas" and WHAT? ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 20:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Many things are called Attica. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 21:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Piemonade

I think piemonade should be on this list.

Senor Cardgage!

What the, why aren't any of Senor Cardgage's lines on here? Who can forget such classics as "Oh, excardon me." and "Many combolations Elizagerth"! Those are classics, man. I'll just list them here:
Extardon me: kind of cool
Many combolations Elizagerth: flashback
Alonzo Mourning to you, Myrtlebeth: alternate universe
Free canceltation: Senor Mortgage
The state of Kansattica: Theme song

You know, you can edit that page as easily as this one. Jut maintain the format, and get the links right (use preview) and be sure to be able to explin each one. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  01:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Bedtime story

What about shock-you-mentary!

I think that's actually a pre-existing word... --DorianGray

addition

what about coughiversary. it was in a teen girl squad

Order?

The portmanteaus on this page appear to be in a rather random order, unless I'm missing something. If I'm not, could we agree on an order to use? Alphabetical seems most logical to me, although I suppose we could go chronological by appearance. Heimstern Läufer 22:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

On most pages I'd go with chronological order, but it may take too much time as old ones seem to pop up from time to time. Alphabetic order with a good ol' horizontal TOC. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 05:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical makes more sense to me, as a word-related list. --DorianGray

I alphabetized them. — It's dot com 19:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Vantastic

I don't want to screw up the format of this page, so can someone else add in "Vantastic" from Strong Bad is a Bad Guy? kai lyn 19:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Done'd. Copypaste is an easy way not to screw up the format. --DorianGray

I guess. But you didn't, considering the link was incorrect. — Lapper (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The link can fix itself. --DorianGray

Thanks! kai lyn 01:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Tmesis - include?

As examples of tmesis are included here regularly, and as they and portmanteaus are lexicographically related, ought we open this page to tmesis, as Acronyms and Initialisms is open to both? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It sure beats removin' them each time. --DorianGray

The question is whether this opens a Pandora's box. Are there other constructions which are similar to portmanteau and tmesis which might be offered? Which would be a better title: "Portmanteaus and Tmeses" or "Portmanteu and similar words"? Or other? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say they're all neologisms(although I think this has been argued and defeated previously . . . here at least): portmanteau, tmesis, conflations, minced oaths, newspeak, humorous mispronunciations, and arguably even eponyms can all fall under that catagory. - ISTC 03:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Portmanteaux

Where did that spelling come from? Retromaniac 17:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The French. "Portmanteau" is a French word, after all. --phlip ^T_C 11:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Pretendous

The article says pretendous is a portmanteau of pretend and tremendous. I've always thought it was pretend and pretentious, which makes more sense in the context both times it is used (for reference, see Fan Costume Commentary and extra plug (easter egg)). I'd make the change myself, but everything I do ultimately turns out to be wrong, so I'll scrape up some feedback first. 16BitJorge 01:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I dunno... it seems like both tremendous and pretentious are pretty much synonymous... So, Ima go with tremendous, because it's the entire word "pretend", and then then "dous" of tremendous that get meshed together at the D. Bluebry 01:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shinoligans

Seems to me like shenanigans and hooligans (deceitful confidence trick plus unruly and destructive behavior) would make more sense than the current version of shinola and shenanigans (shoe polish plus deceitful confidence trick). Especially based on quote's context. -- Tom 07:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The context of the quote does not support your theory, Tom. The word "shinola" makes more sense because of the context it is used in. "Hooligan" usually refers to a person. --ISlayedTheKerrek 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

People on Homestar Runner often mispronounce words such as several Foreign Words. I sill think shinoligans was just Crack Stuntman mispronouncing shenanigans. He keeps on mispronouncing the character he the the voice of (Gunhaver). This is just a big mis pronounciation. Homestar-winner 21:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Tom's theory fits the context better, as there's no reason I know of for "shinola" to be mentioned here. Heimstern Läufer 21:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think either theory fits. If the portmanteau was "shenanigans" and "hooligans", they probably would have pronounced "shin" as rhyming with "bin" or "win". — Has Matt? (talk) 22:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right, but it seems like people are unaware of the significance of 'Shinola' .... a quick trip to wikipedia will make it clear why that word's in the common parlance.

And in said case, I've heard "shinola" substituted for the four-letter word in that case. And all you have to do is look at the pronunciation. SHY-noligans. Proof right there. You think it's shenanigans and hooligans? The evidence that you're wrong is right in the pronunciation. --ISlayedTheKerrek 18:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sbemail

Shouldn't sbemail be on this list? 74.112.119.229 17:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

-No, because it's not a portmanteau. All it is is a combination of Strong Bad's initials (not a word) and the word email. It has to be a two word combo for it to be a portmantau. --ISlayedTheKerrek 15:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)