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[edit] Wrong Abbreviation

Interestingly, MO is the abbreviation for the state of Missouri, not Montana. Montana's is MT. 12.217.63.110 06:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It's already been mentioned in the article :-) Loafing 06:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
If you click on the easter egg a second time, "idiot and" is crossed out and replaced with "Mike is" (so the message reads: "Mike is a moron!") and Montana has changed into Missouri. Sir Vimes 00:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure the e-mail author wasn't the one that's wrong/an idiot? Considering that Idaho is nowhere near Missouri but is next to Montana.--Big Dog 00:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
That makes no sense. TBC are the ones that made the animation depicting the wrong state; they even poked fun at themselves over it. Why would the e-mail author not know her(?) own state's abbreviation? -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 00:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Because they're kids and accidentally typed the wrong abbreviation, I would guess. Wouldn't surprise me in the least, and it's not like MO isn't the abbreviation one would assume for Montana, obviously. This is speculation, of course, but to me it would make more sense for them to be from adjoining states than two totally unrelated ones.--Big Dog 00:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
But even if Jules is from Montana, why would TBC know that, and make the Easter egg accordingly? The fact remains that the email says MO, and unless the original email some kind of "PS: the MO is for Montana" that TBC edited out (which we'd have no way of knowing, but I consider unlikely), that's all the info they have... so the mismatch between the email and the Easter egg is all TBC's doing. --phlip TC 00:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I would say they both made the same mistake, and since Idaho is next to Montana, it's not an unreasonable assumption. Again, it's pure speculation on my part, so I'm not arguing we should necessarily change the article, I'd just say that it's likely the mistake originated not with the Bros. Chaps but with the e-mail authors.--Big Dog 00:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The only flaw in that theory comes with the fact that, well, this is the internet. It's not like they have to be close, geographically, to each other or anything. The e-mail says "MO", and the Easter egg was of Montana. That, and the change to "Mike is a moron", suggests to me that TBC are the ones that made that goof. That said, we don't *know* the senders are kids, and it's silly to claim that *they* made the mistake and not TBC. They aren't perfect. They do make mistakes. And it seems to me that they fessed up to this one right away. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 01:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
My point is that we don't know who originally made the mistake, but that it's as likely the originators of the e-mail as the Brothers Chaps based on what little information we have.--Big Dog 02:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the email address was from a domain that the senders owned, then TBC could have done a whois. Plus, Idaho and Montana are near each other. If one of the senders is from Idaho, and the other says MO, one can assume they mean Montana due to the placement of Idaho and Montana in the US (right next to each other)
I fail to see what the relative locations of the states have to do with anything. My best friend lives in Canada, and I live in Oregon. They aren't especially close together, now, are they? I *really* don't see where TBC are so omnipotent that they're above making any kind of mistake like this (especially when *they confessed to it*; have you *seen* the updated Easter egg?), and you're just insulting the senders by suggesting *they* made the mistake. There's no "speculation" here. When TBC themselves correct a mistake with "Mike is a moron", it sounds to me like *they* made the mistake. Far, far more likely than a couple girls mistaking one of their home states for another, or TBC changing it for comedic purposes (especially considering the "we screwed up" Easter egg wasn't there originally). Jeez. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 03:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll say this - I think that TBC acknowledging their error in the toon speaks for itself. If there's no solid evidence to the contrary, I'm going to say the submitters meant MO for Missouri. The absence of any real clues to the contrary make it speculative to assume THEY screwed up the abbreviation. The one piece of circumstantial evidence is the proximity of Idaho and Montana, but as was said above, this being the 21st century and all, that's no proof. They could be cousins living in different states, for example, of friends where one moved away. Who knows. It remains unnotable in the article. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 22:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Lyd, being the first person named in the e-mail, is likely the sender. It is possible that he/she doesn't know the state abbreviation for his/her friend. However, based on the lack of other mistakes in the e-mail, I would say this person is well-educated, so let's give him/her some credit for that. And if Jules was able to proofread it, then let me say that there is no way he/she got the abbreviation wrong. We Montanans is smart folks. =] And anyone living in Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota or Mississippi wouldn't make the mistake, either. OptimisticFool 01:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
If this was the case, then why would they say that Mike is a moron? They're taking blame. That's why they're mocking themselves.

Hey I have proof that the sender mixed up the abbreviations. Gimme a second to find it.76.125.100.135 02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Here it is: http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5377&page=3 One more thing. The page before it explains the rest.76.125.100.135 02:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Email song

What was there before was clearly wrong, but I'm not sure my version is any more right. Thoughts? --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

With my headphones, what I hear is "Strictly checkin' emails in 2008, strictly ?? Strong Bad fit to regulate." I'm not sure on the "strictlies" but I'm pretty much confident on "fit to regulate". --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's "fit to regulate", too. Danny Lilithborne 07:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought he was saying "chicky chicky emails". Homestar-Winner (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was "I busy checkin'" TheThin 20:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Okay for Moms

This is an inside reference to the garage sale email where Strong Bad says prounouncing "garage" like "garbage" is for mom's only.

No, I think it's more Strong Bad trying to come up with ways to refer to people's posteriors to his own mother. Note that his list is "Okay for Mom" not "Okay for Moms". --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 10:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "The bill itself uses eight trees' worth of paper"

Do you think this line and the stack of bills is a reference to 300-page iPhone bill which was popular in last August? I think it fits well with Strong Sad's new iTem. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

That line I think is a more general play on how the use of paper is equated to the number of trees used to make it, which would fit the entire "environment" theme. The same goes for the number of acres that are burned down for every time the Lappy is fired up. wbwolf (t | ed) 17:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the parent. This definitely could be a reference to that phenomena. TBC are not limited to referencing one theme in an email -Jdhannan 18:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Green computing?

Anyone here thinks the logo of the computer with the leaf is a reference to logos such as this? I also suggest reading Wikipedia:Green computing just for the heck of it. Really interesting stuff. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 16:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but a very vague one. It's an amalgam, designed to evoke the recurrent motifs of various official and unofficial environmental "certification" logos. And at the same time it pokes at the lip service that industry tends to pay to such issues, seeming to think that cliché rebranding (e.g., adding a leaf) is the most important piece of their strategy. The arc at the top does resemble Energy Star, but it probably resembles a lot of other things as well. While the leaf to me first recalled the logo for Ford's hybrid cars, but I'm sure there are plenty of other logos using a leaf for environmental purpose. Also, the blue arrow makes me think of an ecological diagram from a science text. You know, like the Water Cycle, or the Flow of Nutrients, or something like that. All very vague, but still evocative. --TheNicestGuy 17:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bills, Bills, Bills

Is that writing on one of the stacks of bills a reference to the Destiny's Child song? — kentyman 20:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

That was the first thing I thought of, and I don't know of any other reason they'd write it three times.

It wouldn't be the first time TBC have had bizarrely-phrased messages like that. Mr. Basso 06:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, some IP thought the same thing. However, it's just a common phrase; an exclamation of annoyance at getting nothing but, well, bills, bills, bills in one's mailbox. Something I've heard all my life. The song is most likely just based on that. It's probably not a reference. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 08:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 17 hours

has anyone waited 17 hours to see if strongbad will press the send key?--68.150.17.145 19:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's been seventeen hours yet. Awexome 19:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I had the same thought, but I checked in the decompiler... there's nothing there to make something happen after 17 hours. --phlip TC 03:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Best Video Game I've Ever Played

Is this a running gag now? Awexome 19:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, it IS. Check it out! but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!!

[edit] Too Much AL

yeah, we don't need two "Al Gore is a reference to Al Gore" explanations, so i'm sticking them together and moving them to real-world references --Zatchman 20:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad's iPhone

is strong sad's "sustainable mp3 player" an iphone, or maybe a ipod touch? --Zatchman 20:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it's an iPhone, because the iPhone has more icons on its home screen then the iPod Touch. That probably wasn't so clear, so if you look at this picure of an iPhone [1], you will see it looks more like Strong Sad's then an iPod Touch [2] --Biscuithead1293 01:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The iPhone also has a silver border, while the iPod Touch has a black border. The Goblin!! 05:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Disagreed. The iPhone has a speaker, while Strong Sad's player doesn't. That's pretty essential for a phone. Loafing 20:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding that, a detail that small would not be worth putting in. If they put the speaker in, they might have well have put details on the icons. The Goblin!! 22:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
As for the colour, there are images that show a silver border for the IPod touch. TBC could have modeled Strong Sad's iPod after those. And it's the speaker that makes a phone a phone rather than the colour. Also, why would TBC put an iPhone on the podstarrunner page? Image:podstarrunner.pngLoafing 22:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
iPhones can play music too, and they just showed Strong Sad holding one.--Biscuithead1293 22:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Why does it have to be one or the other? It's clearly a cultural reference to the latest technology, which we've seen a lot of on H*R. While I'm generally inclined to say that it's probably an iPhone because it's become such a ubiquitous tech reference these days, I think leaving the comment as being "either an iPod Touch or iPhone" is more than sufficient, if the comment is even necessary.--Big Dog 22:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I agree a lot more with Loafing. The fact that Strong Sad called it an "MP3 player" and not "smart phone" or "mp3 player and smart phone" strongly suggests that TBC did in fact intend it to be just an mp3 player (and the latest one at that). Not only that, the mp3 player is detailed enough to have a speaker at the bottom, if it was a phone, there's enough space to put a tiny speaker on top, which I would venture to guess that TBC would have drawn. Therefore, I think it would be more appropriate to say that it resembles the iPod touch instead. --Stux 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding your comment about there being a speaker at the bottom, that is a button, not a speaker. The thing is, most peopl emay recognize that as an iPhone, just because of the general shape. More people identify the iPod as the classic iPod, instead of the touch. I don't know about other people, but if I wanted to identify it as an iPod, I'd use the iPod Classic. The Goblin!! 21:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More new graphics

Did anybody notice that Strong Sad had more shading than usual? -Me.


[edit] The SB with a deep voice

Strong Bad seems to have a deeper voice, but I'm not 100% sure because I haven't really watch SB Emails on my own Lappy, normally I watch on the desktop PC we have for recreation purposes and I think it may just be my speakers. Anyone else hearing it? Stinkoblade 01:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I gave it a new title since I haven't gotten any responses. Stinkoblade 03:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mike's a what now?

I don't see the "Mike is a moron" Easter egg... and I doubt it's a cache issue, as I'm currently on a computer that has not watched the 'toon yet. I'll try cache-clearing anyway... --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 01:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No dice. I'll... check it at home later? --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 01:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Works fine for me, after cache-clearing. --phlip TC 01:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
To comment on your History update, no, I usually don't. Well, not on my main computer. I usually don't check H*R from work, but I just had to see if this was true. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 02:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I just saw it on my Wii. You have to click the picture of the "moron". It turns red from its green and changes states. Do it.
My work computer wasn't working at all. I can see it now just fine, and I didn't even have to mess with my cache. (It's all the better as I used to live in Missouri. ;) --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 03:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Environmental Activist

"The exclamation "Al Gore's beard!" is reference to 45th Vice President of the United States and noted environmental activist Al Gore, who after losing the 2000 presidential campaign famously grew a beard and went into seclusion for a short period of time before refocusing on the environment"

Al Gore is focused on the environment? Oh, wait, you must have been joking. Good one. --~That Guy Over There (User talk:That Guy Over There)
He won the Nobel Prize for it, so.......yeah. I thinks they be serious, even though he has a huge electric bill. Stinkoblade 03:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I thinks they be seriously fooled by his eco-blabbing hypocrisy. My point is, he's known for being an "environmental activist," when really he doesn't give a crap about the polar bears. But hey, seein' as how this whole website is an attempt to catalogue apparently meaningless facts about an internet cartoon, I guess there's no sense in you letting my political views stop you from putting whatever you want about Al Gore on the article. :) --~That Guy Over There (User talk:That Guy Over There)
I wonder how he got the Prize, I had a buddy in High School that searched the internet for like 3 hours and found copies of his gas and electric bills for 1 month. I think it exceeded like $30,000(US) combined. I have never been big about the "Eco-hype", I recycle and thats about it. As for it being a valid reference, TBC probably think he is an activist because of his Nobel, that's why they had someone say it. Adding it here does not reflect the views of members, just shows the most likely reference to the real-world. Stinkoblade 03:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Do we know his house isn't on solar? Or wind? $30,000 of wind is still just wind.
This isn't really what the talk page is for. Beyond establishing what they said and its potential implications in the cartoon, the rest of this would seem to be more fitting for the forum.--Big Dog 17:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Gore being a "noted environmental activist" is factual, regardless of your politics or opinions on his "green-ness". The fact as quoted above is not POV. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but the forum's full of "LOL best snemail ever but it would be even better if he sang a song about the sibbie again then h%r returend his fondue pot"
Well then, be the motivator for change. Will posts continue in that direction? YOU DECIDE... Oh, and don't forget to sign your posts.--Big Dog 06:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GreenPeace Logo

  • GreenCheat's logo resembles that of Greenpeace.

Does it? It seems like a reasonable claim, but I can't find any evidence to back it up. -ReverendTed 03:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relevance

this might be the most culturally relvant email TBC have ever done. just puttin' that out there. — 75.31.77.54 (Talk | contribs) 03:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC) (left unsigned)

The forums are better suited for this type of comment. OptimisticFool 04:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Nah, it's not that bad. That comment invokes an investigation into past behaviors of TBC and how, if it all, they changed with this email. (Something which the wiki people are better at doing, let me tell you that. *wink*) Forum comments are more of a, "Very good, 4/5, I liked this part and that part..." —BazookaJoe 07:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Its almost worth a mention, I think. TBC have said they don't answer emails that have any cultural relevance. However, environmentalism is hardly a new thing or especially relevant right now -Jdhannan 21:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Given the not-too-serious treatment they give it, I don't think it's that far outside their norms. Heimstern Läufer 06:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Sure it's culturally relevant if you call poking a finger in the eye of environmentalist wackos culturally relevant.--Mycroft Holmes 01:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greencheat

Can anyone tell me what exactly the Greencheat logo says? The top of it's obscured by The Recycled Paper 2.0. (More importantly, what exactly is it a spoof of? And shouldn't this go under "Goofs", come to think of it?)--Tenka Muteki 22:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The text reads as follows: "The Cheat A Tree", "Um, Plants?", "Green", and, at the bottom, "Greencheat". It comes up in front of the New Paper for me. --DorianGray 22:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe he hasn't been painted

How do we know The Cheat was painted green? Maybe his fur just turns green when it gets drenched in sweat, or due to some other natural effect of overexertion. Seahen 05:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's too speculatory to say that. The roughness of the colourisation (particularly how he's still yellow around the edges) shows it's likely artificially done. It also bears resemblance to the time The Cheat dressed as Homestar more than any time he's actually turned green. --DorianGray 05:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with DorianGray --Pistols For Pandas 15:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release date

I know the email was released early, but was it released late Sunday night or early Monday morning? [3] --Stux 05:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It was technically Monday when I first watched it. It was only about 12ish, EST (same timezone as TBC). --DorianGray 05:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Last-Modified: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:56:20 GMT - it was released 3 and a half minutes before midnight, Georgia time... so technically Sunday, but only just. Even if you watched it just as it came out, it'd be Monday by the time it was finished. --phlip TC 05:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Cool! So where did you fish out that information? HTTP headers? Anywho, I guess 3 minutes before midnight is still technically Sunday... unless their clocks were off... by at least 3 mins 41 seconds... behind the NIST atomic clocks. Is there any way to ask the server what its current time is and compare it to the WWV signal or the Primary Atomic Reference Clock in Space scheduled to launch later this year? (Blame me clicking on semi-random stuff for that one :) ). That way we'd know how accurate their time is and really know if it's Sunday or Monday. ^_^ A bit much isn't it? :) --Stux 15:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the HTTP headers for the HTML file (the Last-Modified date on the SWF is later, when they added the "Mike is a Moron" egg and such). Looking at some of the other HTTP headers (specifically Date) it looks like the server is slow by about 40 seconds (compared to some random NTP server)... so it was really released about 3 minutes before midnight. --phlip TC 05:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Sweet! I didn't know if you (or someone else) would check for the time difference but I should've known better! ;) I must know what software you use to read the HTTP headers, or do you telnet into the server and make the requests yourself? :) Oh, I guess the browser's info page does some of that, but only for HTML pages. --Stux 13:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
curl -I http://whatever. I used to use a hacked-together perl script to do the same thing, but curl's easier (and probably more reliable). --phlip TC 07:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] So...why were they doing it?

I believe that what Marzipan and Strong Sad are saying about the Lappy are false. For one thing, Homestar is just overloading the power trying to play his video game, and he doesn't know it. Also, how can just one battery burn down that much rainforest? I think that the ghosts of Strong Bad's previous two computers are dissatisfied with how he got rid of them, and are using other people to get the message that "Strong Bad should get rid of the Lappy" to him. It would be clearer if either Marzipan or Strong Sad said "Why'd you get rid of the Compy and the Tandy? They were eco-friendly!" So...Why do you think the Lappy is being pickited?

It's a conspiracy <_<. But in all seriousness, you are thinking through it too much. It doesn't have to be realistic. The statement that they made about the rainforest and Homestar losing power is just a joke on exaggerated claims made by some enviromentalists. In regards to your suggestion of the way the scene could've gone: sure, its a good idea, but theres no point in stating it now, because the toon is already made, and TBC doesn't go back and edit large parts of their toons at all, let alone based off of one viewer's input. --Master Riouu 02:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
in any case, this is forum talk. — DeFender1031*Talk 02:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capital I's!

Maybe we should add this to the remarks or something, but I saw no lowercase i's typed by strong bad.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the whole lowercase i thing was because the font they were using as Strong Bad's handwriting doesn't have an uppercase I.--Big Dog 06:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Boat Take?

What does this mean even? It's used more than once (OK, twice), but it makes little sense in either instance. Anyone know what the heck it means?

[edit] Atari/Nintendo reference

Edited, because the previous version's wording made it seem as if the NES used a joystick. --68.165.226.227 23:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Here's one...

The message "PLEASE INSERT GAME PAK, KID!" is referencing that the mahjority of people who play video games are children. - Gtxm78 Its Brown 22:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

... This is a joke and not really a proposed fact for the page, right? --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 22:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] is it?

is it referencable to say the "green cheat" easter egg is was made a patch at the store? Meme3 06:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hamster cage+ball+wheel...PATTERN HERE ANYBODY?

I think now that hamster peripherals could be deserving it's own mention in HRwiki. -ME!

[edit] sticker picture?

can we please get a picture of the environmentally compliant sticker?

[edit] Commentary being handled.

Hey, just popping in to say that I am currently writing up the DVD commentary transcript. It is about 1/3 done, give or take, so I added the transcript section. It should be up within the week. - Glittery Taupe 04:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at {{inprogress}}. If you'd like to put down what you have so far, feel free, but claiming sections to work on later is generally discouraged. but from what i've seen, it is only enforced on brand new cartoons, like when Jay demonstrated proper usage of the template in the infancy of Doomy Tales of the Macabre. (Glittery Taupe - If you're set on not adding anything until you're finished with it all, the remainder of this talk post doesn't apply to you right now. -TKWSN) Also notice that those two edits occurred ten minutes apart. but since this isn't a new toon anymore, I don't think the community will be quite as strict as Jay was when DTotM was a day old. If you decide not to use it at all, which i loosely recommend, I can't guarantee that no one will finish it in front of you, but i'm confident that that isn't likely to happen. If you do decide to use it, i'm honestly not sure if the note "to the person working" in that template applies here or not. The Knights Who Say Ni 05:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Transcript is taken care of. I did just add it all at once, well mostly. I had the {{inprogress}} up for a little bit, but now it's taken care of. Got any other concerns/tips for me, feel free to post them. I'm new to wiki editing, so any type of practice is good for me. Glittery Taupe 23:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't have the time to look it over right now, but just as a note {{transcriptinprogress}} is a more appropriate template; it's a more specific version of {{inprogress}}. Soiled Bargains (talk|ctrb) 02:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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