Talk:No Hands On Deck!

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What does "in progress" mean?

Folks, please note the {{inprogress}} template - Thunderbird is already working on the transcript, and rather than have him and everyone run into endless edit conflicts, please respect the template. K? Thanks. There are other sections we can work on. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  16:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, only reason I messed with it was because of some sloppy edit undoing what Thunderbird started. --Jay (Gobble) 16:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Understood. I'm waiting for the notice to go down to correct the image extension from PNG to png myself. It was right at one point... - Qermaq - (^T/C)  16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Meh. Whatever. It's not like it was pretty much my only chance to ever do an actual transcription of a visual toon. I'm sure I'll have another chance in another two years of wiking or so. Though it is darn annoying when you spend 10 minutes transcribing a toon, only to find out that one edit prior, somebody else already transcribed the same section, despite the in progress template. Maybe if I hadn't actually bothered to look for the Cardboard Marzipan precident, I would have got my revision out first. Oh well, I guess fastest transcriber wins, or something like that. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 16:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Nobody wins when it's a contest in someone's mind. We're here to serve the HRWiki first, our pitiful little egos second, and slipshod work that has to be rewritten is less valuable to this user than a careful edit which lasts, all other things being equal. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  17:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, but I think there's some merit to combining the best elements of two edits as well if there are important differences between them. -Unknownwarrior33 20:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

True, but what we were discussing was the "screw-the-other-guy" push to be the one who can transcribe the toon (presumably to brag about it on a user page). That's a little different. Observing the {{inprogress}} is important, wouldn't you agree? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  20:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, of course. What I meant was that if an edit conflict ends up happening, we should make the best of it. But I totally agree that the progress tag is important, and I apologize if I was confusing. -Unknownwarrior33 07:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Feeding ducks through a tube

This is probably a reference to force-feeding geese in order to harvest their livers for foie gras. This has come under attack by animal rights activists recently.

Yup, see No Hands On Deck!#Explanations. Thanks. -- Tom 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Added to main page?

lol the toon came out the morning but its not on any of the main pages but it iz in the toons menu iz this the 1st thime that's happened? Rabb-^Talk!

It is on the main pages, all of them.... Salty^Talk! 18:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I see "New Short Toon" in a red oval... clear your cache? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  18:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

But will it play in Chicago?

I question the relevance of the mention of Chicago's ban on foie gras. One, this toon is not made near Chicago; while it's a story on the news all over, it's not directly relevant to Atlanta. Two, they started this days ago, and the comment fits neatly into Marzipan's character even if there was no Chicago news today. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't include that bit when I first wrote the fact because I didn't know about it. Heck, I didn't even know about foie gras until I did some research on tubes and ducks. When I saw the bit about the Chicago ban was added then removed and then re-added, I beefed it up a teesy bit, but I can probably take it or leave it. What do others think? -- Tom 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify - the tube bit is clearly a reference to foie gras and the controversy. It's just the specific tie-in to today's news from Chicago that seems a stretch. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I support this fact. TBC said in interviews that what they like most about doing cartoons on the internet, is that they can change stuff in the last minute. Maybe Marzi used to say something else, and was changed in light of the Chicago thing. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I like it. csours 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

There was an article in our paper about the impending ban three weeks ago, so they could easily have heard about it by toonmaking time. If not a reference, I'd bet it's at least inspired by the ban.Trelawney

The Chicago story was on the front page of cnn.com this morning (possibly earlier too). Trey56 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not Rapaport

I swear, they do this because we debate this stuff. Remember the "Mr. Chechov" controversy? Well, here we are again.

Now that we have an egg showing the spelling of "Rappaport", is it a reference to Michael Rapaport at all, or just the play? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  19:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced it's a reference to either of them - it seems too vague to be a reference to that play, and it can't be the actor because of the spelling. I'm on the fence (or maybe on the deck?) about it. -Unknownwarrior33 07:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Prescription

Strong Sad could have been talking about a contact lens prescription.

No, He meant his medication. He thought that he was just seeing this (not with his eyes, that is). Also, you don't wear contacts in bed. Loafing 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

handbill image

i uploaded an image of the hand bill, but i do not know how to put it on the page or where, or know what the protocol is for adding images, ie what type do we typically add/leave off. anyway, could someone discuss this for me? here is the image: csours 21:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Add'd. See if you can figure out where? --אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)

Bubs Likes to Dance, Right?

When is the last time we have seen him dance?" Catman87

The moves we see are from Dancing Bubs, which is already noted. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  21:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, he was last seen dancing in disconnected, but it's not fun fact worthy, as he didn't say anything in the toon about not dancing in a while like Homestar did about melonade. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 16:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Deckeman or Duckie-man?

Deckeman sounds like the name the prince of town (flashback) gave Homestar which is Duckie-man or however you spell it. Should it be noted or am I thinking about this too much? Steve Talk Contributions 00:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Homestar's nickname in flashback was Duckshirt, not Duckieman. So no, I don't think it's a reference. - Saturn 02:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The POT does say, "and the duckie-man is the winner!" But I still think this is a stretch because they don't sound that similar. Heimstern Läufer 02:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Second Homestar?

OK, so the first time Homestar runs away from Cardboardzipan, is that a second Homestar under the table, saying "I've got to find me a new girlfriend?" Or, did he run...in a rather odd direction?

The second - this happens all the time; see Summer Short Shorts for an example of Strong Bad doing it. While we're here, the second possible "twin" Homestar sighting was in the stylized "hammer and saw" montage. I really can't see how that'd count, though. It's a montage, these things happen. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

These two instances aren't nearly so identical as you claim, Qermaq, though it's an instructive comparison. In Summer Short Shorts the "second" Strongbad breaks the third wall in the manner of a voice-over narrator of a documentary talking about footage in which he appears. So in that case, he's not really a "second" Strongbad but the same Strongbad speaking at a later date in the manner of an aside or DVD commentary. In No Hands On Deck!, the "second" Homestar appears in the same temporal sequence so he can make faux-Marzipan move in the manner of any puppeteer or ventriloquist. In this case, as with Strongbad in Summer Short Shorts, there isn't really a second Homestar. And in both cases the unexpected appearence of the same character has the effect of calling attention to the artificiality of what we're watching: a show, put on (often ineptly) for our entertainment, and not simply events in an alternate universe. So there is a meaningful similarity. But the effect is accomplished differently: as a reference to puppetry/ventriloquism, rather than a reference to documentaries/DVD commentary. Henebry 12:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, wrong toon. You are pretty clearly referring to keep cool. I think Qermaq is referring to the first short in Summer Short Shorts, where Strong Bad dashes across the room suddenly while encouraging The Cheat to eat "ONE MORE!" French fry. --Jay (Gobble) 13:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Are you getting confused with keep cool? The Summer Short Shorts appearance is, I think, the "Did you hear the latest news?" line. I think Homestar annoying Strong Bad in Bug in Mouth Disease is a better example, or getting the powdered herbs and spices in Halloween Potion-ma-jig... In both, Homestar leaves in one direction and immediately enters from another. It's just, as DorianGray said, cartoon physics. --phlip ^T_C 13:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I had always assumed it was the same Homestar, just moving around "behind the black" incredibly fast. Let's not forget how he zapped around from place to place in long pants either. —AbdiViklas 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Incase anyone's wondering, if u squeeze the window really narrow you can see behind the black frame and see that its just Homestar's head and it doesnt even move while he talks. Clearly that is not a twin of Homestar

Sitting girl thing.

What do you hear? Homestar's speech was never the crispest dialogue, but I hear sitting. It's been changed back and forth more than once today. Peoples? --Jay (Gobble) 02:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Homestar's mouth movements accomodate two syllables. A very clear "sitting." This one's not even close. —BazookaJoe 03:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Frame 79-80 Look

Frame 82-83 girl

Frame 85 thing

Frame 87 a

Frame 89-91 cross

Frame 93 from

Frame 95-97 me

Where is there an extra mouth movement? Visual seems to be the right syllable count. We need to rely on audio here. When I play from frame 85, I can hear "ing", but not from frame 86. So 85 and 87 cannot possibly be "sit" and "ting".

And while last night "thing" sounded exactly right, I can this morning hear why "sitting" seems right ar well. This reminds me of all the times we've had "s"s turn up when they shouldn't - Flash audio seems to add a degree of sibilance to the sound, resulting in a very lisp-like rendition of what was said. Thing is, this is one of those things that's never going to be obvious, no matter how "not even close" one person declares it. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

try this File:Gewlthing.ogg. its girl thing... csours 13:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

i looked in that same thing and i heard an "s". i am pretty sure it is girl sitting across from me. Jhonka

I hear thing. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 16:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sitting. Absolutely. Salty^Talk! 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I distinctly hear two syllables. Thus, sitting. --DorianGray

Sitting. — It's dot com 20:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I hear "sitting". -- Tom 21:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I Can Be the Orphan

Is Coach Z's orphan impersination a reference to Oliver or another musical? Retromaniac 04:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Annie. As long as there is more than one major musical with an orphan (and there is) this would be TTATOT. --Jay (Gobble) 05:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

But if the reason he brings up orphans is that so many musicals involve them, is THAT worth mentioning? After all, the two musicals mentioned here are very famous, so does anyone think they might have influenced the coach's idea? -Unknownwarrior33 07:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

What are the two mentioned here? I see one. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Jay mentioned Annie. Loafing 09:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I see it now, I must be a little sleepy. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I immediately thought of Oliver, then a moment later Annie. But maybe the reason everybody thinks of Oliver first is the cap? —AbdiViklas 14:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

FCUSA

Can someone edit it, and make it say that FCUSA is a reference to Free Country USA please? i just don't have the time right now...

FCUSA is not a reference to Free Country, USA. It is an initialism for it. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

nails

Galvanized nails and Vulcanized nails have no articles at 'Kipedia. Neither Galvanised or Vulcanised I've put them on my watchlist so vandals beware. The population of nails have tripled in recent years. 216.106.180.138 13:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

However, it does have articles on galvanization and vulcanization (both linked to in the article, under Explanations)... and given what it actually is, I doubt 'kipedia would reccommend vulcanized nails... they wouldn't be particularly stable... --phlip ^T_C 13:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

when you find an article on vulcanized nails, ill buy you a pizza. or a trophy. or a pizza trophy. or a pit's atrophy. csours 13:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I looked at deck building and it says nothing about nails either. So much for THAT reference. HR prob isn't reading the actual wikipedia. —NFITC1^talk 15:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Loadinating the Websites!

On the Irregular Loading Screen page is says that loadinate might be a reference to burninate. How can "Loadinate" not be a reference to "Burninate"?! I think it should be moved from Trivia to Inside References, but not while the ILS page says "might be". —NFITC1^talk 15:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Deck-Building Sequence Stub

Can someone please add more detail to the Deck-Building-Sequence bit of the transcript? You know, the bit with all the hammers and stuff? I was gonna do it myself but so much happens and it's really hard and I'm too lazy. You know how it is. – The Chort 15:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it. Hang on a mo'. --DorianGray

And now it's done. --DorianGray

You missed a few details. I added them. I was working on it while you were and had an edit conflict. —NFITC1^talk 18:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Apothecary

Apothecary was last mentioned in 2 emails. Retromaniac 18:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. It was last mentioned in theme song. --Jay (Gobble) 21:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

PS. That wasn't an invitation to add it to the page. Sure, it's not a common word, but it's still a WORD. Either we should make a page for it (which I can actually see, since it's been used three times in rather unusual contexts) or just leave it be. --Jay (Gobble) 21:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I made a page for it, but someone wants it deleted. Go to Apothecary and tell me what you think.

Impossible

I put in the real life references, originally, though someone took it out, that the floating objects at the end are Escher-like impossible objects. Any reason why this shouldn't be there? Good ol' Escher. I didn't put it in, but he was an actual "Dutch Master" instead of a "Deutsch Master."

Uhh, why are they impossible objects? Just because you can't have floating wood? Thats hardly incongruent with the Homestar Runner universe. Stranger things have happened. I also can't place ANY resemblence between clouds surrounded with wood to MC Escher.