Category talk:Strong Bad Email Spin-offs

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A spin off is defined as "a new organization or entity formed by a split from a larger one" by Wikipedia. Running gags and characters are not spin-offs. Things like tape leg and places like The Office don't warrant being on this page just because their debut was in a sbemail. I feel that this page should be only for things like Teen Girl Squad and cheat commandos. Things that are ACTUALLY spin-offs. I propose a major rewrite and removal of irrelevant data, as in its current state, this page is better labeled "Things that debuted in Strong Bad Emails" which, if there were a page like that, would get deleted very quickly, as it's too general a topic. — Defender1031*Talk 20:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I strongly agree. Places and running gags are not spin-offs. This page is terrible. Even worse than the sightings page. What in the world is The Broternal Order of Different Helmets doing here? Or The Virus? Ding! Last place. Loafing 20:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Fine, I'm doing it. If the community decides otherwise, then it's free to revert, but until then this page should be made presentable. — Defender1031*Talk 20:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I would cut it down to

• Videlectrix
• Taranchula, Limozeen
• Dullard
• Stinkoman (because of the game)
• TGS
• Sweet Cuppin' Cakes
• Cheat Commandos
• Li'l Brudder (maybe)

And that's about it. Loafing 20:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Taranchula and Limozeen are bands, i wouldn't even leave those in. And on second thought, i'm waiting for some more consensus before i do the cleanup. — Defender1031*Talk 20:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with making the changes Loafi and Defender have suggested. I'm thinking we leave the bands in, per Loafi's suggestion, as they are essentially separate franchises that have spun off of the sbemail franchise. Heimstern Läufer 21:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I would propose the following as marginal (in keeping with the idea of a true spinoff)

• Strong Badia (since it is an organizational subsection of Free Country, USA, complete with an army and national anthem.
• Circles (if we include Limozeen, but clearly less important in the grand scheme of things)
• The Show (Like Cheat Commandos, and Li'l Budder, it's a separate entity)
• Dangeresque (same reasoning as The Show)

There could be an argument made for The Office, because of Biz Caz Fri puppet shorts, but that might be stretching the point too thin. As for the organization, the page will be basically a disambiguation page because of the topic; should the rewrite keep the current table format, or simply be a list? wbwolf (t | ed) 21:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me you're actually better off using a category, and eliminating the page altogether. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  21:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Circles is just a song, not a spin-off. The office is just a place in the H*R universe, not a spin-off in it's own right. The Show is more kind of a running gag to me. I'd prefer an article, but if it's basically just a list under a heading, then Qermaq might actually have a point. Loafing 22:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I see the show as a spinoff, the rest i agree with.

Making it a category sounds like a good idea, since a page won't really add that much that isn't on the individual pages. Probably should make this page a redirect, in that case. wbwolf (t | ed) 22:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, cat works just as well. — Defender1031*Talk 22:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm leaning toward the "Make it a category" idea too. I think it should include everything that originated from Strong Bad Emails, including characters, places, and series. But the characters in series should be left out to save work; for example, Cheat Commandos should be categorized as a spin-off, but the commandos' individual pages can be left out. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 22:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If that is the case, would Stinkoman and 20X6 be both tagged, since their origin is separate, or just one of those? The same question could be asked of Kerrek and Jhonka. Personally, I'd rather see it left strictly with direct spin-offs, like Trogdor and Teen Girl Squad, that level, rather than going down to Homsar and tape-leg wbwolf (t | ed) 23:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the 20X6 places don't seem to have a definite origin from any toon. The closest thing would be Stinkoman himself, who should doubtlessly be considered a SBemail spin-off, but I would tag only 20X6 because the entire concept originated from an email (the article could say something like "The 20X6 universe began with the creation of Stinkoman in japanese cartoon"). As for the PQ characters, that's tough to say. It would make sense to tag them both because of their origins, but the PQ universe didn't originate from an email. What to include or exclude from the category will definitely need further discussion, but I think we should do it on the new category's talk page. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 23:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, looks like there's consensus here, making the cat... I'll add it to the ones we're sure about also. — Defender1031*Talk 23:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, continuing the above discussion regarding the inclusion of certain pages; we all agree that major characters and "sub-universes" that originated in sbemails should be tagged as spin-offs, but next we need to establish how deep we want these tags to go. I think sub-universes created in sbemails should be categorized through their own pages only, while the individual characters belonging to that universe can be excluded. But some sub-universes' characters have originated or developed in more than one email, or a spun-off character was added to an existing spin-off universe. Any suggestions as to how we categorize these cases? — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 23:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't agree on that at all. Only spin-offs should be categorized, not all sub-universes. Loafing 23:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, I misunderstood the question. In the PQ case, I'd not say that Kerrek or Jhonka are actual spin-offs. But if people agree that they are, then they should be tagged individually. Loafing 00:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's one of the odd cases; those two originated outside of PQ, then were added later. But now that I think about it, I don't think they should be tagged because even though they originated in emails, they were added to a universe that didn't, and are fairly minor. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 00:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

How does Peasentry not originate from the Strong Bad emails? Trogdor, the central figure, clearly does, as does much of the imagery (thatch roofed cottages, burnination, et al.) which led to creation of PQ. I would agree that Kerrek and Jhonka would be too minor to include. wbwolf (t | ed) 00:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, PQ falls right on the line. You raise good points; most elements of PQ did originate in emails, but the way they all fit together (i.e., Peasantry itself) was not from an email. And Trogdor is a sbemail spin-off indeed, but from dragon. He was added to PQ later on. Right now it seems our best solution is saying "Most elements of Peasantry originated from various emails." — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 00:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Puppet Stuff

Should that really count as a Sbemail Spin-off? The only ones I really count are Everybody Knows It (whose song originated in labor day) and Biz Cas Fri (which was 1st mentioned in other days). Bad Bad Guy 00:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

True, the puppets where first seen in Everybody Knows It, which is not a sbemail at all. I'll remove it. Loafing 00:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Do Everybody Knows It and Biz Cas Fri count? Bad Bad Guy 00:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, even though the "Everybody Knows It" song came from an email, it seemed kind of slapped on, and the puppet video was made later. I don't think that's a close enough connection to call a spin-off. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 00:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Dangeresque

It seems to me that the Dangeresque series itself only appeared in sbemails. I'm not sure this makes it a spin-off. In fact, I'm pretty sure this makes it a... not... spin off. And now I'm gonna have to jump. Loafing 01:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)