Talk:More Fan Costumes

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Contents 1 WTH? 2 Under the Table and Editing 3 Pictures 4 For all us "Unable To See"ers 5 Some New Hotness

WTH?

What is with More Fan Costumes? It's not comming up at all. --(U)(T)(C) 01:47, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

They must have taken it off the site: The flash file's gone. --Color Printer 01:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Um, it's still working for me. —AbdiViklas 01:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

You've probably got it cashed. I wish they'd hurry, I gotta go out in 40 minutes. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Works for me. 20XGlitch(Fanstuff Wiki User)

It works for me--Not signed in'd!

I'm not getting anything.

Are you using the links in the article? —BazookaJoe 02:24, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes

Not working for me either. And please get an account, mr. annonomousman. — _talk Bubsty _edits 03:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, it's not working! The good times are over! Anyway, I tried clearing my caches and it still didn't help, although it did get the link to appear on the main page (but the swf is just as 404'd as ever.) Rocketlex 05:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Works now! — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 20:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Under the Table and Editing

Are we going to give Fan Costume Commentary the same table treatment? I like it, but the two should be handled the same way. —AbdiViklas 03:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

You're right. I would do it myself, but my crappy computer won't let me upload images. *sigh* *sniff*. — _talk Bubsty _edits 03:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

VC in the place, gonna rock your face! Don't worry, I have come to the rescue. Check out my masterpiece!. That's right, I did that all! Me! By myself! I rule! I rule Hyrule! Hey, that rhymes! Oh well, who cares? I did it all! --VolatileChemical 06:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Nice work, VC! See the appropriate comment I left on your talk page. —THE PAPER ^PREEEOW 06:50

Pictures

I just uploaded all the pics from number 2 on. They are all under the name Morefancostumes2, Morefancostumes3, Morefancostumes4, Morefancostumes5, Morefancostumes6, Morefancostumes7, and so on. I would put them in myself, but I don't understand the format. --— DBK! 03:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, you missed a couple, as I discovered when I tried to add them... --Jay (Gobble) 03:39, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

If you look at recent changes, they are all there. You just have to scroll down a little. --— DBK! 03:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Guess again. You missed the two where the piñata is about to be hit, and after it's hit. --Jay (Gobble) 03:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh... sorry. I am sick, so cut me some slack. I'll upload them though. --— DBK! 03:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

There you go, Jay. Sorry about that. --— DBK! 03:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

We appreciate you uploading those images, DBK. However, I had to recapture them due to the large size and pixelated compression artifacts that resulted. Apparently I'm just a perfectionist through and through. Thanks for your efforts nevertheless! —THE PAPER ^PREEEOW 06:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Having these pictures on the wiki is a clear copyright violation. They need to be removed. TBC have permission to use them, we do not. - Dr Haggis - Talk 19:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean just because they depict fans? Or because they constitute the bulk of the H*R page? If it's the latter, I have been saying this for a while now. In addition, we have a collection of Weekly Fanstuff. The answer to all these questions would have an effect on Fan Costume Commentary, as well. — It's dot com 19:47, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

This whole issue is a slippery slope, and if we agree to delete all images on this article, then It's Dot Com has a very logical point. We haven't TBC's permission for practically any image on this wiki. Shall we put Weekly Fanstuff and Fan Costume Commentary images up for deletion? —THE PAPER ^PREEEOW 20:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see my comment below regarding Wikipedia:Fair use. -- Tom 20:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree It's dot com. I'd argue that we can leave the Weekly Fanstuff ones, since those are no longer accessible from the site, but I agree with you on Where My Hat Is At?, Original Book, and the two Fan Costumes articles. In fact, the previous version of the Fan Costume Commentary article worked very well. -- Tom 19:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

From the Legal page:

Submissions
Any e-mails, notes, message/bulletin board/forum postings, ideas, suggestions, concepts or other material submitted will become the property of H*R throughout the universe. H*R shall be entitled, consistent with our policies regarding privacy, to use the material or any of its elements for any type of use forever, including in any media whether now known or hereafter devised. When you submit material to H*R's web site, you agree that H*R has the right to publish or otherwise use the material or any of its elements for any type of use, including promotional and advertising purposes, subject to H*R's policies regarding privacy.

I'm not exactly sure what this means for us, but I do think we may need to take these pictures down. Username-talk 20:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity, but how are having pictures here any different than having pictures for everything else? Isn't every single frame in a cartoon copywrited? - Joshua 20:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, TBC know and approve of this wiki's existance, while we've done things like this for a long time. Don't you think if TBC were going to take legal action, they would already have? - Joshua

Screenshots are deemed fair use. See Template:web-screenshot. Of course, we can't just take screenshots of every frame of a toon, because that wouldn't be fair use. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. -- Tom 20:07, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is all copyrighted. We skirt the issue by only using a frame or two from each toon as a representative example, to use in our "encyclopedia". But when we reproduce nearly the entire work, as on the pages listed on Tom's post up there, I think we've definitely crossed the line. Our site is to supplement H*R. As long as we do that, I think TBC will see us as benefiting them. But when we start trying to replace their site, I think we could get in trouble. The last thing we would want to do would be to make them mad. Why give them a reason to want to take legal action? — It's dot com 20:12, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Very good It's dot com.

In regards to our regular screenshots, not the images questioned in this article or similar articles, I believe we can rely on the fair use doctrine of United States copyright law [1] wherein as long as we take into consideration

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

for our purposes (such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research), is not an infringement of copyright.

Anyway, read the whole fair use article and tell me what you think. Oh, and this FAQ might help as well. -- Tom 20:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I think points 3 and 4 apply here. We are reproducing nearly the entire work. The only thing missing is the sound, but even that is transcribed. To experience these pages, you do not even need to go to H*R.com, which means you're probably not going to the H*R store, either. — It's dot com 20:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I understand. Does this mean we need to take down all mirrors? (except for content no longer on the site) - Joshua 20:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Where do we have mirrors posted for stuff that is on the site? — It's dot com

For all us "Unable To See"ers

Would it be possible for the Wiki, at least until this whole deal is sorted out, to have a limk to a mirror of this toon? It would only have to be temporary, and it would really help people like me who, try as we might, just can't see the dang thing. (Sorry if this type of thing is frowned upon at the wiki. I'm new...) Rocketlex 05:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, Rocketlex. For now, you can access this feature (the Flash file) at the following mirror: [2] Hope that helps! —THE PAPER ^PREEEOW 05:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a bunch! That was great! Rocketlex 05:56, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Some New Hotness

You know, I always thought that people who watched this webtoon were like me; single skinny computer nerds with too much free time on their hands. However, the Hot Homestar costume gives me hope for the future. Please, if you're a hot girl, stand up and be counted. Then send me your phone number, measurements and a picture of you in the Hot Homestar outfit. -JesseLangham