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Non-existent fact?

From: Thy Dungeonman 3
Posted on: 17:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

• The Brothers Chaps do reference games from the 1980's.

Arguments against:

• It just doesn't seem that similar.
• In the mentioned game, the tea is found, then it finally appears. In this game, you never do find these "things". Totally different, not likely a reference.

Additional comments:

• The invisible tea can be seen in this screenshot from an updated version with graphics.
• I'm still tying to figure out what nonexistent item is being referred to here. Is it talking about the "years of emotional baggage" and so on? If so, then wow. Just, wow. If not, then somebody please fill me in, because I can't find anything else in the game that would match this, nor do I see a graphical inventory.
• Didn't this also happen in Peasant's Quest? If anything, it's probably referencing that.

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The Cartman stole some STUFF!

From: Thy Dungeonman 3
Posted on: 00:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

Arguments against:

• The Brothers Chaps have never referenced something as recent as South Park.
• If the cart man had done something, anything, to allude to South Park then possibly. As is, no.

Additional comments:

• Regarding the first argument against: that's probably not true, and even if it were, there's still a first time for everything.
• Certain words in the game are in all caps for emphasis. It seems like if this were a reference, he would have been called a "CART MAN", not a "cart MAN".
• there exist a cart man in this game, and there exists a cartman in sp... not conclusive. he bears a remarkeable resemblence to "tom goes to the mayor" show from cartoon network.

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It's all been done before

From: Thy Dungeonman 3
Posted on: 19:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

• When beginning Return to Zork, it started off with a plain black screen and the words, "You are standing next to a white house. There is a mailbox in front of you." This stayed for a few seconds before a video zooming around the white house fades in. This intro is similar as it begins with the text, as a tribute to the earlier games, and the graphics then appear.
• Zork is already referenced elsewhere in Thy Dungeonman 3.
• Return to Zork was similar to Thy Dungeonman 3 in that it was the first graphical game in a previously text-adventure series.

Arguments against:

• Return to Zork came out in '93, most games that TBC reference are from the 80's.
• Return to Zork's graphics were far superior to Thy Dungeonman 3's.
• It's more likely to be a Videlectrix-style boast.

Additional comments:

• The graphics were intentionaly low-quality in TD3 to keep the "retro" feel.
• Does anyone know of any other games that have a similar opening sequence on their first graphic version, which would make this TTATOT?
• Are there any other examples of game series that started text only and became graphical? Do they use this same transition at the beginning?

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Fry up some fat

From: Thy Dungeonman 3
Posted on: 21:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

• The extra "Fat" implies that it's a spinoff of something.
• A search for "Fat Friar" at the Wikipedia goes straight to a Harry Potter-related page.
• TBC have referenced Harry Potter before in the DVD commentary of the Strong Bad Email no loafing, implying that they are at least somewhat familiar with the Harry Potter universe.

Arguments against:

• Friars are perceived as being jolly and fat. This is simply a description of the friar.
• Even if it's a reference to anything, and I don't believe it is, it's TTATOT - I know at least one other mention of "fat friars" - this one a pun on "Deep Fat Fryers" and certainly not a Harry Potter reference.
• As much as some may want everything to be a reference to Harry Potter, TBC just don't refer to the series very often. Especially since it's from the late 90's, not the 80's.

Additional comments:

• Harry Potter isn't JUST from the late 90's, though, as books are still being published (not to mention the production of Harry Potter movies). I wouldn't say that TBC would never reference something that is still relevant in modern culture.
• Actually, Fat, Fat Friar is given as his name, not a description. He doesn't refer to himself as "A" Fat, Fat Friar or "The" Fat, Fat Friar, just "Fat Fat Friar".
  • Pretty much every character in the game is named after their job or description.
    • But why the superfluous extra "Fat"?
• Wasn't an almost identical fact in pop-up declined?
  • Different context; there, it was a fat fryer. Here, it's a Fat Friar (or, in TD's case, a Fat, Fat Friar.) Homophones, but the meaning is different.
• So nobody familiar with Harry Potter (besides me) thought that the Friar's name rang a bell?
  • I'm totally unfamiliar with HP, and the name conjured up images of Friar Tuck, who was fat.
    • I'm pretty sure the Fat Friar in Harry Potter is supposed to be Friar Tuck; I read that somewhere.
      • Probably in fanon; it's not stated or even implied in the books. Unless JKR (the author) specifically mentioned it, I doubt it.
        • I've read the books, and I don't even remember a character called Fat Friar. Thus, I can assume that he is a minor character and would be an obscure choice for a reference, even for TBC.
          • Sigh. He's Hufflepuff's resident ghost (like Nearly Headless Nick for Gryffindor.)
    • If you're totally unfamiliar, how can you even answer the question? And how can you judge?
      • One can still be justified in weighing in on a STUFF discussion even when he isn't familiar with the supposed reference. In particular, if the "reference" is of a more generic nature or conjures up suggestions of other icons of equal substance, those unfamiliar with the supposed reference have a compelling argument indeed.
• It's not a "Deep Fat Friar". That's an obvious pun, but the extra "Fat" actually destroys the pun (there's no such thing as a "Fat fat fryer".)

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