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[edit] To be deleted

Seeing as we have little to no information on Jim and Rosy Chapman, I propose we delete this article. They do not seem to contribute significantly to the website and frankly, how important is it to give every person related to TBC their own article? – The Chort 16:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

While I'm not up for us having articles about every relative, friend or pet of TBC, I do think anyone with an appearance in their work, no matter how small, should have an article. So here's my only concern: How do we know who these people are and that they appeared in this DVD feature? What's the source? Heimstern Läufer 16:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
You should ask Mas12806. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
From the DVD commentary:
MIKE: Oh, there goes our parents and Aunt Jim.
MATT: {cracking up} Aunt— Aunt Jim and Uncle Rosy!
MIKE: {correcting himself, laughing} Uncle Jim! Sorry, Aunt Jim!
MATT: Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosy.
--DorianGray 10:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
How do we know that their last name is Chapman? -- BRANEWASHED 11:27, 14 August 2008
That is an excellent question. OptimisticFool 03:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who They Is

I think I've got figured out which one is Uncle Jim, but Aunt Rosy (Rosie? Rosey?) I can't be sure.. plus I'm dealing with crummy software. My desktop computer (XP) has beautiful DVD player software, but the computer itself is having issues so I barely ever turn it on.. and my lappy (Vista) has at least three pieces of software that play DVDs and they all suck rocks. I tried to install my beautiful software, but it's not compatible with Vista. Gah. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is it's too much of a pain in the butt for me to go frame-by-frame with the software I have now to really get the best view of these people. OptimisticFool 08:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, with the help of my dying XP computer, I have found the best freeze frames for each of the following: Strong Dad, The Mother Chaps, Uncle Jim, and Aunt Rosie. The labels are my guesses, and I could be wrong. Anyway, just because I said these are the best freeze frames, doesn't mean they are very good, but here they is! Anyone have any idea if I labeled them right? OptimisticFool 07:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I got it wrong. The IP that commented below (whoever he/she is, he/she seems to be located in Georgia) (see #Updated Info from The Chapman's below) says I got Uncle Jim and Strong Dad labeled wrong. I'll upload screenshots to the actual site today or tomorrow or soon, anyway. =] Oh, and at least I spelled Rosie right. Man this page is so out of order now. Haha. =] OptimisticFool 20:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

If we are going to keep this page and start linking to it, let's figure out the best title for this article. We do not know if Jim's last name is Chapman. Here are the possibilities:

  • If Jim is Don's brother, Jim's last name would be Chapman.
  • If Jim is Harriet's brother, Jim's last name would NOT be Chapman.
  • If Rosie is Don's sister, Jim's last name would NOT be Chapman.
  • If Rosie is Harriet's sister, Jim's last name would NOT be Chapman.

Those are the most likely scenarios. Oh, I should also point out that by putting them in the same article, we are making the assumption that Jim and Rosie are married. It's a safe assumption to make, I think, but there are all kinds of combinations of possibilities for aunts and uncles .. I won't list them all, don't worry. =] Anyway, there's also the matter of spelling. As of this edit, Google returns 28,200,000 results for Rosie, 15,400,000 results for Rosy, and 2,980,000 results for Rosey. I should also point out that many of the results for "Rosy" are for the adjective "rosy" (as in "rosy cheeks"). So, this is what I suggest for an article title: Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie ... it makes the least amount of assumptions, uses the most common spelling, and it's what Matt ultimately calls them in the DVD commentary of Making of Email 100. OptimisticFool 19:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

If are to do one thing about this, it's to be consistent: we need to spell "Rosy" or "Rosie" the same way in the commentary, this article, and any new article that this would be moved to. I believe that Rosie is in fact more common, but we should do our best to be certain. Do the commentary tracks contain their own subtitles? Can we glean the information from there (assuming those weren't guessed either). If we stick with "Rosy" then the new article should be called Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosy instead, though redirects with the alternate spelling(s) wouldn't hurt either. I do agree though that removing the last name assumption would be a better idea. --Stux 21:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
My opinion: "Chapman" is speculation, remove from title and article. "Rosie", "Rosy", we don't know so pick one and be consistent. As we are now using "Rosy" we should stick to it unless proof of "Rosie" is uncovered. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 12:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
We have an IP saying it's Jim and Rosie Eldridge (see #Updated Info from The Chapman's). Making the assumption that it's true, we could name the article Jim and Rosie Eldridge, or we could still go with Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie. OptimisticFool 19:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This topic has not drawn interest in a while. Let's get this decided and renamed. OptimisticFool 19:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I, since I created the article to start, think it should be renamed. OptimisticFool, what do you think the article should be renamed? Once you relpy with that information, I will move the article to the name. Thanks! —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 23:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
It's not really up to me to decide. Let's let a consensus be reached, eh? OptimisticFool 23:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
No but what would you want to call it? (Including your opinioned spelling of Rosy Eldridge). —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 01:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to repeat myself. My suggestions are already listed above. OptimisticFool 03:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah, sorry about that. I don't catch everything. Anyway, since I'm the only one replying, (saw your comment for your edit) maybe I should just move the page to the new title? And all this time I thought you were a system operator. —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 04:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the "nobody's commenting on this topic" comment, and I believe that moving the page to Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie would be optimal, as it completely dodges the problem of surnames. AwkwardFire 04:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I believe that Jim and Rosie Eldridge would work better. It fits better with all the other real people, e.g. Craig Zobel. Strongkinghomsarsmith 04:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Even know I started the page at first, I know all are welcome to contribute. But I feel that strong steps must be taken for this title move. I believe, "Jim and Rosy Eldridge", should be the title this page is moved to. Alternatively, "Jim and Rosie Eldridge". We should at least keep the Eldridge part of the title. —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 04:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds simply fab. I believe moving the title to Jim and Rosie Eldridge and making Jim and Rosy Eldridge a redirect would be optimal. AwkwardFire 04:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree 100%. That's exactly what I can see in my dreams. Moved titles, redirects, Jim and Rosy in a peaceful wiki page. Uh, did I just blurt out my secret that I dream about the Wiki? Anyway, uh, uh, I agree 100% just get a few more people to look at the talk page to see if they agree I'll be watching the page bye. —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 04:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Is our only source for their name the info posted by the annony below, or do we have some other source? Please note that a post by a user on the wiki can't really be considered authoritative unless we know they have some connection with TBC that would make them privy to such information. Heimstern Läufer 09:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC) Hi Heimstern Laufer:

Your right. We can't be sure. Maybe we should ask TBC to help out at the Wiki just a little, because they know their family better than we do of course. I'm thinking we should call the Brothers up. And yes, I know the number which I will not share with the Wiki of course. (Violation of privacy) We need to decide on the title here. For now I think the title should be moved. We can be wrong every once in a while. We can bring it back to it's original title if there is proof that their name is chapman. —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 15:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
We should probably go with Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie. Mas, we had not reached a decision; I don't know why you moved the page already. You should probably have left the move to someone else. OptimisticFool 22:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

This is too much. OptimisticFool, feel free to revert what I did. I'm going to go over and help out with some other HR related article, rather than stay and chat about Jim and Rosy. Don't think I'm laying you down with work to do, it's just that this isn't exactly, HR, related, and the Wiki states to become a sysop or admin to focus on the HR related articles. I guess this is HR related, but I'm gonna go around the corner to Toons. I hope everything goes well, and sorry about changing the title so soon. —Mas12806 (talk·contribs) 22:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It's still driving me crazy that we have the last name of "Chapman" in this article title. Everyone seems to agree that it's speculation and probably wrong based on logic and a comment by an IP (see Updated Info from The Chapman's below). We have two suggestions for a page name: Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie and Jim and Rosie Eldridge. My preference is Uncle Jim and Aunt Rosie. Can we get some fresh opinions on this subject, please? OptimisticFool 21:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No, For Real: To Be Deleted, Man

Seeing as the above thread has gone off topic, I would like to restate my desire to delete this article. There isn't enough information, or even a picture, for this article to exist. They're mentioned on The Brothers Chaps, that's all we need. – The Chort 19:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

As we now have a source for that these people do exist, and have appeared in TBC's work, I'm going to have to disagree and move that we keep this. As a side note, the discussion above didn't really go off-topic, as questions as to the existence of the people are clearly germane to any deletion discussion. Heimstern Läufer 10:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
The reason for my opposition is because I would like to propose two alternative suggestions first: we could expand the relevant sections of the Contributors article and/or create a new article along the lines of Chapman Family Members or The Chapman Family to cover all the information on some (but not all) of these people. It just doesn't feel right having articles that last just one or two sentences. We usually end up grouping similar items that appear on H*R together on one page, so why not the contributors? – The Chort 12:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree. I see nothing problematic about brief articles when there's nothing else to say. (It should be noted that I'm also generally opposed to large lists of items.) Heimstern Läufer 08:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I concur with Heimstern on this. There is no pressing need for this article to be merged into another, just named properly. Besides, the templates were renamed a while back to "to be discussed" for the same reason as what's happening here: discussions can always change course and the actions taken are not always the ones requested. So don't rush, and let things happen. --Stux 09:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

These people are related to TBC, so I think they should have a page on here. Or at least something like, "Family of the Brothers Chaps." What do you think? -Sonicfirestorm44 17:38 12, September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Updated Info from The Chapman's

Just wanted to help out. The Jim and Rosie being discussed here are Jim and Rosie Eldridge. Jim Eldridge is the brother of Harriet Chapman (Eldridge). While the Brother's Chaps have many influential and beloved Aunts and Uncles, Jim in particular had influence as a technology visionary, among other things. Matt's first exposure to movie editing was in the early 90's at Uncle Jim's house using his Amiga Video Toaster. PS - The picture reference above has Strong Dad and Uncle Jim incorrect. Uncle Jim is the one with the white hair. Also, no preference on whether to delete or just add to a Chapman Family section, just wanted to make sure the reference point was accurate. Peace... — (Talk | contribs) 20:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC) (left unsigned)

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