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Much like I'ma, this is not exclusive to H*R, though it is more so than that example. Does this need a page? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 09:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It may not be exclusive to H*R, but you really don't hear it in everyday use. Moreover, unlike I'ma, be's is ungrammatical, and encountering it in a sentence is somewhat jarring. There have been plenty of occurrences too... certainly enough for me to believe this is an intentional running gag. — It's dot com 13:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Wait... unlike "I'ma"? The usage in question is not as a misspelling of the contraction "I'm a" (which a Google search yields in bewildering numbers), or the rural usage of tacking "-a" on before verbs, "I'm-a gonna" (or "I'm a-gonna"), but a usage in which "a" stands in for the helping verb (I'm getting in over my grammatical head here; I guess in the sentence "I'm going to call you Josh," the real verb is "am". I'm not sure what that makes "call". But the point is that "going to" as somehow been replaced with a single syllable.)
But wait, I see your point; in "I'ma" a part of the normal construction is simply replaced; in "be's" some bizarre and unnecessary contraction-conjugation-thingy takes place. —AbdiViklas 18:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I am going to → I'm gonna → I'monna → I'ma. The phrase is heavily contracted, but it still functions as the beginning of the going-to future construction. (The verb call is just an infinitive that completes the construction.) Note that this is completely different from "I'm a-gonna" or "I'ma a-number one", in which there's an extra pronounced syllable. Therefore, I'ma may be slangy or dialectical, but it's not technically incorrect. Be's, on the other hand, cannot be considered correct by any stretch (it's even got an apostrophe thrown in there so it doesn't look like "bess"). With I'ma, I think Matt was just talking and the word came out, much like if he had said wanna or shoulda. Be's, however, seems like a conscious (and, in my opinion, successful) attempt at humor. — It's dot com 02:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This article is, as Joey Day once said, squeezing the poop out of Homestar Runner. It should be deleted. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
First of all, where, exactly, did Joey say that? Second, this is a knowledge base, and we would not permit an article that did not contain useful and interesting knowledge. Furthermore, this particular article deserves its place here because the subject matter is peculiar and repeated just enough to be noticed. With that in mind, do you have any specific comments to the things that have been said on this page? — It's dot com 18:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
He said that here. And no, "be's" are not notable. Homestar Runner is notable. Teen Girl Squad is notable. the bird is notable. The Geddup Noise is notable. Be's are not. See the difference? What makes Wookieepedia an excellent wiki and much better than this one is that the users (literally) go by the philosophy "it's just a movie." Simple as that. They mention Yoda's peculiar speech ("begun, the Clone War has") but they do not write an article on it and say "Yodaese is a RunningGag in the StarWarsUniverse" or have their own fan-created code or anything ridiculous like that. They don't need to take every single element in Star Wars, write an article on it and categorize it. If, for some reason, this wiki covered Star Wars, there would be a fan-named article on Yoda's speech and it would be called a "WordRunningGag." That's not the right way to do it. Down with "be's." Please at least consider my advice. I know you all have it in your heads that my opinion is "both void and null," but it isn't. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
Your example doesn't hold water at all. First of all, people have been doing that very thing to Star Wars for a long, long time, and that wiki does not limit itself to the scope of the movies. In the case you mention, Yoda's peculiar speech is a central trait of his character. In fact, when he uses proper English (or Galactic Standard, if you prefer) as he says to Obi-Wan, "I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience," the contrast is so striking that it reveals to the audience that Yoda is more important than he has let on to this point. I would expect a knowledge base about Star Wars to make more than just a passing mention of the phenomenon (if they don't, for shame). Furthermore, all of that could be on Yoda's character page, but be's isn't particular to any one character, and thus must be separate.
    These articles are a good thing; the Brothers Chaps make homestarrunner.com, and we report on it, but we don't have to be limited to being just a transcription service. We are capable of judiciously analyzing patterns that we note and then organizing the relevant data into meaningful content. It rounds us out; it shows that we can think critically about the subject matter. And being able to see various instances of an idea all listed in one place helps us appreciate the various toons that much more. How else is this info supposed to be noted? Would you rather that TBC verbally announce every time they're using a running gag? I guess I'm just not sure what you're looking for.
    Nobody's making you read the peripheral articles, by the way, and judging by the way you use the term "fan-created", I get the feeling that you think we're making all this stuff up (and that other, normal fans are being put off by these articles. Sheesh). That's not the case at all. We are very careful to base everything only on the facts. If we ever do have to rely on speculation, it is in within reason and noted as such. — It's dot com 02:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I give up on trying to reply to this. I'll just get the stupid edit conflict if I try. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
I hope you didn't try rewriting it each time. Back button -> Copy -> Edit -> Paste -> Save Page, so it's good to go. —BazookaJoe 03:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
You know, it just occurred to me, but a lot of Wookieepedia covers the Expanded Universe, which was created by... fans. The most hilarious part of that site is not so much that they need a conjecture template, but that it's on over 650 pages! E.T. is a Child of the Green Planet who (probably) has a glowing finger? What??
    (Incidentally, here's proof that Star Wars fans do write scholarly papers about obscure details of the movies. I include it not as an argument for or against anything else that has been said here, but merely as interesting reading for anyone else who is following this thread.) — It's dot com 17:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
At least they don't jump to conclusions and act like pricks whenever their ways are questioned for the good of their wiki, or make up their own unoffical code to mark things that don't even fit under the category. I hate to be cruel, but it's just the facts, ma'am. Or sir. Or whoever's reading. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
If you are insinuating the users at HRWiki are "pricks", then all I can say is that you are in no position to be taking anyone to task. The tone of your recent posts has been nothing short of rude, and I for one am a little tired of it. I implore you to find a way to contribute here without personal attacks and unflattering broad-brush descriptions of the user base. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 08:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
"E.T.'s telekinetic and telepathic abilities were not ultra-enhanced mental abilities, but rather E.T. was a Force-sensitive.". I'm also refering you to this list. It's a list of articles with fan-made names. Or this main space article documenting a fan created organization. So before you start comaparing two wikis together and claiming one is better then the other, you better get your facts straight. And while were on it, here is how we handle a speech problem made by a green character. And just to be fair, I think the Star Wars Wiki is one of the best and organized wikis there is on one subject. I use it all the time when I want to learn more info about the Star Wars universe. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 08:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't be so narrow minded. Yes, the Star Wars Wiki does include articles on non-canon or fan articles, but they make it clear that those articles are unofficial or fan-related. And they're also open to new ideas, nixing parts of the wiki that make it less user-friendly, and they're never too strong to change.

There is another thing I was going to write, but that an edit conflict got in the way of. The word "running gag" is obviously a code for "recurring element" here. Here is an example of this trend: the picture on the running gag article is Homestar running. Running? Yes. Gag? No. I'm sorry, but Homestar running isn't funny, unless you have issues to work out and you bust a gut whenever you see it. Therefore, it isn't a "gag." It's just recurring. A fine example. So, basically, to be very blunt, the "running gag" tag is just an excuse to disect Homestar Runner. Homestar is a funny comedy site and wasn't made to be disected, and a wiki covering Homestar Runner should only include interesting things, and users should be commited to write interesting content as opposed to analyzing patterns out of boredom. Nixing articles like "be's" and most infamously "style" would also make the wiki seem less obsessed. If you're bored, go hang at the mall or see the new Pirates of the Carribean movie, or, something, just don't resort to ruining a fun site. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)

If you hate the content and the users of this wiki so much, then I suggest that we have reached a parting of the ways, because I don't see it changing to your liking anytime soon, especially given your methods. — It's dot com 07:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Can we please permaban him?— Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 07:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
What are these, the forums, Bassbone =P ? —BazookaJoe 13:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
   To make one thing clear, the image of Homestar running is not meant to be interpreted as a gag. Rather, it's the running part that we're focusing on. It's a visual joke. Running gag; running Homestar. That is why it was chosen: how do you pick one gag to represent them all? (Rhetorical question; Answer: you can't.)
   I'm at a total loss at why you say we need to write articles about interesting content, but forbid us to "dissect" the site by "analyzing patterns" and calling them running gags, which is not in the truest sense what we are doing anyway. If you were looking for overanalysis, you'd see us looking at the off-color lines at the edges of the characters' rederings, and wondering if it's some type of paint, a refraction of light, or something else magical.
   The perfect example of us not overanalyzing as you think we are is Best/Worst X bucks I ever spent, which you still despise because you still think it's us overanalyzing, when instead we keep telling you it's documenting the fan-candy that The Brothers Chaps intentionally threw at us. Aren't identifying patterns that TBC intentionally place in their cartoons half the fun and half the humor of the site? What, then, are we supposed to do? Delete every running gag article and just have pages for toons and other types of side articles? Are we allowed to keep half of the Fun Facts section if we do that?
   I'll grant you that we already know that there is a problem with a variety of "running gags" out there. Some of them simply are not running gags, but instead are lists documenting a common theme of the site. E.L. Cool and I are working on separating these two. —BazookaJoe 13:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
So, you and E.L. Cool are trying to make the "running gag" deal more sensible? That's a good compromise. Still, the category "word running gag" still sounds stupid. And I'd rather not think "Hey, that's a 'word running gag'!" whenever I hear them use "be's." Just think of this as a Ren & Stimpy Wiki and I think keeping things sensible will be easy. LOL. As for the magical colored outlines, I don't know what to say. ;) Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
The Fat Bluebird got a page simply because the Brothers Chaps said they wanted one. Now they're saying this deserves an article, and it already was. THIS IS SOUND ENOUGH REASON TO KEEP IT FOREVER. (even though I think it could easily be merged into another running gag thing)Evan 02:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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Figured I'd just point out that Matt and Mike wonder if this page exists in the boring (really) commentary, so I just to check. ;) --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 02:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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