Category talk:Character Evolution

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[edit] Takedown

So, why'd we take the real evolution page down? What was wrong with it? Just wondering. -FaceCrap 14:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Please? -FaceCrap 16:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

My guess is, someone thought of it as redundant. I do not see discussion on it though. --Stux 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
You don't see discussion on it because the discussion took place on the talk page for Character Evolution, which was deleted along with its talk page before it was a redirect (my fault). It was deleted because it consisted of nothing but a list of links to the character evolution pages, exactly like this page but requiring manual updating. If someone has an idea for how a Character Evolution page could include better content not included on this page, we could reinstate it. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 01:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh! Makes sense. But the page has its history intact it seems, (maybe it was undeleted), and so can't the talk page be undeleted as well? --Stux 01:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

So, will we be putting the page back or not? -FaceCrap 00:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

A'ight, whoever thinks we should put the page back since categories aren't actually real pages (in the common sense), say "Aye". Or even if you just want the page back up. Though which probably means you don't really disagree with that theory. I've said too much. -FaceCrap 13:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC) (P.S: Aye!)

Category Pages may not feel like real pages but to a certain degree they are. As far as I know there's already been discussion to delete the page and usually decisions are not reversed unless there's a really good reason to. The only thing I requested was that the discussion to "delete" itself be undeleted so for archival and discussion purposes. Or somethign like that :) --Stux 15:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Character Evolution. — It's dot com 16:34, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! --Stux 18:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Sure, they are real pages, but most categories aren't used as basic pages. Besides, I think a real page would be more organized. And, always remember, vote "Aye" or "No". -FaceCrap 15:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

So should we or shouldn't we? -FaceCrap 04:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think we're doing that. That page is a redirect. — It's dot com 04:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think we should put it back. It's generally better to have a real (by which I mean standard) page. And of course it's a redirect, they decided to put it that way! -FaceCrap 01:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Aye -FaceCrap

If we degraded this page to a mere category, then we could probably do that with the toons and games and character pages too, save the fact that they're linked to from the main page (italization reasons speculated on)! But who says that would stop us (by which I mean you)? Uhh... you guys debating against me can at least put "No". -FaceCrap 15:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Ughh. This is just like "Fanstuff Bad?". -FaceCrap 16:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, let me put it this way. Would our information-goers rather see a technical, alphabetized category page or a nice, neat, custom page with images and sections? Do I make myself clear? Has anybody answered me in over a year? -FaceCrap 16:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Tell me why the character page isn't a category, and that's your answer to why this shouldn't be one. -FaceCrap 14:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Aye -FaceCrap
Aye -FaceCrap
Aye -FaceCrap
So it's unanimous.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. I think this discussion ended a long time ago. — It's dot com

It ended in July 2005. I don't care anymore, really. -FaceCrap 00:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some bug

Hey this must be some bug, but when I go here and it redirects me back to this category, the articles in the category do not appear! Just the text for the page itself. I was thinking of placing a notice like:

If you do not see the category articles, please click here.

Or something like it. --Stux 01:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Whoa, that just happened to me when I rid the redirect (further up)! -FaceCrap 00:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is a bug, but there's definitely something wrong. Tom should be able to figure out what's going on. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 01:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I have left a message in his talk page. --Stux 20:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

We could try using the {{soft redirect}} template on the Character Evolution page, like this: — Kilroy / talk 21:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Soft redirect
This page can be found at Category:Character Evolution
Yeah, thanks for the suggestion! Although it's not the greatest solution, it's good for the time being. I was checking out the SR discussion page and noticed the reference to the anchor redirect bug that's been around. Though I think this is a totally different bug and needs a little bit of research. Ok I forgot I hadn't finished typing this so here's the research: the bug details can be found here. So far it looks that Hopefully, it'll be resolved in Mediawiki 1.6. --Stux 22:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I fixed the bug with a workaround. (Thanks for asking me, by the way. :P) A couple things to note, however: First, when you reach the page via redirect, it will no longer alert you to this fact (the line "Redirected from <original page>" will be missing). That also means that to edit the redirect you have to type the full URL yourself: — It's dot com 23:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh so THAT's why the wiki was being weird. I think. Yeah I noticed the redirect thing being gone. Did you hard code it into Apache? Anyway, well I did think of asking you but I figured I'd have to ask Tom for something at some point you know? ;) --Stux 00:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I tweaked it a bit more so that it at least reports in the URL that you're being redirected. If I really spent some time poring over the code, I'm sure I could get it to show the redirect line under the title. On the other hand, it's working fine enough now, and so I'm probably not gonna mess with it anymore tonight. Please report any bugs. — It's dot com 02:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Cool! That looks awesome! Just for reference I'll leave the link to the unredirected page here but I do have a question: will modifying that page (say by a troll) tear a hole in the fabric of space... er, mess the redirect or something? Would it, should it be protected for technical reasons? --Stux 02:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I didn't hard-code the actual redirect. All I did was change the way the page generates itself when something is redirected to the category namespace. Instead of the standard redirect page (with the "Redirected from" verbiage), I told it to completely reload the page from the URL. The reason this is necessary is that the standard redirect page is still technically in whatever namespace it was redirected from (in this case, the main namespace), but the category listings aren't generated unless the page is in the category namespace. Like I said above, I don't think it would be extremely hard to make it have both the standard redirect look and have the category listings, but I couldn't find the right line to edit for that and didn't want to spend the whole night looking. Protecting the redirect page is not necessary, as it's just an ordinary page like any other redirect, and making changes to it wouldn't, er, tear a hole in anything. — It's dot com 02:46, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Are the Homestar, Pom-Pom, Announcer, etc. evolution appearances, under "Strongest Man in the World" contest italicized? Because if so, I think you should change that. It's not so much parodying the evolution (and I don't really understand what that means anyhow) as it is an anachronistic throwback to the good old days. ~Strong Kirby

They shouldn't be italicized. -FaceCrap 16:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Um yeah so I checked, and it turns out they are. Now editing... ~Strong Kirby

[edit] Sweet CupCakes

I think they all have had a evolution change.

[edit] Suggestion

We could put the toons and emails they appear in exept Strong Bad in his emails. We would leave them alone. I'm a man on the prowl and I stick up for myself! The city is at night and I'm dancin' dancin'! Homsar solo!Master of Nature 17:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Info" column unnecessary

The "Info" column does not really add necessary information. With very few exceptions (e.g. Coach "Zee" becoming "Z") it simply numbers the iteration in awkward, repetitive prose. Removing it from most pages wouldn't be a loss, and the few cases where it is used the information could simply be merged with the "What's changed?" column. -- Bleu Ninja 16:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

There are a few places on the wiki where the "Xth design" names given in the info column are used (often if not always linking to the evolution page), but they still could get messed up by an earlier design being found and pushing the ordinal numbers up. Just naming them with numbers isn't a particularly memorable naming scheme either, meaning readers will likely have to go to the page to see what the "second design" or "fifth design" is, even if they know the design in question. For those reasons, I'm not really fond of giving the designs names like that. Maybe they could be given different names, but it'd probably be easier to refer to them via the cartoon in which they debuted, or the date of that cartoon's release. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 19:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Good point that the iterations are referenced in other articles. I like the idea of referring to designs by time, but it can get pretty long-winded ("A Jumping Jack Contest-era" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue). Maybe the solution is to keep the numbers but merge with the first column... could go above or below, numerals or written out...
Image Created Appearances What's Changed?
First design

July 1996 Original Book; Strumstar Hammer; flashback; alternate universe; Strongest Man in the World; Homestar Runner Goes For the Gold N/A
2nd design
June 1999 Where My Hat Is At? His arms and legs are more rounded and less pointed. His eyes are now oval and white, and his stripe has moved up a bit. He's a darker color and has a thicker outline and more shading. His arms are smaller and his legs are further apart. His head is rounder.
A-like so. -- Bleu Ninja 19:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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