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Contents 1 Rationale for colors 2 Puppet Stuff 3 Colors Gone 4 Color Contrast 5 Homestar vs. Casaestrella 6 French 7 PBTC Voices

Rationale for colors

I think some colors are aptly selected, like The Cheat, Strong Bad, Strong Sad. Others seem odd choices. Especially Homestar - pink? Why not #99F blue? Offers sufficient contrast, and of all characters who could get blue Homestar merits it the most. Anyway, thoughts on this are sought. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  01:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, why is the KOT so aqua? Make him pink. --DorianGray

Seems like Homsar would be blue over Homestar. I don't mind Homestar's color. It's not a very pink pink. — It's dot com 01:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

They can be subtly different shades and still be discernable. Perhaps a deeper blue for Homsar. #88F? Of course, the accessibility of all this depends on our deaf friend not also having some manner of color-blindness.... - Qermaq - (^T/C)  01:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

That's why we also have those names and their translations. In the near future, colour-blind people will be able to switch between a coloured mode and a mode that instead displays the speaker's name. Loafing 02:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Except for the King of Town, all the colors seem fine to me. Blue is not a very dominant for Homestar, and the darker shade of red is taken by Strong Bad. I guess Strong Bad could go even darker and Homestar's red could get stronger... - Joshua 02:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

As dual lead characters, Homestar and Stong Bad should have equally strong yet contrasting colors. Pink and red don't do it. Blue and red should do it. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see Homestar as blue, though, because he's so dominately red. Very little blue. I see why'd you want contrast, but... they're both red. I understand why you don't want a weak pink though. - Joshua 03:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

In The Reddest Radish, both Homestar and Strong Bad appear red in the fight scene. --DorianGray

With all coments noted, it remains that we need a major and appropriate color contrast between HR and SB. If it isn't blue and red, what is it? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Homestar's a no-armed whitey... White and red? Those can contrast each other somewhat. Only problem is that white might be too plain. - Joshua 04:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, white is too plain. How about a combination of red and white? Errr.. pink? ;-)But seriously, we do need good contrast between the two, they often interact. I suggest that Homestar gets red, since he is the main character. Strong Bad could get green (his eyes) or blue (his diamond).  Loafing 04:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I always associated Strong Bad strongly with black, but that wouldn't work too well here, I suppose. --DorianGray

Maybe if the text had some kind of rockin' cool border. >.> - Joshua 04:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

We could give SB's lines a white background, but that might look ugly... Loafing

And distracting. Plain ol' solid colors are probably the way to go. - Joshua 04:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Homestar is fine, but why is Pom Pom brown? Shouldn't he be more orange? --Trogga 14:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Bubs already has orange, and The Cheat has yellow. - Joshua 15:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: I always thought bubs should be a light blue. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, they all can't be blue, can they? He's mostly orange, so that works. Still, the whole color thing leads to problems down the line. Voiceovers, for one. How do we know the speaker of a voiceover? I think voiceovers should always be prefixed with say "Character:". The color alone can't be relied on to identify the speaker. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I muchly agree with the voiceover bit, if nothing else. --DorianGray

Perhaps, and nessecary for things such as Marzipan's Answering Machine, but what about obvious voiceovers, such as Strong Bad's frequent cutaways during his emails? It'd be sort of redundant to have it say Strong Bad on those things. - Joshua 03:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, that would be silly. When there's no chance of ambiguity, then no label is necessary, but otherwise an off-screen character should be labeled. As for the colors, I think we may be going overboard. What if we did away with them? Movies are subtitled and television has captions without any colors. — It's dot com 03:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, right now the colors are glitched up and not working (on my computer anyway) so you can see how it looks like. I personally dislike it. "Booooring." Some differentiation is good amoung the speakers. - Joshua 03:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Intro 2 has Homestar in white, Marzipan in pink, The Cheat in the same yellowy orange he's currently using for subtitles, Strong Mad in a dark blue, Strong Bad in red, The Poopsmith in a pinkish color lighter than Marzipan's, Pom Pom in a slightly lighter color than The Cheat's, Coach Z in green, Bubs in orange, Strong Sad in (what else?) gray, and The King of Town in purple. No Homsar (who was created later) or secondary characters, though. --Jay (Gobble) 03:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

May I ask why Fightgar has the same color as Marzipan? I mean, couldn't we just give him the same color as Bubs or Strong Mad, since they sound a little gravely?

Puppet Stuff

Uh... it's nice to add Johnand John and Marty, but where are we gonna tack subtitles on a 1-frame Flash file? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  19:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we are. The interesting thing is, that most of the puppet stuff will still work on the external subtitle site. Strong Bad vs Little Girl, for example, works on the external site, but not in the Greasemonkey script. This is due to differences in how it's loaded in the two different versions. We haven't found a solution for the GM script yet, but we might still be able to make it work. Loafing 19:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Colors Gone

When the page was renamed, the name colors seemed to have disappeared. Will this be fixed soon? - Joshua 19:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Phlip has already fixed the GM script to work with the new page name. You need to re-install it. BUT: Tom has reported problems with the new version, so you might want to wait a bit until Phlip is back online to give us the thumbs-up ;-)  Loafing 04:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Color Contrast

I refer to the Color Contrast Analyzer at http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php . Many of the caption colors do not offer sufficient contrast against a black background for readability. There are a few possible fixes.

1. We use white text only, for as noted above, color-coding is not a really effective way to communicate who's speaking anyway.
2. We use white backgrounds for the captions. Some colors which work on black won't work on white, though.
3. We use a white bg when the color isn't good on black. This will allow all colors, but might be seen as distracting.
4. We keep as is, and let a feature which addresses one inability/disability to fall prey to another.

Thoughts. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  00:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

We already have #1, in the GM script, at least... turn off "Use colours" in the prefs menu. --phlip ^T_C 00:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps a more explicit advisory? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  00:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Err... I have absolutely no trouble reading the multicolored text. The black works well because it blends with H*R.com's background. And as phlip said, if it really bothers you, you can just turn the colors off. (That way everyone wins.) - Joshua 01:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Joshua, I have no problem either. That is not the point. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Homestar vs. Casaestrella

I just noticed that in First Time Here?, when Homestar speaks Spanish, he says "Bienvenidos a Homestarrunner.com", rather than "Casaestrellacorredor.com" or something like that. Does that mean Homestar should remain "Homestar" in Spanish? --Trogga 17:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it stems a lot from that "Casaestrellacorredor.com" is not a website. --DorianGray

Nether was "homestarrunner.net" or "usshomestarrunner.com" at the time. --Trogga 18:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

French

Nobody's doing the french ones. Should I go ahead and do it?-LordQuackingstick 21:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

PBTC Voices

They don't have their names in front of their speech, just the colour. ie 'PBTC Strong Bad: I can do it 100 Times' is actually like 'I can do it 100 times' --Gerkuman 16:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)