User talk:Wiki grrl/Homestar vs. Homsar

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Personally, I think the contents of this article are obvious. I just don't think we need to note this on its own page. We also could move each thing to the characters' pages. Bluebry 23:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid Bluebry's right. I support deletion. Heimstern Läufer 23:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Delete or merge, but do not keep. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  23:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice idea, but I'm for deletion. --Jay (Gobble) 23:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree'd. With the info we provide, people should be able to figure this out for themselves. — Has Matt? (talk) 23:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I am the creator of this article. Could you please move the page to my user page as in "UserPages:Wiki grrl" or something?

No, I believe it's against the subpage rules. (If you want it moves to something in your userspace, then you would use subpages.) Bluebry 23:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Wiki grrl, please don't take this vote personally. We all have spent hours on things which were eventually deleted. This is not a vote on you, or on how hard you worked on this page, but on the value of this page to the wiki. I'm afraid that my opinion is that while it is interesting, it's not needed, and that would be my opinion no matter who made it. Please don't let it discourage you from contributing to the wiki. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  23:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, Qermaq. I'm more subject to a deletion than a merge, here. ♥ _tee^eff_oh! 23:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Its okay. I consider your hard efforts to help the wiki as well as mine. I copied and pasted it to my user page. I will continue contributing to the wiki! Could you give me ideas for other articles?--Wiki grrl 23:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Move to user subpage. Why can't this be moved to her user space? I know she copied it to her user page, but what's wrong with a subpage? In my opinion this serves the project quite well. I believe we should encourage academic essays such as this in the user space. (Note that in no way would I want such essays to be fanstuff.) She has clearly tried to follow good form here, with an introduction, development paragraphs, and a conclusion. These things are to be commended. Good prize! — It's dot com 00:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I do believe that it should be a user subpage, but, It is in the "guidelines". This is where it said archives of already deleted pages. I'm fine with it being a subpage, but it is against the user space guidelines. That, and it said Do not use component (nested) pages for content that could just as easily go on your main page. I'm pretty sure this is kinda like template and stuff like that, but, this can easily go on the User page. Sorry, Wiki grrl, it's not personal. Bluebry 00:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Bluebry: I believe you are interpreting the user space guidelines too narrowly. First of all, this page has never been deleted. Second, it attempts to be encyclopedic in content. It could even be considered a work in progress, which is certainly allowed. I'm also not sure it "just as easily" fits on her user page, given that it is an article. — It's dot com 00:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I knew you would say that first one. Well, why do we need a subpage of it if it's an article? It has to be deleted or rejected as HRWiki content before we subpage it, or it'd just be a waste. That, and Wiki grrl's comment below of "delete it ASAP" and the number of people for the deletion of this article say that. 2: A work in progress means it will be released back into the wiki one day. If we have deleted it, we will probably delete it again, and if it REALLy needs work done to it, mark it with the cleanup tag. In fact, moving it to a subpage would be more of a hassle really unless we take the options above (as I see it, at least). Secondly, Do not use component (nested) pages for content that could just as easily go on your main page. HRWiki:User space said it, I repeated it, and I'm doin' it again. This is just fine where it is on Wiki grrl's User page. Also, may I ask the reason you must have this article as a subpage? My reason for all of these replies (or seilper, if you will) is to enforce the guidlines on HRWiki:User space. Bluebry 00:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

That phrase doesn't mean what you think it means. It means "don't make a subpage and use it as a template on your user page when you could just as easily put the code itself on your user page." That policy is currently being abused by several users, but that's not what we're talking about here, so there's no need to keep repeating it. As for this page, (1) it is not a secret, (2) it is not fanstuff, (3) it is not an archive of deleted material, and (4) it does serve the project because (a) it is an academic essay about the Homestar Runner universe that (b) is presented in article format with encyclopedic material. Note that I don't believe that it currently meets our standards for inclusion in the main namespace, but if articles can be created in the user namespace, developed, and then moved into the main namespace, then surely articles that are not quite up to snuff can be demoted into the user namespace for further development. As I said above, any legitimate non-fanstuff essay that attempts to add actual content to the project should be encouraged. Judging by our established criteria, I see no reason to delete this outright instead of moving it to her user space. — It's dot com 03:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I vote do not delete. Like It's Dot Com said, it is complety right! It is a nice project, and deserves to stay. Please keep it. New users who do not know a lot about the simalarities of the two can learn from this! KEEP IT!

Okay, so strike that "delete ASAP" thing. But, there's still majority for deletion or to merge it. Bluebry 01:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I can appreciate the time that went into writing this, but not only are its contents obvious to the unobservant eye; the structure is essay-style instead of article-style. Nice work, but this does not warrant an article. — Lapper (talk) 04:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This is why I'm suggesting moving it instead of outright deleting it. The article is a lengthy user essay; therefore, it belongs in the user space. Users should be permitted to write lengthy factual, academic, encyclopedic essays on Homestar Runner content. — It's dot com 04:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I would also support moving to userspace. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This was not meant to be an essay, but I can see why it is. If it follows all the standards, keep it. Like It's dot com said, we can move it to my namespace,work on it, and then move it to a main page. Wiki grrl 10:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

That's a nice idea. I support the move. — Has Matt? (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I also support a move. Why exactly do you want to delete this nice page? Give your resons and why. I simply want an explination. Again, would you want me to delete your page just because I think it's in a bad format? Keep in mind I worked on this page for 3 hours. Right away it was submitted for deletion. Please give this page a chance in the wiki world! Any ideas on how I could fix it to become a main page?

(Don't forget to sign your posts.) Patience, Wiki grrl. Let's focus on getting this page moved to your user space, and then you can worry about its actual content. Right now I'm just waiting on Bluebry's reply before I move it. — It's dot com 19:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

How long does the debating usually take? Wiki grrl 19:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)