Talk:Character Video Transcripts
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Revision as of 16:11, 19 April 2009 by 98.222.134.36 (Talk)
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There are potentially two questions to answer: (1) Should this be done? (2) If so, how should it be done? For the first question, I for one think it might be a good and quick way to read all the transcripts, and I like the way it groups similar things together. On the other hand, is it really that hard to go through each character's page? As for the second question, to avoid duplicating work, either the transcripts should all be moved here or some templates set up to include the verbiage both here and on each character's page. I'd go for the second option, since it requires less clicking for the reader. — It's dot com 23:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- This has been brought up again? I say delete, since a sysop who knew what he was doing deleted it. Delete once more. — MichaelXX2
23:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I did, I say Keep, there's too much of this clicking to find the Character Transcipts of everyone, besides, this is is easier, Thank you It's dot com, I know I'll make this worth, two is all I could do, I say all the Transcripts etc. moved here.
Meaty85203 00:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)- Unless someone wants it in different Articles? Anyone, Nowone Mooooo... Mooooooooooo Meaty85203 00:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Michael: The article was previously deleted because the information is elsewhere. As I explained in my first post, however, there are ways to get around violating the once-and-only-once rule (by moving the data or using templates), and we organize the same data different ways all the time if we think it serves the reader (for example, all the Strong Bad Email lists). The issue of whether a combined page should be created for quick viewing has not to my knowledge been addressed, and should be. — It's dot com 00:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Personally I always found it odd that we stuck the character transcripts on the character pages, and it's something I've considered bringing up some time. I think they should all be on a different page, albeit perhaps a different name (like "Character Videos"), and have the character pages link to this one. —Guard Duck talk 03:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I like the character videos where they are: on separate pages, where they can have separate fun facts and separate filmographies. --DorianGray 05:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to having a separate page for each one, in the style of [[(Name)'s Character Video]]. We have separate pages for all the other toons, and this would preserve the separate filmographies like dorian said. I also would not be opposed to having them contain noinclude tags for the headers and footers, to allow them all to be included on a central page like this one. I think i'll make some mock-ups in my userspace to make it clearer, just give me a little while. — Defender1031*Talk 10:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, after a lot of experimenting with templates and totally flooding recent changes, i have discovered that it would be more difficult to do what i proposed than i initially thought... I'll give it more thought over the weekend and hopefully i'll have a better idea next week. Sorry for the flood, everyone. — Defender1031*Talk 11:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to having a separate page for each one, in the style of [[(Name)'s Character Video]]. We have separate pages for all the other toons, and this would preserve the separate filmographies like dorian said. I also would not be opposed to having them contain noinclude tags for the headers and footers, to allow them all to be included on a central page like this one. I think i'll make some mock-ups in my userspace to make it clearer, just give me a little while. — Defender1031*Talk 10:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I like the character videos where they are: on separate pages, where they can have separate fun facts and separate filmographies. --DorianGray 05:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Personally I always found it odd that we stuck the character transcripts on the character pages, and it's something I've considered bringing up some time. I think they should all be on a different page, albeit perhaps a different name (like "Character Videos"), and have the character pages link to this one. —Guard Duck talk 03:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I did, I say Keep, there's too much of this clicking to find the Character Transcipts of everyone, besides, this is is easier, Thank you It's dot com, I know I'll make this worth, two is all I could do, I say all the Transcripts etc. moved here.
- It seems to make more sense here, but needs finsihing. --Jellote 22:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- If the character videos are individual toons, shouldn't they deserve their own articles like all the other toons on the website? I never quite felt comfortable with the transcripts being merged with the character's articles. I quite like DeFender's prototype and can't quite see what difficulties he's referring to. It may take a bit of work to implement the idea, but it's not impossible and could work out well. We could provide links to each article at Character Videos! But whatever we do, I definitely do not like the idea of putting all twelve transcripts on one page, as things would then get cluttered. – The Chort 18:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- The difficulty was that the fun facts on the merge page need to be a header lower than on the individual page. though now that i think about it, i don't think we really should even have a merge page. We don't have pages that contain the transcripts for all of the strong bad emails in one place, do we? Though, on second thought, it might be nice to have all of the character intros in one place. The drawback is that the toon page has to have all sorts of noinclude tags all over the place that look out of place when editing sections and might confuse people. — Defender1031*Talk 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- It would also be harder to find and link to specific transcripts if we used the merged article. We'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Strong Bad Transcript instead of Strong Bad Character Video each time, for example. I also do not like the idea of putting all the Fun Facts for all 12 videos at the bottom of the page instead of just after the transcript where they came from. As for grouping all the intros together, we could use Character Videos to provide links in a similar manner to Character Evolutions and Minor Character Variations. – The Chort 18:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- So you say forgo the merge page altogether, leave out the annoying template code, and just replace the links on the videos page with links to the toon articles rather than the character bios? sounds good to me. I'll do it if no one else has any objections, but one other option is to have a merge page containing just the transcripts and not the fun facts, and have a very limited amount of templating code on each video's page. I'll do whichever thing the community decides is best. — Defender1031*Talk 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- What about a page that links to each individual transcript, like the relationship page links to each individual character interaction -128.103.10.200 19:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Again, that's what The Chort suggested, i'm providing a second alternative. — Defender1031*Talk 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Can You Help or Will we put up Character Videos, The Ones Currently On The Page are not found anywhere else (The Strong Bad#Character Video Thing Doesn't Work) Only It's Dot Com worked on this ({{TBD}}) Somebody Please Help Or Make 12 New Articles, Either. Meaty85203 04:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- Again, that's what The Chort suggested, i'm providing a second alternative. — Defender1031*Talk 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- What about a page that links to each individual transcript, like the relationship page links to each individual character interaction -128.103.10.200 19:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- So you say forgo the merge page altogether, leave out the annoying template code, and just replace the links on the videos page with links to the toon articles rather than the character bios? sounds good to me. I'll do it if no one else has any objections, but one other option is to have a merge page containing just the transcripts and not the fun facts, and have a very limited amount of templating code on each video's page. I'll do whichever thing the community decides is best. — Defender1031*Talk 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- It would also be harder to find and link to specific transcripts if we used the merged article. We'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Strong Bad Transcript instead of Strong Bad Character Video each time, for example. I also do not like the idea of putting all the Fun Facts for all 12 videos at the bottom of the page instead of just after the transcript where they came from. As for grouping all the intros together, we could use Character Videos to provide links in a similar manner to Character Evolutions and Minor Character Variations. – The Chort 18:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- The difficulty was that the fun facts on the merge page need to be a header lower than on the individual page. though now that i think about it, i don't think we really should even have a merge page. We don't have pages that contain the transcripts for all of the strong bad emails in one place, do we? Though, on second thought, it might be nice to have all of the character intros in one place. The drawback is that the toon page has to have all sorts of noinclude tags all over the place that look out of place when editing sections and might confuse people. — Defender1031*Talk 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- If the character videos are individual toons, shouldn't they deserve their own articles like all the other toons on the website? I never quite felt comfortable with the transcripts being merged with the character's articles. I quite like DeFender's prototype and can't quite see what difficulties he's referring to. It may take a bit of work to implement the idea, but it's not impossible and could work out well. We could provide links to each article at Character Videos! But whatever we do, I definitely do not like the idea of putting all twelve transcripts on one page, as things would then get cluttered. – The Chort 18:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've long wondered why the character transcripts are on the character pages meself... but let's wait until there's consensus before moving them, please. --Jay (Talk) 23:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, i'm willing to do it, and i think each one shouyld have its own page. The only question is, should there be a combined page as well? — Defender1031*Talk 08:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- You mean repeat all the transcripts on two different articles? No, there's no need for that. Just turn Character Videos into a disambiguation by providing links to each transcript. I look forward to seeing the transcripts as individual articles soon. – The Chort 19:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, i'm willing to do it, and i think each one shouyld have its own page. The only question is, should there be a combined page as well? — Defender1031*Talk 08:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Please keep this. It makes much more sense than spreading them apart.--Jellote 13:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Does it? I'm sorry but I still don't see a lot of sense in combining twelve different toons into one long article. To me, everything seems a bit squashed together, as if each of these transcripts denote a different section of one long toon, and none of the Fun Facts are anywhere near their respective toons. And as I have already said, if you wanted to link to a certain character video, instead of typing Homestar Runner's Character Video (which is easy enough to remember), you'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Homestar Runner instead (which is much longer and harder to remember, especially if you're new to the wiki). I know that redirect pages can take care of these sort of mistakes, but we tend to avoid linking to redirect pages when we should really be linking to the article's correct title. – The Chort 14:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the transcripts should be on separate pages from the character's article, and each on it's own page. Even though they are short, they are separate toons on the site. If it's easy then we can do the
<noinclude>tags such that the transcript can be transcluded into the character articles. I think it would be fine to just include body the transcript itself (i.e. omit the fun facts etc), with a link to the full transcript. I don't see a benefit in having one big article, a short disambig-type page could be put here. Or if the listing in Character Videos is updated appropriately, this page could simply redirect there. —98.222.134.36 16:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the transcripts should be on separate pages from the character's article, and each on it's own page. Even though they are short, they are separate toons on the site. If it's easy then we can do the
- Does it? I'm sorry but I still don't see a lot of sense in combining twelve different toons into one long article. To me, everything seems a bit squashed together, as if each of these transcripts denote a different section of one long toon, and none of the Fun Facts are anywhere near their respective toons. And as I have already said, if you wanted to link to a certain character video, instead of typing Homestar Runner's Character Video (which is easy enough to remember), you'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Homestar Runner instead (which is much longer and harder to remember, especially if you're new to the wiki). I know that redirect pages can take care of these sort of mistakes, but we tend to avoid linking to redirect pages when we should really be linking to the article's correct title. – The Chort 14:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
