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I think this is a good idea, but I don't think it's perfect. How can we improve it? I welcome your suggestions below. On the other hand, maybe you think this is a bad idea, or maybe you have a better one. Your criticisms are welcome, as well.
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Can you improve the design? If so, I welcome your suggestions below. On the other hand, maybe you think this is a bad idea, or maybe you have a better one. Your criticisms are welcome, as well.
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==This format is complicated==
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==Ease of use==
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The code just to list a fact is so complicated. It will be difficult to make this work.
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My first attempt at STUFF reform looked good, but it was needlessly complicated. This new version is not only attractive but also straightforward and modular. The code is very simple, and I was able to create [[User:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Real-world_examples|example facts]] without having to refer to my notes. A child could do this! (Thanks to Jay for giving me ideas and suggestions on how to fix it.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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:I tried to simplify the process as much as possible. I even created a [[User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|template]] to help streamline matters. Sure, it will take some getting used to, but there are enough technically savvy people on the wiki to make this run smoothly. If worse came to worst, a user could post a fact in the old style, and someone else could clean it up, much like on the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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::P.S. While creating the main page, I discovered that the general setup really wasn't too hard at all.
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But this business about the alternating colors and so on... somebody's going to mess it up.
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:I intended the alternating colors to be an aid, not a stumbling block. If two adjacent facts had the same color, that wouldn't be so bad. And again, there are always Gnomes willing to fix what needs fixin'. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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==Specialized signatures do not work==
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==Specialized signatures==
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Fancy signatures (such as those used by [[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]], '''<tt>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">Thunderbird</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]]</tt>''', and {{User:JoeyDay/sig}}, just to name a few) cause the table of votes to be rendered incorrectly. (Also, external links in the fun fact cause a similar problem.)
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Fancy signatures (such as those used by [[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]], '''<tt>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">Thunderbird</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<span style="color:#CC9900; text-decoration:underline">&#8660;</span>]]</tt>''', and {{User:JoeyDay/sig}}, just to name a few) now work just fine (thanks to Jay for the suggestion). Users should sign using only 3 tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~</nowiki></code>) so that only their names are displayed. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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:I don't know what the precise technical problem is here, but anything other than the regular "<code><nowiki>[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]</nowiki></code>" wreaks havoc on the template. A possible solution for those with special sigs would be simply to type their names in plain text (without a link). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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::Jay has given me an idea to fix this. I will revise my format shortly. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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==Votes to Revise==
==Votes to Revise==
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Currently, we have a choice to vote '''Revise.''' Where is the provision for this in the new format?
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We now have a coherent method to revise facts (thanks to Jay for the idea). The revised fact goes after the votes for the main fact, and it has its own votes. (The specifics of this method still need to be ironed out, but at least we do have a plan.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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:I don't have a good answer for this, other than to point out that we ''currently'' have no good policy toward Revise votes. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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::Jay has given me an idea to fix this. I will revise my format shortly. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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==Delteated==
==Delteated==
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==Comments About The Page==
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Let me be the first to say thank you to Dot Com, for all the work and thought he's put into this. I for one, think it's excellent. <span style="color:gray">It is a bit complicated to add a vote, which could be a problem, but</span> if all users can become adept at using this format, I think it'll be a vast improvment. <span style="color:gray">I'm kinda bummed that the specialized siggies don't work, maybe try asking our [[User:JoeyDay|<span style="color:gray; text-decoration:underline">resident coder</span>]] for any ideas on how to fix this, but</span> all in all I'm very impressed with Dot Com and what he's put together here. Here's a vote for putting Dot Com at the helm of the page, he seems to have his course set right. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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Let me be the first to say thank you to Dot Com, for all the work and thought he's put into this. I for one, think it's excellent. It is a bit complicated to add a vote, which could be a problem, but if all users can become adept at using this format, I think it'll be a vast improvment. I'm kinda bummed that the specialized siggies don't work, maybe try asking our [[User:JoeyDay|resident coder]] for any ideas on how to fix this, but all in all I'm very impressed with Dot Com and what he's put together here. Here's a vote for putting Dot Com at the helm of the page, he seems to have his course set right. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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:It is now a piece of cake to add a vote&mdash;and the specialized signatures now work just great.&mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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==I think I has the solution!==
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Well, sort of. It fixes the "specialized sig" problem, and the "Revise" problem. But then it adds the problem of "no fact-specific edit button." And, although it's actually just as complicated, maybe even more so, it's a bit easier to read (no need for comments... so long as all the little templates are in the right order, it will work fine and it'll be pretty easy to tell what's going on.) It is [[User:Jay/STUFF Reform Reform|here]]. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 09:33, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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:I think you've got something here. I will try to incorporate your suggestions later today. Work and the ''Star Wars'' premiere may interfere, so patience, everyone, patience. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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::I built [[User:JoeyDay/STUFF Reform|my own mock-up]] too. It's not very pretty (we can fix that later), but the code is even more concise than Jay's. It doesn't have borders around individual fun facts, but that's part of what makes it simpler and should make it easier for folks to add their votes. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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== Name Signing ==
== Name Signing ==

Revision as of 20:45, 18 May 2005

Can you improve the design? If so, I welcome your suggestions below. On the other hand, maybe you think this is a bad idea, or maybe you have a better one. Your criticisms are welcome, as well.

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Ease of use

My first attempt at STUFF reform looked good, but it was needlessly complicated. This new version is not only attractive but also straightforward and modular. The code is very simple, and I was able to create example facts without having to refer to my notes. A child could do this! (Thanks to Jay for giving me ideas and suggestions on how to fix it.) — It's dot com 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Specialized signatures

Fancy signatures (such as those used by Jay (Talk), Thunderbird, and wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits), just to name a few) now work just fine (thanks to Jay for the suggestion). Users should sign using only 3 tildes (~~~) so that only their names are displayed. — It's dot com 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Votes to Revise

We now have a coherent method to revise facts (thanks to Jay for the idea). The revised fact goes after the votes for the main fact, and it has its own votes. (The specifics of this method still need to be ironed out, but at least we do have a plan.) — It's dot com 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Delteated

Some of my favorite decline votes are Delteated, This Decline is part of a balanced breakfast, and And I really don't like him at all (quoting the song by Marzipan). What will happen to these?

Well, they'll be gone. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in the name of progress. (As a side note, however, when I was doing research for this item, I noticed that some people really aren't as clever as they think they are... and some people's decline votes are just weird and long.) — It's dot com 04:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Comments About The Page

Let me be the first to say thank you to Dot Com, for all the work and thought he's put into this. I for one, think it's excellent. It is a bit complicated to add a vote, which could be a problem, but if all users can become adept at using this format, I think it'll be a vast improvment. I'm kinda bummed that the specialized siggies don't work, maybe try asking our resident coder for any ideas on how to fix this, but all in all I'm very impressed with Dot Com and what he's put together here. Here's a vote for putting Dot Com at the helm of the page, he seems to have his course set right. Thunderbird 05:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

It is now a piece of cake to add a vote—and the specialized signatures now work just great.— It's dot com 20:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Name Signing

If this new format is used, I'm not going to make my points be anonymous. I'ld sign my name right after my comment. Just wanting you to know that, because with the way you made it, there's no nametags after the comments and stuff. -- Joshua 11:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I did that on purpose, because I think that signing the arguments makes people feel like they have to chime in with their two cents, even if they don't really have something to say. Without signing, I think the arguments can speak for themselves, subject to the following proposed guidelines:
  1. Do not delete arguments; only add them.
  2. You may revise or merge arguments, as long as the substance of the argument(s) does not change. See (1) above.
  3. Do not add arguments that offer nothing new, i.e., do not merely second someone else's thought.
It's dot com 15:04, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I like this idea. Not attributing arguments to any one person feels more like the wiki way. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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