User talk:Darth Katana X

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Darth, this is another drastic change that must be approved by community consensus. The Homestar Runner Universe it not only a website. Please cease and desist now. Heimstern Läufer

"Homestar Runner universe" is a fanon term and anyone with eyes can see that "Homestar web site" doesn't sound dilusional while "Homestar universe" very much does. Think about it for a moment, if you're telling a friend about Homestar Runner, you call it a "web site" and not "universe." Why? Because unless you're inventing a new religion here, "universe" sounds straight weird in real life. And it sounds just as weird on the Internet. — Darth Katana X ( )

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I was a bit panicked at all those changes. But I still disagree with your changes and request that you begin discussion and get consensus rather than just doing it. Heimstern Läufer 05:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, cool. I just realized something, you need to be a bit more careful with your words: "the Homestar universe it not only a web site" sort of implies that the universe actually exists. — Darth Katana X ( )

universe n. 3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. (source)

To describe something as happening in the Homestar Runner universe is a bona fide use of the term. It is a fine word, not fanon. (See also fictional universe at Wikipedia.) Please stop interpreting everything you believe we made up as crimes against nature. — It's dot com 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to write this myself earlier, but I was already late for a meeting (crazy Beijing time zone...) Anyway, the reason I believe the term "universe" works fine is that it is a fictional universe, i.e., a complete, somewhat coherent, yet not real existence (yes, I realize that's a bit of an oxymoron). That's my argument for keping the status quo. Heimstern Läufer 07:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the use of the phrase 'Homestar Runner universe' on this wiki, but not because I consider it 'fanon' or anything. Just because in alternate universe it was revealed that each reality in the website is a different universe, making the website a "multiverse" of sorts. And I don't suggest we use that term. - Joshua 22:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point. Homestar Runner seems to have different "universes" if you even want to call it that. Thanks for not being too strong to accept change. Why even bother trying to make up an excuse for a term that sounds very dysfunctional? Besides, for the non-nerds visiting, it would be a courtesy not to alienate them with use of the language Geek. If you're not a nerd, Homestar Runner is a "web site" to you, not a "universe," fictional or otherwise. — Darth Katana X ( )

Again with the slights. Katana, I am neither a "nerd" nor am I "dysfunctional", yet I have not found a better alternative than "universe" to describe the phenomenon. "Website" is too limiting - what about the CD? The DVDs? However, I agree with Joshua that, since in canon we see that the Homestar "universe" is a bunch of sub-universes, "universe" is sub-optimal. Still, to make a change, we need a viable alternative that isn't reasonably assailable. So, what then? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  07:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

"Homestar Runner"? For example, rather than "this is a running gag in the Homestar Runner universe," just "this is a running gag in Homestar Runner." Simple, straightforward, and, well, anything is better than "Homestar universe," even "Homestartopia" would be better! — Darth Katana X ( )

"Homestar Runner" is clearly out, as it isn't sufficiently disambiguated fro the character. I'm of the mind that the character would be referred to far more than the "media extravaganza" so "Homestar Runner (character)" isn't a good solution for me. What to TBC refer to their collective output as? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  08:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

So this as come again down to how we actually call the article, and what is going to be decided here. If the majority (as it seems now) is going to choose "homestarrunner.com" as the name the problem is solved as the name is distinctively different from the character. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 09:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

No, that's not right. That discussion is talking about what to call everything that is related to homestarrunner.com: the website, the CD, the DVDs, the interviews, the process, the fictional realm itself, everything. The phrase Homestar Runner universe is distinct from that. The universe, in this case, is the fictional realm in which these characters live. You wouldn't say they live on a website or a DVD. Rather, they live in the fictional Free Country USA. And you're misinterpreting the multiverse aspect. All of those sub-universes are subordinate to the main H*R universe, just like how in Star Trek there are multiple universes, yet it is still appropriate to refer to the entire fictional realm as the Star Trek universe. — It's dot com 16:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Who cares? "Homestar Runner universe" still sounds dilusional. Think about it, what would you think if a Ren & Stimpy Wiki made up the "Ren & Stimpy universe" and said stupid stuff like "the word 'eediot' is a running gag within the Ren & Stimpy universe"? You'd think "whoa, they're blowing this out of proportion," right? Well, it's basically the same thing here. I vote just Homestar Runner. — Darth Katana X ( )

No, I wouldn't think that's delusional at all, and judging by the pages and pages written about the concept of the fictional universe and related subjects at Wikipedia and elsewhere, I feel safe in saying that most people wouldn't find the phrase "Ren & Stimpy universe" a delusional thing to say. According to the dictionary reference above, that's exactly how the word universe is supposed to be used. You can find a fictional universe for just about every work of fiction, even ones that are not science fiction, and these universes can be compared and contrasted with each other (like the DC Comics and Marvel Comics universes) or with reality (for example, in the Friends universe, Days of our Lives is filmed in New York and starred one Joey Tribbani (it's really filmed in L.A.), and in the West Wing universe, although a lot of real-life events occur, it's particularly notable that the events of September 11, 2001, did not happen at all like we know them). — It's dot com 23:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be misunderstanding the term 'universe' here, Darth Katana X. The American Heritage dictionary lists multiple meanings. The first is the one you seem to be complaining about: "1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole.", while It's dot com means it with the meaning "3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place." (as he already stated), which is often used in discussion fictional worlds. It's a common phrase, makes sense, isn't fanon, and is definitely better than "Homestartopia". (And just because you aren't familiar with it doesn't nessecarily make it uncommon.) - Joshua 02:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)