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Darth, this is another drastic change that must be approved by community consensus. The Homestar Runner Universe it not ''only'' a website. Please cease and desist now. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}}
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Hello zombie. In the context of previous discussions you had on this wiki, I can only assume that moving [[Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe]] without discussion was trolling. Don't do it again, or you will be blocked.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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:"Homestar Runner universe" is a fanon term and anyone with eyes can see that "Homestar web site" doesn't sound dilusional while "Homestar universe" very much ''does''. Think about it for a moment, if you're telling a friend about Homestar Runner, you call it a "web site" and not "universe." Why? Because unless you're inventing a new religion here, "universe" sounds straight ''weird'' in real life. And it sounds just as weird on the Internet. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:If you sincerely think that's trolling, you're not very smart. If not, you're just a big meanie. :( [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What is a troll|Read this]] and learn what real trolling is all about, O misguided one. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 10:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I was a bit panicked at all those changes. But I still disagree with your changes and request that you begin discussion and get consensus rather than just doing it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::Alright, cool. I just realized something, you need to be a bit more careful with your words: "the Homestar universe it not ''only'' a web site" sort of implies that the universe actually exists. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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::You should be aware, and if you're not then I need to make you aware, that ''based on the definitions put forth on the page linked to above, <u>you are a troll</u>.'' In particular:<blockquote>Trolling refers to deliberate and intentional attempts to disrupt the usability of [an online venue, such as a wiki,] for its editors, administrators, developers, and other people who work to create content for and help run [it]. Trolling is deliberate violation of the implicit rules of Internet social spaces.</blockquote>
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::You should know by now that {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Darth_Katana_X&oldid=378542 nobody agrees with you}} concerning the term "universe" (and, ''come on'', are we ''still'' having that discussion? Can you really not see that it is a perfectly good dictionary word? Can you really not see its widespread and legitimate use in both print and online sources? Can you really not see how it applies to Homestar Runner? Even The Brothers Chaps [[:Image:Sketchbook 3-8-07.PNG|use the term]]. [[Why Come Only One Girl?#Transcript|Often]]. It's time to start agreeing with us on that issue). Therefore, moving the page without discussion because you personally consider the term to be "jargon" (when you are fully aware that the consensus of the other users of this wiki is that it is not a jargon term) must be interpreted by us as intentional disruption.
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::&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you sincerely think that it's ''not'' trolling, well, I'll let you read your own post. There are [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What is a troll#Misidentified trolls|several suggestions]] on the page you linked to for how not to come across as a troll when people think you are one. The first one pretty much sums it up well: If people are saying you're a troll because you do a particular thing, don't do that thing. If you ever hope to get along here, then you're gonna have to revolutionize your approach, especially in the area of rephrasing your viewpoints. Namely:
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::*You're hostile. By this point, we're all predisposed to disagree with you just because every time you post we have to gear up for a fight.
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::*Rather than present reasoned, sourced arguments, you attack us with terms like "fanboy-esque" and make unfounded claims that untold numbers of "users may be turned off" by inconsequential things.
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::*When making a potentially controversial suggestion, you poison the well with an edit summary that reads, in part, "Do your worst."
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::*You attack the administration and processes of the wiki using underhanded edit summaries like "Big boy with the banning power didn't change a thing".
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::*Most recently, you have repeatedly called a particular sysop "misguided" in an attempt to smear his name (or perhaps bait us into a flame war) when in fact you are proving him to be right on the money.
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::Over the last year or so, a around a dozen people have written you pages and pages about how to be a better user within this community. Please heed our advice. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::'''universe''' ''n.'' '''3.''' The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. ([http://www.bartleby.com/61/90/U0089000.html source])
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:::Well, I guess I ''am'' a troll of sorts, but my moving the page was well-intentioned. I think that if I weren't the scum of the wiki, many would agree with my edit. I'm more of a misunderstood WikiAnarchist with good intentions. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 18:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::To describe something as happening in the Homestar Runner universe is a bona fide use of the term. It is a fine word, not fanon. (See also [[Wikipedia:Fictional universe|fictional universe]] at Wikipedia.) Please stop interpreting everything you believe we made up as crimes against nature. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::See, it's not what you want to do (per se) but the way you go about doing it. You shouldn't move a page for the reason you moved it without discussion. Or, given the fact that we have had that discussion ad nauseum, you simply shouldn't have moved the page at all. We really don't need anarchy around here. Please stop being a troll of ''any'' sort. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::::I wanted to write this myself earlier, but I was already late for a meeting (crazy Beijing time zone...) Anyway, the reason I believe the term "universe" works fine is that it is a ''fictional universe'', i.e., a complete, somewhat coherent, yet not real existence (yes, I realize that's a bit of an oxymoron). That's my argument for keping the status quo. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::I disagree with the use of the phrase 'Homestar Runner universe' on this wiki, but not because I consider it 'fanon' or anything. Just because in [[alternate universe]] it was revealed that each reality in the website is a different universe, making the website a "multiverse" of sorts. And I don't suggest we use that term. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::That's a good point. Homestar Runner seems to have different "universes" if you even want to call it that. Thanks for not being too strong to accept change. Why even bother trying to make up an excuse for a term that sounds very dysfunctional? Besides, for the non-nerds visiting, it would be a courtesy not to alienate them with use of the language Geek. If you're not a nerd, Homestar Runner is a "web site" to you, not a "universe," fictional or otherwise. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:::::It had nothing to do with the term or jargon, but that the title is drawn-out and "Inconsistencies" is perfectly concise and is a more natural name for the page. I know I cheese off most of you, but do keep in mind that I am a very lighthearted person and sometimes (most times?) I mean things with ''far less'' extremeness/evilness than they could be interpreted with (like the anti-HRWiki note I left on Wikipedia one time, which I regret). {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 18:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::::Again with the slights. Katana, I am neither a "nerd" nor am I "dysfunctional", yet I have not found a better alternative than "universe" to describe the phenomenon. "Website" is too limiting - what about the CD? The DVDs? However, I agree with Joshua that, since in canon we see that the Homestar "universe" is a bunch of sub-universes, "universe" is sub-optimal. Still, to make a change, we need a viable alternative that isn't reasonably assailable. So, what then? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::::"Homestar Runner"? For example, rather than "this is a running gag in the Homestar Runner universe," just "this is a running gag in Homestar Runner." Simple, straightforward, and, well, anything is better than "Homestar universe," even "Homestartopia" would be better!  {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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== Hey DKX ==
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::::::::"Homestar Runner" is clearly out, as it isn't sufficiently disambiguated fro the character. I'm of the mind that the character would be referred to far more than the "media extravaganza" so "Homestar Runner (character)" isn't a good solution for me. What to TBC refer to their collective output as? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::::::So this as come again down to how we actually call the article, and what is going to be decided [[Talk:Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)#Homestar Runner (What the heck is it?)|here]]. If the majority (as it seems now) is going to choose "homestarrunner.com" as the name the problem is solved as the name is distinctively different from the character. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::::::::No, that's not right. That discussion is talking about what to call everything that is related to homestarrunner.com: the website, the CD, the DVDs, the interviews, the process, the fictional realm itself, ''everything''. The phrase ''Homestar Runner universe'' is distinct from that. The universe, in this case, is the fictional realm in which these characters live. You wouldn't say they ''live'' on a website or a DVD. Rather, they live in the fictional [[Free Country USA]]. And you're misinterpreting the multiverse aspect. All of those sub-universes are subordinate to the main H*R universe, just like how in Star Trek there are multiple universes, yet it is still appropriate to refer to the entire fictional realm as the ''Star Trek universe''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Who cares? "Homestar Runner universe" still sounds dilusional. Think about it, what would you think if a Ren & Stimpy Wiki made up the "Ren & Stimpy universe" and said stupid stuff like "the word 'eediot' is a running gag within the Ren & Stimpy universe"? You'd think "whoa, they're blowing this out of proportion," right? Well, it's basically the same thing here. I vote just Homestar Runner. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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I'm noticing you're expressing interest in being more of a contributor. i think that's great. You might want to think about being less [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Inconsistencies_Within_the_Homestar_Runner_Universe&diff=prev&oldid=426449 curt] with the people with whom you need to work. I can tell you that [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Qermaq/Talk_Archive_1#Easy_does_it everyone] needs to learn this at some point. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::::::::::No, I wouldn't think that's delusional at all, and judging by the pages and pages written about the concept of the fictional universe and related subjects at Wikipedia and elsewhere, I feel safe in saying that most people wouldn't find the phrase "Ren & Stimpy universe" a delusional thing to say. According to the dictionary reference above, that's exactly how the word ''universe'' is supposed to be used. You can find a fictional universe for just about every work of fiction, even ones that are not science fiction, and these universes can be compared and contrasted with each other (like the DC Comics and Marvel Comics universes) or with reality (for example, in the ''Friends'' universe, ''Days of our Lives'' is filmed in New York and starred one Joey Tribbani (it's really filmed in L.A.), and in the ''West Wing'' universe, although a lot of real-life events occur, it's particularly notable that the events of September 11, 2001, did not happen at all like we know them). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the acknowledgement. It means a lot. Good to see ''somebody'' doesn't identify me as a troll. ;) And yeah, I'll try to be nicer for sure. I am right now! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 06:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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You seem to be misunderstanding the term 'universe' here, Darth Katana X. The American Heritage dictionary lists multiple meanings. The first is the one you seem to be complaining about: ''"1.  All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole."'', while It's dot com means it with the meaning ''"3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place."'' (as he already stated), which is often used in discussion fictional worlds. It's a common phrase, makes sense, isn't fanon, and is definitely better than "Homestartopia". (And just because you aren't familiar with it doesn't nessecarily make it uncommon.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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:Sure, whatever. But think about this, on [[Wookieepedia:Main Page|Wookieepedia]], they don't use slogan such as "the phrase 'galaxy far, far away' is an element within the Star Wars universe" because it sounds wrong. They use the word "Star Wars," and ''sometimes'' "Star Wars galaxy" because official Lucasfilm media uses that too, but not to the point of "annoyingdom." C'mon, it's obvious that the only reason you people want to keep "Homestar universe" is because you don't feel like changing it. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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::Note that the page you cite mentions "Real-world categories" and "In-universe categories". [[Wookieepedia:Category:In-universe articles]] reads "This category is for topics that exist within the ''Star Wars'' universe." So what's your point again? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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Darth Katana, I see that you're trying to clean up the article [[Rap]], most likely for the [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]] project. If you've never heard of this before, it's basically cleaning up featured articles so that we can record them in .ogg later on. Rap isn't on the [[User:Brightstar Shiner/Featured Article Cleanup|list]], but you can keep doing that one anyway. If you'd like to take part in this project, I think it might raise your reputation around this wiki a little more. One final note, though: Please use the preview button so that you don't clog recent changes. Thank you, -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::In fact, there are <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Astarwars.wikia.com+%22star+wars+universe%22 about 782]</span> occurrences of the phrase "Star Wars universe" at Wookieepedia (not to mention the over 1.3 ''million'' hits on the Web at large). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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:I didn't know about that, but it sounds cool. I'll check it out. And sorry for being a messy editor. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 23:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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::Anyway, to address your last assertion, that the only reason anyone wants to keep "universe" is a reluctance to change, I think you've got about half of it. The other half is this: I'd support changing it in an instant '''if''' a better alternative presented itself. Thus far, that has not happened. When the existing way to do something isn't terribly bad after all, and we don't have a better way at hand, then how the heck ''can'' we change it for the better? And why? That's the issue we face here - there's simply no better way that I can see than the way we have it. There indeed might be a better way, but we haven't figured that out yet. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::I agree with that in principle (except that I would change "isn't terribly bad" to "is pretty good"). In researching this topic, I have found that ''universe'' is the dominant term for "fictional realm". I will be genuinely surprised if there ''is'' a better way to be discovered. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::I hate having to repeat myself because none of you ever pay attention to what I have to say. Does "crap is a crucial element within the Homestar Runner universe" sound good? No. Does "Engrish is often used in the Homestar universe" sound good? No. Would the Brothers Chaps ''ever'' condone using garbled Star Wars or Harry Potter or Tolkien speak in regards to their silly cartoon? No! <small>(Unless they're really weird.)</small> Why? Because Homestar Runner isn't some fantasy, it's a goofy site, so even if you can think of excuses regarding other fiction, it doesn't really matter.
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::::Also, on the subject of Wookieepedia, they know when use of "Star Wars galaxy" or "universe" sounds right (yes, for '''real''' fantasy like Star Wars, there ''are'' times when it sounds right) and when it sounds wrong. Like, they wouldn't say "Galactic Basic Standard is a (Star Wars fandom equivilant to 'running gag') within the Star Wars universe." It sounds bad.
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There's nothing like lurking the bowels of the HRWiki for the first time in a year and seeing your name again. Glad to see you've matured since your early days. I think we all have. Of course, that is with the exception of the new kiddies. &mdash;{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 17:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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::::A good alternative is just Homestar Runner. In a conversation, I'd say "Trogdor is a character in Homestar Runner," not "within the Homestar Runner universe." It sounds as nerdy as it does unofficial as it does stupid. I'm sorry, but it's just the facts, ma'am (or sir, whoever is reading). {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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== Homestar Runner (that thing on the computer that your little brother won't stop watching) ==
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:::::K, if you think we haven't been paying attention to what you're saying, then there's no way this conversation is going to go anywhere. Good night. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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''"Sounds like a good idea to me! I know my little brother won't stop watching it!"''<br>
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:::::Katana, reality check time. What you've restated here is ''opinion''. It is not fact. What we have countered your opinions with has been, plainly and simply, statements indicating our opinions haven't been swayed by your arguments. I'm sorry if it's a blow to your world/universe/whatever that we aren't convinced that what you see as a problem is indeed a problem, but there we are. Writing it off as "none of you ever pay attention" is awfully immature - why do you suppose this thread has continued so long? Would that have happened if we were not paying any attention to you?
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I LOL'd. xP {{User:Power Pie/sig}}
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:::::Your argument amounts to "I believe the word ''universe'' isn't a good word to describe the totality of the H*R experience." I can't say I believe that. You can continue to repeat your opinion here, but I'm doubtful I'll suddenly no longer see ''universe'' as a suitable word as a result. And this is not a reflection on you, it's a reflection on the nature of the word in question, so please don't take that personally. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::Katana, I hate having to repeat myself because you don't pay attention to what I have to say. First of all, in casual conversation, the phrase "Trogdor is a character in Homestar Runner" might be adequate, but for a knowledge base, we need to be more specific. Second, we are <u>not making up</u> the term ''universe''. It is not nerdy. It is not unofficial. It is a <u>dictionary word</u> with an established meaning. Notice the lowercase ''u-''. It's not a title. It's not fanon. It is a noun that means "the fictional place where the characters of a work would exist ''if they were real''." The acknowledgement of the existence of a fictional universe (whether we're talking about ''Star Wars'', ''Back to the Future'', or whatever) is what makes serious discussion possible. Last, the use of the term ''Homestar Runner universe'' is <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.google.com/search?q=%22homestar+runner+universe%22+-site:hrwiki.org+-site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner_Wiki&num=100&as_qdr=all not specific to this wiki]</span>. Oh, and please stop resorting to calling us stupid in an attempt to make a point. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::::I didn't call any of you stupid, unless you are all the word "universe." Anyway, I don't know what else to say without sounding redundant. No matter what I do, you guys will never see that I'm right just because I'm "unimportant," but whatever. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:::::::I knew you would say that, but I put it that way anyway. I really feel like you're calling us all stupid by extension. I'm not sure what you're looking for with your "unimportant" comment there. Validation? Acknowledgement of your existence? Guess what... you exist. Now be quiet about that already. I and others have, with open minds, thoroughly and sincerely considered your arguments, yet we remain unconvinced. You must therefore consider for a moment that you ''just might not be right''. If you can't even consider that, then there is nothing else to discuss. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::::::Darth, we do indeed look to find out if you're right: note what Dorian and Qermaq said on [[Category talk:Running Gags]]. I would hazard that the fact that people aren't too quick to agree with you is not because you're "unimportant", but because you have lost your credibility (this is certainly the case in my mind) by your continuous rudeness and occasional decisions to disregard the wiki community and make drastic changes without consensus. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::::::::Whatever, you and It's dot com are right about that, but let's get back to the matter at hand: even if the term "universe" doesn't seem flimsy to you, it's most likely inaccurate as Joshua has pointed out because Homestar Runner has different "universes," so, for example, all of the Engrish used isn't in one universe, but in multiple ones, Homestar's world, Stinkoman's world, Teen Girl Squads' world, et cetera. Likewise, if we just keep it like this because either we can't think of a better term, we don't feel like going through the rigamarole of replacing all use of the term, or both, this will end up just like the [[Visor Robot]] fiasco, stressing over something and never fixing it. So, let's get some ideas. Because no matter where you stand in this debate, there are flaws involved in the whole "Homestar universe" thing. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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::::::::::Either you missed it or are ignoring it, so I'll restate the fine point Dot com made earlier: "''...you're misinterpreting the multiverse aspect. All of those sub-universes are subordinate to the main H*R universe, just like how in Star Trek there are multiple universes, yet it is still appropriate to refer to the entire fictional realm as the Star Trek universe.''" Your points have been made, they have been listened to and weighed by the community (including yourself), and the majority has reasoned that universe is a perfectly acceptable way of describing Homestar Runner. Any further discussion on the matter will likely only be going around in circles, repeating things stated, just like I've already repeated Dot com's well put prior comment. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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Whatever, this is starting to sound ''extremely'' nerdy. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:You say that as if it was a bad thing. :P - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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::What I mean is that applying such nerdulence to Homestar Runner in order to come up with an excuse to use the term "universe" isn't much different than using such talk to describe Ren & Stimpy or Robot Chicken. No one cares about the "Robot Chicken multiverse" or any other fantasy book-induced assumptions like that. Or at least no one ''normal''. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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Ummmmm... [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Dancin%27_Bubs&curid=1250&diff=369767&oldid=369516&rcid=319875 why'cha call me a moron?] My edits weren't ''that'' bad... --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 04:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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:Alright you guys. Dispense of all the whosits and name-calling. You two are old enough to take it to the talk page instead of starting an edit war. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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::Old enough? For all you know I'm still in my mother's womb! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:::Wireless Internet, huh? THAT'S AMAZING! {{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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::::OK, no more jokes now. I'm sorry for calling you a moron. It was the testosterone talking, which I was, at the time, possessed by. Sorry, man. Peace. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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:Sorry! I was in a hurry to get all the arrangements regarding the [[retirement]] saga done and didn't even think about it! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
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::Heh, no prob.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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:Cool. That link also gives you tips on how to use your sig with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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Hello zombie. In the context of previous discussions you had on this wiki, I can only assume that moving Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe without discussion was trolling. Don't do it again, or you will be blocked. Loafing 20:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If you sincerely think that's trolling, you're not very smart. If not, you're just a big meanie. :( Read this and learn what real trolling is all about, O misguided one. — Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif) 10:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
You should be aware, and if you're not then I need to make you aware, that based on the definitions put forth on the page linked to above, you are a troll. In particular:
Trolling refers to deliberate and intentional attempts to disrupt the usability of [an online venue, such as a wiki,] for its editors, administrators, developers, and other people who work to create content for and help run [it]. Trolling is deliberate violation of the implicit rules of Internet social spaces.
You should know by now that nobody agrees with you concerning the term "universe" (and, come on, are we still having that discussion? Can you really not see that it is a perfectly good dictionary word? Can you really not see its widespread and legitimate use in both print and online sources? Can you really not see how it applies to Homestar Runner? Even The Brothers Chaps use the term. Often. It's time to start agreeing with us on that issue). Therefore, moving the page without discussion because you personally consider the term to be "jargon" (when you are fully aware that the consensus of the other users of this wiki is that it is not a jargon term) must be interpreted by us as intentional disruption.
    If you sincerely think that it's not trolling, well, I'll let you read your own post. There are several suggestions on the page you linked to for how not to come across as a troll when people think you are one. The first one pretty much sums it up well: If people are saying you're a troll because you do a particular thing, don't do that thing. If you ever hope to get along here, then you're gonna have to revolutionize your approach, especially in the area of rephrasing your viewpoints. Namely:
  • You're hostile. By this point, we're all predisposed to disagree with you just because every time you post we have to gear up for a fight.
  • Rather than present reasoned, sourced arguments, you attack us with terms like "fanboy-esque" and make unfounded claims that untold numbers of "users may be turned off" by inconsequential things.
  • When making a potentially controversial suggestion, you poison the well with an edit summary that reads, in part, "Do your worst."
  • You attack the administration and processes of the wiki using underhanded edit summaries like "Big boy with the banning power didn't change a thing".
  • Most recently, you have repeatedly called a particular sysop "misguided" in an attempt to smear his name (or perhaps bait us into a flame war) when in fact you are proving him to be right on the money.
Over the last year or so, a around a dozen people have written you pages and pages about how to be a better user within this community. Please heed our advice. — It's dot com 16:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess I am a troll of sorts, but my moving the page was well-intentioned. I think that if I weren't the scum of the wiki, many would agree with my edit. I'm more of a misunderstood WikiAnarchist with good intentions. — Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif) 18:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
See, it's not what you want to do (per se) but the way you go about doing it. You shouldn't move a page for the reason you moved it without discussion. Or, given the fact that we have had that discussion ad nauseum, you simply shouldn't have moved the page at all. We really don't need anarchy around here. Please stop being a troll of any sort. — It's dot com 18:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
It had nothing to do with the term or jargon, but that the title is drawn-out and "Inconsistencies" is perfectly concise and is a more natural name for the page. I know I cheese off most of you, but do keep in mind that I am a very lighthearted person and sometimes (most times?) I mean things with far less extremeness/evilness than they could be interpreted with (like the anti-HRWiki note I left on Wikipedia one time, which I regret). — Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif) 18:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey DKX

I'm noticing you're expressing interest in being more of a contributor. i think that's great. You might want to think about being less curt with the people with whom you need to work. I can tell you that everyone needs to learn this at some point. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the acknowledgement. It means a lot. Good to see somebody doesn't identify me as a troll. ;) And yeah, I'll try to be nicer for sure. I am right now! — Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif) 06:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning Up Articles

Darth Katana, I see that you're trying to clean up the article Rap, most likely for the HRWiki:Spoken Articles project. If you've never heard of this before, it's basically cleaning up featured articles so that we can record them in .ogg later on. Rap isn't on the list, but you can keep doing that one anyway. If you'd like to take part in this project, I think it might raise your reputation around this wiki a little more. One final note, though: Please use the preview button so that you don't clog recent changes. Thank you, -Brightstar Shiner 23:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know about that, but it sounds cool. I'll check it out. And sorry for being a messy editor. — Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif) 23:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well, look at you

There's nothing like lurking the bowels of the HRWiki for the first time in a year and seeing your name again. Glad to see you've matured since your early days. I think we all have. Of course, that is with the exception of the new kiddies. —Zelinda 17:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Homestar Runner (that thing on the computer that your little brother won't stop watching)

"Sounds like a good idea to me! I know my little brother won't stop watching it!"
I LOL'd. xP PowerFile:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.pngPie

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