Editing Talk:Homestar Runner Goes for the Gold

==Mister Beatles==
We have two warring versions of which song Homestar is referring to with his first line, and thing is... ''both are correct''. Both "Broken Wings" and "Blackbird" contain the phrase Homestar says ("take these broken wings and learn to fly") in their lyrics. Now, given the other two lines, obviously he is referring to a song. But which do we report? The Beatles did come first, but Mr. Mister is more contemporary of the other two... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:47, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:Literally nobody knows who Mr. Mister is. --[[Special:Contributions/50.175.128.158|50.175.128.158]] 08:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
::I don't see why we can't mention both. For the record, I was thinking of ''only'' the Mr. Mister song (it's right in the title) and had to give the Beatles song a fresh listen to remember that that lyric was in it too. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 09:11, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:::If I had to choose one, I'd choose "Blackbird" because the Mr. Mister lyric is "and learn to fly ''again''" whereas the Beatles song goes straight to the next line after "fly". I'd probably prefer to have both, though. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 15:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Agreed. As that lyric is structured in "Broken Wings", it's very hard to omit the last word from it. What Homestar says is verbatim from "Blackbird" with nothing omitted. But I do see the possibility that it was supposed to be from "Broken Wings"; I also thought of that song first.
:::<small>You know, things might have been different if "Blackbird" had actually been released as a single... Lots of people know "Broken Wings" but, as Anonny said, haven't heard of Mr. Mister. That artist-song divide on the radio never happened with artists as huge as The Beatles.</small> --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 15:20, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
::: If we're going by personal anecdotes now, I do, in fact, literally not know who Mr. Mister is. I am vaguely aware of the group name but I've never heard "Broken Wings" before seeing the name on this wiki, while I am intimately familiar with the White Album and immediately recognized the lyric as a Beatles reference. Luckily we have other resources to fall back on than personal experience of wiki editors, and I can note that "Blackbird" is [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/the-10-most-covered-songs-1052165.html one of the most famous songs of all time], despite having never been released as a single. I'm not averse to keeping a mention of Mr. Mister on the page but an edit war over whether or not this is a Beatles lyric is ludicrous. --[[Special:Contributions/50.175.128.158|50.175.128.158]] 16:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

== Subtitles ==

I'm currently working on the subtitles. I have no idea when I'm going to be finished, but I just got to the point when Dijjery Doo enters. Question: how do I subtitle Dijjery Doo's speech? I'm fairly certain that he doesn't have a prepared "speaker" ID yet. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'll add one then! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
::'''<span style="color:#B17149">Done!</span>''' {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh wow. I didn't know it was that easy. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!

== Slow ==

For some reason, the toon is out of sync with the sound. Is this happening to anyone else, or is it just me? {{User:Mml554/sig}} 21:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:Totally not just you. It starts out fine, but around the "who the crap is Dijjery Doo" bit, you can start noticing the animation being a bit slow. It seems to get progressively more out-of-sync as the toon goes. The Easter egg seems okay, though. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 21:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::And ironically the YouTube version is totally fine. I blame Adobe Animate. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 18:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
:::For the record, this does not happen for me. It might have to do with the version of flash player you're using or something... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

== Speaking of song references ==

Should Strong Bad's comment of "running in the (mid) 90's" be constructed as a reference to that song or do you think it's just co-incidence? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 01:37, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
:I vote coincidence. <small>lol, old meme</small> --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 04:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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 :I'll add one then! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 ::'''<span style="color:#B17149">Done!</span>''' {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
-:::Oh wow. I didn't know it was that easy. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 15:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
+:::Oh wow. I didn't know it was that easy. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!
-::::An update: I've been doing bits of it slowly over time, given the holidays and all that, but I'm up to the beginning of the Flying Event scene. Just to let peoples know. It should be done in not too long. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 05:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 == Slow ==
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 ::And ironically the YouTube version is totally fine. I blame Adobe Animate. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 18:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 :::For the record, this does not happen for me. It might have to do with the version of flash player you're using or something... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
-::::You may be right... That said, I see that you and I are both using Linux, and I had already updated to the most recent version of Flash prior to watching it. So unless an older version works better, that shouldn't make a difference.
-::::What I did notice is that (at least when using the HRWiki Greasemonkey script in Firefox) the toon gradually loses sync when played from the beginning, but is perfectly synced whenever it is unpaused. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 00:34, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
-:::::Seems like the same issue that older toons like [[A Jumping Jack Contest]] and [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]] had.<br />For the record, I experienced desync as well, using Firefox on a Mac. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 19:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 == Speaking of song references ==
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 Should Strong Bad's comment of "running in the (mid) 90's" be constructed as a reference to that song or do you think it's just co-incidence? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 01:37, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 :I vote coincidence. <small>lol, old meme</small> --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 04:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
-::I'll be honest, that was the first place my mind went when Strong Bad said that line. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 19:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
-== 100% Bubsness ==
-I feel like the "Now with 100% more Bubs" joke might be a reference to the Bubs page in [[Where My Hat Is At?]]. Is there anywhere where it's outright said that the Bubs page was added in afterward? {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 19:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
-== Alternate Ending ==
-After I found [[YouTube:O6wfCqAsB3A|a video]] of the live premiere, I tried to add a transcript of Strong Bad's and Homestar's exchange after finishing the book to the Trivia section.  However, I can't tell what Homestar says before, "Lady legs?"  Can anyone else tell? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 04:17, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
-:The original version was {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=763598 transcribed in the Sandbox}} when the video was first found. Probably worth adding to the page, although it might need more proofreading first. Homestar's line in question is "HLLs? Hot Lady Legs? Yeah. I told you it was terrible!". {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 04:44, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
-== Wash vs. Washed ==
-Does Homestar say "I <u>wash</u> my hands" or "I <u>washed</u> my hands" (of this whole affair)? It was originally transcribed in the Sandbox as "washed", but when I was doing the official transcript, I wrote it as "wash" because I simply can't hear a "d" sound. Not being all that familiar with the expression, I'm not sure which one would make more sense. Can someone else shed some light? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 13:45, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
-: I've heard the expression before, and pretty much always in the present tense. Homestar's line is a little ambiguous, but sounds more like "wash" to me. Compare it to his "Washed hands! Hands washed!" later in the toon, which is not ambiguous at all. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 11:41, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
-== Fourth Wall Break? ==
-Facts were just added to this page and the [[Fourth Wall Breaks]] page about Dijjery Doo breaking the fourth wall by speaking directly to the audience. That could belong, but I'm not totally convinced&mdash; it was kind of my impression that Dijjery Doo broke free and was yelling out to whoever happened to be nearby ("you guys" meaning "you characters who are probably around here somewhere"). I don't think he was necessarily talking to the audience, or at least that it's unambiguous enough to merit that fun fact. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 13:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
-:My impression was also that he was speaking to whoever was nearby in-universe, as opposed to the audience. I don't think it's clear enough to be noted as a fourth wall break. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 13:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
-::I never thought of it as a fourth wall break. I just thought he just meant anyone nearby. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:17, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
-== A new design for Strong Bad ==
-I noticed that Strong Bad had gray shading on his pants in this toon. But in the Mario Paint easter egg, his pants go back to their purple shading. Should this be noted, even though it only appears in the beginning?
-[[File:goes4gold sb.PNG|thumb|Strong Bad with gray shading on his pants.]]
-[[File:goes4gold easter egg sb.PNG|thumb|Strong Bad with purple shading on his pants.]]
---{{User:Mml554/sig}} 14:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
-:I think other pages for toons that have an inconsistency in character design note them. I can't remember which those are, though. I'm not sure it should be noted in [[Strong Bad Evolution]] until it appears in other toons, but if it does it could be worth a sentence in the description of the current design. Probably not a full table row, though, assuming the grey shading is the only difference. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
-::The gray shading is not the only difference. If you look closely, Strong Bad's mouth is a slightly different shape; it looks a little more symmetrical than previously. As for the pants shading, I think a minor note in the seventh design might be helpful (much like how it's mentioned that a few toons and emails use the previous design for his mask). {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 23:13, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
-== Explaining the Sadness? ==
-So, I'm wondering, is {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Homestar_Runner_Goes_For_the_Gold&diff=next&oldid=764737 this fun fact}} really explaining the joke? I don't think the phrase "Sad Sack" is popular enough nor the reference itself obvious enough to not be included in the wiki.  I, myself, originally thought that they were calling president Taylor sad (remember that we only hear what's said first, not how it's intended to be spelled).  If there are no objections I'm going to revert and tidy up the fun fact. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:55, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-:Portmanteaux used in toons are usually indicated in some way in the Fun Facts section, I think. Though I'm not sure we need to ''define'' "sad sack". Just indicating that the phrase exists and is part of the portmanteau should be fine. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 14:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-::I agree. HRWiki is not a dictionary. I would also suggest that the facts be broken up, the part about who Pres. Taylor is remaining in real-worls refs, and the part about being a portmanteau being in inside refs. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:53, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-:::Considering that both aspects of the fact are different kinds of references, I'll support splitting the facts as well. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 15:01, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-::::I agree with the above proposal(s), just for the record. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 16:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-:::::I can say it was obvious to me that he was saying Sad Sack -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.90.120|166.137.90.120]] 20:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
-::::::I like the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Homestar_Runner_Goes_For_the_Gold&diff=764771&oldid=764753&rcid=727613 splitting of facts}}.  It makes sense to do so.  Thanks DeFender1031! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:35, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
-:::::::For the record, I had never heard the term "sad sack" prior to this toon. The reference to Zachary Taylor was obvious to me, but the term "sad sack" was completely new to me. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:26, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
-== The Sneak ==
-Is it worth mentioning the possibility that in the original story, "The Sneak" was intended to be the name of the yet-unnamed The Cheat, which the Bros. Chaps repurposed into the name of his old timey counterpart? ----[[User:Minermanb|Minermanb]]