Editing Talk:Bear Holding a Shark

== Page Title ==
Waugh! Why was my screen of the black-and-white hidden camera feed image of the Bear-Shark taken down? I'm putting it back up! --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, it appears to not be here. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

So do we move this to "Bear-holding-a-shark" now? [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 21:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
:I think we should, considering that "Bear-Holding-A-Shark" is his "real" name.  I mean, if the [[Shadowy Figure]] from 20X6 gets a name, shouldn't we make a new page for him? -{{User:Marth 99/sig}} 21:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
::I think it should just be '''Bear Holding a Shark''', without the hyphens. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

==PseudoCharacter==

I added the Bear shark to the cast in the toons it's appeared in. With the [[myths & legends|recent email]] it's really become a character in itself. It was also on the [[Everybody Everybody Poster]], so obviously [[The Brothers Chaps]] consider him a character, even moreso than [[The Paper]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
:In that case, I added it to the list of pseudocharacters. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

==Reference?==

I noticed the admin, ItsDotCom, has put down the entire section on possible "references" for bear-shark.  Can someone explain to me why this is not relevant to the character(s)? [[User:SargeAbernathy|SargeAbernathy]] 23:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
:First of all, it's It's dot com. Second, my being an admin has nothing to do with it. Third, one of those "references" was already mentioned, and the other two were coincidental at best. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
::I apologize for any offense, and I did not mean to suggest that your Admin status had anything to do with it nor did I mean to offend you by mis-spelling your name.  

::I made the section on references because I thought that it was information that was important to the character.  If a character was a reference to something, then I thought it would be important to note that on the character's page itself.  I originally tried putting the section in [[myths & legends]], but I was directed to put such information directly into this article.  I agreed with this.

::I did notice that the third reference was already mentioned in the article [[date]] and it is from that article I brought it from.  I did not mean to double any information on the site. 

::The second reference was unecessary for the site, I realize this now. I apologize for .... being too wordy :)

::However the SpaceGhost reference was something that I had caught way back when [[date]] first appeared.  I didn't know the method of finding out what was a reference or what was coincidence.  However, since I was under the assumption that it was a clear reference, I thought it would be important to write down this info ...  (Where in literature are you going to see sharks and bears put together for a ''documentary'' so humorously save for absurdist humor?)

::I do not mean to argue or insult you at all.  I merely wanted to ask and debate this section.  Again I apologize. [[User:SargeAbernathy|SargeAbernathy]] 23:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
:::I did not mean to seem offended, because I wasn't. I was simply pointing out how my name is spelled and the fact that being an admin doesn't mean that I have final say-so on what goes in the articles. That said, I think a bear holding a shark could be thought of independently by several people, and I don't think that TBC were basing theirs on anything. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh good then ^^ I was afraid you were offended.   You're right that the bear/shark will probably be seen as independent by most people, seeing as SG:C2C hasn't been seen by most people who watch Homestar Runner and it is a show that is no longer aired.  And, being an English Major right now, I know the insane frustrations that comes with trying to figure out if the author intended something or not ... so what TBC mean to say in any of the stuff they make will be mysteries forever .... just like the legendary bear holding a shark!  

:::: I still think the section is needed, but without anything concrete to say, I'm not willing to defend my section just yet.  [[User:SargeAbernathy|SargeAbernathy]] 23:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== Filmography? ==

If bear shark's a character of sorts, does it need a filmography? What's our "cutoff" when deciding wether or not to do filmography categories? Some pseudocharacters only appear once. Others appear a lot (like [[The Geddup Noise]]). I'm starting to really think that  most [[:Category:PseudoCharacters|PseudoCharacters]] like [[The_Stick]], [[The Geddup Noise]], [[Chairscoot]] and [[Bear holding a Shark|this one]] should have their own [[:Category:Filmography|filmography]] category (and for The geddup noise and chairscoot additions to the cast list of the toons/emails they are a part of). What I am proposing is no easy endeavour, and may need to be added to [[HRWiki:Projects]]. What are your opinions on the matter? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

: Seems to me filmographies are only for characters who are "real" or interact or are interacted with as if they were real as a rule. I think a filmography of Geddy would be senseless as it was only trated as a "real" character in one email. The Stick and the Bear-Shark would also not merit a filmography. In fact, [[myths_&_legends]] all but screams "fake myth", so I can't even see an argument for a filmography for the "Homestar-spotted" Bear-Shark. [[User:Qermaq|Qermaq]] 01:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

::The filmography would be nice if someone's like, "I wonder what other toons the bear-shark has been in?" But on second thought, it looks like that information is on the bear shark page, under "appearances". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't think it needs a filmography. When it's appearances hit 15 or 20, then '''maybe'''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Characters with short filmographies: [[:Category:Nebulon Filmography|Nebulon]], [[:Category:1-Up Filmography|1-Up]], [[:Category:Gavin Filmography|Gavin]], [[:Category:Blue Laser minion Filmography|Blue Laser Minion]], [[:Category:Marshie Filmography|Marshie]], [[:Category:Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography|Biscuit Dough Hands Man]], ... And a bunch of others. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::The main reason I thought of the filmography thing is that the purpose of the filmography template is twofold: not only does it list the different toons that character has performed in, but it also informs whoever is reading a given toon that the given character had an appearance in that toon in a uniform manner (if I go to [[date]] I'll know that the Bear-Shark was there).  I think Qermaq made a very important point: are these characters "real" enough that they'd need filmographies, or even if they were real enough once, should we list all their entries in a category.  And then there are other issues i shall not go into at this moment. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::The bear-shark is more real than Biscuit Dough Hands Man, who has his own filmography. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::Where is BDHM's filmography? Not linked from his page. [[User:Qermaq|Qermaq]] 23:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe we should go for it. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

== Radiohead Hommage? ==

just wondering if anyone has noticed the similarities between the bear and the bear images from the artwork of Radiohead's OK Computer and Amnesiac albums... --[[thereddestraddish]]

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that the bear-holding-a-shark is strikingly reminiscent of the Space Ghost Coast to Coast bit about sharks and bears in episode "Kentucky Nightmare"? It featured a documentary called "Nature's Best Friends" where it had the two creatures as friends... and then as enemies. Which came first, the episode or the email?

== Space Ghost Coast to Coast? ==

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that the bear-holding-a-shark is strikingly reminiscent of the Space Ghost Coast to Coast bit about sharks and bears in episode "Kentucky Nightmare"? It featured a documentary called "Nature's Best Friends" where it had the two creatures as friends... and then as enemies. Which came first, the episode or the email?

- Some guy who visits Homestar Wiki occasionally

== Name change ==

When the article was created after [[date]] was released we didn't have a formal name to it. But now that there's [[:Image:Bear holding shark T-shirt close.PNG|a T-shirt for it with the actual name]], the article must be moved. Here some quotes to support my argument:
*"The Cheat totally freaks out whenever he sees a '''bear holding a shark'''." ([[date]])
*"The nottrue-est of which is the mighty '''bear holding a shark'''." ([[myths & legends]])
*"COMING SOON - '''Bear holding a Shark''' T-Shirt!" ([[Store]] front page)
{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:Seems like a good idea to me. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
::Go for it. I made the redirect, and I support it being moved there. ''Bear-Shark'' is its shorthand name now. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:::That makes sense. Good catch. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Moveded. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't this article be titled "Bear Holding a Shark" or "Bear Holding A Shark", as that is what the Store and shirt call it, respectively?--[[User:152.163.100.66|152.163.100.66]] 22:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

==Bersark?==

Could the Bear-Shark be related to Bersark, Vikings who would run into battle naked, from where we get the word Berserk?
:I highly doubt it, Retromaniac. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::Among other things, they weren't naked, they were wearing bearskins as shirts, hence 'Ber-sark' bear-shirt.

==Bear vs. Shark?==

Could the bear-shark be reference to the band, Bear vs. Shark? Maybe the creators were fans of the band, and created the bear-shark in respect to the band.

- Not sure if it's relevant but I clearly remember emailing Strongbad a few weeks before this episode aired and asked the question "who would win in a fight between a bear and a shark" [I was reading the novel Bear v. Shark by Chris Bachelder at the time]
soon after the bear holding the shark made its first apperance.... [[User:Bhell13|Bhell13]] 12:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

==Phobia==

It's mentioned that the Cheat has a phobia for unknown reasons of the BHAS, but he seems to have multiple phobias as a little guy. Bub's carborator pumpkin terrified the Cheat as well.
:Not to mention the gingivitis shockumentary in [[bedtime story]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]