Editing Talk:the paper

== Video Game Endings ==

That video game theme sounds very familiar... Moreso even than the [[Drive-Thru Whale]] theme... Where from? What do the expoits say? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 10:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: I think it's from [[Population: Tire]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::GAH! Yes! That's it. Thanks. Now it's obvious. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Lil Stong Buh Shirt ==

he's wearing a devil duckie t-shirt. We should have a page of all his t-shirts. Also, When the paper burns up, the ash says "bye now".
:[[Character_Variations_Other_Costumes#Youthful_Characters|There is]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Inkjet Printers ==

The printer's new ink cartridge isn't working properly yet.  As evidenced by the discolouration on the @ key and the horizontal lines throughout the printout.  I'm not sure if it should be remarked or not. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 12:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:Looking at the a change to the transcript saying there are white lines on the paper.  They have colour in them as you'd notice by zooming in.  I don't know how to revise to an earlier version of the page and I don't know to word the transcript to reflect the detail.  If anyone would oblige [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 14:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== the paper as a character ==

In this email at the very least the paper should probably be on the cast list. - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 13:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::I agree [[User:Booksworm|Booksworm]] 14:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:Using that logic, then the paper should be considered a character in every single Strong Bad Email, including other things like sick day. {{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
::Sick day perhaps, but I'd only think when the paper is more than just a piece of paper. Like how SB's old computers are characters in retirement. - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 13:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Cheesesteaks and Tastykakes ==

<blockquote class="lappy email" style="background-image: none">
Look, Darius, if you want me to eat a Philly cheesesteak<br />
instead of answering an email this week, you got it. No<br />
skin off my back. I'll eat a couple-a Tastykakes while I'm<br />
at it, too. Now, if you'll excuse me, I gotta skee-dat.
</blockquote>

Could this be TBC's explanation for not updating last week? ;) {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Some parts of that sound like they came from the mouth of Homestar. Could that be the '''''real''''' reason Homestar is tangled up like that (via The Paper)? [[User:Neox|Neox]]
:Looks like 'someone' has been trying to pretend to be Strong Bad. Hmm...maybe Strong Bad found out and was trying to get revenge when he pranked called everyone in SBCG4AP...maybe not...The Paper was trying to make sure Homestar didn't ruin Strong Bad's life...which I would want to happen so badly...Strong Bad's life be ruined...yeah...--[[User:Pretztailfan95|Pretztailfan95]] 02:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Count to G ==
Could the score "G" be a reference to The Ugly One's "I can count to G!" statement in Teeny Tiny Girl Squad? Pretty obscure I admit...--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 15:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[G]] is a running gag of it's own and already in the article's fun facts. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Yup. It's where I got my name. --[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

: It made me think of "Homie G", but I assume it's a stretch.  Since "G" is on top and "Home" is beneath. --[[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 02:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong bad is... old? ==

 '''STRONG BAD:''' Why do all my thirty-year-old electronics keep breaking on me?!
At time of The Paper's birth, SB was like 2-7 years old or something. Well, unless he meant the technology 30 years ago. {{User:Murkrow/sig}} 15:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:Strong Bad's parents might have bought an old or second hand printer rather than a new one.
::Remember, too, that there's other instances where we see Strong Bad represented as someone in his likely 30's. [[secret identity]], for one. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Then again, he could have bought it at a garbage sale for like 15 dollars, along with the Tandy. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the printer may already have been old before the Strongs got ahold of it. {{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 15:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think you can apply the measures of "human age" to any kind of cartoon character. The same way you could wonder about the age of Mickey Mouse or Huey Dewey and Louie...--[[User:80.135.101.16|80.135.101.16]] 15:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't stop us from trying :P {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Go on, didn't want to spoin the fun here :) --[[User:80.135.101.16|80.135.101.16]] 15:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Haven't you people seen [[looking old]]? {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 01:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== Lightness...darkness... whaaa? ==

Did anyone else notice that a few hours ago, the Homestar easter egg was bright (i.e., it looked like a light was on in the room there), but now it's dark? [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: As the one who transcribed the toon shortly after it came out, I can't say I did. That said, the scene WAS bright in the actual scene in the email; just not the Easter egg. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Sonic the Hedgehog 3 reference ==

When the island Strong Bad is standing on is sinking and he says something about killing end bosses, I think it's a reference to STH3 when, after defeating the final boss of the game, Angel Island falls from the sky and lands in the sea. There's also another game, Sonic & Knuckles, where I think the island actually floats into the sky again, again after defeating the final boss. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 15:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:It could just as easily be a reference to the video game "Sinking Island". &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

::I always thought it looked a lot like the ending to Bionic Commando, where the Captain is flyiing away from the exploding base attatched to a helicopter. --{{User:Thatkidsam/sig}} 16:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Reminds me of "The Island of Dr. Destructo" for the C64, where you bomb various things until plumes of water shoot up and they sink. While it starts off with boats and subs, it soon progresses to islands, an inland castle, and space stations. Yep, a big plume of water shooting out of a sinking space station. --[[User:The Archon|The Archon]]


:What is a "load bearing boss?" Wikipedia doesn't explain. [[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 16:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::It appears that the article on load bearing bosses was "merged" into [[Wikipedia:Boss (video games)|Boss (video games)]], although the info cannot be found there either, so I'm guessing it was removed entirely. I removed the Wikipedia link and explained what a load bearing boss is in [[the paper#Explanations|Explanations]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 16:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The wikipedia article on load bearing bosses has been reinstated, so I have put the link back in. There seems to be some debate on Wikipedia at the moment about whether it should have its own article or not, but it has been acknowledged that when the article was removed the information was not properly incorporated into the article on boss characters. I therefore have left the explanation of what a load bearing boss is on the hrwiki article, so that when/if something changes on wikipedia readers will still have an explaination. [[User:Schaedenfreud82|Schaedenfreud82]] 10:43, 12 June 2007

:I thought it was a reference to Street Fighter, where Ryu ends up in the middle of the ocean after beating Akuma (Note Strong Bad's white Bandana). [[User:tehpie|tehpie]] 20:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:It can't be a Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) reference, Angel Island is being held up by the master emerald, Robotnik stole that and the island fell into the ocean.  At the end of the game your chosen character gets the emerald back (Off Robotnik as Sonic/Tails, Off Super Mecha-Sonic as Knuckles) and the island rises back into the sky as the credits are rolling. - [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 00:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:I think it's a reference to the secret best ending of ''Donkey Kong Country 2'' in which the island does sink amid a sunset, and the regular ending in which K. Rool falls into the water which is full of sharks. I added it to the page, but it was almost instantly removed. Although I'm very convinced this is the reference, there so much potential references is seems impossible to make any kind of argument in favor of one game without invoking accusations of TTATOT. [[User:16BitJorge|16BitJorge]] 00:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


:I could be wrong, but I think it's a reference to Contra. The music was deliciously 8-bit. The game ends with you leaving in a helicopter as the island explodes/sinks into the ocean. Of course, I could be wrong.[[User:StrongRad|StrongRad]] 03:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::And of course, the number of possibilities displayed on this talk page makes TTATOT evident. --[[User:24.222.241.186|24.222.241.186]] 11:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, I thought of Contra as well.  The music, no, but the scene, yes. --[[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 02:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


The scene on the island is admittedly ambiguous; there are lots of references made to lots of video games, most likely including Contra, Bionic Commando, Donkey Kong Country 2 and Street Fighter. However, the article doesn't say that the scene is a reference to load-bearing bosses; it says  that Strong Bad's comment ("I didn't even kill any end bosses") is such a reference. I'm pretty certain that, regardless of all those references, the comment itself is a specific reference to Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (and no, not Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which is a separate game with a separate ending). At the end of this game, you kill the final boss, which results in the temporary loss of the Master Emerald, which results in the floating Angel Island falling through the sky and into the ocean. In what other game does killing the end boss result in an island sinking into the ocean?
Further, in the previous email, number 172, More Armies, Homestar has a line about "firing up his old sega tapes," which, if anything, would seem to strengthen my position.
Perhaps the Explanations section should read more like the following:

The island scene in which Strong Bad is rescued by The Paper is an ambiguous reference to load bearing bosses... [etc.]

Followed by a second bullet, or even multiple bullets, which could be about the comment itself (and any other specific references):

For example, Strong Bad's comment about not having killed any end bosses is a reference to Sonic the Hedgehog 3, in which the island on which the game takes place falls into the sea after defeating the final boss. The rescue, which puts The Paper in the role of a rope-ladder attached to an unseen helicopter, is a reference to Bionic Commando. The tattered headband Strong Bad wears is a reference to Street Fighter; and the sunset and 8-bit style music could be references to Contra.

It just doesn't seem fair to say "Strong Bad's comment" is a reference to all of these different games, when 1) there's such a clear correlation between the comment and one game in particular, and 2) there are so many separate references made to all of these games that have absolutely nothing to do with the comment at all.
:In ''[[Wikipedia:Skies of Arcadia|Skies of Arcadia]]'', the continent of Soltis sinks back into the Great Cloud Sea whence it came after beating Ramirez and Zelos. Sky islands count just as much as water islands. So there's another sinking continent game. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::In chrono trigger, the black omen sinks into the sea after it's defeated. The kingdom of zeal also sinks into the sea after that boss is completed. Also, your claim about the "sega tapes" is not enough of a connection, as TBC are video game lovers and thus reference all aspects of all systems a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:Again, though, it seems more like a specific reference in relation to Sonic 3. The Skies of Arcadia example is of a sinking continent, not a sinking island. The Chrono Trigger example sounds like you're defeating an island-boss, which then sinks into the ocean because you just defeated it. Neither of these examples seem as relevant to Strong Bad's quote as the Sonic example, which is literally an island that sinks after killing the end boss. I'd be more tempted to agree that this is a blanket reference if we were debating the relevance of the island sinking with Strong Bad standing on it. However, since we're talking about the very specific reference in the form of the words that come out of Strong Bad's mouth, it seems that we should honor that reference with the very specific piece of gaming to which it seems to directly refer -- or, as I said, remove that specific reference entirely, in favor of one about the more ambiguous set of references made by the scene as a whole.
::The chrono trigger example is you beat an end boss and the island sinks. How is that not the same? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, I misunderstood you; "the black omen sinks into the sea after it's defeated" sounds like the Black Omen sinks when you defeat the Black Omen.
::::And the kingdom of zeal? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I suppose the Kingdom of Zeal is an island? In which case you're right, then that would fit as well.
:::::::The Kingdom of Zeal is a series of islands that float in the sky. After you beat the Ocean Palace, Lavos, the end boss of the game, rains laser beams from the sky, and Zeal crashes into the continent it's floating above. I think it's only floating from Lavos' power anyway. It's not really an example of sinking islands, although most of the continent is destroyed when Zeal crashes into it. The Black Omen also flies, but I can't remember what happens to it in the end. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 05:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Freschka ==

Am I hearing it right? Homestar seems to mispronounce "Fresca" as either "fresha" or "freschka."  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
*Yeah...I think he does. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 00:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Now that you mention it, does anyone hear him pronounce "Sierra Mist" as "Sarah Mist"?--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 20:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::: He pronounces everything else correctly. Is there really a consensus on how to pronounce "Fresca?" ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes, there is, and yes, he mispronounces it. Consider the fun fact added. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::He says Fresh-Up. It's a generic 7-Up clone. In the same vein as Dr. Thunder.
::::::You got your Fanstuff in our knowledge base! Or did we get our knowledge base in your Fanstuff? Anyway, I DO hear Fresha, but it's not notable, as Homestar A) has a speech impediment and 2) will always mispronounce words. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 23:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, no. [[Wikipedia:7-Up|7-Up]] is a popular soft drink. (Not [[1-Up]].) -{{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC) (not logged in)
::::::::But the generic clone, Fresh-Up, apparently is not. {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 01:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia:  first appearance of printer? ==

Should the fact that this is the first time the printer has been shown be added as trivia?
:Ah, but it's not. [[Email Processing Room|Twice]] [[lady fan|over]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== BASEketball ==

Hate to bring up the movie, but Homestar using a football on a basketball court is very reminiscent of BASEketball.{{User:Csours/sig}} 22:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:Footketball? - [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]]

::It's kind of like what's going on in [[The Athletic Field]], but backwards. Instead of having a football field with basketballs, they have a basketball field with a football. And anyways, BASEketball is played on modified baseball field but with basketballs. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Think of it this way. Have any of the HR characters EVER played an actual sport? -[[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]] 02:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Homestart participated in baseball way back in [[Where My Hat Is At?]]... And does [[professional wrestling]] count? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Nightlight ==

Some anonny changed the word "night" in Strong Bad's song to "light". I can't listen to it right now to check, but is there any reason to think it'd be "light"? "Night" [[guitar|has]] a [[dragon|precedence]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:it is night{{User:Csours/sig}} 22:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::Obviously there's some disagreement here. I've seen more than one user use "light". Perhaps we should all re-listen rather than edit the page willy-nilly without consensus. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Like I said, I can't listen right now. I only changed the Fun Fact back to "night" after someone else changed the transcript. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I was merely attempting to prevent future willying and nillying, which often occurs in cases like these. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I definitely hear "night".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I re-listened, and I definitely hear "night" as well, FWIW.  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 07:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Listened to it carefully. Came to the conclusion that he says night. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 16:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::'''Night''' also fits the Trogdor song reference perfectly. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== .4? ==

Is Homsar's number as ".4" a reference to Strong Sad's lament, when he acknowledges that about his hit counter? --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 23:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Numbers like that are a running gag in the tv industry for usless characters.Usually it's 0 or 1/2,though.

Very possible...I can't recall what fraction of a person they said Homsar was, though. If it was .4, then it's definately a reference. Also, person above me, please sign your posts... -[[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]] 02:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:"I bet Homsar is the .2 of a person." in [[Strong Sad's Lament]]... I'd say it's just a repeated joke, not a reference. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Homsar's number should have been 2, after the SB E-Mail he was created in... (i've got to thank Vinnie C for that e-mail)... {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 22:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC) [[homsar|Uhdyeah, what ees it, Strong Baaaaayaad?]]

== As I was reading... ==

I was reading the Fun Facts and I couldn't find anything about the reference to the "One two" toon.  Has anyone put it in there yet? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:Yes. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 16:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::It was me who put it! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::: As it's noted in the Easter Eggs section, it was removed. And re-added. And re-removed. And re-re-added. And so forth. And now [[STUFF]]ed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Anyone else hear "Wu-Tang"? ==

In the impressin' easter egg, it sounded like Coach Z was saying "Wu! Tang!", which would make sense since Z thinks they're the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/The_House_That_Gave_Sucky_Treats#Cherry_Clan BAERMB] and all.  Anyone else hear it, or am I down with [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Pumpkin_Carve-nival#Transcript second to last place]?  {{User:Nebulon/sig}} 01:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:I listened closely, and I can hear a "da" sound, rather then a "ta". --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 11:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Striped Pants/Friend ==
I would like to suggest that SB referring to the paper as his "striped friend" is a reference to Homestar's "striped pants" in the email highschool, especially considering the pronunciation of "striped" (I'm not really sure the best way to indicate such pronunciation textually, however).
:We've already got [[-èd]]. It can't hut to mention it on the page. Italics in the transcript, anyone? {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 02:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Uruk? ==
"The word "garglemesh" is a pun on the name of Gilgamesh, an ancient king of Uruk."
I don't see the relevance of this fact to the email. Can anyone expand on how the ancient king of Uruk is in any way relevant to a word Strong Bad made up? {{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:Yeah, you know, I know all aboot Gilgamesh, and I still really don't think it was meant to be a reference. Just some word Strong Bad made up. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 15:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::It sounds too close to Gilgamesh to be a coincidence. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::I understand if Strong Bad only used "mesh" to describe his objections to the sound. The fact that he added the "gargle-" prefix, which adds nothing to the word, makes me conclude that he intended to include a joke, and not just a random part. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I took it as a corruption of "garbled mess". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I think it's definitely a play on Gilgamesh, but the Uruk part really isn't relevant to the email itself. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:45, 12 June 2007
:::::I agree that it's a corruption of "garbled mess", and even if it ''was'' a reference, it could also be a reference to the Gilgamesh Epic, or even Gilgamesh from the Final Fantasy games. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 21:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::(I believe that Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, is the main character of the Gilgamesh Epic) [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 22:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Gilgamesh/Garglemesh is a bit of stretch, isn't it? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargamel_%28smurfs%29 Gargamel] comes much closer. TBC most likely grew up on The Smurfs, or they were big when they were still kids.
::::::::Actually, i think it might be a [[portmanteau]] or both of them... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Plus, I don't think that 'Gargamel' comes closer. Maybe if he had said 'Gargamesh,' or if 'mesh' meant a mess or a mix-up; I still see Gilgamesh. [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 20:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Giglamesh has nothing to do with this! He's just saying it's a bunch of garbles meshed together. Why the heck would he be referring to a king of Uruk in that statement? I think I might STUFF it. '''EDIT:'''All right, it's been STUFFed. {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 01:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::It's probably a reference to the name alone, as i'm more familiar with him being a Final Fantasy boss [[User:68.147.223.143|68.147.223.143]] 21:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::This theory has been 404'd see the bottom of this [[Talk:the paper#Closed STUFF |discussion page]] .  {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 21:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Dribble, Dribble, Shoot! ==
''The following is reconstructed from a STUFF page. Brackets indicate where intent was inferred rather than stated.''
<div style="text-align:center"><hr width="70%"/></div>
:''The rhythmic Easter Egg is a reference to [[One Two, One Two]], which was released immediately before this email.''
[This is] already noted right above the Easter egg. [[HRWiki:Once and Only Once|Once and Only Once]] applies. [It should therefore not be noted in inside references.] {{User:Jay/sig}} 16:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:[It should be noted in inside references.] {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 16:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::According to Wiki standards, this has to be mentioned in the Inside References section of the article. Perhaps it would be better if the link above the Easter egg was removed and this was added [in inside references] instead. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Once and only once is fine with me. {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::[The Chort]: Could you direct me to where in the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] it says that? Because, as far as I can tell, it doesn't. {{User:Jay/sig}} 16:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What I meant was that it would be better if it was mentioned in the Inside References section because that's where all the inside references are meant to be placed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::[It should be noted in inside references.] {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 16:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[It should be noted in inside references.] &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Once and Only Once is the most misunderstood concept on the wiki. It does ''not'' mean "link once" (a separate idea stated elsewhere), but rather "don't duplicate work unnecessarily". A good example is the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] page, which uses a template for its transcript to avoid duplicating the work done for [[comic]]. The real question is, is having more than one link actually redundant in this case, or does it help the reader? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with The Chort. It's an inside reference, so it should be noted in inside references. {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 17:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Been having trouble defending myself (like anyone ever agrees with me 9_9) thanks to Wiki hiccups (Wikkups?) Anyway, first of all, I'm not sure moving this off STUFF was a good idea. Secondly, we have a longstanding tradition of not putting things in Fun Facts that are already mentioned in some other fashion &mdash; generally through the transcript, such as Strong Sad's face appearing in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]], or the emails in [[do over]]. This isn't LITERALLY in the transcript, but it's pretty close. How is this different? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:First of all, why would STUFF be better? This discussion isn't about ''whether'' to note something, but ''where'' and ''how'' to note it. In addition, there are more than two choices: we could note it in the Easter egg section, the inside references section, or both. Finally, the result of this thread could have implications for other toons, so a talk page would be a better place to hold such a discussion, as it allows for greater nuance.
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was under the impression that we linked in the transcript when we just couldn't find a place to link somewhere else. That is, transcript links are for things that aren't really ''referenced'' so much as they just make an appearance in the toon. Take the [[BMW lighter]], for example. If it shows up in a toon, it should be linked in the transcript so that someone unfamiliar with it can look it up, but its mere presence doesn't constitute a reference per se. On the other hand, the Easter egg in this toon is definitely making reference to [[One Two, One Two]]. It is, by definition, an inside reference, and so it seems logical to me that it should go in the inside references section. If we want to ''also'' hang a link in the Easter eggs section for clarity, then I have no problem with that either. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I suppose some of what you say makes sense, but a significant problem with Talk pages: visibility. Too many topics go unnoticed on Talk pages around here. If this IS an important issue, you're cutting into visibility putting it here. Heck, since it's been moved here, only one person who wasn't already in the discussion has joined in. We've had important issues indirectly on STUFF pages through related Fun Facts before. Now then, as for your points regarding appearances, I see what you're getting at, but this looks to be something of a gray issue to me. Again I bring up [[do over]]. The the emails being referred to, or are they simply appearing? (Of course, this issue is probably less gray than that, but still...) Furthermore, I apologize if I've seemed harsh, but between real-world stress and decisions that appear to be made with no consensus or discussion (sometimes, the decision to which I refer is NOT to let there be a consensus or discussion on something else) and little to no explanation, I'm getting angry over little things, like removal of this discussion from STUFF, pretty easily right now. Perhaps I need a Wikibreak. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Jay, this discussion isn't a half day old, of course more users have not joined in. I just got home an hour ago myself. Anyway, as this is a reference, I agree with those who say to link it from the fun facts. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If it's only going to be in there once, I say it should be in Inside References. It seems a bit out of place to put a reference in the Easter Eggs section, kind of in the same way one wouldn't put "this is a reference to..." in the transcript. {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 01:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny blackness? ==

"And who knows how many times you saved my shiny black keister?"

Is it just me, or does this imply that Strong Bad is not wearing pants, and that his skin color is actually black (at least for his lower body)? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 17:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:It would seem to suggest that. However, he has been seen [[stand-up|without]] [[senior prom|pants]] before. So no, the trousers aren't part of his skin. His boxing gloves and mask, on the other hand... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're just his pants. Do you really think he would ever reveal the true color and level of shine of his actual keister? --[[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]] 02:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:He was also seen without pants in [[senior prom]] -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Out of Nowhere ==
I've been thinking about where the printer is exactly. I mean, when we zoom out and can see the entire Computer Room, there's no printer in sight. Also, relating to this email, it falls out of nowhere. I don't exactly know... {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 19:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't think anyone knows. How does Strong Bad type without boxing gloves? How does Homestar pick stuff up if he doesn't wear any Marzi-pants? How does The Paper appear when no one can see where the printer is - even outside of Strong Bad's computer room? Just one of the many mysteries of <strike>life</strike> Homestarrunner.com. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree - as Homestar mentions in this toon, Papes is able to transcend time and space (along with Homsar), which might explain a few things about other aspects of the H*R universe.--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 19:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::: On that matter, can I buy some of the screws Bubs fixed the inkjet printer with? :) --[[User:80.135.101.16|80.135.101.16]] 15:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Didn't the printer fall out of [[Hammerspace]]? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, just came out of nowhere. {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 20:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::The eighth wonder of homestarrunner.com...wait, has there ever been seven wonders of this site? --[[User:Pretztailfan95|Pretztailfan95]] 02:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Too Many Links ==
There are a bit too many links in the transcript, don't you think? I understand ones like the Compy 386, as that really has no where else to go, but BMW Lighter? ASCII art? These could go in remarks and inside references with the rest of the notes. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, but the links in the transcript are noted below too. But stuff like [[Compy]] are linked from the transcript, which are kinda obvious. {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::I agreed and I removed them.yEGHuk
:::These links are important, so I reverted the change. Not everyone knows what the BMW lighter is, or even what the Compy is, so they need to be linked to aid readers as they follow the transcript. And they're not really references, just appearances, so there's no real reason to link them from the fun facts. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Dribbling a football ==

This is kind of a minor thing, but I wanted to suggest it here instead of just adding it, because every time I add something to a page on this site it gets deleted immediately as if to spite me. I want to add to the Remarks section the observation 
:"Homestar is able to dribble a football as though it is a basketball, which is nearly impossible in reality due to its irregular shape and the comparatively lower pressure to which it is inflated." 
It appears that the kinds of things that go in Remarks section are generally observations about continuity flaws and slight breaks from the way things work in reality, so I would say that this fits. Would anyone support my adding of this point? I contend that it's true; I've actually tried to dribble a football before and it usually just bounces off in some other direction, and not very far. [[User:74.136.199.185|74.136.199.185]] 03:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Chris
:Well, we've denied most physical impossibles of fun facts, simply because of the fact that this is a cartoon full of dumb animal characters. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 11:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Ogdenite ==

I think that "ogdenite" sounds a whole lot like "troglodyte", and is used in exactly the same tone. Or is that a stretch?

-willoughby
: That did occur to me, but unless we see a Jhonka/Kerrek-esque Ogdenite, I don't think we should mention it in the article. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::I'm fairly sure that it was a refeance to Troglodyte, but I'm not sure if it should be added to fun facts or not. SELF-EDIT! Whoops. Forgot my signature. So the time'll be wrong. But anyway--[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 17:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's just referring to how people (mostly in the Bible) are referred to as [nationality]ites. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Umm, what? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::You know, like Canaanites (people from Canaan), Sodomites (people from Sodom), etc. And the sender of the email is from Ogden, so Strong Bad calls him an Ogdenite. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 17:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::Oh, yes. I agree with you. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::I'm not disagreeing (although it is by no means strictly biblical), but SB makes it sound like an insult; just saying he's from Ogden doesn't strike me as much of an insult. I did make the "troglodyte" connection. However, as I said before, it's speculation and doesn't belong in the article. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I don't consider "Ogdenite" an insult. I found it quite funny... BTW. im Kyle Williams... the guy who wrote '''the paper'''  (want proof, see the fourms) {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 22:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: I didn't say it was a very ''good'' insult. It's Strong Bad. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Malfunction? ==

*Strong Bad's rhetorical question, "Why do all my thirty-year-old electronics keep breaking on me?!" is a reference to the [[Tandy 400]]'s sponteaneous explosion in [[gimmicks]], its malfunction in [[sisters]], and the [[Compy 386]] succombing to [[The Virus]] in [[virus]]

I removed this fun fact twice. While it's true, it's long-winded, obvious, and seems to explain the joke. Yet this *is* *kind of* another instance of his [[Strong Bad's Computer Malfunctioning|computer malfunctioning]], although that page only seems to cover direct *computer* malfunctions, not computer-*related* things, like the printer. Where, exactly does this info belong? -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Maybe a page for the deaths of the many old electronics of Strong Bad?--[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 15:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, we don't need another page. A printer is part of a computer (sort of). Just add it as another section of the malfunctioning computers page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not obvious really, to the casual viewer.  Maybe a better wording would be:
*Strong Bad's rhetorical question, "Why do all my thirty-year-old electronics keep breaking on me?!" is a reference to many instances of his electronics [[Strong Bad's Computer Malfunctioning|malfunctioning]].
[[User:74.136.195.200|74.136.195.200]] 14:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

::I agree with the improved wording (that's what's there now, actually), but his "thirty-year-old electronics breaking on him" isn't limited exclusively to his computers dying. Therefore, it's not a "reference" to them. Moot, as this issue was resolved, but hey. -{{User:YK/sig}} 04:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Never ending Inside references ==

Should it be mentioned that Homestar sung another song to the tune of Never ending story previously? In anything he sung "Never ending soooooda...aaaAA, aaaAA, aaaAA"
:It is mentioned. See inside references. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::Mountain Dew is mentioned, but I meant that Homestar was signing another unorthodox song to the same tune, which I don't see mentioned here
:::[[the paper#Real-World References]] second fact. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I moved it to inside references, as they're making a callback to the email [[anything]], not directly referencing ''The NeverEnding Story''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Homestar's Blackout ==

In the easter egg that Homestar talks about getting a blackout, wouldn't he actually experiance a red out from being upside down?

::Laugh Out Loud, granted i've never heared of a red out, but either a "black out" or a "white out" definately applies here. {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 01:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

:::I've heard of experiencing a "red out" in connection to flight.  Uh.. I don't know if it would apply to hanging upside-down, though.  I don't know if it would require strong negative g-forces to be applied or just plain gravity.. --[[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 02:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::While it is possible to (in the simplest terms) "blush" yourself out cold while upside down, it is still called a blackout. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 10:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Continuity reference ==

I was thinking it might be worth noting that this is the first e-mail to ever specifically address (in the e-mail itself) something in the continuity of the Homestar Runner universe. In every other e-mail, the e-mail itself is generally something innocuous, such as a question about Strong Bad. This time, however, the person writing was actually asking something about the storyline. What do you guys think? [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:What about [[dangeresque 3]], which asked about the release of ''Dangeresque 3'', which was mentioned in [[stunt double]] as comeing<!--sic--> out in June 2004 (which is when the dangeresque 3 email was released). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::I stand corrected. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, that could be explained as the writer asking about a project Strong Bad was working on, just as others have asked about rampages and capers he goes on. In this email, it could almost be said that the writer is breaking the fourth wall, by admitting we know more than Strong Bad shows us. Logically, back in montage Strong Bad could have had no idea that the Paper was going to retire and/or quit so far in the future, and there was no way we could have figured that out. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 06:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes sense. So, should we add a mention of this fourth wall break by a fan? [[User:0rion|0rion]] 18:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yea!!! I broke the "Fourth Wall" {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 20:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== I wish I had a --- on MY team... ==

The way Homestar delivers his line of "Aw, man! Wish I had a time-and-space-transcending piece of paper on my team" reminds me a lot of Rabble Red's lines of "we don't have such-and-such on MY planet" for some reason.
*Yes, the word "on" is clearly used in each line.  Must be a reference! ;-)  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 22:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Lil' Strong Bad's line==

I heard "Did you see that? It says preeeow." [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 17:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, that makes one of us. That just wouldn't make sense. {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 02:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== Compy contrast all over again ==

I set the contrast on the Compy in the shot where the two-shades-of-black-The-Paper comes down, and it  stays for the next shot with The-Preppy-Paper. That notable enough however? --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think the fact that you can adjust the contrast at all in the goth phase scene is noteworthy. Usually, it's completely unclickable when zoomed out like that. (By the way, if you view the Flash file, pause it, adjust preppy-Papes' contrast, and then back it up several frames, it'll still be adjusted in the goth scene, too. It works in reverse!) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Second question ==

Now can anyone tell me what "Manute Bol" supposedly means or something like that? --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:According to the Real World References, he's a basketball player. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Sinking Island ==
A thought: Maybe the island is actually a whale? 18:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

:Speculation. And we've seen that island before, anyhow. -{{User:YK/sig}} 19:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

::Maybe it's not! {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 04:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== at the top of the key ==

Is "X has the ball at the top of the key" a running gag or inside joke? I think this is the fourth time it's appeared. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ha, I was just wondering about making a [[Top of the Key]] article myself, but didn't quite know what to call it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::How about [[Top of the Key]]? =P  -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, all appearances refer to [[autobiography]]. You could make an article, though. {{User:Neox/sig}}

== U Rappin Cool? ==

Okay, this is sort of a shot in the dark, but I wanted to get some thoughts on it. Did Strong Bad's e-mail song sound to anyone else like a reference to PaRappa the Rapper? Or maybe I'm just TTATOTing this bad boy. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

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=== GIGGLY GIGGLY GIGGLY GIGGLY MESH-ED!!!!!! ===
{{stufffact|The word "garglemesh" is a portmanteau of the word "gargle" and the name of Gilgamesh, an ancient king of Uruk.}}
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== Utah as Ewwwtah ==
Just curious, as much as I got used to Strong Bad saying Utah as Ewwwtah, it got changed to Ooh-tah, I personally liked Ewwwtah better, but im not the one who edits this content in full. {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 01:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

== Goof? Blacking out... ==

When Homestar is hanging upside-down, he says the blood is rushing to his head, and that he is blacking out. When the blood rushes to your head, you red out - not black out. Blacking out comes from the blood not reaching your head. (Lack of O2)
:Either way, I wouldn't so much call it a goof. More of a remark. Maybe they don't know about "red out". I myself have never heard it before people started making comments on it about this toon. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think it more belongs under Remarks, as it isn't really a Goof. But, it was swiftly reverted out of there too. Oh well, I suppose. [[User:OOZ662|OOZ662]] 05:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Filmography ==
Can somebody help me out here?  I noticed that we;ve deleted The New Paper's filmography, yet a link to it remains on this page.  I don't know what to do, help? [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 03:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Screen Saver? ==

Is it weird to anyone else that Homestar is left hanging till late hours of the night, and the screen saver on the Lappy never turns on? Maybe Strong Bad came and typed and just ignored him. I dunno. Still kinda weird. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 03:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:You can disable screensavers, you know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Porple montage ==

should we mention its porplemontage's fault cause he sent in the montage email [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 18:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:No. -[[User:134.174.6.46|134.174.6.46]] 21:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::What is porplemontage's fault? You need to be more specific >_> --[[User:Pretztailfan95|Pretztailfan95]] 02:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The paper dying and also no. We don't put jokes on the pages (unless they're like, said). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Ogdenites ==
I found an article in my [[wikipedia:Ogden Standard-Examiner|Local Newspaper]], that uses "Ogdenite" to describe a person who lives in [[wikipedia:Ogden, UT|Ogden, UT]] (which is south.. but not too far south of North Ogden, UT) {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 13:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)