Editing Talk:Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship

==Keep==
Strong Bad hurting or insulting Strong Sad seems like such a generic and common thing that I really don't find worthy of a page. Two cents? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 02:22, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I agree. Hurting Strong Sad is Strong Bad's bread and butter. Or at least his crackers and mustard. With a page like this, we might as well make one about Coach Z's accent or something. I say delete it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:You know why I made this page? Because when the wiki was down I tried to think of all the times something in particular has happaned. Maybe something slipped my eye, like [[G]]. Then I thought to myself "Strong Bad hurts Strong Sad almost every other toon! How about I make a page about it!" I know that Strong Bad hurts other characters too, but he likes to annoy Strong Sad in particular, so it is special. And those were my two cents. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 02:45, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Maybe it should be treated more like a list or a log instead of an explanation and exemplification of a running gag. Would that soften anybody's hearts? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:51, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I kind of like this page. We have other lists of things that happen a lot (in running gags). Why not this? I think it's kind of funny. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 02:24, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I like it too. Besides, unlimited space can fit on the wiki, almost, so why delete it? {{User:Bubsty/sig}}

::::I don't know if this should be a running gag, but it should be something.  Maybe it should me mereged with strong sad or strong bad.  Maybe with both! I don't know, but I think we should keep the content--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]] 03:43, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::This is isn't an inside joke. Lots of people are mean to their younger siblings, and Strong Bad is an overall mean person. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 13:08, 12 Aug 2005 (EST)

::::::[[Strong Bad]] husting [[Strong Sad]] is a major aspect of H*R, particularly the [[Strong Bad Email|sbemails]]. It is the foundation of their relationship. Many-a-time [[The Brothers Chaps]] have used this as a joke. It also leads to explain Strong Sad's very deteriorated ego. In turn, it explains Strong Sad's actions, style of speech, charactar, etc. Finally, Strong Bad has hurt Strong Sad so many times that it's hard to keep track of all of them. I think it's very thoughtful of the person who took time out of their day to organize this myriad of precious moments (if I may so call them). In closing: I beg of you, do not let this page be deleted. Whether it is merged with another pae, or preserved to shine in it's own glory, it does not matter; what does matter is that it be saved from such a terrible fate.

:::::::We've listed all the ways the TGS girls have met their demise. Why not do something similar with Strong Sad? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:25, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Because Strong Sad's injuries are so commonplace and ordinary, really. He's never been Twelve-Sided Die'd, for example. In my opinion, the TGS deaths are much more interesting. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::::::I wouldn't mind keeping this page.  I do however think it may be helpful for those against it if the page was completed to include the toons and shorts etc. to give more of a feel to what the page will be like. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:40, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::I will complete the page when I'll have to time for it. And thanks to the guy who wrote that long repley up there. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:49, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Added the toons. If you find more, please add. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:32, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Images ==

Try not to have too many images on this page. It's not friendly for people with dail-up connections. I'm thinking we delete some of these. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:51, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I agree, but for a different reason. Some of these are just Strong Sad being hurt, but they don't really fit the theme of the page. I'm gonna remove a couple. See what you think and put back or take away more as you see fit. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:55, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I was putting up images of the things that weren't just references. This is ''Strong Bad'' Hurting Strong Sad, not the Cheat or Strong Mad.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:03, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Nearly all of these images need to be redone to comply with [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] (size of image should not exceed 100 kilobytes). I can upload optimized versions for most of the images on this page, but that does take quite a bit of time and I'm rather short of it at the moment. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 21:35, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::'''UPDATE:''' Images [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_drawn_on.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_getting_hopped_on.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_camera_punch.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_keyboard_hit.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_whiffle_bat.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:imagend_dead_ss.png], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:ss_burned_drawing.png] have all been refactored. Every image except #3 is now under 100KB of file size. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 17:35, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Running Gag? ==

I think that this is also concidered a running gag. It has to be! Anyone agree? If anyone is not going to disagree, I will add it into the catagory.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 00:38, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:[[Kicking The Cheat]] is a running gag, why not this? Go for it... {{User:Camalex/sig}} 04:35, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Hang on, now. Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but in the first thread on this page, it seems like the consensus is that this is an interesting list, but the content of the page is too common and the instances are too diverse to really qualify as a running gag. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:03, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::I see what you mean, but the definition of a running gag states that it is a repitition, making it halrious to repeat over and over again. But it's something that can be decided over time. Not a big deal.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 05:09, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, I have three younger brothers myself, so I know it's just a given that older siblings torment their younger siblings. I don't see it as a running gag, I see it as just being the way it is. It's universal. It's part of their characters. It would be like pointing out every time Homestar is a little dim or Marzipan acts like a hippie. (By the way, my brothers and I are friends now that we're grown, in case anyone wondered.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:20, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, I'm gonna say it's not a running gag so much as part of having a younger brother. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 05:27, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::I say running gag. My sister never hurts me, and I never hurt my sister. And my friends brother never hurts him either. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::It's a personality trait, not a running gag. You know, like Strong Sad being depressing, Bubs being a scammer, and Homestar having a loose grip on reality. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

==Order in the court==
These are in neither chronological nor alphabetical order. Which should it be? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:35, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:Oh, I can alphabetise 'em real quick, if you like. Just so you can see how it'd look. I'm real good at that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's an improvement, but actually I thin it ought to be chronological. That would entail considerably more work and I'm going to bed in the morning, but if nobody else does it I'll leave myself a note to. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:02, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I agree. Chronological would fit better. I'm much slower at that, so I'll leave it for someone else, be it you or another user. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::I am this other user. It was in semi-chronological to begin with when I made this page. I'll revert and complete the order correctly. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::{{done}} Done. But I don't know what to do with [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] & [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. Where to put them? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Maybe put them together, but chronologically from the first occurance? Another words, put them both where you'd put Best Decemberween Ever if it was alone. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::Ok. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Ok, I [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Strong_Bad_Hurting_Strong_Sad&diff=prev&oldid=205725 "thin"] we're done. Yay. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== E-Mail ==

*What would happen if someone sent an email to Strong Bad about this?? [[User:67.41.213.180|67.41.213.180]] 03:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:About what? Why he's so cruel to Strong Sad? [[big white face|Someone already has]]. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== New name ==

I've always hated the name "Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad". It seems too clunky and long. How 'bout '''Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship'''? It matchs the names of the similar articles [[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship]] and [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
:I could live with that new name. It does seem to fit better with the "H*R and Marzipan"'s and "H*R and Strong Bad"'s relationship pages. If this page does get a new name, maybe someone could add in a (rather small) section where the two are seen getting along. [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 00:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, me too. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 01:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I never thought of that when I made the page. Good call. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Inconsistent Use of Sentences and Phrases ==

I've noticed that in some sections of this page, phrases are used to describe the situation, whereas in other sections, sentences are used.  I propose that we use complete sentences for all of the sections, considering that other pages generally do the same.  Yet the only problem I see with using complete sentences is that there would be the problem of starting too many of the statements with "Strong Bad/Sad", so we would have to be mindful of that.  What do the rest of you think? {{User:Garnet Jell-o/sig}} 18:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:I think if any change is made, it would need to be toward full sentences. But for me, I wonder if it's necessary to make all complete sentences. Some are quite unambiguous as is, I'd advocate clarifying any that aren't through complete sentences. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Great-Grandma ==

I just thought of something... If Strong Sad REALLY THINKS Strong Bad is his Great-Grandmother, then it wouldn't be revenge, would it? --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 20:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
: It'd be karmic revenge. That said, I wouldn't be terribly upset if it was removed from the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::I think the smile implies that he's just messing SB. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I seriously doubt it. It never occured to me that he's faking.-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 20:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::::In any event, the truth was not revealed, so the simplest explanation should be the one we use. And Jay's right that SS not being aware of the dis he's putting on SB is no reason not to call it "revenge". It's unwitting revenge. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::But isn't Strong Sad the smart one? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::Being smart doesn't mean you can't be fooled or mistaken. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Keep==
 Strong Bad hurting or insulting Strong Sad seems like such a generic and common thing that I really don't find worthy of a page. Two cents? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 02:22, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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 :::::But isn't Strong Sad the smart one? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 ::::::Being smart doesn't mean you can't be fooled or mistaken. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::Sometimes, though I don't see how that affects this issue. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-::::::::Wikitionary defines revenging as resorting to self help to get even with someone. This would imply one has to be aware.-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 20:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-Then perhaps the problem is with the title of the section. This clearly is a moment where SS gets some of his own back, even if it cannot be called revenge. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::::Yeah, I was the one who had originally added this fact to the list.  I'll admit that I first saw this as Strong Sad messing with Strong Bad, but after watching the e-mail again, I definitely see why others wouldn't see that.  I won't be upset if this is removed from the list, but maybe the problem ''is'' the title of this section. {{User:Garnet Jell-o/sig}} 22:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
-==Class ring==
-Are we sure he says class ring? When I first heard it, it sounded like brass ring, though last time I looked it sounded like glass. But it seems to me that either one would make more sense than class. --[[User:24.255.195.166|24.255.195.166]] 17:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
-:How is Strong Mad's class ring even relevant, anyway?  Strong Mad still would have punched Strong Sad without it. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
-::Should I pull my usual, "you have 3 days to object" routine? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::You ever played Phoenix Wright? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 00:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-::::What does that have to do with anything? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::::It's a game about lawyers where they say "Objection!" a lot. Or so I believe, I haven't actually played it. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-::::::And that is relevant to class rings vs. glass rings how? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::I don't think it is. I think they were just referring the Bad Bad Guy using the word object. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::Sigh, fine, I'll be boring and explicit, since some people clearly can't think outside the box.  It's relevant, it just needs to be reworded.
-::::"How is Strong Mad's class ring even relevant, anyway?" "It's relevant, it just needs to be reworded."  How is that NOT about the class ring?  [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 01:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::::Oh, i apologize, i thought that was referring to what you had said in the removed posts. please forgive me. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-::::::Yeah, okay.  Apology accepted.  I was bein' kinda ambiguous there myself, so no hard feelings.  Anyway, I'm gonna try rewording that entry now, like I mentioned.
-::::::And for the OP, I think it's pretty unambiguous that it's class ring.  In addition to the dialog, it seems like the idea is that there's a hidden camera in the gem of the class ring.  A glass ring would be see-through so the camera would show, yeah?  Also I think it's more common to wear a class ring than a glass one, in general... anyway, yeah, rewording now.  [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 05:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-But Strong Sad said he can see the camera, so it's possible that it is see through. There's no indication that it's in the gem of the ring.--[[Special:Contributions/24.255.171.220|24.255.171.220]] 21:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-== To-Do Cleanup List ==
-Since I was the person who added this thing to [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup]], I thought I should explain what things need cleanup:
-*Practically every sentence is actually a sentence fragment, and no other Relationship articles have any fragments.
-*The gallery of Strong Bad hurting Strong Sad might need updating.
-*Trivia sections are discouraged under Wikipedia guidelines, so that fact might have to be merged with the intro or something like that.  The section isn't long enough to be simply renamed "Fun Facts".
-*<s>This article uses colons instead of <nowiki>&mdash;</nowiki></s> I already fixed that one. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
-== slumber party ==
-The page reads that Strong Sad mocks Strong Bad's choice of sleepware at a slumber party, but are we sure it was SB's?  I always thought it was kinda ambiguous, since, it's possible that SB went to a party were someone '''else''' was wearing questionable tighty whiteys, and it gave 'im the [[jibblies]], so when he says "Don't ask me" he doesn't wanna be reminded.  Does that make sense, and if so, is it feasible? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 05:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-:Strong Bad's not the type of guy who'd beat up Strong Sad because Strong Sad insulted one of their guests (Strong Sad insulting people is already rare enough by itself). [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
-::If the guest was someone Strong Bad admired, like Senor Cardgage, Strong Sad probably would have sounded more creeped out in his reply.  If it was some Limozeen guy, Strong Sad probably wouldn't have said anything since he doesn't seem to care for that band. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::Strong Sad wouldn't find any humor in the jibblies either. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
-::::I don't think you quite understood what I meant, but its okay.  If no one else responds, I won't press the issue.[[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 06:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
-== Unneeded references ==
-OK, I think there are some things in here that aren't needed. Strong Bad gave almost everyone last place or a form of it in Pumpkin Carve-nival, and Strong Bad was only imagining Strong Sad dead in fingers and there was no proof he did anything to him. And in Strong Sad's character video, he only stated that Strong Bad bullied him but Strong Bad didn't actually bully him there. And in H*R PP, there is no proof Strong Bad did anything to Strong Sad and that The Cheat did, instead. And in Sbemail 150?!?, Strong Bad fell asleep during Strong Sad's thoughts because, admit it, they were pretty boring. No bullying there. In morning routine, Strong Sad had good(or so) reasons to interrupt Strong Bad, so it wasn't really revenge. And how is shushing in extra plug anything close to revenge?<br /> So, anyone that bothered to read this long speech of examples, I think we should have a cleanup on this page so everything can be at least 99% accurate. {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 00:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
-:Pumpkin Carve-nival counts because Strong Sad put more effort into his pumpkin than most of the others did.  Fingers counts because Strong Bad is basically wishing Strong Sad was dead.  I see no reason to remove the character video.  Your reason for deleting Sbemail 150 is purely opinion.  I think only Pay Plus, morning routine, and extra plug should go. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Ummm...what? ==
-"Main Page 24 — '''Strong Sad takes Strong Bad's pants''', leaving him to search for them in his underwear."
-The one thing I dislike about this statement? The bolded part. Why? How exactly do it shown that Strong Sad actually did that, and Strong Bad didn't just lose them by [INSERT RANDOM REASON HERE] and Strong Sad just finding them? Please explain. {{User:BlkTwilight/sig}} 13:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
-:While this cannot be proven with hard evidence, the page implies that it is Strong Sad's revenge the way he emphasizes 'found', as well as a semi-evil smile. Supposing that he did just find them somewhere, it could still be revenge because he's keeping them away from Strong Bad.
-== Stockholm's Syndrome ==
-In at least three instances, Strong Sad is shown idolizing or at least wanting to please Strong Bad to the point of exaggeration. This is evident in the sbemails fan club, rated, and love poem. Fan club shows Strong Sad forming the Deleteheads, rated shows him in a tent waiting for Strong Bad to say "A-restricted!", and love poem shows Strong Sad (albeit in an easter egg) standing by a phone made to look like Strong Bad because he thinks the email totally describes him. Should this be added or made a new article entirely?
-== Jibblies 2 ==
-Anybody think strong bad diden't know strong sad was with pom pom? [[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 00:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
-:This is pure speculation, as nothing is indicated one way or the other, nor does it matter in the slightest. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
-::But regarding Jibblies 2, I agree with Jay's recent deletion.  Strong Bad didn't say that ''only'' the good characters had been jibblied. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.81|132.183.151.81]] 18:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
-== I Wonder ==
-Did Mike really treat Matt as bad as Strong Bad treated Strong Sad? Or was he just exaggerating?