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{{talkchecklist|Checklist for new Strong Bad Email:}}
{{talkchecklist|Checklist for new Strong Bad Email:}}
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*Create an article with the title of the new email (as listed on the [[HR:sbemails|Strong Bad Email menu]]) with the content <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###}}</nowiki></tt> (substitute the new email number for <tt>###</tt>). If you already know the forum thread number, use <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###|#####}}</nowiki></tt>.
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*Create an article with the title of the new email (as listed on the [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Email menu]]) with the content <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###}}</nowiki></tt> (substitute the new email number for <tt>###</tt>). If you already know the forum thread number, use <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###|#####}}</nowiki></tt>.
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*Update [[Template:sbenav-lookup]].
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*Update [[Template:sbemail]]. Be sure to set the value of "last" to the new email.
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*Update main [[Strong Bad Email]] list, the [[Template:Strong Bad Email|template list]], and the [[Strong Bad Email Menu|menu list]].
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*Update main [[Strong Bad Email]] list, and the [[Template:Strong Bad Email|template list]].
*On the main [[Strong Bad Email]] page, update the total emails and various fun facts.
*On the main [[Strong Bad Email]] page, update the total emails and various fun facts.
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*Update each list in the Strong Bad Email [[Template:StrongBadEmailInfo|navigation template]] (and verify in each page's history that the previous email's entries were updated as well).
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**On the [[Compé]] page,  update the total count of emails checked.
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*Update each list in the Strong Bad Email [[Template:StrongBadEmailInfo|navigation template]] (and verify in each page's history that the previous week's entries were updated as well).
*Update [[Template:recenttoons]].
*Update [[Template:recenttoons]].
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*Update [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data#Strong Bad Emails]].
*Link the email page to the forum and vice versa, if necessary.
*Link the email page to the forum and vice versa, if necessary.
*Redirect <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail###]]</tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail ###]]</tt>, and <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>Strong Bad Email ###]]</tt> to the current email.
*Redirect <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail###]]</tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail ###]]</tt>, and <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>Strong Bad Email ###]]</tt> to the current email.
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*Update [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data#Strong Bad Emails]], [[Template:whatsnew]], [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]], [[Index Page Messages]], [[Main Page Messages]], [[Strong Bad Emails By Length]], [[All Toons]], and [[YouTube]] (if applicable) with an entry to the new toon.
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*Update [[Template:whatsnew]], [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]], [[New Stuff]], and [[All Toons]] with an entry to the new toon.
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*Update [[Secret Pages XML Source#Random Toon XML File]] with [[HR:rando.xml|rando.xml]] (click View->Page Source and copy/paste).
*Check your work using [[Special:Sbemailcheck]].
*Check your work using [[Special:Sbemailcheck]].
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What is the most overlooked Sbemail? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 06:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
What is the most overlooked Sbemail? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 06:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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:RickTommy - What do you mean? African or [[other days|European Sbemail]]? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 19:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 
== Era=mrehh. Emails=mr<big>EEEEEEEh!</big> ==
== Era=mrehh. Emails=mr<big>EEEEEEEh!</big> ==
We should just change the Era to Emails! It's a more slicker, catchier name for the email menus. [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 15:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
We should just change the Era to Emails! It's a more slicker, catchier name for the email menus. [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 15:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think that would be a good name. just think of it... Emails: Mreh. SBemails, mrEEEEEEh! besides, what kind of emails? SBEMAILS!! don't you see? [[User:Jibblejibblejibble|Jibblejibblejibble]] 23:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think that would be a good name. just think of it... Emails: Mreh. SBemails, mrEEEEEEh! besides, what kind of emails? SBEMAILS!! don't you see? [[User:Jibblejibblejibble|Jibblejibblejibble]] 23:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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::This is a good idea. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 03:52, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 
== Sbemail shortage ==
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I think the sbemail imagination counts as a Lappy email, and therefore, we should remove the Corpy NT6 section and put imagination on the Lappy section! Who's with me? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
I think the sbemail imagination counts as a Lappy email, and therefore, we should remove the Corpy NT6 section and put imagination on the Lappy section! Who's with me? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
:Not me. The Lappy's destroyed, so it's not a Lappy email. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:Not me. The Lappy's destroyed, so it's not a Lappy email. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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::First of all, the email is called "imaginary", not "imagination". Secondly, there was [[Talk:Strong Bad Email/Archive 6#Premature Era?|already a discussion on this]] and we decided what we decided. Thirdly, if it DOES have to be said again, then the lappy's been destroyed and the Compé wasn't purchased yet, so the way we have it now is good and smart. That's all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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::First of all, the email is called "imaginary", not "imagination". Secondly, there was [[#Premature Era?|already a discussion on this]] and we decided what we decided. Thirdly, if it DOES have to be said again, then the lappy's been destroyed and the Compé wasn't purchased yet, so the way we have it now is good and smart. That's all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::To be fair, the previous discussion doesn't have a clear consensus. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 18:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::To be fair, the previous discussion doesn't have a clear consensus. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 18:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::And to clarify... there's no Lappy and Compé is not around yet.  To my mind, [[imaginary]] should remain exactly where it is. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::And to clarify... there's no Lappy and Compé is not around yet.  To my mind, [[imaginary]] should remain exactly where it is. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
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:released in 2009.  --[[Special:Contributions/206.116.143.157|206.116.143.157]] 01:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
:released in 2009.  --[[Special:Contributions/206.116.143.157|206.116.143.157]] 01:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Happy Easter? ==
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== Strong Bad (Bad to the Bone version) ==
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Which Sbemail was the first one to have an easter egg? --{{User:ToaJuaraevo01/sig1}} 14:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
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I know this guy named Strong Bad<br>
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He has no life<br>
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duck pond. --[[User:JohnnyLurg|JohnnyLurg]] 15:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
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He always checks his emails<br>
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:Technically, the link to email Strong Sad in [[depressio]] counts as an Easter egg. It says on that email's page that it is the first email to have an Easter egg. But [[duck pond]] is the first one where the content is contained in the same window as the rest of the email. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 16:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
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On a lame computer<br>
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He's not Mexican<br>
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== Unexplained Strong Bad Emails? ==
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He's really white<br>
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He don't go to Home Depot<br>
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Hey guys, I was just thinking about a page that we might want to create. I've never created a page before, though, so I kinda want to get approval from some other peoples before I make it.
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And not make a run for the border<br>
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Buh-buh-buh-buh Bad<br>
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So in some toons/sbemails, there are times when you see one of Strong Bad's computers in the background with random text on it, seemingly Strong Bad checking another email, and it's never explained. This has happened in [[the paper]] three times, a few times in [[personal favorites]], once in [[no loafing]], once in [[The Homestar Runner Gets Something Stuck In His Craw]], and, if this counts, in [[2 emails]]. Anybody know what I'm talking about?
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Buh-buh-buh-buh Bad<br>
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Buh-buh-buh-buh Bad<br>
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I could be wrong, but I feel like it's happened more times than this as well, and it merits a wiki page. Can anybody think of any other times this has happened, and/or what the page should be called? If people agree that this page should exist, I'd be more than happy to write it. Thanks! {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 19:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I think that would be a good page. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 03:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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::Perhaps this would be better with a larger scope? There are other times that unexplained stuff goes on in the background, like, i forget exactly when, but a few times the cheat will go by wearing a costume or carrying something completely unrelated to the email with no explanation. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:33, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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:::Thanks, guys, I'm glad I'm getting positive feedback. DeFender1031, might you be referring to that one time in [[diorama]] when The Cheat walks by carrying the [[Lappy 486|Lappy]]? If so, that was in reference to Strong Bad commenting on how hard it was to cheat nowadays. If that's not what you're talking about, I'll gladly consider your idea if you can give specific examples.
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:::So, if we make this page, what about the name? Unexplained Strong Bad Emails? Background Strong Bad Emails? Other Strong Bad Emails? Ideas, anyone? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 16:37, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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::::Well, The Cheat wears a random costume in [[anything]]. He was probably talking 'bout that. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 01:17, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Those are both good examples, but if I'm not mistaken, it happens more than just those times. I don't have time right now to look though. Also, what does The Cheat carrying the Lappy have anything to do with how hard it is to cheat? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Something like Unexplained Emails or Background Emails would be good. I think we should makes the page. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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== Email Strong Bad ==
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What happens if you email Strong Bad at: strongbad@homestarrunner.com is this still active? If now, how else can people contact the Chaps, apart from Twitter?
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:Nothing happens, really. Your email is sent and Strong Bad doesn't answer it... unless by some miracle he decides to do another sbemail sometime. As for contact, I'm not sure, but I think Twitter is one of the only ways, since they's taken down they's own email address. Oh, please sign your talk posts (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 16:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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== sbemail206 ==
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Sbemail 206 is not a Compe email. Sadly I don't know what to do with it. {{User:The thing/sig}} 04:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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:We're leaving it in the Compé era for the time being because the because the email menu on the site still features the Compé. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:57, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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== Lappier Era ==
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How are we going to handle categorizing the new sbemails? We still have [[sbemail206]] and [[too cool]] under the "[[Compé]] Era" section, even though the latter is unquestionably a [[Lappier]] Era email. The problem, of course, is that the sbemail menu is still Compé-themed. But we shouldn't keep sticking sbemails in a misleadingly-named section until The Brothers Chaps decide to update their menu. Is there a temporary solution we could use until then? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:54, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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:I think there should be a "Lappier Era" section, and maybe a note pointing out that it still uses the Compé menu. It makes more sense than including Lappier emails in the Compé section. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 18:54, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Not Quite Strong Bad Email List ==
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A little while ago, I {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&diff=783935&oldid=783934 changed the list}} to use &mdash; em dashes instead of <small>(tiny text in parentheses)</small>. Not only does it look much better (in my opinion), but it's also more consistent with other lists on the wiki. However, it was reverted because it didn't have as much of a "feel" to it. But I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. How should this list be formatted? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 19:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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:Anyone else have an opinion? The em dashes look clean and consistent, and the tiny text looks aesthetically displeasing. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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: i dunno, the tiny text looks nice to me, with text being the same size it looks a bit cluttered {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 15:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm for the em dash list. The current style doesn't match any other list on the wiki that I'm aware of, and I think changing text size in-line decreases readability. (What does "has a feel to it" mean anyway?) {{User:Lira/sig}} 19:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::I agree that the full size text seems very cluttered and hard to read.  Perhaps there’s a different way to present the information? -[[Special:Contributions/166.170.0.121|166.170.0.121]] 22:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::That's weird. For me it's the opposite; the full size text is pleasant and readable, while the small text looks cluttered and arbitrary. Maybe we could make it a table, with one column for the email number, one for the title, and one for the description. That way, we can keep the full size text, with borders between each item so it isn't as cluttered. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::: I am down for tables, I love tables, they make it much easier to digest the information! {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 16:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Not so into the table idea. That just sounds unnecessarily bulky and a weird format for the information. Maybe I just need to see a preview, but I still like the standard list with plain text. {{User:Lira/sig}} 20:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::I don't understand the desire to table everything. I think a table is best applied in situations when paired with an image or other critical data, such as dates. If it's just an example with an explanation, an ordinary list should suffice. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 03:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::Yeah, I mostly agree. I only suggested it because it seemed like a good way to include full size text without some people finding it cluttered. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::::The thing is it's no more cluttered than any other list of information on the wiki. If the style is cramping people's style, that should be a larger question for another talk page. Myself, I have no trouble reading it. {{User:Lira/sig}} 16:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::::::::Most other places in the wiki don’t have long sentence descriptions within this kind of list. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.90.18|166.137.90.18]] 18:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::::::No? What about [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship|character relationships]]? What about [[Style|running gags]] and [[Doughnuts|item pages]]? How is this different? {{User:Lira/sig}} 19:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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So far, it seems there are 3 votes for em dashes, 1 votes for parentheses, 1 vote for tables, and 1 vote for an alternative solution. That's probably the closest we'll get to a consensus, so I've made the changes. I'm putting my reasoning here in place of an edit summary:<br>
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The wiki's font size is intended to be read comfortably, so this list should stick to that. Like Lira said, if the text looks cluttered, that's a problem with the wiki rather than this list, so the discussion should be moved elsewhere. Every list on the wiki is formatted the same way, and no one has ever complained of their clutteredness before, to my knowledge. This list is no different in content, and that should be reflected in its appearance. Additionally, I think the consistent size looks cleaner and less arbitrary, and the em dash creates a neat separation between title and description. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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== {reading} ==
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Some emails have ''{reading}'' (or some variant) before the email, and some don't. Should we remove them from those emails, or add them to the rest? Or even leave them as is? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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:For the discussion purposes, when present [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=dragon&diff=next&oldid=784857 it looks like this].
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:Honestly, I'd be in favour of removing such instances. This mostly seems to be present in some older transcripts. I think just the presence of the email template is shorthand for him reading it out loud. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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::I am on the fence whether or not we should remove such instances.  Although 99% of email entries are read, sometimes they just show up on the screen. Also, "training" the new reader into expecting "hey this block will be read out loud" the first few emails (assuming they somehow went through each email sequentially) wouldn't be a bad thing.  And, in a detailed wiki like this, it might not hurt to have the "reading" portion in every email (although it should look sleeker).  Now, my own comment ago kind of thwarted an idea I had, and that was: add the "Reading" portion to the email templates or block quotes.  However, since this isn't going to be used 100% of the time, it's probably counter productive (instead a template that adds the notice would probably be better -- that is if we keep the notices at all.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:37, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::Since I haven't given my opinion yet, I don't think the notices are necessary. The email box is kind of a continuation of Strong Bad's dialogue, and in cases where it isn't read aloud, the transcript usually states ''{The following email can be seen:}'' or something similar. Going straight from the email song to the email makes for a smoother transition.
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:::We don't necessarily have to edit every email page right away, since that would be a huge undertaking. But it would be nice to reach a consensus, just so the notices can be added or removed during unrelated edits, if that makes sense. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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== Strong Bad Email Menu ==
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1. Why did we never have an article for the Strong Bad Email menus in general when the Toon Time and the speciality sbemail ones have a page?
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2. The new menu works completely differently and will probably need it's won page or subsection. Still trying figurue out if there's a pattern to Strong Bad's comments on the emails. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 02:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I was just wondering that myself. We need to create [[Strong Bad Email Menu]], stat! (Also, I notice you've been adding descriptions to each email's page. I'd suggest holding off on that for now. It's a big project that needs consensus for how it's going to be implemented.) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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::Discussion about descriptions continues at [[HRWiki:Projects#Toon Descriptions|HRWiki:Projects → Toon Descriptions]]
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== anyone like tge sbemaiil homsar? ==
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anyone? no? ok...
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==Sbemail209 release date==
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March 25th, 2022 --[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Man]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 17:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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:I wouldn’t get my hopes up. I don’t think we’re gonna see it for quite a while. And is there any source for that date or are you just making it up? [[User:TheOneAndOnlyDanky|TheOneAndOnlyDanky]] 18:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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::Mostly making it up, but hey, it might be out on either then OR april fools day, since they've been doing it every 4 years now. --[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Man]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 11:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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== sbemail templates ==
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I had an idea a while ago. What if instead of putting a whole blockquote thingy for an email, say [[strong badathlon]], instead we made a template for the email. I tried it out and it works.
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The template could be:
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<nowiki>{{sbemail165}}</nowiki>
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<blockquote class="lappy email">
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<div>subject: the cheat</div>
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Strong bad,<br>
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For a long time i've been wondering.... How far can you<br>
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throw the cheat?  If you don't want to do that, could you<br>
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beat the crud out of homestar for no reason?<br>
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Lewis Rudkin<br>
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Essex, England.
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What do you guys think? Cool idea? Stupid idea? I have made more templates over on my [[User:HoveringSombrero/Sandbox|sandbox]]. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
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:In theory, the idea isn't bad: I've thought of making a template with all the block quotes.  But making 200 different templates is too tedious and problematic to maintain.  Better to have a single template that has all the quotes in one place, selectable by a switch statement.  That way you can just programmatically pass the email number as a variable (for example <code><nowiki>{{sbemailTemplate|165}}</nowiki></code>; name pending) and maintain the code in a single location.  The downside would be that of performance as template limits might be reached if all 200 emails are included in a single page.  Either way, most likely the already-created templates will be deleted. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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<blockquote class="lappy email">
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Dear Homestar Runner Wiki,<br>
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I was wondering why someone was creating hundreds of templates for individual emails that in practice, would only be used once. It seems more logical to have a
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Also, a customizable template would also provide the opportunity for me to
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[[Crapfully yours|With excrement]],<br>
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-- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote>
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::I would only approve of this if they were combined into one template as Stux suggested, and even then I don't think it's necessary. Either way, I think the created templates should be deleted. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::These templates don't do anything except move one instance of code off the page where it appears. I don't see any benefit to this. Templates are useful for formatting, which these don't help with, or repetition, which I'd do a different way if we really thought we needed. (Given that sbemails aren't updating, I also don't think we currently need any formatting templates.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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