Editing Talk:Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items

== Old Discussion ==
This page is a mess. There's already the manual transcript. Is this needed? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:11, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think it is a necessity for a Homestar Encyclopedia, especially with actual pictures of the characters, and possible strategies. --[[User:Dex|Dex]] 06:45, 24 Mar 2005 (CST)

*Alright, but it needs MAJOR work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

I'll start adding pics. --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 09:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

I'd appreciate it if someone would turn this into a table. I have no idea how to do it.--[[User:Lord Pikachon|It's-a me]]

:I don't see how this could be turned into a table and look nice. I think it's fine as it is, but if you could describe what you're thinking about, I'd be happy to do it. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Well, we could divide it through the levels, and one section could be the image, the next could be the name, and the last could be how to a description and how to kill it.

:Oh, I see what you're saying. I'll get to work on it! &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Thank you.--[[User:Lord Pikachon|The guy who's name you know]]

Oh, and I'd also like to thank 207.177.0.9, for doing so much work on the page.

Don't mention it, I needed to kill an hour, but would someone please find an accurate number of how many shots it takes to kill those things.   Wow, now that I look at this, I should have stopped by here earlier, could've sped the whole thing up a lot. And thanks to that dude thats adding pics, but whoever made the table got rid of a pic, might want to fix that..... That didn't take long. Maybe you could include what levels the enemies are found in in the table.

:Yeah, I got sort of lost during that. If you'd like to add them, go ahead. If you need any help, just ask me or anyone else. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Could you add a New Colum for me, After description, entitled 'In Level(s)' otherwise I'll add it to the discription.

:Done. To add to it, simply put a space after the description, then add "||", another space, and then the level. Good luck! &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Thanks, got that done, but somethings up with the Stobat

:I fixed it.&rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Thanks, I think my part in this is done, at least until they add more levels, 'cause I can't do anything about the pictures.

I should be working right now, so naturally I'll go snap some shots of the un-pictured baddies. [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 11:07, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Okay, looks like just about everything is in place now.  Also added a couple of hazards which weren't in the manual, and the items from level 3.2.  I didn't remember if the spork things showed up in level 2.1 or 2.2, so if someone could go fix that up, that'd be great. [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 12:54, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

Um, aren't the Greggo thingys supposed to imitate that enemy with the construction helmet in the old Megaman games?  I think it was called Metall.  Exact same behavior.  Boos only moved if you weren't looking in their direction, but Greggos seem to move until you make direct eye contact on their plane. [[User:weirdguy|weirdguy]]

*They're Mets, and maybe. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 11:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

*I'm positive it's a reference to Metools, seeing as the entire game's graphic system is based off of the old Megaman games. The only difference is the Metools would try to shoot at you, and that was when their weak spot was shown. That was always a pretty bad design on Dr. Wily's behalf. [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 10:11, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

I love how the smaller, automatically-generated thumbnail image for Stlunko is about twice as big filesize-wise as the original, larger picture.  [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 14:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)


==Images==
I think an effort should be made to make all the images the same width. As it stands now, it makes my eyes hurt. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:49, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I agree.  Same width = page format goodness.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:00, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Me and my brother helped make a new Stobat image. I think we did it in a way that could be copied by all other regular enemies: made 100 pixels long (height variable), transparent background and (if wanted) an animated gif. Anyways, I wouldn't mind making some more baddies like this if other people like it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 14:21, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

== That Flower Guy ==

Thanks to a certain...level editor...I have found out that the fireball requires 3-4 hits to destroy. Should I add that? --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 17:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC) P.S. I don't remember if it was 3 hits or 4...

What kinda level editor? what 'choo talkin' 'bout?? [[User:Homfrog|Homfrog]] 00:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Bluetant ==

Should we really include a separate entry for "Bluetant"? After the Stinkomanual update, it's still not listed, and it is identical to Browntant aside from color. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:12, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I already did that. [[User:Stongbah]]

:But it really doesn't need to be there, since it's just a Browntant with a different color. I say go with Jay's idea. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 18:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, my comment is that we DON'T need a Bluetant entry, and shortly after writing this, I erased "Bluetant" and just merged it with "Browntant". "Bluetant" is not an official name, and the enemy is identical to Browntant in everything except color. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
:::I put bluetant as a seperate entry originally since I thought it would be in the manual when it was updated, possibly with a reference to the browntant as the up/downtant had. It wasn't, so I agree with Jay's decision here --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 00:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I think we should put a seperate entry for Bluetant because The 2 "unknown" enemies weren't listed in the  manual but they're in the game and they have a seperate entry.  [[User:Fullbide|Fullbide]]
:The nameless ones need separate entries. They're completely unique enemies. The only difference between the Browntants in levels 6 and -0 is colour. Unlike, say, Frotzer and Gaspeau, they operate completely the same. To me, it's a call back to old games like [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros.|Super Mario Bros.]], where the enemies had varying colours depending on the level (but were otherwise identical). They're only a different colour for one reason: to make them more pleasing to the eye. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I would agree with [[User:DorianGray|Dorian Gray's]] idea. We do not need a "bluetant"entry. It's a recoulored Browntant. It's just recoloured to make it look more pleasing to the eye. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

== Frotzer And Gaspeau ==

How do you people know which is Frotzer and which is Gaspeau?[[User:209.104.139.221|209.104.139.221]]

Actually I think that the blue one is Gaspeau since it's the one that "Flies in like a lion and out like gaspeau" the red one simply flies back and forth. I don't really think it matters that much though. [[User:PAUAU|PAUAU]]

:When I made the walkthrough I just guessed, really. For some reason the connotations of "Frotzer" seem more "blue" to me... I was probably linking it mentally with the word "frost". <s>However I've since opened up the Flash file in a [http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/ decompiler], and Frotzer is definately the blue one.</s> {{User:phlip/sig}} 15:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hasn't anyone noticed touching Protek or its cable costs you 2 units of energy? [[User:Porchi|Porchi]]

Don't be so sure. Notice in the level 4 object library, it says '''Gaspeau trigger''' and not '''Frotzer Trigger'''. The blue ones are triggered by your progress, while the red ones just stay in the same spot the whole time until you kill them. But I still think frotzer is blue for some reason. I guess that's just the way I thought it at first, and that's the way I like it I suppose..., --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 17:49, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'd just like to say I think Gaspeau is the red one 'cause it appears first in both the game and manual.

To add on that, Chorches come before Greggoes and Greggoes come first. [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

:Wow, I don't know what I was thought I saw when I did the decompiley thingy, I just checked again, and the blue one is definately "EnemyGaspeau". Plus the trigger is labelled "Gaspeau Trigger" as DLS said. The word "Frotzer" isn't anywhere in the game internals, the red guy is just Chorch with a different appearance, so it just flies back and forth like Chorch. Umm... yeah. So I guess I'll go change them all now. Sorry guys. {{User:phlip/sig}} 13:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::All done, I think. Still no idea why I thought they were vice-versa. {{User:phlip/sig}} 13:32, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

The red one is Gaspeau and the blue one is Frotzer beacause if you do a google search for Gaspeau and Frotzer the Red one is Gaspeau and the blue is Frotzer. [[User:Fullbide|Fullbide]]

The red one is Gaspeau because in the manual it said in flies in like a lion and out like Gaspeau<s>, And the Blue one is Frotzer beacause it has the word "frost" in it. </s>{{User:Tampo/sig}}

The blue one is Gaspeau and the red one is Frotzer because <s>I tried doing a google search for Gaspeau and Frotzer and Gaspeau was the blue one and Frotzer was the red one was Frotzer and</s> in the level 4 object library and the flash decompiler  it's labled '''Gaspeau Trigger''' and not '''Frotzer Trigger''', but I still think the blue one is Frotzer and the red one is Gaspeau for some reason. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

When I did a search for Gaspeau and Frotzer, Frotzer was the blue one. {{User:Stothos/sig}}


When did you do this search? {{User:Tampo/sig}}

I did it in late September. {{User:Stothos/sig}}

The only search results for Frotzer and Gaspeau came from HRWiki, as you can see on [http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Frotzer&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images this page.] {{User:Tampo/sig}} 

In late September we said Frotzer was the blue one. But now we changed it so for the google searches, Frotzer's the red one. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

::I hate to restate what was said below, but the only relevant google images should be coming from hrwiki.org, as you can see on [http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Gaspeau&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images this page]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 15:45, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, Google is the worlds best source.  Don't argue with the facts. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:54, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

:The only (relevant) Google Images results for Gaspeau and Frotzer come from HRWiki - so since we were wrong to start with, Google is wrong since it's based on what we said. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 20:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

::I kinda was sarcastic there.  It is pretty obvious now. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cabbage ==

The cabbage thingy ''is'' in all versions of the object library, not just the first one. It is just not in the main scene after the first. So quit changing it. Get a flash decompiler if you don't believe me. {{User:phlip/sig}} 00:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't see him in level 4, 5, or 6 object libraries. Only the first one. Show me where he is in all these other versions. Cause right now, I don't believe you. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 17:44, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

He said that it isn't in the main scene. If you've got a Flash decompiler, see sprite 386 in the v5 object library. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 07:06, 7 July 2005 (BST)

What the hell is a Flash Decompiler? --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 19:10, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:A Flash decompiler is something that disassembles the elements of a Flash (swf) file, and allows the individual objects to be exported as necessary. And just by poking around in the objectlibrary.swf file, it is very easy to see that the cabbage is still in there. If you're still confused, try [http://www.google.com Googling] "Flash decompiler". --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 18:31, 9 July 2005

== Fullbide ==
One of the new enemies names is Full Bide. Most likely the laser shooting one. --[[User:Technochocolate|Technochocolate]] 14:15, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
: Where did you find this? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
: Never mind. I see it now. The object library. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:28, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:: That said, since it reads "Full Bide ''Trigger''" (emphasis mine) it's probably the "Yellow Ship", not the "Laser Robot" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:27, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:: Told you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:51, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Blue disapaering clouds ==

Shouldn't these be in obstacles?
They were a big part of level 6...

I agree. &mdash; {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 15:11, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Clean Up ==

*All the images need to be transparent and the same size.
{{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:23, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== The yellow dot things ==

They look alot like Gels from the Legend of Zelda series, should this be mentioned?

We should not mention that, because that is a totally different game/movie (whatever it is) so we shouldn't metion it. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

Should we add that Stafulter can be killed with a [http://www.fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Stinkoman_20X6_-_CHEAT_VERSION certain cheat program]? And also, that cabbage-type-dude appears in [http://www.fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Stinkoman_20X6_-_CUSTOM_LEVELS some custom levels] on the fanstuff wiki. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 18:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I think GIFs are way better than PNGs. Why not make every picture into a gif? It would look alot better. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 18:46, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:There should be no mentions of cheat programs on this page. Cheat programs are unofficial fanstuff. Also, pngs are a preferable image format UNLESS you are doing animation. While I agree animated gifs would be the most appropriate for this page, until animated gifs are made of all the enemies, we should stick with png. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:22, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Green things==
*Should it be noted that the green capsules resemble the poison mushrooms from the Mario game the lost Levels?  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}

Maybe. They do look and seem alot like poison 'shrooms.. &mdash; {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 15:12, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Stobat==

Something is wrong with the stobat. He looks kinda orange instead o' yellow. And shouldn't the bones be in the animated gif along with him? --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 15:16, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Cabbage-like thing ==

The balls from the cabbage-thing resembles the Poorbts fists. That means nothing, but my theory is, that it was unused foliage but taken out because it looked like an enemy. Possibly an earlier enemy or is it nothing to worry about? --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 10:37, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Um, I'd say that they're unused stuff, or they're going to be on another level. --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 01:34, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== The letter P ==
In Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, you need to get a P (The letter, duh) to fill in the name of an enemy so you can defeat him... could the P you collect in 3.2 be a refrence? --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 01:34, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Probably not -- I think it's just the usual TBC absurdism.--[[User:151.203.182.181|151.203.182.181]] 05:32, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:(I realize I'm replying several months later, but this is for the benefit of those reading.)  P's are noted in [[Stinkoman 20X6 Real-World References]] as being commonplace in the Mario series (starting with SMB3), and in other games as well.  P presumably stands for "Power" in most cases.  I believe that a specific reference to Paper Mario would be quite the stretch, though - especially since in that particular case the "P" is not a power-up, but rather the solution to a puzzle. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

== Harvax XVII ==

Has it been brought to anyone's attention that the description of Harvax (small but speedy squid or octopus) aptly describes the "unknown" enemy in Level 9? --[[User:Redmond|Redmond]] 22:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>blinks twice* Actually, I didn't notice that until just this moment. Wow, you're pretty sharp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
Also, the unknown enemies seem to fly in pairs in a circular pattern.  I already changed the description to say this, so if anyone wants to comment on that, may as well do it here. --[[User:Redmond|Redmond]] 23:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

== Evaporating Clouds ==

I think I'm the first one who noticed this, but evaporating clouds deserve a place in the "Other Hazards" section. Can someone add an image for this? When I tried to do this, it didn't turn out right.--{{User: Ampi/sig2}} 03:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind. I got it to turn out the way I wanted to.--{{User: Ampi/sig2}} 04:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Deciding not to waste a new section and posting here, I think the walls in level 9 should be an other hazard too. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 13:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

== How in the world did someone ==

found out what the enemies are called? &mdash; [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 23:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:They're listed in the Stinkomanual. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Name change ==

I don't like this being "Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies", because it includes items too. I know that moving just the items to a new page isn't very pratical, so can we change it to something like "Glossary" or something like that? --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 18:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know. This page is quite long, enemies might be good on their own page and the hazards, items and bosses could go somewhere else. Making it glossary would make "Playable Characters" want to move as well, making a rediciously long page even longer. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
But couldn't you consider the bosses to be enemies? {{User:LePorello/sig}} 14:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that the enemies, items, bosses and hazards should all have thier own page. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

== Items ==

I think we should put a seperate entry for each item rather than putting only one entry for the apple, ear, P and the soap.
:Unnecessary.  If all the items do the same thing, why bother adding a separate entry for each? -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
But They're all different items. {{User:Stothos/sig}}
:I understand that, and all four types are listed together.  But its pointless to separate them when they all have the same purpose.  Also, Stothos, why are you using Tampo's sig? -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 18:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. You should use your own sig, not anyone elses. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

::''{edit conflict}'' Maybe one reason for combining is that the page is already ''really'' long. Also, remember the function of the wiki: it's not a stamp collection, it's a sorta-encyclopedia-type-thing. The point is that people get the information; how the information's organized is secondary. I.e. changes to a page's layout should make the info easier to get; I can't really imagine anyone needing to know about the "P" but ''not'' needing to know about the other three! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

== New Name Change ==

:I don't really think that we should call this page Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items because it has other hazards and bosses too. And by the way there is a discussion page for [[Talk:Stinkoman_20X6_Screens|Stinkoman 20X6 Screens]] and it has been threre since November! {{User:Tampo/sig}}
::Bosses are still enemies, though. They're just special enemies. Just sayin'. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Also, "Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items" is quite awkward enough. "Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies, Items, Hazards, and Bosses" is just... ech. 
--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I think we should just put enemies, hazards, bosses and items on a seperate page. {{User:Tampo/sig}}

:::You could just call it "Stinkoman 20X6 Stuff" or something like that. ;) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah. That's a good idea. {{User:Tampo/sig}}
::::I still think we should put items, enemies, hazards and bosses on a seperate page. I still thought Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies was good enough. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 01:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I think it's fine the way it is. (Though at first I used to think the same way.) The items section seems to be too small to have its own page, and at least one item is a hazard, so it kinda flows a bit.  Moreover, it can't just be called "enemies" cuz of the items listing. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== piedmont ==

Do you think that the enemy piedmont is a refrence to Piedmont Park in Atlanta?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

== Tampo... ==

I was just thinking... wouldn't it make sense that Tampo is the 20X6 version of the visor robot? I mean, Tampo's a brain inside a robot suit, and The visor robot has a brain inside, as noted by Strong Sad in some old halloween cartoon whose name I don't remember. --Shadow Scythe of Strongbadia?!
:That's a very interesting piece of speculation. It would be interesting to see if TBC ever draw further parallels there. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::I tend to think of Tampo as the brain inside the Visor Robot and Stlunko as the actual robot. Perhaps they went their seperate ways. --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 12:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

== [[8 Bit is Enough]] Version ==

I think we should put in an new section in it of the 3D ones. [[User:Absorr...too|-Absorr&#124;Homestar Runner Wiki is a must]] 23:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== 'Shots to kill' needs to be more accurate. ==

It would have to say how many shots it ACTUALLY took to destroy the thing, and how many kicks and pounds (level 5 and 4) it would take, too. Something like this?
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Name !! Image !! Description !! Shots to kill !! Pounds to kill !! Kicks to kill !! Levels
|}

: Is there anything wrong with it the way it is? And does there exist any monster that requires a different number of kicks/punches than shots? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, for one example, a browntant does NOT take only 3 hits to kill.
:Yes it does, it's just completely invincible while flashing. You can't just fire three immediately and kill it. If you fire one, wait for it to stop flashing, fire the second one, wait for it to stop flashing, fire the third one, it's destroyed. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

==Liekand==

Liekand bears an uncanny resemblance to the Mr. Glitch from Mathman. Should the article mention that? [[Special:Contributions/122.106.79.237|122.106.79.237]] 10:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== 20X6 bubs! ==

Bubs is kinda like chorch, don't you think? --[[Special:Contributions/206.116.79.130|206.116.79.130]] 01:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Any answer would be speculation. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::I always pegged 20X6 Bubs as [[:File:Duck Guardian winscreen.png|this guy]]. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)