Editing Talk:Nicknames

==Falsely Accused==
Um, some poor soul got WikiTrolled for adding "false" nicknames that were 100% genuine. The problem is that he slightly misattributed them - they weren't in kids' book per se, they were in Strumstar Hammer (the fake version of the original book.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:43, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

:My fault. I searched on [[kids' book]] and didn't see the nicknames, so I assumed it was a troll. I should've searched the names before I accused him. I'll remove him from [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and clean up all this mess. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

:: Yeah, it's okay. Enough troll edits will make you paranoid, I know. Just hope we didn't offend him. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:37, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::I doubt he even knew he was on WikiTroll (or even what WikiTroll is). &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]
:::: I thought he might have been blocked, but that doesn't seem to be the case. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:49, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==Wrestle-name==
Wasn't Homestar referring to Strong Mad when he talked about the 'two-bit wrestleman'? After all, he didn't know that Strong Bad was on Strong Badia's side before he saw him playing badminton. Thus, shouldn't 'two-bit wrestleman' be listed as a Strong Mad nickname, but 'Wrestleman' be listed as a Strong Bad nickname?
:From the transcript of [[army]]:
::''{scene changes to The Stick}''

::'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Are you sick and tired of playing second-fiddle to a two bit wrestle man and his yellow dog?

::'''CROWD''': YEAH!
:I think Homestar is talking about Strong Bad and The Cheat here.  I don't think Homestar refers to Strong Mad at all in the email. From reading the rest of Homestar's speech, it would seem he is referring to other things that either Strong Bad has done or Strong Bad has.
:So as of right now, the nicknames listed are correct in this respect.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:52, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Meatball Face Butt ==

*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])

I removed this because Meatball Face Butt isn't technically attributed by Strong Bad to Homestar. It's given by [[Dangeresque]] to [[Dangeresque Too|Dangeresque]]. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 05:45, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

Also, that was more insult than nickname. [[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 17:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== An Ogre ==

*an ogre (Marzipan, [[dreamail]])

Surely this doesn't count as a nickname? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 06:02, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

== One character = another? ==

Does it count when one character (usually Homestar) refers to another character with a third character's name - ie. when Homestar calls Strong Bad "Strong Sad" in [[caper]], or when he calls Strong Bad "Pom Pom" in [[the facts]]? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:59, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Homsar calls himself ==

Should the names that Homsar calls himself really be included? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 20:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: We counted it when Homestar called himself "Batman", or when Strong Bad called himself Stark Dålig. So why not? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:: But do things like "a song from the sixties" belong there? Those seem more like descriptive phrases than nicknames. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I think a good way to settle this is to move them to a new section on [[Homsar]]'s biography, similar to how with did with [[Coach Z]]'s mispronunced words. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
== Still haven't done it! ==
Seriously, put " Song from the Sixties with Homsar! --[[User:Trog-Boy90]]

Unless we haven't already done this, we should also make a separate page for [[Senor Cardgage]] portmanteaus. [[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 17:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Stupid baby brother ==

*My stupid baby brother (Strong Bad, [[different town]])

I removed this because of its being a direct description of Strong Sad's person (in Strong Bad's point of view, mind you), not a different name for him, nor is it being used as such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 01:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Already taken care of? ==

Is it just me, or does all of this info already exist on the character pages (also known as...)?  Is a completely seperate page necessary to this wiki anyway? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 02:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
: It's just you :)  Seriously, though, you're right that there is overlap, but the a.k.a. sections on character pages also include alternate incarnations (such as Dr. Christmas for Bubs) that aren't nicknames. The nickname page is just kinda fun by itself, I don't know why.  [[User:Eric|Eric]] 12:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Dapper Swindler==

Do you think that [[The Dapper Swindler]] should also be included here? [[User:84.10.229.242|84.10.229.242]] 09:29, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I was going to say no, because I'm pretty sure it's The Sneak's only nickname, but Balding Man, Visor Robot and others are listed with only one, so... Yeah, I think it should be included (though I'd wait for others to second this before adding it). -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 09:48, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Seconded and added. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:00, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Dangeresque character names- nicknames?==

Okay, let me ask this once and for all, so I can get my confusion cleared up here: can the Dangeresque character names be considered nicknames? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 04:14, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I would say no because they're characters in movies that Strong Bad made. They're fictional characters, but saying these are nicknames is kind of like calling actors by the names of characters they've played. [[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 06:08, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I added KILLINGYOUGUY to Strong Mad's section because in the end credits it lists Killingyouguy as Himself.

:::Shouldn't KILLINGYOUGUY be listed for Strong Mad and Strong Sad then? Because the character KILLINGYOUGUY was played by both... characters. Anon

== Low and No ==

Strong Sad calls his brothers 'Low-brow' and 'No-brow' in his latest blog entry to these count as nicknames from Strong Mad and Strong Bad? [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

Sounds logical. If you can figure out which Strong is Low-Brow and which one is No-Brow I'd say go for it.

:Strong Bad's no-brow, because he has no brows... I think. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''

::Also, "lowbrow" = "unintellectual"; that fits Strong Mad, I think. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah but brow also means forehead, Strong Bad could be low brow since he's not exactly 'cultured' and Strong Mad could be no brow since he has no forehead. I'm just throwing this out there as a possibility. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

== Eh! Greg ==

I think there's some disagreement here. I'm pretty sure that SB's 'Eh! Greg' was him forgetting Eh! Steve's name, not making Eh! Steve adress Prime Time. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:I took it not as SB forgetting, but agreeing that this creation was very much ''like'' Eh! Steve, but not the same; hence he would need a similar but not-the-same name. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::But is the name given to his drawing of Eh! Steve or Ready for Prime Time? That's what would determine where the nickname would go. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Ready for Prime Time. You could argue that its name is Eh! Greg, but certainly not Eh! Steve. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:52, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Mustachioed Homestar Runner ==

How do we know that the Mustachioed Homestar Runner is nicknamed "Fabrosi" in [[lady...ing]]? Yes, the person who "sent" in the old email was called Fabrosi but just because M.H.R. followed Strong Bad's advice doesn't mean that he sent in the email. I don't see a strong enough link for this one. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. Not a strong enough link to link the two. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 17:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hang on! I've just watched it again and changed my mind! Observe:

::'''''STRONG BAD:''' 2nd and 3rd best friends?? What about Fabrosi? What'd you two do to Fabrosi? Eh, whatever. That guy's probably out lady-ing with that '''fake mustache he always wears.''' It's only gonna attract gold-diggers.''

::If M.H.R. is really Homestar Runner, or at least a clone with a fake mustache, then perhaps that's his nickname after all. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 22:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Good point, but I'm still thinking it's not a strong enough link to make this a definitive case.  Perhaps if we added ''(debatable)'' to the reference? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

== Splitting In Characters ==
I don't really see the point of splitting nick names by the type of toon they come from. The names themselves aren't really affected by the toon, so to me it seems distracting and stretches the TOC. I liked it when it was just alphabetical. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:I'll second that. This doesn't look as nice. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Hang on a sec... Why are these being split. (That's what I was going to post, and I see two people are already asking the question.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I was just helping - it looked like a good documentation effort to me, but come to think of it, I agree that it's making things cumbersome. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Really, too many headers is bad. It's fine to split things like this when there's only one thing that needs splitting, like normal fun facts, but when there's this many it just looks bad. And long. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:::::Everything else is grouped by category.  The list itself it serious long and looks ugly random.  Actually is looks horrible. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I have an idea: To organize the nicknames the way IRF is going for, without affecting the formatting too much, why don't we just do it like this?:

*Nickname from big toon (character, toon)
*Nickname2 from big toon (character, toon)
*Nickname3 from big toon (character, toon)
<br>
*Nickname from SBEmail (character, email)
*Nickname2 from SBEmail (character, email)
*... and so on

This way, you'd have the nicknames grouped together by toon type, but you wouldn't run into the huge TOC like we were before. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:...because the type of toon doesn't effect the name at all. It'll be easier for someone to find the nickname they're looking for if they're all laid out in a simple, logical order. Like alphabetical. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:''[Edit conflict]'' I don't see how grouping by toon type is an improvement, because then you've just got a list that's not in alphabetical order. My question is this, why would you need to search for a nickname in the context of what type of toon it is? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::That's exactly my point! Splitting isn't good unless it splits it in a way that aids the average reader in finding what he's looking for. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''Edit Conflict''': Perhaps someone might look for a list of nicknames being used at a specific toon? Would a separate page ordered in this manner be of any benefit?--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::If this were the case, they should be looking at that toon's page. The toon pages should have these nicknames in like the "fun facts" section or something. [[User:Awesomermustang|Awesomermustang]] 19:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::What about consistency?  NOTHING else is listed in alphabetical order.  Everything is listed in order of appearance.  Menus, filmograhpies, other lists such as [[What_are_you_supposed_to_be]], [[Hanging_Objects]], [[Minor_Alternate_Versions]]... I could go on and on because everything on the wiki is listed by category. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Yes, but these aren't listed entirely in alphabetical order either. They're listed by ''character''. Alphabetical order is just an unobtrusive sub-classification. And many other pages use similar, sub-alphabetical order classifications. Such as [[Characters]], [[Items]], [[Sightings]] and [[Games]]. (Although some of these only partially do so.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I would look at your examples again because not one of them used alphabetic lists. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Noted that these pages are inconsistent in their formatting - some of them are done alphabetically (in some cases by last name), while others are done in order of popularity, rank, relevance, etc., and some seem random. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::That is beside the point. The fact is using alphabetically order isn't inconsistant, as some of these pages do use it. Partially. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm switching my position. After looking closely at the article [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Nicknames&oldid=199436 with categories], splitting does add a certain nuance. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well it seems that Joshua and Dorian Gray are the only 'no' opinions here.  I'd like to get some more input here before I spend time only to have some reverted. How about something like this:


'''Big Toons'''
:*Nickname (character, toon)
:*Nickname2 (character, toon)
'''Shorts'''
:*Nickname (character, toon)
:*Nickname2 (character, toon)

{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:Better, but I still don't like it. The nicknames are easy to locate and browse through now. All those do is lengthen the page and make it a little bit harder to find individual nicknames, as you don't always know what type of toon the nickname you're looking for came from. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::Also, no one complained when I did this [[Fourth_Wall_Breaks]] about a week ago. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately we're working with a more complicated "dataset" for lack of a better word.  Your [[Fourth_Wall_Breaks]] rearrangement looks great because there is only two sublevels of information to deal with: the toons, and the breaks that happen in each toon.  This beast is a little more complicated to tame.  You are trying to create three sublevels of information: the character, the toon, and then the nickname for each toon. This adds a level of complexity that is not as pleasing to the eye. So coming up with something that both looks more organized and is simple enough to look at, is tricky, at best. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

<font size=4><b>On a New Page...</b></font>

I'd still like to see a new page that looks something like this:

'''Toon Name'''
:*Nickname (of character x) given by character y
:*Nickname2 (of character x) given by character y
'''Toon Name2'''
:*Nickname (of character x) given by character y
:*Nickname2 (of character x) given by character y

That way we could skim through the toons to see what nicknames were being used throughout that toon.  The toons themselves could be ordered chonologically. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

: This discussion brings to mind a question: Do we have the ability to do more complex scripting in Wiki pages?  This seems like an ideal place to create a small relational database, and to create a frontend page that allows users to sort and organize the data however they like.  So you'd have a table that contains the character, their nickname, who said it, what toon it was from, and when the toon was released, and the webpage could very easily sort by any one or two of these items.  If such scripting is possible, I'd be happy to do it - this sort of thing is what I do for a living. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::That kind of thing would be nice, but I'm not sure it's possible under our current security settings (and I'm not talking about the recent vandalism, just the way the wiki is set up in general). Changing it would probably require extensive modifications to the code. I didn't really make a case for splitting the nicknames up there, so I will do so now: When you [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Nicknames&oldid=199436 split them into categories], you notice that the nicknames the characters use in Marzipan's Answering Machine, for example, are quite similar to each other, and of a completely different style from those in Big Toons. From the standpoint of simply browsing of the article, having them categorized is therefore more interesting than a simple alphabetical list. And, really, when are you going to search for one that alphabetical order would come in handy. (Even in that case, there's always Ctrl+F.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::'''Edit Conflict''': LoL I think i've heard it being mentioned before and sounds like a neat idea. Unfortunately MediaWiki is not built to handle such dynamic content (as far as I know).  But the source code is just PHP working on a MySQL database. The nice thing is that mediawiki is [[MetaWikipedia:Write_your_own_MediaWiki_extension|extendible]] I have [[User:Tom|Tom]] to thank for that [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions|awesome link]].  Getting permission from the administration is totally different.  If you're going to code for mediawiki, I strongly suggest [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download installing] a copy on your computer to play with.  I assume you know how to get MySQL and Apache (or eek! IIS) running. Good Luck!  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''Addendum''': Dot Com is right, what I was vaguely referring to by permission was that yeah adding code can open up the site to all sorts of attack.  My guess would be perhaps a more compact, simple, and secure extension would be more attractive to admins? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:16, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds like it would be easiest to just create the page statically.  T'was an idea, but it doesn't sound like it's worth the effort required.  So, any way to do the categorization without affecting the TOC?  (Or perhaps we can make a static TOC as well?) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::A manual TOC would be a workaround, but a better one would be to make categories using something other than sections. Simple big, '''bold''' text would do fine. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
What about:
<big><big>'''Character'''</big></big>
{| style=" border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! Nickname || Given by || appeared in
|- 
| colspan="3" | <center>'''Big Toons'''</center>
|-
| example1 
| strong bad 
| toon
|-
| example2 
| strong bad 
| toon
|-
| example3 
| strong bad 
| toon
|-
| colspan="3" | <center>'''Shorts'''</center>
|-
| example4 
| strong bad 
| toon
|}
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'm good with that.  Helps to make the thing more legible, too. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::That's kinda complicated. How about something simple. See the page as it is now. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::That looks pretty nice, actually.  Good jorb! {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::The question is then, when the a character gives another character several nicknames in one toon are they listing on the same line (such as Hamstray, Hamster, Stramstar, Stairmaster, Homegrown, Ramrod, Humphel (Coach Z, A Jorb Well Done)) or on different line like flashback is now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Well, Coach Z says all of those pretty much in one breath, so I can see how we would justify putting them on one line. And I don't mind the flashbacks being on several lines. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Now within each section should the items be listed alphabetically or in date order? Just let me know and I'll start on it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I vote alphabetical. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I vote date order. That keeps all the flashbacks together, which should be a secondary goal if we're really going to organize the page topically. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I will wait again to get more feedback {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't have a strong opinion either way on this - alphabetical order might make it easier to find the nickname in question, but I can also see how most people visiting this page are going to be more interested in the context of the nickname (and discovering nicknames rather than knowing a specific one), so grouping by toon / chronological order makes sense.  Go for it! (and lemme know if I can help!) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::To put it another way, if we're putting the nicknames in categories based on the type of toon they come from, we should then take the next logical step of grouping them by toon. Chronological order therefore makes sense. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I finished my work on this page this morning. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== pix ==

this page needs just a few pictures.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:I disagree. This is more of a list, and a picture or two might clutter it. Besides, the subject of the page really doesn't translate into picture form that well either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Marzipan's Answering Machine ==

Invisible Robot Fish, you made two changes I don't understand:

1. You moved Senator Bobblehead to Homestar's section.  This is not correct.  Apparently you interpreted it as a jab at Homestar, but Strong Bad would not have had Bobblehead handily winning the election if it was supposed to be a Homestar slam.  Senator Bobblehead is just the conclusion of the Bob Statesman - Senator Statesbob - Senator Bobblehead corruption; all three are the same character.  Can we move it back where it belongs?

2. You deleted the dialog snippets for Mr. Nobody et al.  Why?  These provide useful context, and it can be argued that they are extensions of the characters' names.  What was the harm?

On the other hand, thanks for reverting my Ron Dardman error.  It didn't quite click that the name in the parentheses was already understood to be the person speaking, rather than the person aliased; but now I get it.  And thanks to KieferSkunk for putting little underbite man in the right place.  D'oh!

[[User:Bill|Bill]] 16:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:I didn't mean to move anything.  I apologize.  I thoought I put it back in the right spot but I guess not.  I was mainly keeping the confirmity of this page.  Each item is listed as ''Nickname (person_who_said_it, where_it_appeared)''. I think we all realize that many of these are not ''actually'' nicknames but rather names in which a character is reffered.  I don't think its nessesary to put all that explanation into the parenthesis since it's just a list and not a commentary. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::Point taken, although I think it's helpful to have the context listed ''somewhere''.  Okay, how about this then: I'll create a new entry for all of Strong Bad's obviously bogus aliases, make it a Running Gag, and put the text snippets on that page.  This should at least be as legitimate a running gag as names ending in -erson, right? [[User:Bill|Bill]] 17:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds kosher to me.  I'd wait to get feedback from some more people though if I were you. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Here's feedback: I like that idea Bill. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I concur - Strong Bad's Answering Machine aliases seem to be in a category all their own. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 06:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Lol! The act of [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=concur concurring] and [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=concurrence concurrence] are two different things! Oh, wait maybe not. They ''can'' be the same. For concurrence I use the defition ''the simultaneous occurrence of events or circumstances''. Anyway, I too, concur. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I created the page as [[Obviously Phony Aliases]].  Since a couple of other characters have done basically the same thing, it seemed appropriate to make it generic.  See what you think. {{User:Bill/sig}} 12:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

==Putting "The Chort" in Order==
I managed to combine all of the times Coach Z called The Cheat "The Chort" in four Strong Bad E-mails to free up possible space for future nicknames for him. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 11:40 PM US EST Dec 8 2005
:I took it a step further, and put all of The Chorts together at the top. That just seems to be Coach Z's name for The Cheat, regardless of the context. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

== portrait de SB? ==
In [[portrait]], the portrait of Strong Bad is labeled "Strongio de Badio". Would this be a nickname, or no, because it's the title of the portrait, not SB? {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:It could be considered a nickname, I guess. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::Just a note: It actually reads "Strongio '''da''' Baddio" - you can verify this by viewing the Flash file and zooming in. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Really? It looks like Strongio ''De'' Badio. Weird. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Strongiodabadio.PNG|thumb|No '''Da!''']]
::::Nope, see for yourself. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== TOC cleanup ==

I'm thinking of changing the nav headers for the individual minor characters to plain-text headers so they don't appear in the table of contents.  This would reduce the "Minor Characters" section to six subsections (for each of the universes they belong to) and reduce the overall size of the TOC.  I think this would make sense especially since most of those characters have only one or two "nicknames" listed.  Any objections? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:No objections here. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

== Better Organization ==
I'm thinking that the nickname giver would make a better and more relevant subcategory than the type of toon. :S - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
:That's been annoying me for quite a bit. I agree, it would. Or maybe negative names and positive names... I still think the name giver would be better. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 19:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
::I think the organization is good the way it already is. Note that this is discussed extensively above. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:::I do agree with Dot com, but I do think that the negative/positive organization is a good idea. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Hey guys, I was just thinking about this, maybe we could make different pages each having a different orgainization, so the reader could pick wether to look for information alphabetically by nickname, alphabetically by name-giver, or as it is now, depending on what he/she knows about the nickname, and we could make this page be the navigation for it all.  I don't mind doing the dirty work. I dunno what you guys think, but it's a thought. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 20:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::We discussed that topic a while ago (see further up on this talk page), when I brought up the possibility of making this page database-driven so you could organize the list in a variety of ways.  It was decided then that we should stick with a single-page list where everything is organized as best as possible. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar's Nicknames==

The Coach Z nicknames are mispronounciations, not nicknames.

== Scope Of This Page ==

I think many of the "nicknames" here are not properly nicknames. Exs:

* Homsar says to Homestar, "You're a real state trooper!" Is this really a nickname? I don't think so. He could have said this to anyone who dropped anything into his bucket.
*sb and ds in [[keep cool]] - these are labels, not nicknames. They are simply identifying marks. Not notable (here), in my opinion.
*'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Oh! That little yellow thing! Wake up! - ''little yellow thing'' is not a nickname, it's a description.
*'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Are you sick and tired of playing second-fiddle to a two bit wrestle man and his yellow dog? - again, ''yellow dog'' is a description, not a nickname.

Oh, how I could go on. Let me propose a few guidelines for discussion.

#A nickname is spoken in almost every case, as is the nature of nicknames.
#A nickname is not simply a description of the individual.
#A nickname is not applicable to another character acting in the same situation.
#A nickname is not simply a phrase one uses to refer to themself or others.
#A nickname IS a moniker applied to a character which is reasonably unique to that character and no other, useful as a direct referrent for the character, and will normally embody some trait or perception of the character.
#A nickname normally takes the form of a proper noun.

So "Duckshirt" and "Graw Mad" are nicknames. "A round mound of gray fatness" and "a crazy man from another country" are not. Thoughts (before I begin pruning in a day or so)? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
: I see where you're coming from, but I'm kinda neutral. There's sort of a gray area where things could be nicknames or could not - see [[big white face]] for some examples (on SB's computer). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'm with you there. One could call one's computer-based moniker for a person a "nickname" - in fact, we're doing it right now. That's why I said "spoken in almost every case". Can you suggest a clarification? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with you, Qermaq.  Descriptions like "yellow dog" is '''not''' a nickname, but Graw Mad definitely is.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm glad you agree, but can the boundaries be refined any? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, started going nuts. I eliminated any entries that were clerarly against the above<s>, plus I assumed a nickname would be used as a proper noun (which i should have included above) so those are out too</s>. I was a bit conservative, I think. Before I continue, feel free to present arguments. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me further add: some deleted pseudo-nicknames might be notable but not as nicknames. Some are purely descriptions, some are "labels" never spoken as nicknames (like saving a pic of an enemy on your computer with the fileame "dumb idiot"), some are just mispronunciations of the name. At least one is arguably his real name. None of these can be considered "nicknames". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:What about "My dog(e)"? Are these nicknames? I think it'd be clearly a nickname if Homestar called someone "Dog". But "my dog"? Sounds to me like it's "simply a phrase one uses to refer to themself or others." Opinions? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


I've purged a lot of items based on their not being true nicknames. I feel I was liberal, take that into account; some remaining might not be worthy. This is a start though. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

From [http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=Nickname webster.com]:
<blockquote>Main Entry: '''nick·name'''<br />
Pronunciation: 'nik-"nAm<br />
Function: ''noun''<br />
Etymology: Middle English ''nekename'' additional name, alteration (resulting from misdivision of an ''ekename'') of ''ekename'', from ''eke'' eke, also + ''name'' name<br />
'''1 :''' a usually descriptive name given instead of or in addition to the one belonging to a person, place, or thing<br />
'''2 :''' a familiar form of a proper name (as of a person or a city)</blockquote>
--[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

== The Paper ==
can't remember the e-mail but i remember strong bad saying
"talk to the man with the green and white stripes"[[User:Foogs|Foogs.]] 01:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Well, we do [[google:"green+and+white+stripes"+site:hrwiki.org|have a wiki]], y'know. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

== my dog ==

I think that in Folky Tale, Bubs was refering to someone else when he was talking to homestar on the phone, so "my dog" isnt a nickname for homestar. He said something along the lines of "Yea, he was my dog too." That was reference to whoever Homestar did something too that made bubs believe he had to leave town. So, yea, 'mydog' isnt a nickname for homestar. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 01:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Listen more closely. He says "Yeah, you is my dog too." So it is. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow. So your right. Sorry bout that. Everyone just disregard that. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 01:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strongest Man In The World ==

*'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, if it isn't the big fat yellow blob and Pom Pom.
Could this possibly count as a nickname for Homestar?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Sounded good to me. I added it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Organization ==

Why is this page organized as it is rather than something that makes sense? What sense is there in organizing by type of toon? This becomes especially problematic if the nickname is used more than once... I would do by person and then alphabetically. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:I can't speak for a different organisation, but if you want to know about the current one, you should check [[#Splitting In Characters|this discussion]] for how the concensus came to its current format. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::that never really resolved what the sense make is in splitting by toon type, hence, i say we revisit it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Alphabetically seems to be [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Nicknames&oldid=157977 how it used to be done] before that discussion. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Scope: Narrow it down, or rename the page? ==

Okay, so this page seems to go beyond the scope of nicknames and into the realm of things that people have ever been called (including their [[aliases used in prank calls]]). a few examples in no particular order other than i scrolled down the page and picked out a few:
*Fox's father (Homestar, Date Nite)
*The old captain of the team (Homestar, Homestar Presents: Presents)
*Sugar-face (Homestar, Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2)
*Brother Strong Bad (Homestar, Ever and More!)
*Strong Body (Bubs, disconnected)
*Spicy Crispy Chicken Melt Johnson (Strong Bad, Strong Mad, Bubs, nightlife)
etc. so i ask, should this page have a major fact removal, or a rename? I don't care which, and would even be willing to sort this page if we decide on narrowing the scope. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:A nickname is "a descriptive name added to or replacing the actual name of a person, place, or thing". With that definition in mind, do you still think "Nicknames" doesn't fit the current scope? If "Nicknames" still fits, then we should leave it alone. Otherwise, the name should be changed to avoid having to remove content. "Nicknames and other things people get called" could probably be improved upon. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
::I still think it doesn't fit. Especially the aliases like sugar-face. And things like "[[Strong Body]]", because, well, that's what we actually call strong bad without his head. Thinks like this. Perhaps we could call the page something to the effect of "Nicknames, Aliases, and Other Replacements of Real Names" Only not that name either, cause it sucks. Maybe i'm overthinking this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Would "Nicknames and Aliases" cover it well enough? What would that leave out? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Halloween mix-up ==

I believe it was Strong Bad as Homestar for halloween who called Pom Pom, "My man, my dog, my ace in the hole"
[[User:PartyBrd20X6]]

You people were taking too long, I changed it myself.[[User:PartyBrd20X6]]
@@ Line 361: / Line 361: @@
 You people were taking too long, I changed it myself.[[User:PartyBrd20X6]]
-== I'm grawing madder. ==
-Should graw mad get his own page? It is just like [[dump]] and [[Stong Bad]]. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-== Nicknames? ''Really?'' ==
-I think this deserves a better title. When I think of the word "nickname," I think of something people constantly call each other. Most of the appearances on this page are one-time gags. Maybe rename it to "Names Characters Have Called Each Other?" Or maybe just "Names?" I don't know... {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:09 10 October, 2009 (UTC)
-:Ummm wow.I kinda drew a blank on this one. how 'bout "Other names for Characters".I don't know, but you've got a point.{{User:Wasd98/sig}} &mdash; 15:03 15 November, 2009 (UTC)
-==Cheat Commander==
-Wouldn't this be a name for Gunhaver from the Pistols for Pandas toon?--[[User:Topmonhit|Topmonhit]] 19:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
-== Cleanup tag ==
-So, I just added a cleanup tag.  My reasoning is basically this:  The things listed on the current page stretch the definition of "nickname" far beyond the acceptable limit, in my mind.  I know I'm not alone in this thinking, judging from threads by Defender and Michael just above.  They both raised similar concerns, but not much seems to have come of it.  Some of the discussion has been focused on changing the name of the page rather than cleaning up the content, but I'm not convinced that's the way to go.  The threshold of what's included on the page now seems far too loose and broad to be summed up in any tight page name, it seems to me.  I would suggest a page focus and content trimming. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.213|132.183.151.213]] 23:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-== Marshie? ==
-I think it's pretty obvious that Marshie has alot of nicknames,but they don't appear to be listed.I would make perfect sense if we added him to the "Minor Characters" section since he has so many nicknames. {{User:Wasd98/sig}}  &mdash; 14:56 15 November, 2009 (UTC)
-== Proposed cleanup plan ==
-Well, if we're ever going to get this cleaned up, we need a better definition of a nickname. I propose the following limitations:
-A nickname must:
-*If it is written, be either capitalized, in a context in which capitalization is not necessary (everything is lower case), or clearly a name ("dumpus").
-*Must be directed at someone by someone. ("hott type" is just some words on a shirt, and so does not count)
-It is not a nickname if:
-*It is referring to something or someone the Named is formally dressed as and/or playing the part of. (plays, Halloween, movies, etc.)
-*It is clearly referring to something that the Named *is*, whether actual or imagined. ("A real state trooper," "young whipper-snapper", etc.)
-*It is an unintentional misspelling of a proper name.
-*It refers to a representation of the Named (picture, robot, etc.), and not the Named himself. ("no-neck," "dacheese," etc.)
-*It is simply meant to be a descriptive phrase.
-*It is clearly an alternate proper name for the Named. ("Mr. Umpire," "Pixel Ghost," etc.)
-Furthermore, I would suggest that, under each character, there be 3 categories of nicknames:
-*Intentional ("Dairy Queen")
-*Unintentional ("Tubbs")
-*Self-given ("Homestar Bunmaker")
-Any thoughts?
-{{User:Branewashed/sig}} 12:05 6 June, 2010 (UTC)