Editing Talk:Let us give TANKS!

==Capitalization in title==
The page title is "Let Us Give TANKS!" but the Toons menu on H*R says "Let us give TANKS!" Is this for consistency, or should it be moved? - [[User:Dr. Clash|Dr. Clash]]
:I'm pretty sure it should be moved, for consistency with the H*R site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 02:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

==Lil Steiny?==
I thought Lil' Steiny was a reference to [[superhero name]]... --[[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 23:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:No, in an email, it's pronounced, "Stiny." [[User:The Valentine Bros.|The Valentine Bros.]]
::This is actually a double reference to [[Stiny]] and [[Wikipedia:Steinway & Sons|Steinway & Sons]]. It's not a particular reference to "superhero name" because Stiny was yelled at in more than one email (see Stiny's article). &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Though, now that I think about it, the only use of Li'l Stiny came from superhero names. A reword is possible. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I assumed it was a ref to [[Thy Dungeonman 3]], where Thy Dungeonman's mug was referred to as "Steiny". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::That's a similar joke, but it derives from a completely different kind of "stein", so it's not really a reference here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==About the "Gun-haver" thing==
Listen...everybody and their dog seems to think that "Gunhaver! You actually Have A GUN!" is a reference about Gunhaver's never really been seen with a gun...uh...HELLO? HIS FREAKIN NAME IS
'''"Gun"-"Haver"'''...DUH! {{User:Strong Devon/sig}}
:But he hasn't ever been SEEN with a gun, which is the irony. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::You forgot the "duh", BJ. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:Did you forget to take your I.Q. pills today? [[User:82.44.76.119|82.44.76.119]] 16:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== Fourth Wall? ==

"The Blue Laser Commander's comment about Reinforcements' camera pretends to break the Fourth Wall." While this may be partly true, the joke (to me) was the fact it explained that Gunhaver could see into the Thanksgiving dinner somehow. Many shows have villans/heroes that somehow bring up a location on a screen with no explanation as of how they are seeing it. [[User:76.212.89.130|76.212.89.130]] 04:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think you're right. In fact, TBC made mention of this joke several times on the DVD commentary for the other Cheat Commandos toons. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Real-world reference? ==

The "make a milkshake from this food" easter-egg is a reference to the "will it blend" video blog, which has shown how to make disgusting milkshakes such as "cochicken" (http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=cochicken) and most recently the "thanksgiving dinner" (http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=thanksgiving).
* Hah, I thought the exact same thing when I was watching it! --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 18:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
**blent marbles. yum. that is seriously funny. {{User:Csours/sig}} 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I put this in, and it was edited out, but I was only told to look at the talk page and/or history to explain why it should not be included, and I only see these comments here, which only seem positive. What gives? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:Here's the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Let_Us_Give_TANKS%21&diff=387248&oldid=387232 diff] I was looking for. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::So old people have no teeth. How often do people make jokes about running Thanksgiving dinner through a blender? Is this a common cultural phenomenon of which I am not aware?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 20:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Seriously. Tom of Blendtec mentions his toothless uncle as an excuse to blend things on multiple concoctions, though [http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=safe&video=mcmeal this] is the only seriously edible one, lacking any bones or packaging. Given the videos' recent high popularity, I think it's quite likely that the Brothers Chaps had them in mind, though by no means certain. Perhaps an eventual DVD commentary will shed some light on this. -[[User:AndromedaRoach|AndromedaRoach]] 06:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

== Lime ==

It says the goof is fixed. I just watched it, and it's not fixed. I updated the wiki, and it got reverted, saying that it is fixed. I just watched it again after that, and it's not fixed. I don't want to edit it again, because it will just get reverted. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 17:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
: Clear your cache. It was fixed very quickly, if indeed it was ever there at all (I never saw it). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::I've cleared my cache. It stays the same. Are you sure it's fixed? --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 21:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:::It's certainly fixed on my compy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::It ''is'' fixed. And I put a link to an unfixed version down in the external links. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::It's not fixed. Someone tell me how it could be fixed when the latest version on the site and HRWiki's mirror version give the same hash. {{User:Blendage/sig}} 10:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::It's fixed in both versions. Dot com accidentally mirrored the fixed toon. I'll take the link out until the correct one is mirrored. Dot com, if you haven't got the old version anymore, I've got it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8494/thelimehp3.png This frame] is still there. This is the only version of the toon I've seen, so the goof seemed to still be present. {{User:Blendage/sig}} 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::So it is... Frame 1703, for those who don't know where to look. After you being so insistent, I finally stepped through it frame by frame instead of just dragging the seekbar, and there it was. Identical to the version I downloaded within about 30 minutes of the first mention of the toon at the wiki. Embarrassing. How did we suddenly not see it anymore? Anyways, sorry guys! ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Is step-by-step possible with the Greasemonkey script? I had to take pot luck with Pause for the above screenshot. {{User:Blendage/sig}} 12:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::The vaguely arrow-looking buttons next to the seek bar ("|<" and ">|") step through frame by frame. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Is it possible that TBC just changed the Flash file so that it just skips that frame on an ordinary play-through?  Because when watching the toon from beginning to end, I do not see that frame, but when I go frame by frame or rewind to that scene and watch it alone, I ''do'' see that frame. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, I just watched it without touching the seekbar, and it's still there.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 16:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Loafing, I have it on [[:Image:NoGoof.PNG|frame 1703]] in FireFox. In the version on the site, Crackotage's arm is still raised. I also looked at Dot com's yesterday, and Crackotage lowered his arm. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::PS. And I don't see it when just watching the toon straight either. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Just cleared my cache and checked again, and the arm ''definitely'' lowers. Crazy thought: Maybe TBC thought that Crackotage's arm ''should'' have lowered and changed the toon to make this the case? {{User:Blendage/sig}} 18:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Jay, of course I had cleared my cache when I went through all those steps last night. And now I've cleared my cache again (and waited for about a minute until the toon was downloaded again), and the goof is still there. It's possible that we use a different version of the seekbar, giving us different frame numbers. Have stepped through it to see if the bug occurs in a different frame in the vincinity of 1703?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes - frame 1704 is of the Blue Laser Commander. I've also checked this in two different browsers (one of which does not have the seek bar.) And, as I said, I tested Dot com's version, where the arm DOES lower. This Goof is fixed. That's all I can see. Look, to get by Blendage's theory, I'll clear MY OWN cache and tell you what happens. UPDATE: Exactly what I expected. Nothing happened. Still fixed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Teh weird!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::First of all, it's Tom's file, not mine. All I did was post the link. Second, I loaded both the official H*R version and the mirror on this computer (which hasn't been online since last weekend) and cued them both to frame 1703 in separate tabs. The H*R version has the arm supporting the lime; in the mirror version, the lime is floating. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Well, it's now miraculously fixed for me as well. Even though I did clear my cache Xty times before and the bug was still there. Maybe I should get some third-party "cache-ex" or something :-/{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::I think Flash might maintain its own memory cache... sometimes you have to clear the cache and then restart the browser for stuff to update. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::I'm wondering if it could be being cached somewhere upstream of any given user's local machine, like at the ISP; that would explain how computers that had never loaded it could still see an old version. I decompiled the H*R version and the mirror version. Besides being different file sizes with different numbers of shapes, the difference between 1702 and 1703 in the mirror is ''three'' shapes (the mouth, the arm, and the candle flame), but in the H*R version it's just ''two'' (the mouth and the candle flame). I've loaded it in at least three browsers and have gotten the same result every time; I'm therefore re-updating the page to fixed. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::Wow, this has gone pretty far. Anyway, I'm still seeing the arm descend in frame 1703 even after clearing cache and everything. How long does it take between re-caching of their servers? Maybe they have multiple servers and didn't update all of them. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Bringing this discussion back to the left side of the page, I've checked it on Firefox, IE and Netscape and all the 1703rd frames come up with the fixed version. I rechecked it and got the same. The only frames where the lime floats are 1680-1684 (when he throws it up). --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:If anyone ''really'' wants to find out what's going on here, then a few people should compare the SWFs they receive at the binary level. Me, I've had enough. ;) {{User:Blendage/sig}} 23:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::I've already done that. The two versions are different. A more useful comparison is of the decompiled Flash files, which I've also already done. See above. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
It's clear to me that this goof was fixed, but not well, and will still appear in certain situations. Anyone for changing the header to "Half-Fixed Goofs"? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on the official site.  Even without using a seekbar, which I did shortly after, I could see his arm lower and the lime float.  I have cleared my cache numerous times since the toon was released, so I'm with Loafing on this.

== X-Men reference ==

blue laser commander calling Gunhaver Charles reminded me of the X Men series, ei, Professor X's name is Charles Xavier, and Magneto calls him that instead of Professor X. But im not sure how to say that succinctly for a fun fact.{{User:Csours/sig}} 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:I can sum it up in one word for you: coincidence. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::um, let me lay it out for you: bad guy calls good guy by his first name. does anyone know of any other good guy named Charles, besides Charles Xavier that would be called by his first name by a bad guy?{{User:Csours/sig}} 22:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I get the connection. Maybe a DVD commentary will prove you right someday. But for now, we can't put a fun fact up based on that kind of conjecture. There's just not enough to go on to justify the speculation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::::meh. but its MY conjecture. {{User:Csours/sig}} 18:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

==Crackotage Goof on IE==

On IE, the scene cuts right as Crackotage moves his arm the second time, so it looks more like a cut before the lime falls. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 21:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:What do you mean, on IE? Are yu saying they're delivering different content to IE users than to Firefox or Opera users? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::As part of a clearly pointless effort to get to the bottom of this, I found the "lime goof" occurs in both IE and Firefox. I have absolutely no idea what causes some people to get a different frame 1703. It's like a curse!<br />(edit) After seeing the latest version of the page, have we decided that that's what happened? {{User:Blendage/sig}} 00:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Green Helmets ==

I believe the word that the person who put the reference in is looking for is "Cannon Fodder".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 10:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

==Reference?== 

In the Easter Egg with Reynold's brother, it has the "Next Gen" Gamepad. Could this be a reference to the Next Generation video game console battle between the PS3,The Nintendo Wii, and the XBOX 360? [[User:Catman87]] 20:21, 25 November 2006
:Yes, that's already mentioned. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

'm srry [[User:Catman87]] 20:30, 25 November 2006

== enlighten me please ==

I have been troubled by the use of the word "kindergoth" in the article since the term isn't used in the toon and I can't find it in wikipedia.  My question is this: how widespread is this term?  I saw something about a character from Southpark but that is it.  If kindergoth is a real term, please provide a link that defines it, or else we need to replace it with a more meaningful term. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure about that either.  The term is now linked to something gives it some context, though the pedia article it cites is uncited.  I'm further troubled by the statement of parody.  (I admit I am not familiar with "emo", but I am quite familiar with punk music, and I don't see any intent to satarize that music). {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 09:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::It depends on what you mean by "widespread"--in goth culture, the term "kindergoth" is very widespread. It basically refers to someone who is a "poseur" goth and gets their clothes from Hot Topic and listens to pop punk music (many people refer to this music as "emo", which is a bit deceptive as emo is also another  type of punk that comes from the 80's and does not really resemble what people think of when they think of current "emo" music.) There is a link to it in the article (under the title "masonite.") While I realize that using a slang term is problematic as where it starts and ends is vague, I think that it's still perfectly appropriate to use a widespread piece of goth lingo in a Homestar runner article, since HR is rife with references to popular culture and lingo. It is true that Reynaldo's younger brother is not specifically refered to as a "kindergoth", but the fact that he is born in the 90s (making him no older than 17), listens to popular alternative music instead of older metal bands like Bauhaus, and is an avid fan of video games, makes him fit the mold of a "kindergoth" or a spooky kid more than a "classic" goth, which is about a generation older (Generation Xish to early Gen Y), listens to hard metal music, and stereotypically attends clubs.--[[User:Sailor titan|Sailor titan]] 18:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== Oxy Clean/Oxi ==

Note that the Reynold's Brother package says "Oxy Clean!" I believe this is a reference to Oxi, a brand name for an acne removal cream from around 2000.  I could only find a disambiguation page for it on Wikipedia, but it makes perfect sense, given Reynold's Brother's clear need of some kind of facial cleanser...ick.  (Does this sound like product placement?  I can't help but feel that it does, but the company's out of business, I believe, so it can't really hurt.) --Dragoon5464 (forgot my password again) [[User:4.244.213.23|4.244.213.23]] 08:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Almost definitely, but it was spelt Oxy. {{User:Blendage/sig}} 22:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::OXy Clean is an actual product. Why say it refers to something else?[[User:Geshmalderborgen|גשמלדרברגן]] 21:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Because Oxy Clean is a stain removal product, as opposed to an acne treatment product like Oxi. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== A first time for everything! ==

This toon has a lot of firsts, doesn't it? [[User:Das654|Das654]] 08:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, but considering that it's only the sixth installment, it's not very noticeable. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::<s>What?</s> Never mind, I get it now. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|<span style="color: #800080;">''Brightstar Shiner''</span>]] 22:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

On that note, I do not understand why my fun fact relating to this toon being the first appearance of the cheat commandos in a holiday toon was removed (unanimously, no less!) The only argument given was that "It's notable, but not in the article."
All I am asking for is a good explanation. -The Big Eye
:A good "first" fact is one when something happens that contradicts a long-established pattern, or where something extraordinary happens for the first time. This doesn't meet either of those criteria. First of all, as mentioned above, there really aren't that many episodes, so there isn't much of an established pattern for this toon to contradict. Second, the fact that this is a holiday toon is not notable because it's really not out of the ordinary for these guys. The Cheat Commandos/Blue Laser have been shown going to the supermarket, cooking hamburgers, ordering pizza, watching videos, going to school, cleaning the grout in the bathroom&mdash;in other words, doing the things that most people do. It's only natural, then, that they would celebrate Thanksgiving. (I think it would be ''more'' notable if there were a full-length toon on the website featuring the main Commandos characters and Blue Laser actually fighting a real battle.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::And that wasn't the only arguement, by the way. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 17:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, it wasn't an argument at all, but rather a comment. The [[HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/Let Us Give TANKS!#A holiday classic!|only argument]] was that it wasn't notable at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Point taken. Still, I think that you're taking this a little too seriously. -The Big Eye P.S. Whether an argument or a comment, it still doesn't make sense; where should it be noted, if not in the article?
:::::Nowhere, like I said. Hope that helps. :) Also, to sign your name on talk pages, just type four tildes, like this: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>, and the system will automatically put your name and a timestamp, like this: [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, and thanks for clarifying. I'm still not so sure about that one, but I guess I'll forget about it.
[[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 23:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Another Orphan? Or a Coincidence? ==

In the Short Toon "No Hands on Deck!" Coach Z imitates an orphan in an attempt to be in Homestar's hypothetical musical.  Although the orphan in this toon is a reference to "Oliver Twist," is it not possible that there is a connection?

It's not impossible... after all, they are wearing the same hat. -The Big Eye

:Nah, I don't think so. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Say WHAT?! ==

In the toon, <s>ripburger</s> Fightgar says he's thankful for "sayin' right, right, right, right", but after looking through his filmography I can't see that he ever did. Are we just supposed to take his word at that or am I missing some reference? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:Do you mean Fightgar? I always thought he was saying "Say it right right right", and that he'd mispronounced ambrosia salad in some way. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Oops, you're right. FIX'D! {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 05:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Fightgar is thankful for saying right right right right right. I can think of one time he said that. [[Shopping For Danger]]: after Gunhaver says, "you better break yourself!" &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I just watched Shopping For Danger, and I didn't hear him say it at all. I just heard him laughing after Gunhaver said that line.
:::I kinda hear it. It does sound like him saying "right, right, right, right, right..." Still, I don't think that is the only reference. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 05:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I hear "right right..." in SFD. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

==The Enigmatic "Charles"==

It seems odd to me that there be no mention in this article of the fact that BLC addressed Gunhaver as "Charles" in the toon &mdash; but I have no idea what exactly ''should'' be mentioned &mdash; as it is a seemingly random utterance and there is no concrete explanation.  It's certainly become a surprisingly contentious remark from BLC (both references to it STUFF'd and declined).  Gunhaver's page still does mention it, but again, it seems odd to me that this article leaves out any mention of enigmatic address, as this is the toon in which it happened.  It seems appropriate to me that the article acknowledge that BLC addressed Gunhaver as Charles in some way, even though we have no idea why. {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, Charles is usually just a formal name. Probably just the Chapmans just wanting to say that. I have seen many accorances of this. Many toons use this usually to be funny.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 05:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::Bryanc: See, that's the problem. "Blue Laser Commander addressed Gunhaver as Charles, although we have no idea why" would definitely be a fact, but it gives no useful information, and anyone reading the transcript or watching the toon would already know this. Not to worry, though, as it is (or will be) touched on at least four times on this talk page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, it has been theorized before that it's a reference to Charles Xavier (from the X-men). Magneto always calls him Charles, and both the Professor and Magneto often do stuff together in the movies (though this mostly is just them playing chess). It's a bit tenuous, but I agree with it. His name, after all, is certainly Gunhaver. Who, as it turns out, actually does have a gun. [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 14:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::I personally believe that similiarity worthy of mention in the article.  However it was STUFF'd and declined over Thanksgiving weekend.  (I was out of town, but looking at the votes my one vote wouldn't have swung it anyway). {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 15:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
==Cream (not the band)==
I've never seen an Ambrosia Salad recipie with just whipped cream in it, it's always been some sort of "frozen whipped topping" . . . so while I don't want to go the Cool Whip route, I feel a reword is in order. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld&#39;s Teh C]] 02:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:Check the [[Wikipedia:Ambrosia (fruit salad)|Wikipedia article]] for two recipes using whipped cream, one allowing "whipped topping" as an alternate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== Next-Gen Gamepad? ==

I added a note to the Gamepad RWR stating that it most closely resembled the SNES gamepad, and I see that the note was removed ("And the D-pad and buttons have never been used on another console").  So here I am opening this up to discussion.

The gamepad in the Easter egg has two shoulder buttons, a D-pad, and two face buttons on the right.  The only other system (next-gen or not) that has this layout is the GameBoy Advance, and that's not really a gamepad.  The next-closest gamepad that people are likely to recognize is the SNES gamepad, with its overall shape being the same, including the prominent shoulder buttons.  Key differences are that the RWR gamepad does not have Start and Select buttons, and the SNES gamepad has four buttons instead of two.  (The SNES pad's buttons are also not multi-colored.)  However, the differences between an actual SNES controller and the RWR pad are not nearly as prominent as the differences between the RWR pad and the controllers for ANY system that has come out since the SNES:

* Sega Genesis Gamepad: Looks nothing like the RWR gamepad.
* Sega Dreamcast Controller: Much bulkier, very dissimilar layout.
* PlayStation Original Controller: Next-closest match, but overall shape is more "industrial" and less flat.
* PS1 Analog Controller: Has joysticks.
* PS2 DualShock: Has joysticks, is black.
* PS3 Sixaxis: Looks just like the PS2 DualShock, is also black, and does not have a cord.
* Xbox Controller: Much more massive and black, only real similarity is the colored buttons.
* Xbox 360 Controller: Aside from being white, has the same differences as the Xbox controller.
* Nintendo 64 Controller: Looks nothing like the RWR gamepad.
* Nintendo GameCube Controller: Also looks nothing like it.
* Nintendo Wii Remote: Even less similarity.  Only current-gen controller that doesn't have a joystick (tho the nunchuk attachment does).
* Portable systems: Let's not even go there.  The RWR gamepad is obviously not a whole portable system.

So, despite it being a "next-gen controller", I think it's worth noting that it LOOKS like a SNES controller.  And remember, a "child of the '90s" of the approximate portrayed age of Reynold's Brother would have grown up with a SNES still prominently in the market around that time.  At the time, SNES and Genesis were considered "next-gen" systems, so IMO there are a lot of good arguments for mentioning the SNES in this article. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:I immediately thought of the SNES controller when I saw the toon, both because of the way it looks and the "next-gen" thing.  Admittedly, "next-gen" could refer either to the current new generation of systems or the advancement of the SNES from the NES.  I can see how people would disagree with our point of view though, since it's not ''exactly'' like the SNES pad. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

::I'm thinking this one deserves a STUFF. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 02:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffclosedaccept}}

=== Next-Generation STUFF ===
{{stufffact|In the toy Easter egg, The "Next Gen Gamepad" on the box for Reynold's Brother most closely resembles that of the [[Wikipedia:Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Super NES]], which was considered a next-generation console in the early 1990s.  Coincidentally, two [[Wikipedia:History of video game consoles (seventh generation)|new game consoles]], the [[Wikipedia:PlayStation 3|PlayStation 3]] and the [[Wikipedia:Nintendo Wii|Nintendo Wii]], were released just a few days before this toon.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)|15:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)|accepted|10|1|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== Silent Ripberger ===
{{stufffact|This is the first time Ripberger is heard speaking.}}
{{stuffverdict|05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|16:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)|declined|16|10|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== It's that guy! That has that gun! ===
{{stufffact|The Blue Laser Commander exclaims, "Gunhaver! You actually have a gun!" Indeed, in spite of his name, this is the first time Gunhaver is actually seen holding a gun. However, his gun appeared in [[Shopping for Danger]], though Blue Laser Commander never saw it.}}
{{stuffverdict|05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|16:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)|declined|17|7|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== Civvies ===
{{stufffact|This is the first Cheat Commandos cartoon to feature civilian characters besides Reynold.}}
{{stuffverdict|05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|00:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|13|1|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== First first name ===
{{stufffact|This is the first time that we have heard another name of a Cheat Commando. (Blue Laser says "Play us a song, won't you, Charles?" to Gunhaver.)}}
{{stuffverdict|05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|00:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)|unanimously declined|13|0|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== A holiday classic! ===
{{stufffact|This is the first time the Cheat Commandos are featured in a holiday toon.}}
{{stuffverdict|05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|18:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)|swiftly and unanimously declined|13|0|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

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=== X-haver ===
{{stufffact|The arch-nemesis-as-friend relationship indicated by Blue Laser Commander's address of Gunhaver as "Charles" alludes to the relationship between [[Wikipedia:Magneto (comics)|Magneto]] and [[Wikipedia:Professor X|Charles Xavier]] of the [[Wikipedia:X-Men|X-Men]] series.}}
{{stuffverdict|04:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)|22:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)|swiftly and overwhelmingly declined|13|1|Let Us Give TANKS!}}

== Coincidence? ==
*''Oliver Smidgen is an allusion to the title character of Oliver Twist.''
**''Also, the immediate succeeding of Oliver Smidgen's appearance after the revealing of Gunhaver's apparent first name — "Charles" — may be a tribute to the author of the novel, Charles Dickens.'' 

The first time the second part of this fun fact came about, I too immediately got rid of it. (See [[User talk:4kai2lyn6#Aw wight...|here]] for annoying-type ramblings by yours truly). But upon further contemplatin, it seems purty reasonable to me. Any takers? (I could live without it, but I figured it deserved a chance for debate). {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 04:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC) <small>(so tired)</small>
:Nice try, but it really seems like a stretch to me. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Capitalization in title==
 The page title is "Let Us Give TANKS!" but the Toons menu on H*R says "Let us give TANKS!" Is this for consistency, or should it be moved? - [[User:Dr. Clash|Dr. Clash]]
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 ::I've already done that. The two versions are different. A more useful comparison is of the decompiled Flash files, which I've also already done. See above. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 It's clear to me that this goof was fixed, but not well, and will still appear in certain situations. Anyone for changing the header to "Half-Fixed Goofs"? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
-:::I just watched it on the official site.  Even without using a seekbar, which I did shortly after, I could see his arm lower and the lime float.  I have cleared my cache numerous times since the toon was released, so I'm with Loafing on this.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
+:::I just watched it on the official site.  Even without using a seekbar, which I did shortly after, I could see his arm lower and the lime float.  I have cleared my cache numerous times since the toon was released, so I'm with Loafing on this.
-::::It used to be not fixed with me as well, until I RESTARTED MY BROWSER.  It should work after.  --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 21:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
-:::::I even downloaded the flash file the wiki links to and the goof isn't fixed in that, either.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
-:Why hasn't this changed yet? I'm STILL seeing the lime float in mid-air. It should NOT be under "Fixed Goofs" {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
-:I just watched this toon in firefox and ie and had a floating lime on that frame in both browsers. i like defender's idea to change it to "Half-fixed goofs." {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 05:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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 :Do you mean Fightgar? I always thought he was saying "Say it right right right", and that he'd mispronounced ambrosia salad in some way. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 ::Oops, you're right. FIX'D! {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 05:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
-::Fightgar is thankful for saying right right right right right. I can think of one time he said that. [[Shopping for Danger]]: after Gunhaver says, "you better break yourself!" &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
+::Fightgar is thankful for saying right right right right right. I can think of one time he said that. [[Shopping For Danger]]: after Gunhaver says, "you better break yourself!" &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 :::I just watched Shopping For Danger, and I didn't hear him say it at all. I just heard him laughing after Gunhaver said that line.
 :::I kinda hear it. It does sound like him saying "right, right, right, right, right..." Still, I don't think that is the only reference. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 05:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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 The first time the second part of this fun fact came about, I too immediately got rid of it. (See [[User talk:4kai2lyn6#Aw wight...|here]] for annoying-type ramblings by yours truly). But upon further contemplatin, it seems purty reasonable to me. Any takers? (I could live without it, but I figured it deserved a chance for debate). {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 04:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC) <small>(so tired)</small>
 :Nice try, but it really seems like a stretch to me. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
-== Shock waves ==
-An interesting note about real-life physics, though one can hardly expect TBC to incorporate the finer subtleties of shock waves into their toons. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
-<blockquote>Reynold's parents' window breaks, correctly, a short time after the Blue Laser Cottage can be seen blowing up. The noise of the explosion, however, is not delayed at all.  Since [[Wikipedia:Shock wave|shock waves]] from nuclear blasts travel faster than the speed of sound, one would expect to see the glass break ''before'' hearing the sound of the explosion.</blockquote>
-== Nuclear explosion?? ==
-Putting a warhead in an oven would not necessarily cause an explosion to occur. Nuclear materials explode when they start either fusion or fission in a chain reaction at critical mass. Should this be mentioned. Also, wouldn't this mean the end of the Cheat Commandos canon since everyone but Reynold was vaporized in the explosion?? I don't consider Rap Song canon since it's an ad.
-:[[FAQ|It was either done on purpose or it's just a cartoon and you probably shouldn't worry about it.]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
-::But whu' bou' the canon issue??