Editing Talk:Halloween Potion-ma-jig

==Odd beeping noise==

Did anyone else notice kind of a high pitch squeaky noises at various parts inbetween the sections?

== Location, location, location! ==

In Majora's Mask, there was a sidequest involving four deku scrubs in various locations.  You needed to get the title deeds and trade with them.  I can't remember but it is possible they used the phrase in all this.  Makes sense considering the Tingle costume.  --[[User:Bacon warrior|Bacon warrior]] 20:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:They didn't [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

:: The phrase has not only been used in contexts that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Legend of Zelda, but the sidequest in question did not involve Tingle in any way (in spite of the fact that it was in Tingle's first game). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==A couple of transcript points==

Sounds to me more like Bubs says MAYBE you got a witch's brew goin'. Also, it sounds more like Marzipan says Homestar [[Wikipedia:Michael Winner|Michael Winner]], but that's just silly :P Also also, does Coach Z's comment on mailmen make any sense to anybody?

:The relevance of "baby" is described in Fun Facts. Coach Z's comment was an unexpected twist to the conversation he seemed to be having with Pom Pom - up until the word "mailmen" it sounded more like they were talking about women (IMHO). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

::I thought he said "male men" the first time, but that doesn't really make much sense either. By the way, having listened to that clip quite a few times through halfdecent headphones, I still say Bubs says MAYBE, even if it is a reference...

:::Maybe Marzipan was talking 'bout [[Homeschool Winner|This Micheal]]. It sounds like it to me.--[[User:68.239.117.11|68.239.117.11]] 12:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Somebody noted the following in an abortive Real-World Reference:
*[[Wikipedia:Michael_Winner|Michael Winner]] is a British movie director who directed the first [[Wikipedia:Death Wish|Death Wish]] movie, among others. He celebrated his 70th birthday two days before this cartoon aired.

::::The use of "Michael" here as Homestar's nickname, to those familiar with the above director, might suggest a leap to "Winner," thus Homeschool Winner. In an even trickier twist, the words immediately preceding are "you '''win'''!" All this is pure conjecture, of course, and shouldn't be included in the article, but I find the possibility intriguing. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Now that IS scary==
Holy freaking cow. No wonder it was taking them such a long time. This is gonna be a nightmare (in a good way) to wiki, what with the Inside Ref.s and the Real World Ref.s and the like... &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Quick, find whoever did [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]'s transcript and let them have a go here... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:P.S. May I also not say that I am not, in any way, mean. --[[User:DorianGray|My real name is Sean]]
::That was [[User:Krem|Krem]]. Yes, I actually bothered to go to the old wiki, look it up (which was really easy since the credit is given at the bottom of the page), and then checked that user name against the current user list here. 'Twas the same person. (Of course it helped that right there on his/her current user page it says: <i>"I did about 2/3 of the transcript for The House that Gave Sucky Treats"</i>.) Wow, I can't believe I actually did that. Just goes to show you just how fried my brain is at 1:47 in the morning. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

my real name is sean too! doriangray-[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 22:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming none of us are mean. If we were, we'd be trolls. [[User:ACupOfCoffee|Also named Sean]]

== Homestar's transformations ==
I've figured out that what Homestar turns into at the very end depends on what "essence" you get from Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat. "Essence of Doo-Doo Meringue" results in Tofu Homestar, "Essence of Strong Mad's Finger Dipped in a Glass of Warm Water" (or however it went) gives you a Marzipan with really bad teeth and a weird voice, and "Essence of Gullibility" leads to classy French Homestar. Someone might want to double check this just to make sure, though -- I only went through it 4 times.

:Yeah, that is a bit off.  I got Essence of Strong Mad Prank and it resulted in Tofu Homestar. [[User:Azure Haights|Azure Haights]] 06:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I don't think that's it. I went through once with each item, and got [[The Goblin]], Tofu Homestar, and a cyclops Homestar. I bet a decompiler will help this one. Maybe. I dunno exactly what they do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Essence of DooDoo got me the goblin, and SM prank got me One eye Homestar, so that theory is out. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 06:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::What the?? I got Tofu Homestar each of my 3 times. I guess this thing has more potential than I thought! (Maybe it has to do with how you combine the choices? I picked the same number each time&mdash;i.e. AAA, BBB, CCC, etc. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::: 3^5=243 combinations.  Let's divide and conquer!
::::If anyone knows how those online quizzes work, I bet it's like that. I've always wondered how they worked... Random answers match you to the perfect character. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Ghost(1), Herbs+Spices, DooDoo Merigne(1),1,3 = Marzipan Clone w/ bad teeth
::::::Wait, guys, if we're really going to do this, let's make a table. And use numbers (1-3), as above. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::All I know is that this sure sounds like something [[Jonathan Howe]] would be behind.  Have fun figuring it out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Right. This could be a complicated table... I'm-a try it on paper first. Y'know, list all the combinations: 11111, 11112, etc. You guys start the table. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::It seems as though the result is dependent on the sum of the choices.  A sum divisible by 5 results in tofu homestar, 12 (and presumably 7) results in french homestar, and 11 (and presumably 6) results in cyclops homestar.  I have personally tested 2,2,2,2,3 (cyclops homestar), and used the information provided by other users for this conclusion.
I'm going to sleep have fun. --[[User:24.21.231.89|24.21.231.89]] 07:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:hehe, one more, I did 1,1,1,1,3 again (my 2nd time) and got French Homstar this time, I'm wondering if they are all random? something to check into.  Night--[[User:24.21.231.89|24.21.231.89]] 07:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Tally up another French Homestar for 1,1,1,1,3.  I was trying to go through all the transformations and got him with that combination.  I hope there are a few super-secret combinations to try.  Also, this may not be the place to say it, but I love this cartoon.  I was worried TBC were making it at the last minute but regardless, they've done an excellent job.  Top notch!  Good prize!  Great jorb! --[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 11:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

=== The Table ===

''{table removed}''

Um, do we need this list? It sure is taking up a lot of room. Has the mathematical threory been proven? If so, doesn't that render this list obsolete? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Seriously! Someone who knows what's what please confirm, cause at the moment it's... pretendous. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Well, [[User:Gus]] has transcribed the list by character to his talk page. I think it can be removed from here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I think a better way is to arrange the effects by their supposed outcome based on the formula on tha main page, and see if that works. I've already done that on my talk page; if we want to copy it in here, by all means, do. [[User:Gus|Gus]] 19:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC) EDIT: Oh wow, DorianGray, you're fast. [[User:Gus|Gus]] 19:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but that table was just too long. I have removed it and replaced it with the section below. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

=== The Code ===
This is the code for the ending:
<pre>function showEnding () {
    var _local3 = 0
    for ( var _local2 = 0; _local2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS; _local2++){
        _local3 = (_local3) + answers[_local2]
        }
    _local3 = (_local3) % 5
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_local3) + 1)
    }</pre>

The program reads through an array of <code>answers[]</code> and adds them into a variable called <code>_local3</code>. It then divides that figure by 5 and takes the remainder. It adds 1 to the result and plays the frames that correspond to the following labels:
<pre>end1: tofu
end2: eyeball
end3: Frenchman
end4: grodelated Marzipan
end5: the Goblin</pre>
So the mathematical theory is correct. By the way, the code just says "end1", "end2", etc. The descriptions listed there are just what I called them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

For some reason I get something different:
<pre>function showEnding()
{
    var _l3 = 0;
    var _l2 = 0;
    while (_l2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS)
    {
        _l3 = _l3 + answers[_l2];
        ++_l2;
    } // end while
    _l3 = _l3 % 5;
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_l3 + 1));
} // End of the function</pre>
Using Sothink SWF Decompiler 2005b. Must be something in the ActionScript that was extracted.--[[User:68.215.67.181|68.215.67.181]] 00:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I only know a little about ActionScript, but my guess is that the difference lies in the way that the programs reverse-engineer (as well as interpret) the ActionScript, which is supposed to be a type of Machine-like language.  Less sophisticated programs may not be able to extract all of the original information and produce code that's closer to the original.  However both functions, in fact, produce exactly the same code! (''for'' loops are nothing more than glorified ''while'' loops) Hope that helps.  ''On another note:'' [[Talk:Halloween_Potion-ma-jig#Order_of_transformations|Tofu IS first!]] I was right! hehe Oh, wait, It's Dot com already pointed that out. Nevermind, just call me captain obvious.  Thanks, <s>'tis</s> Dot com! (How does that sound, too over the edge? Shall I stick to It's or just <s>plain old, vanilla old, flavored old,</s> Dot com . . . ?)--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Whoa, now hold on there... ''Dot com'' is not vanilla. It's dot com is my long name, the name I use to sign with. My official name. Dot com is my familiar name, the one I like to be addressed by in conversation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I stand corrected. It is not vanilla, for you are anything but. That is twue! I shall make note of that in future posts! Now I must get sleep.  My bed beckons me forth. Good night all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Transformations theory... ==

As someone who's done a little basic programming, I know one of the EASIEST ways TBC might have made this system work.  Each option you select has a value attached to it, either 1, 2, or 3.  When you select it, it gets added to a total value, at the end, your total value decides the transformation.  This means that each set of choices probably has one 1-point option, one 2-point option, and one 3-point option.  This is supported by the fact that some of the encounters seem to have a "best" choice, such as doing a dance for Bubs or getting the Ghost Water (outlined in the ingredients) from Coach Z.  Chances are there's a special transformation if you get all the 3-point answers.  Just a theory.  [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 07:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Halloween Costumes==
Someone put up the halloween costume list in the fun facts. I removed it, because that belongs in the halloween costumes article. -- [[user:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]]

Also, i noticed that someone put costume defenitions in the outside references. do these belong here, or should we keep them on the halloween costumes page? -- The Same Guy as the Last Thing
==Homestar Variations==
Should we plan on making seperate stub articles for French Homestar, One eyeball Homestar, and Freaky Marzipan? or should we wait and see if they ever reappear? -- [[user:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]]
:Prob just wait to see if they reappear -[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== Order of transformations  ==

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=187936&oldid=187935 True]! I wouldn't mind numbering them 0-4 myself.  It just bothers me a little, listing 1 as the first one, knowing that programmatically, 0 is really first (in terms of ordering).  Oh, the bane that is modular arithmetic.  Yes, I am being pedantic. :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: Whatever works. 1-5 is easier to read for the average person who doesn't care about calculating which ending they're gonna get. 0-4 works better with the Trivia fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I concur! (My eye's still twitching a little but I can live with that ;) )--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::1-5 is best, because that's what they're called in the code. As you can see from the function above, the program adds 1 to the result to get the ending scene. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Bucket O' Chicken ==

I noticed the Bucket of chicken dealy, and do remember seeing it somewhere.  However I am having a hard time finding it on the [[theme park]] page, much less any mention of Knf'nC, or chicken, or King of town and chicken, or any such combination. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: That was a mistake on my part, and I already fixed it. Sorry for the trouble. (It was in [[monster truck]], BTW.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::No problem! I found the related info and it's all looking G-O-O-O-..-O-O-..-O-D goood! Great job all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Are the Bros. Chaps getting racier with their toons?  KnF'nC seems like a prety direct reference to 'F***in' and Homestar sing about 'getting lucky tonight' - what about the kids? -- Steve-o 11/1/05
: Uh, I'd say it's more a pretty direct reference to the fact that 'n' can be used as a contraction for "and": "K and F and C", giving us the familiar letters in a non-registered-servicemark-infringing form. As for a reference to "getting lucky"... if kids understand what that means before they "should", that's on their parents. That's the whole point of a euphemism... it can be used in mixed company. Besides, who are we to say what "getting lucky" means in Homestar's head? All in all, I'd worry about where your mind is going and let TBC worry about theirs... [[User:Awkwardconversationalist|Awkwardconversationalist]] 21:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:: Personally, I'd be more concerned about the "Essence of Putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep". - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Via the [[monster truck]] article:
::<blockquote>The chicken bucket that says "KnF'nC" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Guns N' Roses|Guns N' Roses]], who used the acronym "GnF'nR" during the [[Wikipedia:Use Your Illusion I|Use Your Illusion]] era. The latest incarnation of the band contains guitarist [[Wikipedia:Buckethead|Buckethead]], who wears a [[Wikipedia:KFC|KFC]] bucket on his head like a hat.</blockquote>
:::We know this because it's mentioned directly in the DVD commentary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::About that "Essence of putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep", I read somewhere that people do that to others during sleepovers to make them go to the bathroom while they're asleep. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember. --{{User:RJMT/sig}} 01:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Terlet Brush? ==

I think that "Terlet Brush" is a reference to A Folky Tale. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

how?--[[User:Benol|Coach B]] 12:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

When Coach Z says that Saddy Dumpington sounds kinda like a Terlet. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:"Terlet" is from the last Halloween toon. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The word 'terlet' is just an 'accented' way of saying toilet. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

==Original list==
How was the original list determined?  I've looked at the bug and duck obscured list that homestar is carrying, and I have a hard time buying the supposed original items.  the frist letter of what should be "Ghost" according to this list has a flat top.--sarducci
: Consider the font used. It ''is'' "Ghost-Water". Which, by the way, is the only item on the original list that can actually be obtained (if we assume that the JP3 spoon isn't made of wood.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: Also, if you get Ghost-Water in the actual 'toon, look at how it's written on the scorecard, which uses the exact same font. It's a flat-topped capital G. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I used a Flash decompiler when I transcribed the original list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Jellybeans==

Reagan's predilection for jellybeans was not legendary.  See the New York Times, January 15, 1981, [http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0B17FA3F5F0C768DDDA80894D9484D81 "Halcyon Era for the Jellybean."]

:I think you're confusing definitions of "legendary."  When one says:  Reagan's prediliction for jellybeans was legendary, one means that it is "well known and worth telling stories about," not "mythical."  Like one might say, "legendary" singer-songwriter Bob Dylan and not mean he's a yeti or something.

::Undeniable!  But the version I was responding to read "at least according to legend." [[User:Minivet|Minivet]] 02:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== 4th wall breaking? ==

Umm, when Homestar says "Oh, great. The secret guy" is he breaking the 4th wall? I belive we should add that somewhere. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:Hmm... perhaps you should check out [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], where it has already been added. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Opening scenario a reference? ==

Can any of the gamer-types tell me whether the opening "I'm lost in this haunted mansion and I need your help to find..." setup is a reference to a specific game? Seems like it ought to be. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I can't think of any specific games, but this is a commonly used plot device in game genres involving puzzles, mazes and the like.  The most recent game I can think of that employed this device is '''Pac Pix''' for the Nintendo DS, in which Pac-Man gets trapped as a drawing in a book, and he says he needs your help to free him. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Additionally, I submit this is NOT a reference to Luigi's Mansion (GameCube), as Luigi wasn't trapped in the mansion and didn't specifically ask for the player's help. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, that was the only thing that came to my mind in connection with haunted mansions, but even I was fairly sure it wasn't that, and my knowledge doesn't extend far beyond Tetris and the first few levels of SuperMarioWorld! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think the haunted mansion thing is basically a cliche... There are a million of 'em, I bet. Like ''The Haunted Mansion'', a Disney movie-slash-game. Although it does sound vaguely familiar... Think old stuff. Like the Floppy Disk Container. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Actually, it just occurred to me that "I/We/They Need Your Help!" is a common theme in [[Wikipedia:Choose Your Own Adventure]] books, which are what this Toon is obviously based on. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Walter ==

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was dying with laughter when I saw Pom Pom dressed as Walter Soebchek from The Big Lebowski. My friends and I love that movie and it has some of the best quotes I've heard. Anyway, just wanted to voice my pleasure. -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]

:That's what happens, Langham.  That's what happens when you hack a wiki in the back door!

::LMAO!!!

== Tofu Homestar Update? ==

I just watched the toon for the first time earlier today, and the Tofu Homestar ending is different than what is listed in the transcript. In the version I saw, the top block of Tofu actually does fall off, and it lands in the cauldron with a splash. This cuases Homestar to transform to his usual look, and Marzipan says once again that Homestar is back to his usual self, this time in a disappointed-sounding tone. Homestar then proceeds to tell Marzipan that her costume makes her butt look big.
:Yup; they updated the toon! and now the transcript's been updated too. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:26, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Gossamer Goof ==

Um, sorry TBC, but Gossamer was not the bright orange color you depicted him as. Not even in his first appearance. He was red. Straight red. Even his cameos in the Looney Tunes movies he was red. -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 14:35, 1 November 2005 (CST)
:Hey, you're right. If you want to add it under Goofs (or Remarks), that seems right to me. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::you do realize that TBC, probably don't read the wiki talk pages, right? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think they knew that (Gossamer was red). I noticed that too but didn't make much of it for some reason (cue in willing suspension of disbelief).  I can only guess that they made him orange as a Halloween Gag (or even to avoid copyright issues? -- ha! right. Though save that one difference he does look a lot like gossimer.) BTW where is there mention of this in the page again? Is it in the transcript, RWR?  I couldn't find mention of this. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Nevermind guys, I found where it's [[Halloween_Costumes#Halloween_Potion-ma-jig_.282005.29|mentioned]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== How Do They Know? ==
How do they (who ever they are) know what the origanal posion read?
# You can read it yourself if you pause the Flash file and look really close.
# It's dot com used a Flash decompiler on it; it exists in the Flash file without the bug and duckie drawings. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Plus, I have spooky Halloween powers. ''Seeeeee... Seeeeeeeeee...'' (that's the sound eyeballs make, in case it didn't come across in text). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Throw a TV on 'im! ==

*"Throw a TV on 'im!" is an oblique reference to [[virus]], where Strong Bad says "Drop a train on 'em!"

I added this inside reference, and it was removed a bit later due to "questionable merit" (by someone who doesn't have a user page, I noticed).  So I figured I'd mention it here and see if people agree on whether it should be included as a Fun Fact or not. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: This is what [[STUFF]] is for, but I personally don't think it's a reference, if only because of the absence of the word "drop." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Homsar's highlight ==

This fact has been added and deleted multiple times:

 In the costume gallery, Homsar is available if you found him. However, he can still be highlighted even others are talking.

The last time with:

 Homsar can be highlighted because he is a sprite overlaying the scene

But how does that make it not a goof? Obviously, TBC went out of their way to remove the ability to highlight all of the other characters, so Homsar's highlight does seem rather Goof-ish to me. Don't utter the words "Flash artifact"; this doesn't fit the description. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: My (partial) mistake; it's listed in Remarks. I still think it's a Goof. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:: I agree on the goofishness. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::: It has to do with how the Flash file is set up. Whenever you're able to highlight the characters, you're looking at a particular frame. When you click on one of them, it moves to a different spot in the file and plays the appropriate mini-scene. You can't click on the characters because there are no buttons in these frames. When the mini-scene is done, it goes back to the costumes frame. To insert Homsar into the scene, they just created a sprite with him in it and overlayed it at the end. The sprite is the same whether you're looking at the costumes frame or one of the mini-scenes, which is why it behaves the same way in both instances (just like Homestar's eyes blink even when the file is paused). If they ''really'' wanted to, they could have done any number of workarounds to this, but, being on a deadline, you can hardly fault them for doing it the easiest way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::: Regardless of the technical reason for it, the end result is that Homsar's "overlay" behaves differently than all of the rest of the characters, without a good visible reason to the casual user.  That's why I think it should still be listed as a goof, even knowing the mechanism by which it occurs. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::: What? The technical reason is why it ''shouldn't'' be listed as a goof. Goofs are when TBC make an actual ''mistake''. This is not a mistake; therefore, it is just a remark. If you really wanted to, you could list it as a glitch. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Actually, glitches seems like a good place for it, so I moved it there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::: My two and one half cents: A glitch implies that Flash is behaving in a way that it should not. Flash is behaving exactly as it should, though. Wot. --[[User:65.184.26.220|65.184.26.220]] 19:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::: You have a good point, 65. But a Goof implies that TBC are behaving in ways that ''they'' should not. TBC put that scene together exactly as they should, so it's not a Goof. Goofs should be reserved for bona fide mistakes. If Glitches is out, then that just leaves Remarks. But on the other hand, I think Glitches is a good fit for this fact, because putting it there highlights pecularities in the Flash file without stigmatizing the result. I think that's the direction the Glitches category is ultimately taking. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi guys.  When the page was being built I was actually the first one to move this comment from a goof to a remark.  The way I saw it at the time was that, even if they had time limitations to deal with, and given that putting homesar in there the right way would be much work, I thought and still think that it was purposely left the way it was made because it was "homesar-ish".  The odd behavior fits perfectly with... well... everything else he does.  One way or another I'm pretty sure that TBC knew of the flash limitations and that it would behave the way it does now. In the end they probably decided this would be a good way to present homesar's easter egg.  Following that line of reasoning I think it belongs as a remark. That's just my opinion. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Marzipan's Eyes ==

Did anyone else notice that Marzipan's eyes, in the beginning, cause a bit of her facial outline to disappear when she blinks? You have to zoom in, and it's only the duration of her blinking, so you have to have a sharp eye. A possible goof?&mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki, where parts of outlines disappearing for fractions of a second are noticed. All sarcasm aside, it ''is'' interesting. Add it on. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::LOL! That is so true (the noticing part)! That cracked me up! Anyway, for the record, I have not YET checked to verify the comment. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Strange Looking Marzipan ==

Does anyone else consider the appearance of the Strange Looking Marzipan to be similar to that of Salad Fingers? Especially the teeth? This might just be me because I was recently exposed to the horrors of Salad Fingers ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_fingers]) but I still think it is worthy of consideration for a real world reference. [[User:Colonel Burnsides|Colonel Burnsides]] 23:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I always just figured it a culmination of the "horrifying" PBTC Marzipan from [[mile]] and [[modeling|The Dame With Hard-To-Look-At Teeth]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:Oh gods... I hate you, Burnsides.  I followed that link and watched the Salad Fingers toons and I can't remember the last time I was as thoroughly creeped out.  Reading the theories about it on the wikipedia afterwards didn't help either.  I think I'll have that stuff stuck in my head for months... -Krendal

== Endings ==
Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? [[User:Mini-Trogdor|Mini-Trogdor]]
:Try downloading the [http://www.eltima.com/download/flashdecompiler/ Flash Decompiler], then saving the flash file from the bottom of the article. You can move backwards and forwards all over the place! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::A seek bar is also good for quick access. I don't have a good link, but I know there's one around here somewhere. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Same middle name. ==

Homestar has the same middle name as me, my name is Spincer Micheal Johnson.  [[User:Bassium!|Bassium!]]
:Neat. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Yea, I guess that's a better chance than your first or last names. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::It must be a reference to you! ;)
:Do you spell it Mich''ea''l or Mich''ae''l as I do? (It's my first name, but I go by my middle) --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== Possible Ref ==

This may be a ref when the KOT is digging for something he baried when he was 9 and now can't find it may be a ref to the film Stand By Me when one of the kids I can't remember witch one.  Buried a jar of pennies when he's 9 and then can't find it when he's older.
:Can anyone verify this? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I saw the movie, but I think that is a stretch.  Besides, I think if we put any more references, this article might pop. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Different endings ==

Can I get one combolation of choices that produces each of the endings? Thanks ahead of time. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:How about End 1 (1, 3, 2, 3, 1); End 2 (3, 1, 3, 2, 2); End 3 (1, 3, 1, 1, 1); End 4 (3, 1, 3, 3, 3); and End 5 (2, 2, 2, 1, 2). Those will give you a different ending each time, as well as show each different stop along the way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks a ton, dot com! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
*thanx alot!

== Chuck Taylor Reference? ==

In my opinion, Homestar said "The woods are <i>chuck</i> full of.." or something to that effect.  This may refer to his shoes, Converse All-Stars, or Chuck Taylors.  What do you think?
:I think he simply mispronounced the word "chock" - the term "chock full" is a common phrase. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Althought Strong Bad did mention this once before when he said "Chuck Taylor wearing low self-esteemers." {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Found it: [[best thing]] (the Limozeen cartoon episode).  Given that, I think this reference is possible, but it may be a bit of a stretch, considering (a) Homestar wasn't talking about his shoes, and (b) "chock full" is still a common phrase that is entirely appropriate for this context. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Date of release ==

While I do agree that it was released a little too late, shouldn't we (and don't we always) go by the official date on the [[Main Pages]]?  I remember [[A Folky Tale]] was released shortly after midnight, but TBC called it a Monday update, and so did we. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:This wasn't just a little after midnight, this was 1:30 a.m. Atlanta time. They admitted they were late with their message: "It's still Halloween in certain timezones." Sorry, guys, but you released it in November. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah but like TBC said, it was still October in some time zones ''including'' the Mountain Time Zone which is Utah's time zone and thus the time zone where the server for this wiki resides, is it not!? ;) So by their own admission they've confessed to releasing it for those time zones, and I am sure that they set their watches so that they'd have the "correct" time of 11:30 MST. :D --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:Ummm... no. They just tried to release it at least in time to let a few time zones appreciate it. Those would be:<br>
#Midway island; Samoa.
#Hawaii.
#Alaska.
#The West Coast, most notably British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, California, and a bit of Mexico. To a lesser extent, I think the Yukon's also in there.
#And Mountain time. Which has some Alberta, Utah, Arizona, Probably some Northwest Territories, ect. 
Besides that, Halloween was over. That would also explain their 12 hour update to the toon, they released it before it was done, then fixed a few minor things they wanted. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:Whenever there's been a question regarding release time, I can always remember us going with Atlanta time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::LOL, now *that* is a detailed time zone list if i saw any! You have done well in combatting my intellect! (However, I did reference a movie, and the source has not been revealed!)  To be sure, I hope no one has taken me ''too'' seriously with this post and it's accompanying comment-- I do not want to come across as arrogant.  I'm just playing a little devil's advocate. (And yes, it does make more sense to go by Atlanta time) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

==The Cheat Noises==

I missed the discussion (if there ever was any), did we ever come to a decision about guessing what The Cheat says, and noting it in the transcript. Because The Cheat is obviously (to me) saying "I'm the best!", a phrase Toad often said, such as in Mario Kart. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think we did decide that we don't put words in The Cheat's mouth. However, I also think we can make an exception this time, since what The Cheat is saying is a direct reference to Mario Kart 64 and similar. If he wasn't in costume, I'd say no, but... It's okay if he is. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yeah, we should just forget about trying to translate the "the cheat" noises there. To hard. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::The previous discussion was at [[HRWiki_talk:Standards#Standardize_.22The_Cheat_Noises.22|HRWiki:Standards]]. The best thing I had to say there regarding the situation here was this: "I do believe that there does exist that tiny fraction where it actually sounds like he's saying something. But these cases are quite rare." So, if it really can be determined (from context or whatever) that he's saying "I'm the best", then it should at least be mentioned somewhere. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::''Edit Conflict:'' I agree. There are several instances where I've heard noises that are very close to the words that would fit perfectly in context.  I beleive some of those words might even be in the SB email easter egg where we have his noises translated by a notable expert in the field of The Cheat-speak. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I thought all the "Learn to speak The Cheat" entries were already in the transcripts. That should be checked on. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Oh! They could be... I wasn't saying they weren't.  I was just pointing out that what was heard was very close to matching its translation. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I for one am highly in favor of adding a Fun Fact, that "I'm The Best" is a common Toad phrase. However, in order to do so, it would likely first need to be added to the transcript. Surprisingly enough, it was rather hard to find proof that he actually says that line on the Mario Kart series. But for any who might question this, I found a [http://www.guitartabs.cc/forum/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=2&cmd=showentry&eid=132 couple] [http://www.smbhq.com/mkstory.htm of] [http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=legacy&message.id=125023&page=5 links] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/review/R26114.html that] [http://forums.hyperactive.com.au/archive/index.php/t-2686.html say] [http://www.google.com/search?q=Mario+Kart+Toad+%22I%27m+The+Best%22&hl=en&hs=WOo&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10&sa=N otherwise]. Are there any objections to me adding it to the transcript? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:None whatsoever from me. As a Nintendo fan--and supporter of Toad's Mario Kart 64 voice (as opposed to Super Mario Sunshine and later games)--I think this is very noteable. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:I also don't like the way the transcript explains "Poomp" as being the effect made when Toad crashes. It has very little do to with Toad crashing, but it always happens when I kart lands after going off a high cliff. I think it should be reworded to reflect that. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
::Yeah, someone get that outta there. It's already explained in the fun facts. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Done. I thought it was worded like a fun fact, which doesn't belong in the transcripts. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== An early version ==

The version I watched when the toon first came out is different than the version that exists now. Basically, I have a version open in a browser window from last night, and it doesn't have The Cheat's Easter egg OR Homestar returning to himself after turning into tofu. I'm trying to find it in my temp folders. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 04:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah there's been some mention of it in the discussions. I remember not seeing a The Cheat easter egg - I didn't even know there was one until you mentioned it! I have read about the Tofu thing somewhere in this talk page (and it's prolly in the FF too).  Good luck finding the SWF for your old version! That'll be cool if it's still there! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''EDIT CONFLICT:''' Yea, I think it was already noted. Although a mirror or two under the links would be a nice touch. (New "The End" screen, Cheat "I'm The Best" easter egg, and an extended Tofu Homestar ending). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Whoa! Two edit conflicts with the same person in the same night! <insert Twilight Zone music here> --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I still have it open in the browser window but I can't get it out. It's not in my cache any more and saving the page downloads the new one. Anyone have any ideas? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 05:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm... Leave it open if you can for now, and Talk to the Tom/Com duo. One of them'll probably be able to help you. I'd use the IRC Chat channel in the external links, you'll get better tech-support that way. There's gotta be a mirror or two floating around the net by now though, right?!?!?! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::I think the only way you'd be able to get it in that situation is if you can find it in your cache.  Amanda, what browser are you using?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Firefox. I already searched my disk and memory cache and found the new version. It's really strange. I guess downloading the new version overrode the old version, but the old version is ''still in my browser window''. So where's it being stored on my machine? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::It appears that Flash has some sort of automatic cache, but it's set not to cache things from homestarrunner.com... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::See if "about:cache" in your location bar reveals anything interesting.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Uh... yeah. Quoth the me: "I already searched my disk and memory cache." I searched all the files on my computer, too. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::UPDATE: Lost the window. I accidentally opened a file that opened in the same window as the toon. Sorry guys. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:30, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== The Mysterious Man of Mischief ==

We have all known for a long time that Strong Bad mercilessly torment Strong Sad.  But I got to thinking after the Halloween Toon mention ''the essence of putting Strong Mad's hand in warm water'' that how many time has SB teased SM?  I remember the potato salad in the drawer but are there other examples out there.

Also does anyone think that it is worth it to list the times Strong Bad has tormented other people like glueing SS's hands to his face and locking him in the bath tub at Decemberween? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:We already have [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].  I don't think we need a page like that for everybody.  SB is just not a very nice person, and I don't think we need proof by cataloging every instance. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:16, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

==Strong Sad n' Say==

Wouldn't Strong Sad saying "each day you die a little more" be a slight reference to Spin n' Say? I found the way he said it in this toon quite similar to the way he said it in the game. [[User:Teh_Frossty_One|Teh_Frossty_One]]
:Already noted in the article. I do think Marzipan's "Yay! Now I'm not the only girl!" is a reference to it, though. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::As for Marzi, I thought I remember saying something similar in an interview also. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:45, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Stinko-Speak ==

Isn't Strong Bad saying "That's a worthy cause if ever there was one!" a reference to [[Stinkoman]] "That's the name of a talented fighter if ever there was one."[[20X6 vs. 1936]]? [[User:20X6_GEM]]
:That's what I though at first, but it could easily be a coincidence. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::That's a worthy fun fact if ever there was one! How can it be a coincidence? If it wasn't intentional, he would have said, "That's a worthy cause if '''there ever''' was one," not the other way around. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Actually, it's usually said the other way around. I think it counts as "common phrase". {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Runnin gag? ==

When Homestar's singing that song, would that be another refrence to "Eggs"? [[User:Cakeman|Cakeman]]

== Annd scene ==

Isn't Marzipan saying "ennd scene" instead of "annd scene"? I think that makes more sense...

:"And scene" is what you say at the end of a brief performance, for example in a theater workshop. A brief search turned up many results, five of which I have listed below:
:*[http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9151/719.htm ''Friends'' episode 719]
::JOEY: '''And scene!''' Huh? Wasn’t that fun? We did a little improv there.
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/arresteddevelopment/season1/arrestdev-102.htm ''Arrested Development'' episode 102]
::TOBIAS: (screaming, singing "Amazing Grace") This isn’t a fever! (continues singing) (on the floor) Can’t even see where the knob is! (dramatic sigh) '''And scene.''' (takes a bow)
:*[http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3125643&st=30 Forum regarding ''Arrested Development'']
::I loved during the Sugarhill theme how Bateman did a sort of '''"and scene"''' movement with his hand.
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/willandgrace/season4/willandgrace-425.htm ''Will and Grace'' episode 425]
::(Broadway auditions)
::JACK: [QUIETLY TO HIMSELF] '''And scene.'''
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/willandgrace/season5/willandgrace-519.htm ''Will and Grace'' episode 519]
::(From his acting class)
::JACK: '''And scene.''' Nice work.
:&mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar gets an item ==

If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think that the whole thing with the music and the screen that pops up when homestar acquires an item is a reference to something, but I can't recall exactly what it is from. Could it be the Legend of Zelda?--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 05:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I think it's a reference to any number of video games, including the Zelda series. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::That particular jingle is a TBC original. I agree that it's likely modeled after video games that chime when you get a "key item", but there are too many of those games to list. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]