Editing Talk:DNA Evidence

== Article name ==

I think that we should move the article for the toon to [[DNA Evidence]] and just use the {{tl|abouttoon}} and {{tl|for}} disambiguation notices for the top of the page, rather than having a separate disambiguation page. My reasons: (1) the toon is more important than the running gag, now that all the appearances of the gag have been included into the toon, (2) it will make it easier to cite the toon in the future, which will be necessary for the article much more often than for the gag, (3) it will look better in {{tl|toonnav}} at the top of [[Date Nite]] and the other one (currently [[The King of Town DVD]]), although we could just do a workaround by substituting the template or using a parserfunction in {{tl|toonnav}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:I agree. It should be moved to [[DNA Evidence]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::'''AGREE'''/10 {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 23:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Agree. That seems to be a worthy proposal. --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== Detective ==

When Homestar was running around in his little detective outfit, isn't that a lack of visible ar- wait, it was already referenced. Oh well. "It's gonna cost you an arm and a leg!" --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:His arm being visible inside that sleeve (so to speak) is going to answer a lot of questions about invisible arms vs telekinesis, eh?

== Goofs ==

I actually saw this: When Marzipan first walks up to Bub's concession stand, She did not have her toga on.  After I got off and got back on a short time later, She was wearing her toga when she walked up to Bub's's.

I noticed this too. I added it. If anyone disagrees, go ahead and remove it. ;) [[User:DNA Evidence|DNA Evidence]] 02:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque, Also? ==

Strong Bad seems to be reprising his role of Dangeresque while he is being interviewed by Strong Sad - he's wearing the glasses, he's in the [[smoky office]], he even says the catchphrase. Should this be mentioned in the Cast section? [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I even heard some of the Dangeresque music at one point! [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::ONE point? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:::Well, of course.  He even says "I'm gonna have to jump!" at the end.  No question he was being Dangeresque.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Looks like I'm gonna have to jump! ahh...change it!

::::Done and Done! =] [[User:89.1.242.169|89.1.242.169]] 14:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Homestar's teeth ==

On Strong Sad's chart, Homestar is shown smiling with teeth showing. Where should this fact go? -[[User:72.26.64.24|72.26.64.24]] 00:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was bold and stuck it in Remarks. If that isn't appropriate, you can move it. -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 00:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Could one of y'all sysops delete [[DNA Evidence]] because the actual toon is called [[The DNA Evidence]] and I was going to move [[DNA Evidence (running gag)]] back to [[DNA Evidence]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Precedent is to name the articles by whatever the [[Toons|Toons Menu]] calls it, even if that's different to the title card in the toon. The menu calls this toon just "DNA Evidence", without the "The". Look at [[KOT's VOQPCS!]] and [[A Folky Tale]]... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Edit Conflict'd==

I thought it was just the transcript we couldn't touch. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it happens even when I try to edit ANOTHER section. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 02:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dang!==

The cleaner on Coach Z's Janitator cart was called "DANG!".  This could possibly be in reference to a product called [http://www.easyoffbam.us/ BAM] in North America which has an onomatopoea for a brand name.  Thoughts? [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Meh, seems TTATOT to me, cleaning products with catchy monosyllabic names are fairly common. [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 02:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think "DANG!" and "BAM" are pretty similar.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:The last time I checked, "dang" wasn't an onomatopoeia... [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Dang isn't onomatopoeia by itself, but the adding of the exclaimation mark, especially on a cleaning product, suggests it's a made-up one, like using "Zonk!" on the 60s Batman show. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. "Dang!" is an interjection. Not an onomatopoeia at all. When was the last time you heard something go "Dang!" when it hit the floor? --{{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::True enough, it's an interjection, but the name "Dang!" might be a reference to "BAM" by EasyOff and that was why I put it here in the first place.  There aren't any other spray-on cleaning products I can think of or find with a more similar name. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 05:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Also, the same product is marketed in the UK and South Africa under the name "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cillit_Bang BANG]", which might be relevant. --[[User:Johnny Ord'nary|Johnny Ord&#39;nary]] 08:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::When's the last time they made a cultural reference to something outside of the western hemisphere?  Furthermore, I don't know that "bam" is more of a possibility than [http://www.shoutitout.com/clean-stains-home.aspx?box=0&tab=trigger] "shout." --[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 09:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I dunno, Lux, ''I'' usually say "dang" when I hit the floor, and a few other words to boot.  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:I think that by this point it's pretty clear [[TTATOT]]. 'Nuff said. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque 3 ==
Since SB is dressed like Dangeresque, maybe the famed Dangeresque 3, if there is ever one, will be about the DNA evidence. just a guess, though. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:I'm pretty sure that this toon marks the culmination of the DNA evidence gag. [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think that that was a pun because of the setting and Strong Bad's style of talking--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 22:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Approved Comics==

Both of the easter egg comics appear to bear the mark of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Comics Code Authority].  While the mark is fairly close to the real thing, the text of the mark on comic books in real life reads, "Approved by the Comics Code Authority".  The text in the comics in this toon do not match that text. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 02:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Old Maid Marzipan? ==

"Old Maid Marzipan" sounds more like a reference to "Maid Marian" than just simply "Old Maid." Do you think it's both maybe? --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 02:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Possibly.  I think it's just more of an old-timey reference to an unmarried woman, rather than a card game.  Any thoughts?--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 04:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::If [[colouring|Goody Marzipan]] didn't merit a mention (even being wrongfully gunned down in STUFF), I don't see why this should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Office Space again!  I said Office Space again! ==

I realize this has been voted down several times already in previous toons/emails, but, yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and point out what I believe is another oblique reference to Bill Lumbergh of [[Wikipedia:Office Space|Office Space]]: Strong Bad's message on the Lappy starts with "Hi.  Yeah, go ahead and...", which is very similar to Bill's manner of speaking.  And in this case (as with previous turned-down references), the context is clearly similar to that of Office Space, where Strong Bad writes as sort of a manager, presumably to someone he views as a subordinate.  That's where the similarity ends, granted, but I believe there is a definite similarity there. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:And of course, it's possible (not entirely likely, but possible) TBC have seen our discussions and included this just to vex us. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Personally, if you ask me, I think they've been messing around with us for quite some time now. :)  Especially with non-sequiturs like [[Drive-thru]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, THIS toon is a pretty big indication of their liking to vex us. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Dorian, i think it's likely. They've said that they use the wiki a lot. Plus... Who knows that they're not actually one of the users on the wiki... How do we know they're not... YOU! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I just think the idea that TBC, who for the most part are pretty anonymous behind Homestarrunner.com and (to my knowledge) have never directly interacted with the wiki, might be sitting there wondering what they can throw out there that'll totally mess with our minds and get us buzzing over here... I just find that really amusing. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered that maybe they're just trying to be funny? [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 20:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:TBC?  Funny??  Naaah, couldn't be. ;) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop assuming these are references to Office Space, okay?  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Allow me to re-word that for you. "Yeah, I'm going to need you to stop assuming these are Office Space references, mmk?" --{{User:CX360/sig}} 13:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::Better!  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 21:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== Loose end ==

This cartoon explained almost everything, except why Pom Pom wanted Homestar to bring him the DNA evidence in "From Work." [[User:BethEnd|BethEnd]] 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Umm, what about why it was in the movie they were watching? It left that out too. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hence the subtitle "Your questions sorta answered!". :)  Don't read too much into it. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, actually, strong sad DID say "just like in the movies". [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Heh, or how marzipan got the pink TAMPERED test tube --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 13:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think Pom Pom wanted Homestar to bring him the DNA evidence in "From Work" because he thought Homestar was a relilable detective that could hunt down the DNA evidence.

I think Bubs just filled it with whatever soda or coloring he had around the stand. [[User:BethEnd|BethEnd]] 14:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Or how about why Strong Bad wanted the DNA evidence to continue experiments on The Cheat when he knew that it was Strong Sad's DNA he was preventing Bubs from analyzing. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

THAT was just a flat-out lie to Strong Sad to cover himself. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Another question that's been bugging me: Couldn't Strong Bad just get some more of Strong Sad's DNA and start his investigation again, or am I reading too much into this? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I think my favorite part of the whole gag (or at least before this toon) was left out.  How/when did Strong Bad tamper the DNA evidence?  Was he just trying to make up a cool story for The Cheat? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Twin Peaks ==

Ok I tried to say this was a reference to Twin Peaks.  Am I doing something wrong? Why is this being removed when I add it?
:Because it's TTATOT. Countless shows have "previously on" segments. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I understand that, but Twin Peaks has the trademark jazz and fingersnap "previously on Twin Peaks" segments.  This wouldn't be the first time Twin Peaks was referenced by TBC either.
:::Maybe true, but it's still TTATOT. jazz and fingersnaps are common to detective shows. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::That's fair enough. I just know that as a Twin Peaks fan, this reference seems to scream out at me. :)  Apologies for being anonymous.  Gotta look into getting a user ID.
:::::Umm, it's the link at the top right of the page. ANY hrwiki page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::You should! [[Special:Userlogin|Creating a username]] is free and has [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits]]. Also, I don't know anything about Twin Peaks, but you do have a point that the show has been explicitly referenced in the past. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::thx... created an account.  I know it wasn't rocket science, but hey I hadn't gotten around to it before now. :)
:::::::YAY! now you should remember to sign your talk posts with four tildas: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so that it leaves your user name and a timestamp. Like these right here: [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't mean to be beating a dead horse, but I think the Twin Peaks reference is necessary.  First of all, TP has been referenced in another toon.  Secondly, what other detective show features jazz and fingersnaps as its background music? I agree that TP is inspired by film noir, but I think the music to this toon is distinctly a reference. I'm gonna leave it off, though, as I think the "catch all" film noir ref already on the article is enough. --[[User:Positatewithoutpizzaz|Positatewithoutpizzaz]] 10:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mild Mannered Alter-Ego ==
Could this phrase be a reference to Calvin and Hobbes? That's where I first saw it. I'm amazingly out of the loop on popular culture though, so I could be wrong. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 06:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure, but I think it was first used to describe Clark Kent, Superman's mild-mannered alter ego. I do know that it's a cliche in superhero comics. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 06:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it translates back to early Superman, where Clark was described as a "mild-mannered reporter". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Superman is the ultimate source I believe.  It also translates to Unix geeks, where the concept of a "super-user" exists, (one with root access on their account, see man (8) sudo).  Unix admins often refer to non-priveledged users as "mild-mannered".{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 07:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should mention the Superman/Clark Kent/Kal-El thing on the article, it is a clear reference. {{User:Slipstream/sig}}
:Seems to me to be more like a generic reference to superheroes and their alternate identities.  The "mild-mannered" bit also applies to Spiderman/Peter Parker and numerous other heroes, although it is correct to say that Superman started the trend. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== toothéd ==

It seems at least notable to me to mention Homestars teeth.

I totally understand the arguments against and why the references have been removed.

I still think it's worthy of note, as his teeth aren't a normal thing.

{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 08:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:TBC are definately playing with our minds... [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 08:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Are those his teeth? I thought it was just hatching. {{User:Mee/sig}}

:It's just the back of the side of his mouth. It shows even on his normal model, when his mouth's open. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Do You Think...? ==

Do you think that this started out as:<br/>
a. Just something in one of the SBEmails that just stuck around (4 votes)<br/>
b. Was planned as a running joke (0 votes)<br/>
c. Planned as a big toon (0 votes)<br/>
d. Something entirely different (0 votes)<br/>

Personally, I think it was something in one of the SBEmails that they just decided to run with. (In other words, option A.)<br/>
--[[User:ArgentAngel|ArgentAngel]] 10:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Voting isn't necessary here, unless you think you can go into the past and change TBC's motive with your willpower. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I'm just curious as to what people think. --[[User:ArgentAngel|ArgentAngel]] 22:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Probably a topic better suited for the forum. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== French ==

Two things.  First of all, Strong Sad's pronunciation, is that a foreign pronunciation?  He has in the past accentuated in either French or Japanese.
However, the French word for "due" is "dû."  Is Homestar trying to say "Mountain Dû" and "tastes like dûdû?"  Obviously it's a mistranslated pun, but it's [[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/unnatural#Trivia not the first time.]]--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 10:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Sad's pronunciation of "Marzipan" is not French.  I don't know what it is, but it's certainly not French.
Moreover, "dû," the past participle form of "devoir," is not pronounced like "doi." [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 23:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think the pronunciation of Marzipan is a reference to Strong Bad's old accent. At least, it sounds just about the same as when SB said it in [[The Reddest Radish]]. - [[User:Wrath|Wrath]] 15:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::I think Strong Sad was trying to say "Marzipan" but with one of the other ways to pronounce it (märt'sə-pän'). Also, Homestar (who commonly swaps one word for another which sounds similar) meant to say "Mountain Dew" but said "Mountain Doi", which sounds like a French pronunciation of some words (ie, Roi - pronounced "rwa") {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 17:31, 20 May, 2007 (UTC)

:::I agree; it's not a reference to a specific French word (the closest would be "dois" or "doit," which are other forms of "devoir"), but rather something to give it a French sound (and, as such, not notable).[[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==Taxidoimied Strong Bad==

The scene where Homestar hangs up his coat and hat on the 'statue' of Strong Bad suplexing a cougar is from 'your funeral' where it's one of the ways SB wants to be preserved - and apparently part of a sbemail "fantasy" segment. How does that work? Did SB actually die and come back to life during that email?
:No, it was clearly a fantasy because of Strong Bad's changing his mind back at the Lappy. Not sure how it works here though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Not to mention, the "previously on..." segment is literally just a series of clips from previous emails, regardless of how they fit in to whatever passes for a reality in the H*R universe. :)  Whoever qualifies as the director of the toon (in-universe) just took the clips verbatim.  (Obviously, that's true out-of-universe as well.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Previously.... ==

Didn't Bonus Stage once do an intro that looks very similar to this toon's intro? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Twice, actually, but it's just a coincidence. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 14:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Let's not forget [[fingers]] and [[retirement]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Clue==

Isn't the plot for this similar to that of the board game [[Wikipedia: Clue|Clue]]? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Not really. Do you see "Marzipan in Da Basement with Eggs" anywhere? Clue focuses on traveling from place to place and making conjectures, not going to different people and interviewing them. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Fun facts ==

Two things I noticed in the Fun Facts section (I want to hear your opinion first, so I didn't edit it)

 Strong Sad looking up at the toon title in the beginning of the toon breaks the fourth wall.
:I believe he was looking up to some kind of banner that is part of his presentation. "Coincidentally" the banner is also used as the  toon title. So it wouldn't necessarily be a Fourth Wall break since the sign actually "existed". --[[User:80.135.88.26|80.135.88.26]] 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::There's a fourth-wall break somewhere in there, whether it's Strong Sad or the banner itself.  If the banner shifts out of the title screen and into Strong Sad's scene, then the banner itself has broken the fourth wall.  If Strong Sad is looking at an element that is physically outside his scene, then he's breaking the fourth wall. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Decline. I see nothing. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 21:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::After looking at it in more detail, I agree that it's not clear he's breaking the fourth wall here.  Strong Sad has been known to do so before, but in those cases it's really obvious. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

 This cartoon is the conclusion to the DNA Evidence story arc.
:I agree, it looks like this - On the other hand this seems exactly the kind of statement to me that would seduce TBC into making even more DNA evidence references, just to annoy the wikians :) So maybe we should be careful with claims like these. --[[User:80.135.88.26|80.135.88.26]] 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I would have worded it: "This cartoon is based on the DNA Evidence running gag that appeared in five straight Strong Bad Emails, starting with X."  I agree that declaring it the END of the story arc may be premature, since we don't know what TBC's plans are for this gag.  I'm sure we'll see an occasional reference to it from here on out. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Maybe they'll make a "DNA Evidence II" with the characters trying to take the DNA evidence from Strong Sad!

== Continuity ==

"Well, it all started several weeks ago."
"Well, it all started a few weeks ago."
"Yeah, I went over to Strong Bad's the other day."
This whole thing occurred in TWO days, didn't it? One day when the DNA evidence went around, and then Coach Z 'took it to work the next day.' Then again, they may just be referring to when the emails happened, which was, as of now, 'several weeks ago,' etc. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::Agreed. This is a fourth-wall break. They're clearly referring to several real time weeks ago, which happened to be two days their time. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 21:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Keep it rusty ==

This is one of those rare cases when you can [[:Image:Keep It Rusty.ogg|hear]] what's actually being said by slowing down the audio. I'm going to change the transcript and subtitles now. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I agree, it sounds like "rusty," not 'rustic."
::I have no opinion one way or the other. I asked the guys in the channel when i was doing the write up and "rustic" seemed to be the consensus. I have no idea which it is, and will let you guys fight it out. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 20:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Reference to email #12? ==

As you might have noticed on the Lappy's screen, does the email Strong Bad receives in [[credit card]] seem to ring a bell? I know the message on the screen is slightly similar.

I was thinking the same thing. I was planning to mention this fact in Inside References, but now I don't have to! 
"Whatever happened to Duke Nukem?"-[[User:Neox|Neox]] And whatever happened to my nice ASCII art I put up here?

== Test Tube Reoccurance ==

Underlings was the only email to not specifically use the term DNA evidence in dialogue, but the test tube on the "You-reek-a" shirt does look exactly like the one used to hold the DNA evidence.  worth mentioning?  [[User:71.104.226.62|71.104.226.62]] 00:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:Not really. It's a generic test tube. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
== deep breaths ==
is it just me or do the voices sound a little "off" and obviously "breathy" as compared to the normal voices.  specifically marzipan, whose voice sounds different and missy is apparently blowing into the mic on purpose.  {{User:TheDude/sig}} 01:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==4th wall break==

Homestar's voiceover at the very beginning is a 4th wall break. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Homestarms! ==

I think this is pretty clear proof of the idea that Homestar has invisible arms, and doesn't use telekinesis or whatever.  When Homestar drinks the DNA evidence, the arms of his trenchcoat move and bend like a real (visible) arm would, and the sleeve is even open as if there was an arm in it.

:Yes this was added to the main homestar article. pleas sign your posts. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Angry Strong Sad or Strong Sad laughing ==
hey has anyone seen Strong Sad angry or laughing before this came out?
[[user:Dayle14|Dayle14]] 16:42 17 May 2007
:Yes, see [[Strong Sad Smiling]]. Angry? Not except for in [[rough copy]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::You could also check [[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship#Strong Sad's Revenge|their relationship page]] for other less-than-Strong Sad actions against Strong Bad. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== 24 Reference ==

The "Previously on HomestarRunner.com" opening is a direct reference to the opening sequence of 24 with the main character narrating and the color of the background and typeface.  I was going to include it but there was a note that said not to.  I think the reference is strong enough to warrant inclusion especially considering in the past there was a separate narrator. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 17:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:No, a lot of shows use the same thing. [[TTATOT]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 17:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Look at it this way.  The opening sequence of "24" is a direct reference to most other serialized TV dramas.  Not noteworthy here.  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 18:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::But to see the colors and narration?  How many other shows use that?  I just don't feel it's a coincidence. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 18:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:::[[wikipedia:Star Trek|A]] [[wikipedia:Boston Public|lot]] [[wikipedia:Boston Legal|have]] [[wikipedia:Law and Order|used]] [[wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|it.]] just to name a few. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Out of those you showed I am pretty sure they used white, not yellow...but I see your point.  I still think it's a direct reference but it doesn't matter. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 17:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I too agree that it is a reference to 24 and is not just a coincidence. 24 is one of the most popular shows to use "Previously...", they do it on every episode, not just as a "To be continued..." And the typeface and color also relate to 24 along with the voice over. I think it should be put as a reference. [[User:TheCheat486|TheCheat486]] 06:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Once again, it's used in too many shows all over the place to merit being anything other than the grandest of [[TTATOT]]s. End of story. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== A tall, cool glass of STUFF ===
{{stufffact|Homestar mentioning "a tall, cool glass of Mountain Dwa" is a reference to [[other days]], when Strong Bad prompted his motivational-lecture attendees to "make yourself a tall, cool glass of [[piemonade]]."}}
{{stuffverdict|19:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)|05:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|24|2|DNA Evidence}}

== It'll cost ya...==
Anybody think that Marzipan doesn't care that getting the DNA evidence examined costs so much because shedoesn't have armsor legs?  Just thought that was possible.  {{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 19:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Yep. It's even mentioned in the Inside Refs. I thought that line was hilarious, personally. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::I agree. That was pretty funny--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 21:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Homer Simpson?==

This is '''really''' stretching it but on to occurences Strong Sad works out something, repeats it with a long "eh". Homer Simpson has done the same thing when he hears something imortant - I dunno it maybe a coincidence [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Hat and Trenchcoat ==

I think that Homestar wearing a hat and trenchcoat while looking for evidence could be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, the fictional detective by the author Arthur Conan Doyle.--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 21:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:I happen to have a hat and trenchcoat.  It's a reference to ME! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say its more of an allusion to Private Investigators and general mystery or noir genre than Sherlock Holmes.  The hat and coat aren't really typical [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Estatua_de_Sherlock_Homes_en_Londres.jpg Holmes garb]. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 19:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
This is already noted in the email "funeral", where it first appears. We don't need to say it again, do we? {{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 21:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stage directions in transcript ==

It seems we're paying (neurotically) close attention to placing stage directions at exactly the dialog point at which they occur.  I'm all for accuracy, but I'm concerned it makes the transcript harder to read.  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:A couple questions for clarification: (1) Are you talking about the lines in italics and braces between lines of dialogue? (2) Are you talking about this toon only, or a trend throughout all of the recent transcripts? If yes to both, then I think you bring up a good point, and we should perhaps talk about it at a more prominent location, like [[HRWiki talk:Standards]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::(1) Yes.  (2) I was referring specifically to this toon, and the later revisions to the transcript that moved these action descriptions to break up lines of dialog.  I haven't noticed if it's a trend or not, but I'm all for a standards discussion on the topic.  --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Thermite ==

Anyone want to point out the fact that termite could be a pun on [[Wikipedia:Thermite|thermite]], an explosive chemical reaction that could certainly be used to down-burn a flight of stairs? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 15:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:No. I think it's just a mixture of things which could destroy one's staircase (fire or termites), thrown together in an absurd manner. It could be a reference to thermite, but I doubt it--the joke wouldn't really be funny any more.[[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 20:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==Super Hero Bubs/Coach Z==

Now that Strong Bad, Bubs, and Coach Z have their own super heroes, could this be the sign of another series of toons featuring Strong Badman? The Freedom Champions of the USA (FCUSA). [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:This sounds like a good topic for the Forum. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::Have you noticed that the superhero versions of Coach Z and Bubs resemble Deutschman's body (as seen in [[haircut]] easter egg)? Nah! I already checked, and the positions are different.

== This changes EVERYTHING! ==

As the Inside References state, the "part elephant or rhino" thing is a reference to Strong Sad's [[Soolnds|soolnds]]. He says on [[Strong Sad's Journal]] that his feet are not elephant feet; that elephants have elephant feet while he has soolnds. But at the rhino, despite that he seems to have been giving that information the entire time. Maybe they '''''AREN'T''''' soolnds after all. It seems Strong Sad has something to hide...
[[User:Neox|Neox]]
:<small>By "rhino" I think he means "hippo".  No rhinoceros are mentioned in this toon.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 20:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)</small>
:Or, they aren't elephant feet because he is not an elephant. If DNA evidence proves he has elephant DNA, which is not established, then he is still not an elephant, anymore than your DNA being a 98% match to a monkey makes you a monkey. The end result of this line of reasoning is speculation of how Strong Sad received elephant or hippo DNA, and perhaps sheds light on why Strong Bad is so reluctant to discuss his parents, but as that is an absolutely inappropriate topic on SO many levels for this talk page, I suggest we allow it to drop. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much.{{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 21:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

In response to Qermaq (nice name, by the way): Drop it? No way! I was just saying that when you add all his [Strong Sad's] rantings about soolnds and his maniacal laughter at the end of this toon together, you get a situation where it seems that Strong Sad has something to hide. [[User:Neox|Neox]]

== A Missing Component ==

Did anyone notice that they never explained why Pom Pom wanted the DNA Evidence on his disk by 5? --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 15:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:See [[#Loose end|above]]... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Why'd he do it? ==
Why'd Strong Sad take the DNA evidence? There's gotta be ''some'' reason! Also, why didn't we see the DNA evidence before in [[Strong Sad's Secret Styles|The Secrets That I Keep]]? Anybody got info?
:That would be speculation, my siggieless comrade. Perhaps TBC will reveal this later, but for now we have to be content in not knowing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== Eyelids? ==
Is this the first thyme Coach Z has closed or lowered his eyelids? (In modern times) {{User:Mee/sig}}
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 :I'm pretty sure that this toon marks the culmination of the DNA evidence gag. [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 ::I think that that was a pun because of the setting and Strong Bad's style of talking--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 22:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
-:Do you think this is Dangeresque 3:The Criminal Projective in 3D?[[UserRoboblob|Roboblob]]17:53,August 23,2007(UTC)
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 :Possibly.  I think it's just more of an old-timey reference to an unmarried woman, rather than a card game.  Any thoughts?--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 04:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 ::If [[colouring|Goody Marzipan]] didn't merit a mention (even being wrongfully gunned down in STUFF), I don't see why this should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
-:On second thought, I just think Bubs is stupid. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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 I think my favorite part of the whole gag (or at least before this toon) was left out.  How/when did Strong Bad tamper the DNA evidence?  Was he just trying to make up a cool story for The Cheat? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
-The toon also didn't explain the [[rough copy]] Easter egg. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
-:I was one of the few who connected that to the other mentions, but my explanation got deleted the first time I said it.  I believed Homestar felt he was under too much pressure to find the DNA evidence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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 :::I agree; it's not a reference to a specific French word (the closest would be "dois" or "doit," which are other forms of "devoir"), but rather something to give it a French sound (and, as such, not notable).[[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
-Another old conversation I'm bringing up, but I think it needs addressing.  (Note that I did just make a post about Strong Sad and French in yes, wrestling's talk.  I don't think this necessarily applies, especially since Marzipan is german in origin, I think...)  ''However'', I ''do'' think that Homestar's speech ''is'' a reference to a specific French word.  (that's a lot of italics..) Anyway, hear me out.  It seems to me that the "joke" is supposed to be that "Dew" sounds like the french word for 2 (Deux?  I dunno, I don't speak french).  Somehow homestar screws up the joke (Yeah, it's hard to screw up the pronunciation of a joke dependent on pronunciation, but it's homestar) and confuses it with the french word for 3 (trois?) and ends up with some odd pormanteau of the two...  It's complicated I know, but it seems to make sense.  Thoughts? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
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 :Yes this was added to the main homestar article. pleas sign your posts. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
-do not froget azipan being able 2 give up an arm and a leg, though we already know she has a leg, and only 1 leg
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 == Eyelids? ==
 Is this the first thyme Coach Z has closed or lowered his eyelids? (In modern times) {{User:Mee/sig}}
-:Watch [[your funeral]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
-== Absent characters ==
-Is it worth mentioning that this 'toon is only missing 3 major characters? (Strong Mad, the King of Town, and the Poopsmith) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
-: There are other toons that miss only one or two major characters that we don't explicitly note. In fact, we don't even note every case in which all twelve appear (it's assumed that they do in Halloween episodes, for example, except of course the first which didn't include [[Homsar]]). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
-::I meant, is 9 out of 12 that remarkable a number?  (In unrelated news, the 3 not included just happen to be my 3 least favorites, as noted on my user page.) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
-== Homsar's pants ==
-Should we mention the fact that Homsar mentions his "Easter pants" despite the fact he supposedly wears no pants? I think no, mainly because we can clearly see he has no pants, and that it's Homsar. He almost never means what he says (the almost meaning he hasn't spoken correctly since that one answering machine). {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
-:There's really only a running gag about [[Homestar Runner's Pants]], but not about Homsar's.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
-== Inside References ==
-Regarding edit 486838, DeFender1031 says: that's not how inside references work
-I'm not sure why listing SB's memory as being faulty isn't how an inside reference works. There is a dramatic difference between one flash back and his version of a flashback, which harkens back to several other instances of him changing events in his own memories. This refers back to [[highschool]]. So this could be either a direct reference back to that cartoon, or a running gag about Strong Bad's sketchy memory. Either way, it looks like an inside reference to me, and I thought the way I described it in the edit made this clear.
--192.35.35.35
-: The reason why your edit was reverted was the reference needs to be a specific character, running gag, or incident (such as in [[highschool]], there was the "doodle memory" Easter Egg of events in [[caper]]).  The inaccuracies of Strong Bad's memory, while well documented, are more of a general character trait.  To use another example, the behavior of Homsar's hat would not be an inside reference, because that's part of the character, not a reference to something specific. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
-== To prevent an edit war ==
-If you could explain what the " WHAAAAT??!!?&,:;%${}" is suppose to be reference to, then we can judge whether it should be kept.  Right now, it seems like an obscure or personal joke, which has no place in a Wiki page, much less in a transcript.  The transcript should be an accurate record what is said during the toon.  Adding the extra punctuation might be the norm in a written comic strip, but it is not a grammatical reflection of Strong Sad's line.  (As I noted in my original reversion, Strong Sad's line does have have braces.) {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
-:[[flashback]]. therefore it's a reference, therefore, unless it breaks a specific rule or standard it can stay. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
-::Wbwolf is right; transcripts are supposed to provide an accurate description of the toon. This inside joke does not add anything to the transcript, does not accurately reflect Strong Sad's line, and will confuse anyone who does not know what it is referencing. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::Okay. I just thought it would be cute, and as you can see from my original edit i wasn't even sure then. I agree with you now that i've seen your arguments. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
-==Who sent the email?==
-I believe that when I emailed Strong Bad about the DNA Evidence popping all over the place in the Strong Bad Emails he answered it with an entire toon. Or maybe they just wanted to clear it up. [[User:Baseballfreak530|Baseballfreak530]] 16:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
-:There were probably a lot of people who sent emails like that, as they'd been running that joke for 5 emails by then. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
-::Not only that, but it was probably planned before they even started it. {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 18:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
-:::I disagree.  I think it was Baseballfreak530's email that got the toon made.  We should put a trivia item in the article about this.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
-== Stargate Reference? ==
-It seems to me that Homestar's line: "Previously on Homestarrunner.com" is similar to the beginning of multipart Stargate SG1 episodes. Should this be added?
---[[User:DarkAlex|DarkAlex]] 02:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
-*Stargate is by far the only show that uses the "Previously on..." line. Just about every show does that for multi-part episodes. {{User:Exhibit A/sig}} 02:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
-== Dwah-Dwah or Dry-Dwah? ==
-I swear I hear Homestar say Dwai Dwah (Dry Dwah).  It would make sense that Homestar would spit out the normally sweet Mountain Dew if it has no sugar taste to it.  Though I do get the joke of Dwah Dwah.  I do still hear it as Dry Dwah though (obviously with his lack of Rs). - walker
-:Nope, definitely a [[whatsit|doo]] [[crap|doo]] joke... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
-== underlings doesn't have DNA ==
-The email "underlings" came ''before'' DNA Evidence, but ''after'' rough copy. The email "underlings" didn't mention DNA evidence. Why would they skip an email? --Homestar tiger (HRFWiki)
-:I think any ideas presented would be pure speculation. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
-== Strong Bad's boots ==
-Has anyone noticed that if you stop the frame as it's zooming in on Strong Bad's dirty boots you can clearly see that he still hass boots on?  Is this significant?[[Special:Contributions/69.227.209.165|69.227.209.165]] 23:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
-== Color Flavored Foods ==
-Aren't the snow cones another case of color-flavored foods?
-:[[Color flavored|They sure are]]. {{User:Shine Sprite/sig}} 15:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)