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==What a debate should be like==
==What a debate should be like==
In a debate, unlike an argument or a good old-fasioned yelling-at-each-other, both sides present their arguments clearly, and accept the other side's arguments graciously. There's debunking of arguments, sure, but no "omg how can u think that?? u sux!!" or anything of that sort. Plus both sides must be willing to change their viewpoint - steadfast stubborness is a bad thing to bring to a debate. I would like to thank [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] for this enjoyable debate about a [[Template:STUFF/Commandos in the Classroom#And Knowing Is Half the Battle!|fun fact]] that was in [[STUFF]] at the time.
In a debate, unlike an argument or a good old-fasioned yelling-at-each-other, both sides present their arguments clearly, and accept the other side's arguments graciously. There's debunking of arguments, sure, but no "omg how can u think that?? u sux!!" or anything of that sort. Plus both sides must be willing to change their viewpoint - steadfast stubborness is a bad thing to bring to a debate. I would like to thank [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] for this enjoyable debate about a [[Template:STUFF/Commandos in the Classroom#And Knowing Is Half the Battle!|fun fact]] that was in [[STUFF]] at the time.
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<Dot_com> I really think if it was a "knowing is half the battle" takeoff they would have ended the toon with the Commandos all saying together something like, "and information is the key to the universe"
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  <Phlip> not all the cartoons that had these segments did something like that
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I really think if it was a "knowing is half the battle" takeoff they would have ended the toon with the Commandos all saying together something like, "and information is the key to the universe"
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  <Phlip> remember it's a parody of the whole genre, not just GI Joe
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  <Phlip> though it is mostly GI Joe
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | not all the cartoons that had these segments did something like that
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<Dot_com> there again, we disagree. I think they would have been more blatantly GI Joe if they meant it more than "health class" video
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<Dot_com> *film
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | remember it's a parody of the whole genre, not just GI Joe
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  <Phlip> yeah, I see what you mean
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<Dot_com> to me, it would be like having a robot that looked like a humanoid version of a car and fought in an army against an army of humanoids versions of jets, and then they never transform
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | though it is mostly GI Joe
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<Dot_com> my plurals are messed up in that sentence
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  <Phlip> still, it's characters from a (parody of a) kids cartoon show doing a public service announcement - it's worth mentioning that the kids shows it's parodying did that too
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | there again, we disagree. I think they would have been more blatantly GI Joe if they meant it more than "health class" video
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<Dot_com> so ignore that
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  <Phlip> agreed the content of that PSA is worded more like a health class video
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | *film
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<Dot_com> you can't see me, but I'm making that face you make when you're trying to agree with another person but just aren't quite convinced
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<Dot_com> kinda like, ehhh, with the teeth together and the mouth spread
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | yeah, I see what you mean
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  <Phlip> this is exactly why it took me this long to vote on the fact...
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  <Phlip> maybe it deserves a rewrite - make it less GI Joe-specific, and less definite (add "could be" or something)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | to me, it would be like having a robot that looked like a humanoid version of a car and fought in an army against an army of humanoids versions of jets, and then they never transform
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<Dot_com> I think that would cripple it as far as usefulness. I think the more GI Joe-specific things we find, the better, and the rest is periphery
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  <Phlip> hmm... I guess so
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | my plurals are messed up in that sentence
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<Dot_com> and only about 1 in 500 facts is a good "could be", in my estimation
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<Dot_com> although notice I did not say zero
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | still, it's characters from a (parody of a) kids cartoon show doing a public service announcement - it's worth mentioning that the kids shows it's parodying did that too
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<Dot_com> every now and then, we need a "could be" or a "may be"
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  <Phlip> how about "This episode is similar to the segments that many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would inclde after their show"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | so ignore that
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  <Phlip> removes "based on" and replaces "and now you know" with something more recognisable to people like me who've never actually seen GI Joe
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<Dot_com> see, I don't think it's like those at all
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | agreed the content of that PSA is worded more like a health class video
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<Dot_com> it's not preachy enough
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  <Phlip> true
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | you can't see me, but I'm making that face you make when you're trying to agree with another person but just aren't quite convinced
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  <Phlip> umm
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<Dot_com> and Gunhaver comes across as a coach or (naturally) a drill sergeant
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | kinda like, ehhh, with the teeth together and the mouth spread
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<Dot_com> telling his troops not to get VD or something
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  <Phlip> ok, ditch "similar to"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | this is exactly why it took me this long to vote on the fact...
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<Dot_com> to me, it's got health class written all over it
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<Dot_com> hence, Commandos in the Classroom
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | maybe it deserves a rewrite - make it less GI Joe-specific, and less definite (add "could be" or something)
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<Dot_com> I'm not really trying to change your mind. But I do believe what I used to believe more strongly now, so this hasn't just been idle conversation.
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  <Phlip> I do see your point too
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I think that would cripple it as far as usefulness. I think the more GI Joe-specific things we find, the better, and the rest is periphery
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  <Phlip> I'd forgotten how preachy these segments were
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<Dot_com> especially Captain Planet and his ilk
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | hmm... I guess so
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  <Phlip> (I'd only seen them on Captain Planet myself, but they were very preach tyere)
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  <Phlip> yeah
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and only about 1 in 500 facts is a good "could be", in my estimation
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<Dot_com> heh
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  <Phlip> there*
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | although notice I did not say zero
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  <Phlip> great minds think alike
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  <Phlip> ok, so play down the similarity of content, just of structure...
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | every now and then, we need a "could be" or a "may be"
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  <Phlip> how about "Many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would have segments like this where the characters would tell the children how to behave"
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  <Phlip> or something
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | how about "This episode is similar to the segments that many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would inclde after their show"
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  <Phlip> not happy with the last phrase
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<Dot_com> meh
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | removes "based on" and replaces "and now you know" with something more recognisable to people like me who've never actually seen GI Joe
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<Dot_com> now you're stretching
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<Dot_com> I'm not saying TBC didn't have that in the back of their minds, but I don't believe that's what they were thinking when they wrote it
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | see, I don't think it's like those at all
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  <Phlip> yes, the more I think about it the less it seems like a direct reference...
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  <Phlip> though I still don't know why, if they weren't referencing it, they'd revive the cheat commandos to do it?
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | it's not preachy enough
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<Dot_com> I'm sorry, I don't follow your last post
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  <Phlip> well, the cheat commandos haven't been seen for a while
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | true
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<Dot_com> wait
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<Dot_com> I see what you meant
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | umm
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  <Phlip> if they just wanded PSA material they could have used one of many sets of characters
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  <Phlip> including the main bunch
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and Gunhaver comes across as a coach or (naturally) a drill sergeant
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<Dot_com> true
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  <Phlip> SS and HR making a PSA, SB messing it up for them
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | telling his troops not to get VD or something
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<Dot_com> but
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<Dot_com> they've been exploring other stuff for a while
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | ok, ditch "similar to"
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<Dot_com> (no sbemail in over 6 weeks)
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  <Phlip> this is also true
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | to me, it's got health class written all over it
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<Dot_com> and the Commandos have personalities that fit this well
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<Dot_com> and Reinforcements: "hey guys"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | hence, Commandos in the Classroom
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<Dot_com> that kills me!
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  <Phlip> hehe
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I'm not really trying to change your mind. But I do believe what I used to believe more strongly now, so this hasn't just been idle conversation.
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  <Phlip> oh well, I've gone neutral again
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  <Phlip> I'll mull over it a bit more
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I do see your point too
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<Dot_com> Gunhaver's a good arrogant personality, and Renold is a good wimp, and the other Commandos are good color
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<Dot_com> and the Blue Laser minions and commander are a hoot
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I'd forgotten how preachy these segments were
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  <Phlip> good "generic evil persons"
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<Dot_com> (but I was actually hoping for a CC toon for a while now, so I'm a little biased in that regard)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | especially Captain Planet and his ilk
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  <Phlip> me too
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  <Phlip> love the CC
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | (I'd only seen them on Captain Planet myself, but they were very preach tyere)
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<Dot_com> WE'LL BLOW UP THE OCEAN!!
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  <Phlip> Part of this complete delicions breakfast!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | yeah
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  <Phlip> (gallon of ice cream not pictured)
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<Dot_com> I mean, *how* could they possibly blow up the ocean!!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | heh
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  <Phlip> with a really big microwave ;)
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<Dot_com> oo ah, oo ah
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | there*
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  <Phlip> lol
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<Dot_com> Firebert, you stay here and think of a better commando name
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | great minds think alike
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<Dot_com> and The Cheat is just crushed at this
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<Dot_com> movie night is my favorite night... I think it is my favorite night
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | ok, so play down the similarity of content, just of structure...
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<Dot_com> are you even trying anymore?
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  <Phlip> "fire the new grappling-hook zip-line (cheap as free)"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | how about "Many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would have segments like this where the characters would tell the children how to behave"
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<Dot_com> psst... don't tell the people on the "day shift", but we're using the channel for its intended purpose... to discuss the wiki and H*R
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  <Phlip> O_O shock horror
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | or something
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<Dot_com> *no offense to the Eastern Hemisphere by the "day shift" remark, by the way
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | not happy with the last phrase
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | meh
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | now you're stretching
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I'm not saying TBC didn't have that in the back of their minds, but I don't believe that's what they were thinking when they wrote it
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | yes, the more I think about it the less it seems like a direct reference...
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | though I still don't know why, if they weren't referencing it, they'd revive the cheat commandos to do it?
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I'm sorry, I don't follow your last post
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | well, the cheat commandos haven't been seen for a while
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | wait
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I see what you meant
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | if they just wanded PSA material they could have used one of many sets of characters
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | including the main bunch
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | true
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | SS and HR making a PSA, SB messing it up for them
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | but
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | they've been exploring other stuff for a while
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | (no sbemail in over 6 weeks)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | this is also true
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and the Commandos have personalities that fit this well
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and Reinforcements: "hey guys"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | that kills me!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | hehe
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | oh well, I've gone neutral again
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I'll mull over it a bit more
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | Gunhaver's a good arrogant personality, and Renold is a good wimp, and the other Commandos are good color
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and the Blue Laser minions and commander are a hoot
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | good "generic evil persons"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | (but I was actually hoping for a CC toon for a while now, so I'm a little biased in that regard)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | me too
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | love the CC
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | WE'LL BLOW UP THE OCEAN!!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | Part of this complete delicions breakfast!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | (gallon of ice cream not pictured)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | I mean, *how* could they possibly blow up the ocean!!
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | with a really big microwave ;)
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | oo ah, oo ah
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | lol
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | Firebert, you stay here and think of a better commando name
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | and The Cheat is just crushed at this
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | movie night is my favorite night... I think it is my favorite night
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | are you even trying anymore?
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | "fire the new grappling-hook zip-line (cheap as free)"
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Dot_com> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | psst... don't tell the people on the "day shift", but we're using the channel for its intended purpose... to discuss the wiki and H*R
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| style="text-align: right;" valign="top" | <Phlip> || style="text-align: left" valign="top" | O_O shock horror
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What a debate should be like

In a debate, unlike an argument or a good old-fasioned yelling-at-each-other, both sides present their arguments clearly, and accept the other side's arguments graciously. There's debunking of arguments, sure, but no "omg how can u think that?? u sux!!" or anything of that sort. Plus both sides must be willing to change their viewpoint - steadfast stubborness is a bad thing to bring to a debate. I would like to thank It's dot com for this enjoyable debate about a fun fact that was in STUFF at the time.

<Dot_com> I really think if it was a "knowing is half the battle" takeoff they would have ended the toon with the Commandos all saying together something like, "and information is the key to the universe"
<Phlip> not all the cartoons that had these segments did something like that
<Phlip> remember it's a parody of the whole genre, not just GI Joe
<Phlip> though it is mostly GI Joe
<Dot_com> there again, we disagree. I think they would have been more blatantly GI Joe if they meant it more than "health class" video
<Dot_com> *film
<Phlip> yeah, I see what you mean
<Dot_com> to me, it would be like having a robot that looked like a humanoid version of a car and fought in an army against an army of humanoids versions of jets, and then they never transform
<Dot_com> my plurals are messed up in that sentence
<Phlip> still, it's characters from a (parody of a) kids cartoon show doing a public service announcement - it's worth mentioning that the kids shows it's parodying did that too
<Dot_com> so ignore that
<Phlip> agreed the content of that PSA is worded more like a health class video
<Dot_com> you can't see me, but I'm making that face you make when you're trying to agree with another person but just aren't quite convinced
<Dot_com> kinda like, ehhh, with the teeth together and the mouth spread
<Phlip> this is exactly why it took me this long to vote on the fact...
<Phlip> maybe it deserves a rewrite - make it less GI Joe-specific, and less definite (add "could be" or something)
<Dot_com> I think that would cripple it as far as usefulness. I think the more GI Joe-specific things we find, the better, and the rest is periphery
<Phlip> hmm... I guess so
<Dot_com> and only about 1 in 500 facts is a good "could be", in my estimation
<Dot_com> although notice I did not say zero
<Dot_com> every now and then, we need a "could be" or a "may be"
<Phlip> how about "This episode is similar to the segments that many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would inclde after their show"
<Phlip> removes "based on" and replaces "and now you know" with something more recognisable to people like me who've never actually seen GI Joe
<Dot_com> see, I don't think it's like those at all
<Dot_com> it's not preachy enough
<Phlip> true
<Phlip> umm
<Dot_com> and Gunhaver comes across as a coach or (naturally) a drill sergeant
<Dot_com> telling his troops not to get VD or something
<Phlip> ok, ditch "similar to"
<Dot_com> to me, it's got health class written all over it
<Dot_com> hence, Commandos in the Classroom
<Dot_com> I'm not really trying to change your mind. But I do believe what I used to believe more strongly now, so this hasn't just been idle conversation.
<Phlip> I do see your point too
<Phlip> I'd forgotten how preachy these segments were
<Dot_com> especially Captain Planet and his ilk
<Phlip> (I'd only seen them on Captain Planet myself, but they were very preach tyere)
<Phlip> yeah
<Dot_com> heh
<Phlip> there*
<Phlip> great minds think alike
<Phlip> ok, so play down the similarity of content, just of structure...
<Phlip> how about "Many 90's childrens shows (including GI Joe) would have segments like this where the characters would tell the children how to behave"
<Phlip> or something
<Phlip> not happy with the last phrase
<Dot_com> meh
<Dot_com> now you're stretching
<Dot_com> I'm not saying TBC didn't have that in the back of their minds, but I don't believe that's what they were thinking when they wrote it
<Phlip> yes, the more I think about it the less it seems like a direct reference...
<Phlip> though I still don't know why, if they weren't referencing it, they'd revive the cheat commandos to do it?
<Dot_com> I'm sorry, I don't follow your last post
<Phlip> well, the cheat commandos haven't been seen for a while
<Dot_com> wait
<Dot_com> I see what you meant
<Phlip> if they just wanded PSA material they could have used one of many sets of characters
<Phlip> including the main bunch
<Dot_com> true
<Phlip> SS and HR making a PSA, SB messing it up for them
<Dot_com> but
<Dot_com> they've been exploring other stuff for a while
<Dot_com> (no sbemail in over 6 weeks)
<Phlip> this is also true
<Dot_com> and the Commandos have personalities that fit this well
<Dot_com> and Reinforcements: "hey guys"
<Dot_com> that kills me!
<Phlip> hehe
<Phlip> oh well, I've gone neutral again
<Phlip> I'll mull over it a bit more
<Dot_com> Gunhaver's a good arrogant personality, and Renold is a good wimp, and the other Commandos are good color
<Dot_com> and the Blue Laser minions and commander are a hoot
<Phlip> good "generic evil persons"
<Dot_com> (but I was actually hoping for a CC toon for a while now, so I'm a little biased in that regard)
<Phlip> me too
<Phlip> love the CC
<Dot_com> WE'LL BLOW UP THE OCEAN!!
<Phlip> Part of this complete delicions breakfast!
<Phlip> (gallon of ice cream not pictured)
<Dot_com> I mean, *how* could they possibly blow up the ocean!!
<Phlip> with a really big microwave ;)
<Dot_com> oo ah, oo ah
<Phlip> lol
<Dot_com> Firebert, you stay here and think of a better commando name
<Dot_com> and The Cheat is just crushed at this
<Dot_com> movie night is my favorite night... I think it is my favorite night
<Dot_com> are you even trying anymore?
<Phlip> "fire the new grappling-hook zip-line (cheap as free)"
<Dot_com> psst... don't tell the people on the "day shift", but we're using the channel for its intended purpose... to discuss the wiki and H*R
<Phlip> O_O shock horror
<Dot_com> *no offense to the Eastern Hemisphere by the "day shift" remark, by the way
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