Talk:Pinecones

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Current revision as of 03:17, 24 September 2020

[edit] Pinecone vs Pine Cone

Looking at this edit prompted me to check for the appropriate grammar rule. So far, the only resource I found indicates that both are correct (and only urges for consistent use). Merriam-webster seems to agree with what the article says. That leaves us with the question: which name do we choose? This would influence both the article content and the title of the page, so I think some discussion would be appropriate before renaming the page. --Stux 04:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and say it; I went with the two-word title because "pinecone" turned up a red squiggly line. I figure since pine cones grow on pine trees and pineapples don't, I thought having the word "pine" was consistent enough. During the tidying up edits I just made, I didn't change any instances of "pimecone" based solely on the sign in secret recipes, since it didn't show up written in Mr. Poofers Must Die. The Knights Who Say Ni 04:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I decided the title mostly out of personal preference, as I had seen it spelled that way more often, and it seemed to be how we spelled it most frequently on the wiki. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Although, given that Merriam-Webster spells it as two words, one word turns up a red line, and the whole "pine cone/tree/apple" thing, I think we should keep it as two words. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

We should spell it Pimecones with an "M" - 174.62.238.201 06:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

It seems strange that the first link says that Merriam-Webster has it as one word but the actual Merriam-Webster page is at the two-word variant, yet with "pinecone" as a variant used "more commonly". Though perhaps the first link is using a different printing of the dictionary. I will say that I, too, have seen it spelled more often as one word than as two, though I would be okay with either. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 11:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

The American Heritage Dictionary lists only pinecone and doesn't list the two-word variant. — It's dot com 16:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Google gives 27,100,000 results for "pinecone" and only 10,400,000 for the two-word variant. — Defender1031*Talk 18:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Facetiousness aside, “pimecone” should redirect here . -166.137.252.80 20:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

My two cents: The reason I spelled it as two words in the Mr. Poofers Must Die transcript is the same reason Knights Who Say Ni said: my spellchecker didn't recognize "pinecone". (I nevertheless spelled "pimecone" as one word because that's what Homestar did in secret recipes.) Even secret recipes currently uses both versions on the page. --Jay (Gobble) 21:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

In summary, MW lists pinecone as the more common variant, AHD lists only pinecone, Wiktionary calls pine cone an alternative form, the single-word form outnumbers the two-word form nearly 3 to 1 online, and we have the corresponding H*R single word pimecone. Therefore, this page should be moved to pinecones, and you all need to update your spell-checkers. — It's dot com 02:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow, my opinion has changed twice in less than a day. I agree with Dot com. Move it back to Pinecones. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Want the waters muddied a bit? My paper World Book dictionary lists "pine cone" and doesn't even give "pinecone" as a variant. EDIT: But I also have a paper Miriam-Webster dictionary, which (like the website) lists it as one word. I guess the double word is outvoted, but it's not unanimous. --Jay (Gobble) 06:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

If yours is anything like my paper World Book encyclopedia, it still spells per cent as two words. Get with the times. — It's dot com 06:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Dictionary, not encyclopedia. Though... yeah, it does list "per cent" (and also "percent"). I have a slight preference for two-word "pine cone", but it's slight, and as I said, it's also outvoted. --Jay (Gobble) 07:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I have both. I said encyclopedia over dictionary because that's where the phrase is actually being used as opposed to just being defined. — It's dot com 20:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Can a sysop delete the "Pinecones" redirect so we can move it back? And maybe some of the pages for deletion while you're at it? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 07:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

That redirect needs to be deleted before we can rename the page. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

It still needs to be deleted. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

We can't rename this page to "Pinecones" until the redirect is deleted. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Or I suppose I could just switch the pages, but then the page history would get all mixed up. Is that okay? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc's opinion may have been changed twice in a day, but my opinion never changed. I still believe that the page title should be the two-word version. A cone-shaped sharp object that grows on a pine tree is a pine cone, much like a sweetgum ball. (For what it's worth, both "pine cone" and "pinecone" redirect to "Conifer cone" on Wikipedia.) The Knights Who Say Ni 03:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)